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lautriv:

dekarl, around ?

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Oleg_:

is it really true that the development of mythtv started in 2002?

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Oleg_:

I thought it started earlier than that

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lautriv:

i have the same impression, at least using it over a decade

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stuarta:

good question

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stuarta:

looks like our website states that

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stuarta:

so it must be true ;-)

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Merlin83b:

2002 is a decade and a third ago ;)

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stuarta:

scary eh?

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stuarta:

my earliest authored commit seems to have been Jul 16 2006

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stuarta:

#1925

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1925 **

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stuarta:

that's not one of mine, just being lazy

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lautriv:

when configuring sources, there is --qmake=foo how can i set qt4 or at5 at all ?

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lautriv:

*qt5

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stuarta:

lautriv: it should auto detect, and choose the right one, otherwise you can override it with --qmake=/full/path/to/qmake

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stuarta:

lautriv: for 0.27 use qt4, for master use qt5

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stuarta:

if it doesn't autodetect, that's a bug, trivially fixed

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lautriv:

stuarta, sitting between chairs, master is 0.27.4 and runs on qt4, i'm about to add another slave without sse2 and master wants qt5 strictly.

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lautriv:

that was a bit confuding, the dirst "master" is meant for "master-backend"

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stuarta:

version = 0.27 ?

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lautriv:

master-backend 0.27.4

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stuarta:

that's qt4

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stuarta:

so what output do you get from configure? (pastebin please)

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lautriv:

since there is a problem with machines having sse but not sse2, the new slave will be built from git and that want qt5.

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stuarta:

checkout the branch fixes/0.27

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stuarta:

so after cloning, do git checkout fixes/0.27

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stuarta:

you are trying to build master if it wants qt5, which isn't going to work with your 0.27 backend

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lautriv:

maybe the difference causes the master to spit errors not seen before ?

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stuarta:

they have different DB schemas, so adding a (lets call master 0.28), and 0.28 backend, it'll try to upgrade the DB, and then none of your existing stuff will like it

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lautriv:

even the new slave is off now, i get -> QObject::startTimer: Timers cannot be started from another thread so this is most likely a corrupted DB from that issue

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stuarta:

i get that i my 0.28 frontend from time to time, it's an issue that needs fixing

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lautriv:

mine segfaults the master, maybe i should upgrade the master to 0.28 before adding the new slave

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stuarta:

you have a backtrace?

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lautriv:

it's a fast kick-off, just one line on terminal and it's gone ...... when i mysqlrepair, i get some "tabele doesn't support ..." just a few ones which were probably injected by the new slave.

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lautriv:

ok, i will try the following ... checkout fixes/0.27 on new slave, attach to master, if errors occour build a new DB.

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lautriv:

i hate that channel-setup, takes a whole day :(

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stuarta:

tell me about it, that's what I want to get going in the backend webserver

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stuarta:

so your current master backend is 0.27 or 0.28 ??

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lautriv:

all but the new slave are 0.27.4, issues arrived because the new was build from git.

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lautriv:

the main issue is obv. laggy Qt, each damn question about inserting a channel opens several windows and a new scan results in thousands of channels where i remove 90%. would be a big benefit to have a list with tags ( delete/hold ) and send it for several channels at once.

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stuarta:

yeah, that and the fact that button navigation isn't consistent, sometime you need to hit down, sometimes across to move to where you want

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lautriv:

btw. i run my mythweb from tengine, less bloaty much more responsive.

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stuarta:

so, to rebuild to the following. cd <mythtv_checkout>; make distclean; git checkout fixes/0.27; find . -name Makefile -delete; git reset --hard; `tail -1 config.log`; make` :)

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stuarta:

i use nginx

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lautriv:

you confuse me on deleting Makefile

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stuarta:

i find it keeps references to the wrong qmake version

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stuarta:

so deleting and pulling back the version in the repo, should give you a nice clean build

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lautriv:

it happend exactly what i assumed -> http://pastebin.ca/3036382

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stuarta:

okay that's find. just kick off a configure

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stuarta:

er fine

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stuarta:

`tail -1 config.log` is meant to read your previous configure command line and re-run it

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lautriv:

that would need to pipe it to configure ;)

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stuarta:

there is a difference between ` and '

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stuarta:

`command` runs the result of command in the shell

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stuarta:

'command' just runs command to quote params from the shell

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lautriv:

i know, didn't take that part from here ...

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stuarta:

:)

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lautriv:

waitinf for output of configure ...

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lautriv:

ok, no specific hint for QT, compiles now and i'll see if something fails.

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lautriv:

according to zhe homepage, fices/0.27 _should be 0.27.5 ?

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** lautriv replaces battery in kbd ... **

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stuarta:

lautriv: it's 0.27.5 + youtube api fixes

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stuarta:

technically + anything we've fixed in 0.27

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lautriv:

did not see any --disable-rotten-youtube-spyware

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stuarta:

it's in mythnetvision, which if you don't build it, you don't get

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lautriv:

phew

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stuarta:

and that is a plugin

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stuarta:

which you have to compile separately anyway

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stuarta:

anyway, we don't use any of their code, only their api for finding videos to play

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lautriv:

at the microsecond you enter youtube, your IP is logged in conjunctiuon with the desired content and stored on google

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stuarta:

everything is logged

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** stuarta wanders off in search of food **

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stuarta:

ah sunshine. it is good

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stuarta:

lautriv: how is the build going?

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lautriv:

hm, appears my last line was swallowed by diconnect, lemme repeat ...

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lautriv:

build complete and online, master still confused and segfaulting, slave-backend #1 lost 2 Encoders even it was not changed in any way but DB-content

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 **

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stuarta:

if it's segfaulting, first do ulimit -c unlimited; then run it and it'll drop core which you can debug

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lautriv:

when doing so, i'll start direct with absolute path to have anything on tty

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stuarta:

yup

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stuarta:

i hate segfaults and wish to eradicate them

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sleezio:

is there a way to force myth backend to run the EIT instead of having to wait on it's shceduled time?

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sleezio:

a local station has added a new subchannel, but mythweb listing has it as 'no data'

[15:20:00]

stuarta:

watch live tv on that channel

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sleezio:

i've tried, i haven't seen it update

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sleezio:

and the channel is checked to use onairguide

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sleezio:

nm, backend reboot seemed to fix it

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lautriv:

sleezio, call mythfilldatabase

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stuarta:

that isn't needed with EIT

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lautriv:

stuarta, i found several issues not directly related to mythtv ... funtoo does the BF to edit /etc/hosts on each boot resp. invocation of service hostname. i stopped that but the last upgrade put it back. actually the last issue is that the master won't see slaves encoder. (registered, linked but not shown)

[16:03:53]

stuarta:

kk

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lautriv:

i wonder if i should remove all tuners since the enummeration is a bit flakey.

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lautriv:

stuarta, still around ?

[17:07:45]

lautriv:

stuarta, you may see this later .... got anything in a state that "appears" normal, went to a frontend and chaned some channels and sources, then the master went out with this -> http://pastebin.ca/3036567

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stuarta:

lautriv: did you or abrt (or similar) capture a core file from it?

[19:39:48]

stuarta:

going to need that to debug it

[19:43:14]

ssorbom:

What happened to the "Mythtv://" protocol? I tried to use it with kodi, but kodi claimed it couldn't connect.

[19:44:22]

stuarta:

er, nothing that i know of, it's still there

[19:45:13]

ssorbom:

odd... I suspect the problem is on kodi's end then.

[19:47:50]

ssorbom:

I should elaborate and say that connecting using their most recent kodi-pvr script does work, but I can't connect my music and videos directly through the backend.

[19:48:38]

ssorbom:

...it works for live tv that is.

[19:49:04]

stuarta:

no idea, it's not something i use

[20:32:36]

lautriv:

stuarta, no corefile. however it happend not before the last update and attempt adding another slave-server. I have the impression this is somewhat indirect causing mythtv, will see what i can find.

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at0m|c:

hi, i had 2 cards and added a 3rd tuner. the new card sits at adapter1 instead of 2. can i just edit the Input Connections in mythtv-setup so Video Source ex-frontend1 moves to frontend2? Or how would i solve this?

[20:54:00]

stuarta:

lautriv: do some quick checks an verify you don't accidentally have stuff linked against 2 different qt versions. that way lies pain

[20:54:40]

stuarta:

at0m|c: if it's a different type of card you can set the adapter number on module load

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stuarta:

eg, i have dvb-t x2 and dvb-s2 x2, so the dvb-s2 i made live at cards 5 & 6 (skipped 2,3 & 4 for some reason)

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at0m|c:

stuarta: the 2 old ones are both SAA7146, but DVB-S and DVB-S2 so different PCI numbers. the USB card jumped in between

[20:56:46]

stuarta:

does it use a different frontend module?

[20:57:04]

stuarta:

i have this in a module config file "options dvb-usb-dw2102 adapter_nr=5,6

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at0m|c:

yes, i had to upgrade kernel for this driver so it's a 'new' module, too

[20:58:31]

at0m|c:

ok will look into that, thanks

[20:58:35]

stuarta:

so something like the above should work

[20:59:07]

at0m|c:

ok thanks! :)

[20:59:30]

stuarta:

should be pretty easy to determine, look in dmesg and you'll see the frontend taking up adapter xx, which will give you the module name

[21:00:36]

lautriv:

stuarta, actually rebuilding the master with the sources that i used for the new slave, compiler-output has /something/qt4/something/else so i guess it would do right.

[21:01:16]

stuarta:

lautriv: just make sure you removed all traces of the previous install

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at0m|c:

https://pastee.org/qpjgd has dmesg| grep dvb, the usb has ~4 modules. dvb_usb_dvbsky the one?

[21:06:21]

at0m|c:

usb's the one i'd move to adapter_nr=2

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stuarta:

i don't see something like registering adapter 1 frontend 0

[21:08:33]

stuarta:

the way to prove it, is if the card isn't in use, do "modprobe -r dvb_usb_dvbsky" and adapter 1 should disappear

[21:09:15]

at0m|c:

https://pastee.org/q2cwc has dmesg | grep frontend, but that 'usb' would be the driver... :?

[21:09:43]

stuarta:

modinfo dvb_usb_dvbsky

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at0m|c:

https://pastee.org/jy4t5

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at0m|c:

"description: Driver for DVBSky USB" funny how dmesg|grep fontend returns 'usb'

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stuarta:

if you've removed it, then try `modprobe dvb_usb_dvbsky adapter_nr=5`

[21:11:52]

stuarta:

it = the module

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stuarta:

not the device

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at0m|c:

okay

[21:12:38]

stuarta:

if that works and it turns up on adapter 5, then you'll need to drop a file in the right place on your system to make it automatic

[21:13:46]

at0m|c:

that works, thanks a lot :))

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lautriv:

what traces are you talking about ?

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stuarta:

lautriv: anything installed by `make install`

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stuarta:

at0m|c: you on ubuntu?

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at0m|c:

stuarta: debian stretch

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at0m|c:

had to get kernel from sid for the usb driver

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stuarta:

ok, should have something like /etc/modprobe.d ??

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lautriv:

stuarta, the running one is from ebuild, using different locations for sources, i have to overwrite it ( portage has to assume the package is in place )

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at0m|c:

stuarta: added to /etc/modules

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stuarta:

at0m|c: that'll work. i dropped my config in /etc/modprobe.d/dvb-cards.conf

[21:17:55]

at0m|c:

yes, will do – seems more appropriate

[21:21:52]

stuarta:

well also, distro upgrades can drop /etc/modules, should be a config file, but still can make upgrades more difficult than necessary

[21:22:16]

at0m|c:

right

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at0m|c:

this file won't get touched unless i do

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stuarta:

yup

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lautriv:

most distro-kernels are suboptimal anyway.

[21:24:51]

stuarta:

depends on your perspective. i got bored of rebuilding each kernel patchset about 20 odd years ago

[21:25:11]

stuarta:

now i let somebody else build packages and i just install em

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lautriv:

i hate to have 500 modules not matching the machine, some are even loading.

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at0m|c:

lautriv: freebsd or slackware? not me, tx.

[21:26:38]

stuarta:

lautriv: i used to do all that, decided i had better things to do with my time

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lautriv:

at0m|c, debian since the stoneage but since world-domination-daemon --> funtoo

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at0m|c:

lautriv: let me know when the funtoo works

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lautriv:

stuarta, i admit to be pedantic if it comes to finetuning ;)

[21:28:30]

stuarta:

lautriv: i'd guessed that by the distro you use

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at0m|c:

i'd need to hire staff to get my machines up and running

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lautriv:

at0m|c, funtoo is way better than gentoo, works nice

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lautriv:

... but it appears they have no idea about networking :o)

[21:29:50]

at0m|c:

apt-get dist-upgrading testing since stone-age, i'm happy camper.

[21:30:16]

lautriv:

and now tainted by systend

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at0m|c:

oh only had to face that once, indeed. the other machines were copypasta

[21:30:44]

stuarta:

i seem to use a bit of everything. was debian then ubuntu, plus some fedora and 1 linux mint

[21:30:56]

stuarta:

i like some of systemd

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lautriv:

it's not the idea but the result what i dislike.

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at0m|c:

lautriv: we're long past 640k machines

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at0m|c:

got headroom eh

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at0m|c:

i do end-user machines, not high grade DC's

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stuarta:

some of the bigger machines are awesome, 140+ cpu cores....

[21:32:34]

at0m|c:

but hey we all happy, everybody happy :)

[21:33:02]

lautriv:

at0m|c, there is a big difference between efficiency and waste, if you think it's normal that your browser leaks several GB .... that's a myth.

[21:36:20]

lautriv:

bah, just finnished master-backend and it failed with "cannot open libfftw3_threads.so.3"

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at0m|c:

#funtoo :)

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lautriv:

at0m|c, just dependencies, mythtv is from git. debian and derivates had not even headers in place :P

[21:39:19]

lautriv:

source was complaining about it and i installed it, probably missed some link on continue. so probably my own fault.

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** lautriv forgot to set -j, will take forever :( **

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lautriv:

stuarta, those bigger machines are from what vendor ?

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stuarta:

most of them, but definitely HP

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stuarta:

a standard server grade cpu these days has 12 cores

[21:55:22]

stuarta:

and there are others available with more

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lautriv:

i wonder a bit about the nuber of cores, the maximum for recent NUMA architecture is 128 cores, anything above is using a propietary chain where only Cray Systems developed an ASIC to enhance the HT topology of AMD.

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stuarta:

sigh i go looking and so far only found 80 cores

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stuarta:

and 2TB memory

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stuarta:

too small

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lautriv:

when that thingie is HP and will stay on NUMA ( aka useable without specialiced topology ) it would end on a Proliant 765 populating 8 sockets * 16 cores

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stuarta:

the DL980 G7's are up to 80 cores & 4Tb mem (i said 2Tb above)

[22:09:18]

stuarta:

weighs in at a mere 93kg

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lautriv:

*cough* the 980 would populate intels, worst thing on multicore ....

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stuarta:

on the desktop side, i'm intriuged by the recent amd "desktop cpus" with integrated gpu's, how they perform etc...

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lautriv:

even recent game-boxes are equipped with AMD APU's and they have a good reason.

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stuarta:

even the intel hd gpu's are pretty decent now

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lautriv:

i'd prefer intels graphic but never their CPU :o)

[22:32:46]

stuarta:

hard to get one without the other

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stuarta:

and unless amd make spectacular progress with their graphics drivers being opensource, i ain't touching them

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lautriv:

could use a Athlon or Opteron ( no GPU ) and have your own choice on PCIe.

[22:36:32]

stuarta:

yeah, but then you look at the intel nuc series, not the cheapest things but for their size and power i love them as a frontend. wouldn't mind one as a dev box either

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lautriv:

may mythtv (backend) benefit from preemtion ? i guess the bare streaming won't but tuning a transponder may benefit.

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stuarta:

preemption in what way? the kernel will schedule it out the way if there's other stuff todo

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lautriv:

i'm more about the fine-grained parts, if i have a non-preemptive kernel, it would choose another core to tune the transponder while still streaming something but if someone ( i have family ;) ) likes to zap around like crazy, it may be useful.

[22:46:13]

lautriv:

ok, master rebuilt will zap around myself to see if it crashes .... brb

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** stuarta goes to bed **

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lautriv:

AND ROCK SOLID AGAIN :-)

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