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[15:10:25] maarhart: I cannot get mythweb working... anyone can?
[15:10:36] maarhart: error 404
[15:11:02] stuarta: well that's you basic not found
[15:11:50] maarhart: I get apache
[15:11:58] maarhart: localhost/mythweb gives error 404
[15:12:36] arrrghhh: maarhart, did you install it?
[15:12:39] Dark-Fx: Have you checked your webserver logs?
[15:12:40] arrrghhh: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO#MythWeb
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[15:14:43] ** Dark-Fx runs **
[15:14:59] arrrghhh: lol
[15:15:19] arrrghhh: I was actually looking for something like this, is there a newer package or do I install 0.27?
[15:15:33] maarhart2: it is me from the other computer. actually I get this error http://paste.debian.net/230938
[15:16:53] arrrghhh: Job for apache2.service failed. See "systemctl status apache2.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.
[15:17:04] arrrghhh: looks like apache is not running maarhart
[15:17:07] arrrghhh: or maarhart2
[15:17:21] maarhart: so how to check if it is running arrrghhh? I am checking out https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO#MythWeb
[15:17:33] arrrghhh: maarhart, you need to get apache working first
[15:18:38] maarhart2: but how, arrrghhh?
[15:18:59] arrrghhh: maarhart2, this issue has nothing to do with myth... fix apache first, get the basic apache "It works!" page up
[15:19:10] maarhart2: arrrghhh: I get that page.
[15:19:40] maarhart2: as I said, if I go to localhost I get the apache page. If I go to localhost/mythweb, I get 404
[15:19:54] arrrghhh: did you install mythweb to your webroot/mythweb?
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[15:20:16] arrrghhh: dunno where your webroot is, /var/www/html/mythweb or something
[15:20:24] maarhart2: I don't know... sudo apt-get install mythweb
[15:20:28] arrrghhh: no
[15:20:34] arrrghhh: maarhart2, did you read the page I sent?
[15:20:43] arrrghhh: it doesn't mention sudo apt-get installing anything
[15:20:56] maarhart2: http://paste.debian.net/230939
[15:21:37] arrrghhh: HOWTO-Stop.png NOTE: Make sure that you have a trailing slash on the URL, otherwise you will get a 404 Page not Found error.
[15:22:10] arrrghhh: red stop sign, note in all caps and bold...
[15:22:35] maarhart2: arrrghhh: you mean /mythweb/ ? same error
[15:22:55] arrrghhh: lol
[15:22:57] maarhart2: tried http://192.168.10.38/mythweb/ and http://localhost/mythweb/
[15:23:09] arrrghhh: and 192.168.10.38 by itself works?
[15:23:13] maarhart2: apache
[15:23:15] maarhart2: yes
[15:23:52] arrrghhh: is /var/www/html your webroot?
[15:24:06] maarhart2: I did not however follow those steps yet (actually I have .28)
[15:24:18] arrrghhh: I have .28 as well
[15:24:23] arrrghhh: but those are the steps on the wiki
[15:24:29] maarhart2: is there any easy way to check what is my webroot?
[15:24:50] arrrghhh: check your apache configuration?
[15:25:06] maarhart2: could you be more specific?
[15:26:28] arrrghhh: so when you did apt-get install mythweb
[15:26:30] arrrghhh: it worked fine?
[15:26:31] maarhart2: arrrghhh: what is this apache configuration? is this a file?
[15:26:32] arrrghhh: no errors?
[15:26:42] arrrghhh: maarhart2, you have to realize that mythweb depends on a functional apache
[15:27:04] maarhart2: I think I got that same error it gets when it reconfigures. I could try remove --purge and install again
[15:27:32] maarhart2: arrrghhh: is the it works message meaning that apache is functional?
[15:27:36] arrrghhh: perhaps don't use that package?
[15:27:44] maarhart2: as I told you, I get that apache page
[15:27:49] arrrghhh: that's good
[15:27:56] arrrghhh: but you need to know where your webroot is
[15:28:57] maarhart2: right, so how can I know that? Do I need to find it by myself or you can help me with this?
[15:29:23] arrrghhh: I'm not really feeling like holding your hand through this... I think you can find it yourself :)
[15:29:37] maarhart2: okay... google where are you
[15:29:48] Dark-Fx: I want to re-write the linux kernel from scratch. How do I do this?
[15:29:57] arrrghhh: lol
[15:30:23] stuarta: Dark-Fx: in perl obviously
[15:32:15] maarhart2: arrrghhh: I have no idea, I don't know what is my webroot and google didn't help.
[15:32:36] arrrghhh: maarhart2, I googled apache webroot and the second result was helpful
[15:32:40] maarhart2: please, let's not be so cryptical....
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[15:33:15] maarhart2: if I am in IRC is because I don't want to google :)
[15:33:29] maarhart2: arrrghhh: do you refer to How To Find Apache Document Root – nixCraft ?
[15:33:48] arrrghhh: maarhart2, I don't have time to hold your hand on everything
[15:33:55] arrrghhh: apache has little to do with myth
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[15:35:15] bill6502: maarhart2: re:' actually I have .28', have you tried WebFrontend? No need for Apache, it's served by the BE.
[15:35:36] bill6502: <yourBE>:6544
[15:36:31] arrrghhh: ah nice did not know about this
[15:37:24] maarhart: bill6502: you mean this? http://192.168.10.38:6544/
[15:37:31] bill6502: arrrghhh: it's still in development, but I've gone as far as turning Apache off in /etc/init.d
[15:37:43] maarhart: unable to connect
[15:38:10] bill6502: maarhart: yes, the hostname or IPv4 or IPv6 address of your backend
[15:42:46] bill6502: maarhart: nmap -p 6544 --reason localhost is my tool-of-choice. a good response ends with: 6544/tcp open mythtv syn-ack
[15:43:07] arrrghhh: maarhart, I can tell you it works here
[15:43:15] arrrghhh: make sure the port is open, and running as bill6502 stated
[15:43:35] arrrghhh: This assumes ofc that you have mythtv-backend installed/configured/running
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[15:51:04] maarhart: okay, so apache virtualhost seems to be *:80 127.0.1.1 (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default-mythbuntu.conf:1)
[15:51:48] maarhart: http://paste.debian.net/230953
[15:52:06] maarhart: bill6502: so that is a good response
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[15:54:11] bill6502: yes
[15:55:18] maarhart: bill6502: but still, no luck
[15:55:38] arrrghhh: maarhart, is that port open?
[15:55:47] arrrghhh: can you get it from localhost:6544 on that box?
[15:56:04] maarhart: I get Unable to connect
[15:56:07] maarhart: Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 192.168.10.38:6544.
[15:56:36] maarhart: yes! I can from localhost
[15:56:59] maarhart: and from http://127.0.0.1:6544/
[15:57:10] maarhart: but not from 192.168.10.38:6544
[15:57:11] bill6502: I'd retry: nmap -p 6544 --reason 192.168.10.38
[15:57:46] maarhart: http://paste.debian.net/230956
[15:57:58] stuarta: ah, sounds like you've set your backend ip address to localhost
[15:58:07] arrrghhh: ^^
[15:58:27] maarhart: really. that's odd. It was working yesterday from another computer
[15:58:34] maarhart: the frontend I mean
[15:58:50] arrrghhh: do you have a firewall?
[15:58:57] arrrghhh: like did you need to open ports to get the frontend working
[15:59:39] maarhart: no firewall
[15:59:47] maarhart: arrrghhh: not that I remember
[16:00:14] arrrghhh: check your mythtv config then, make sure you have not assigned localhost to your backend
[16:00:31] maarhart: mythtv-setup you mean?
[16:00:55] arrrghhh: if you prefer
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[16:01:16] maarhart: arrrghhh: what do you meant?
[16:01:23] maarhart: did
[16:01:28] arrrghhh: maarhart, however you want to check the config
[16:01:33] arrrghhh: mythtv-setup is fine
[16:01:42] arrrghhh: it's in 'general' iirc
[16:04:33] maarhart: both local and master backend are 192.168.10.38
[16:05:22] stuarta: what is the output of netstat -tan | grep :6544
[16:07:03] maarhart: stuarta: netstat -tan | grep :6544
[16:07:03] maarhart: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:6544 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
[16:07:42] stuarta: so it's only listening on localhost. since the config check you did before shows it's correct, please restart the mythbackend process
[16:08:39] maarhart: okay, thanks stuarta
[16:08:48] maarhart: sudo killall mythbackend ?
[16:09:04] bill6502: not likely
[16:09:04] stuarta: what distro?
[16:09:06] maarhart: or is there any better thing
[16:09:07] maarhart: ubuntu
[16:09:26] maarhart: ubuntu the latest one
[16:09:38] stuarta: hrm, try service restart mythbackend
[16:09:38] bill6502: sudo stop mythtv-backend
[16:09:47] stuarta: what bill6502 said
[16:09:50] stuarta: i'm guessing
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[16:10:07] maarhart: stop: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
[16:10:08] ** stuarta doesn't use packaged versions **
[16:10:28] maarhart: service restart mythbackend
[16:10:28] maarhart: restart: unrecognized service
[16:10:39] bill6502: what version of Ubuntu?
[16:10:47] arrrghhh: 15.04 I would imagine
[16:10:51] bill6502: 15.04 uses systemd
[16:10:55] arrrghhh: maarhart, for me it's mythtv-backend
[16:11:09] arrrghhh: so sudo service mythtv-backend restart
[16:11:22] stuarta: so systemd is `systemctl restart mythtv-backend`
[16:11:31] stuarta: assuming that's what the service is called
[16:12:11] maarhart: okay, sudo service mythtv-backend restart
[16:12:13] arrrghhh: I'm using mythtv from the mythbuntu repo... not sure what maarhart is using. I'd imagine the packages provided in the Ubuntu repo's
[16:12:25] maarhart: arrrghhh: yes, I think so
[16:12:50] tgm4883: it's recommended to use the mythbuntu repos packages
[16:13:30] stuarta: ah somebody who knows where the startup script is :)
[16:13:34] ** stuarta waves to tgm4883 **
[16:13:35] tgm4883: stuarta: ubuntu has convenience scripts so you can still use the upstart syntax
[16:13:55] tgm4883: for systemd, let me go look it up
[16:14:06] maarhart: okay, now it worked with sudo killall and then sudo mythbackend
[16:14:15] arrrghhh: maarhart, if you use the mythbuntu repo you'll get the latest & greatest
[16:14:17] stuarta: maarhart: so try the netstat again
[16:14:17] tgm4883: it's like /lib/system/init/ or something
[16:14:23] maarhart: mythweb works I mean
[16:14:32] tgm4883: oh god, why would you sudo mythbackend?
[16:14:38] maarhart: from 192.168.10.38
[16:14:51] maarhart: tgm4883: but it works
[16:15:03] tgm4883: for now
[16:15:27] maarhart: now the webfrontend... which password is it asking me?
[16:15:48] bill6502: systemctl status myth followed by the tab character will auto-complete and the output will include the path to the .service file
[16:16:01] maarhart: I get invalid username in mythweb frontend
[16:16:06] tgm4883: stuarta: I believe the location of the startup script is /lib/systemd/system/mythbackend.service
[16:16:35] stuarta: tgm4883: with systemd it's always `systemctl restart <service>` so in this case <service>=mythbackend
[16:16:51] stuarta: that file just defines the service, just like the old /etc/init.d/ files did
[16:17:00] maarhart: A username and password are being requested by http://192.168.10.38:6544. The site says: "MythTV"
[16:17:06] maarhart: what should there be?
[16:19:34] bill6502: I didn't think the password was required for the TV 'button', but for setup: admin/mythtv
[16:19:50] bill6502: *I think*
[16:22:56] maarhart: thanks bill6502, it is that
[16:23:06] maarhart: wow, the new mythweb looks beautiful.
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[16:25:03] maarhart: now another question. How do I get metadata in finnish language?
[16:25:20] bill6502: WebFrontend actually. https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/WebFrontend
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[16:28:36] maarhart: amazing.
[16:29:00] maarhart: what about the metadata question? anybody?
[16:29:42] bill6502: maarhart: do the menu items show up in Finnish (e.g. just the metadata is in English?)
[16:31:15] maarhart: bill6502: no. I want the menu items to be in english and the metadata in finnish
[16:31:26] maarhart: the menu items are in english at the moment
[16:31:32] maarhart: I want to change the metadata only
[16:33:18] stuarta: i *think* it'll look for metadata in the language you set your frontend to
[16:33:28] maarhart: and by the way, how to change this so it is properly done? http://paste.debian.net/230986
[16:33:42] maarhart: I mean with systemctl restart or whatever...
[16:34:19] maarhart: this is inside /etc/pm/sleep.d
[16:34:33] maarhart: and it has been working ok but if there is a better way to do it
[16:36:12] arrrghhh: the package didn't include a script?
[16:37:01] maarhart: no idea
[16:37:15] arrrghhh: lol look
[16:37:29] maarhart: so systemctl stop mythbackend and then systemctl start mythbackend?
[16:38:01] arrrghhh: I'm not familiar with the newest ubuntu, I stick to LTS releases
[16:38:06] bill6502: Yes. Seems odd that it worked. The script is killing/starting the BE outside of the 'old' Upstart and the 'new' systemctl.
[16:38:11] arrrghhh: using the mythbuntu repo's tho I still get the latest packages
[16:39:55] maarhart: bill, please confirm should it be systemctl stop mythbackend and then systemctl start mythbackend?
[16:39:57] bill6502: My 'real' BE is running 14.04 too, but I've got a BE running on my 15.04 office computer (with no tuners) just to test systemd since it's where Debain/*buntu are going.)
[16:41:13] maarhart: and how do I start mythwelcome?
[16:41:19] maarhart: systemctl start mythwelcome?
[16:41:59] bill6502: maarhart: the syntax is correct, however it's possible that the name of the service is different. Type: systemctl status mytht<tab> and auto-complete will tell you the real name.
[16:43:47] maarhart: bill: mythbackend.service mythtv-backend.service mythtv-status.service
[16:43:48] arrrghhh: if there's multiple entries hit tab 2x and it will show you the list of available options :)
[16:43:52] maarhart: those are the options
[16:45:38] beadle: find_orphans.py is broken on my systems. Fedora 22. I anyone else having problems?
[16:45:53] bill6502: systemctl status mythbackend.service mythtv-backend.service mythtv-status.service will tell you the status of the 3 services. It's odd that there are 2 for the backend.
[16:47:03] bill6502: there will be a : Loaded: ........... line in the output that tells you where the .service file actually lives.
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[16:49:14] maarhart: bill6502: okay, but is there anything better than /usr/bin/mythwelcome & ?
[16:49:25] bill6502: the: Active: .... line lets you know if the service is running and the Loaded: ... line tells you if it's even enabled.
[16:50:00] maarhart: okay, it seems I can control it well, did not try to put it to sleep but I will
[16:50:11] maarhart: just tell me about mythwelcome
[16:50:13] bill6502: maarhart: never used mythwelcome, sorry.
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[16:51:56] maarhart: ok, thanks bill6502. what about the mythmetadata question?
[16:52:23] maarhart: it was answered by stuarta. but is there any way to change this behavior?
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[16:54:08] arrrghhh: bill6502, I did have a question about that webui you showed on port 6544... can you use it to schedule recordings? that's mainly what I want, the ability to schedule recordings outside of a mythfrontend like xbmc... I'm trying to do it, but it doesn't seem to save my changes to the recording
[16:55:13] bill6502: maarhart`: I don't know how to change it. I'd expect that whatever language is in the electronic program guide is what is displayed. When you were running the FE, did the guide information show up in Finnish?
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[16:56:23] bill6502: arrrghhh: yes, "works for me"
[16:56:59] arrrghhh: hm
[16:57:22] arrrghhh: it's a pretty interface, but it doesn't work so well... at least it doesn't seem to be reacting properly
[16:58:03] maarhart`: bill6502: yes, guide info is in finnish
[16:58:42] bill6502: I just did a TV->Program Guide->Click on a recording and scheduled a program to record once. It took.
[16:59:49] arrrghhh: bill6502, that worked. but then trying to edit the recording and say "all recordings" or just setting up a fixed recording... not sure how
[17:00:00] arrrghhh: eventually I was able to change one, but it took several tries before it "stuck"
[17:00:20] arrrghhh: I think part of the problem is the EPG I'm using is just the free one provided by the channel itself... which seems to work for my purposes
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[17:04:36] bill6502: maarhart`: I don't think I can help. You're seeing Finnish titles/subtitles etc. in the FE, but in WebFrontend, the same information has been translated to English?
[17:09:02] maarhart`: bill6502: no, in finnish
[17:10:57] arrrghhh: bill6502, so how do I setup a fixed time recording every day?
[17:12:09] arrrghhh: hm. I have one working seemingly, maybe I can just extend it 30 minutes in the lead time so I can get the full hour lol
[17:12:11] bill6502: maarhart`: OK, had to go back and re-read the logs: "I want the menu items to be in english and the metadata in finnish". What is the value of LANG and possible LC_ALL. The locale command should answer that. Mine is: en_US.UTF-8
[17:15:55] bill6502: arrrghhh: I think I'd agree that setting up a fixed recording isn't available. It sounds like you're referring to the old VCR type style like record every Monday at 5PM for 1 hour. At least I don't see the option there.
[17:16:15] arrrghhh: bill6502, yea that's what I want essentially
[17:16:30] arrrghhh: my program guide works spordically, and I know what channel/time I'd like to record everyday
[17:16:53] arrrghhh: sporadically even
[17:17:42] arrrghhh: I have one which I setup on the xbmc front-end, and I just modified it so it starts 30 minutes early.... I think that will fix it
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[17:36:44] maarhart`: bill6502: sorry, how do I get this information?
[17:38:48] bill6502: start with the command: locale
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[17:41:22] bill6502: maarhart`: next, I'd use: grep encoding /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log (or wherever your logs are stored.)
[17:41:46] maarhart: okay, so lang is the same as yours, and LC_ALL is empty
[17:42:43] maarhart: http://paste.debian.net/230998
[17:44:43] maarhart: bill6502: so what should be changed to fi_FI.UTF-8?
[17:45:20] maarhart: bill6502: http://paste.debian.net/230999
[17:51:06] bill6502: maarhart`: The best I can come up with is: LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 (that's what my output of locale is.)
[17:51:55] maarhart`: bill6502: and do you know how I change that?
[17:53:54] bill6502: See what's in /etc/default/locale. I think if you change it there, then a reboot of your BE would be the surest test to prove that it worked. Let me look for a solution in the .service file 1st
[17:57:09] bill6502: Here's where MythTV checks the values: https://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/myth . . . ext.cpp#n246 looks like LC_CTYPE is checked 1st and yours is English
[17:58:17] bill6502: Please pastebin the output of: systemctl status mythbackend.service mythtv-backend.service
[17:59:26] maarhart: http://paste.debian.net/231001
[18:00:20] maarhart: that is inside locale
[18:00:43] maarhart: bill6502: so what should I do?
[18:01:47] bill6502: No LC_ALL or LC_CTYPE, both of which were in the output before. Is the above after a reboot?
[18:08:24] maarhart`: no. but wait, why a reboot?
[18:08:28] maarhart`: what did I change?
[18:08:44] maarhart`: bill6502: I don't get it
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[18:12:40] maarhart`: bill6502: I didn't reboot since I showed you the output before
[18:12:45] maarhart`: if that is what you asked
[18:15:46] bill6502: /etc/default/locale, the LC_ALL line. It was the one that I have in the output of the locale command. My /etc/default/local files have only one line: LANG="en_US.UTF-8". Full disclosure, I'm no expert about this, just showing what I have. Your file is a bit different from mine as it has a mixture of us_ and fi_. Don't reboot yet please.
[18:16:30] bill6502: I didn't see your pastebin of the output of: systemctl status mythbackend.service mythtv-backend.service
[18:17:22] maarhart: sorry
[18:17:24] maarhart: http://paste.debian.net/231017
[18:17:27] bill6502: I'd like to change the environment there 1st.
[18:17:38] maarhart: I am using mythbackend not mythtv-backend
[18:17:48] maarhart: (in my sleep-wake script)
[18:19:02] maarhart: bill6502: so what should I do?
[18:20:23] bill6502: Note that mythtv-backend.service is disabled, so it won't be used at boot time. It also failed. mythbackend.service is the one enabled and will start at boot time and is enabled.
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[18:20:57] maarhart: bill6502: yep, but how is this related with the locale and the metadata?
[18:21:06] bill6502: Do you know why you have 2 .service files?
[18:21:16] maarhart: no idea.
[18:21:32] bill6502: It isn't, but if an environment variable is added, it needs to go into the correct one.
[18:22:35] maarhart: ok I see
[18:22:43] maarhart: bill6502: so what should I do now?
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[18:25:31] maarhart: bill6502: http://paste.debian.net/231029
[18:25:35] maarhart: both seem to work
[18:26:50] bill6502: I suggest stopping the mythbackend.service and editing the file: /etc/systemd/system/mythbackend.service. Add the line: Environment="LC_CTYPE="en_US.UTF-8" "LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8" just before the ExecStart line.
[18:28:12] maarhart: okay
[18:28:23] bill6502: I don't know of any case where you'd want 2 service files with different names. If there were 2 with the same name and one was in /lib and the other in /etc, then the one in /etc would run.
[18:28:38] bill6502: Make sure you stop the mythtv-backend service too.
[18:29:52] maarhart: okay, I am trying now
[18:30:00] maarhart: restarting backend
[18:30:49] bill6502: tgm4883: Isn't: /lib/systemd/system/mythtv-backend.service the .service file that ships with 15.04?
[18:33:12] maarhart: how was the metadata command?
[18:33:34] maarhart: mythmetadata lookup
[18:34:06] maarhart: it's failing
[18:34:51] maarhart: bill6502: http://paste.debian.net/231031
[18:34:59] maarhart: this is from mythmetadatalookup
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[18:35:59] tgm4883: bill6502: it's the service file that ships with our packages
[18:36:49] bill6502: maarhart`: mythmetadatalookup is typically started by the BE and inherits the same environment.
[18:39:29] bill6502: tgm4883: thanks
[18:40:02] maarhart`: bill6502: okay, I don't know what to do. I am restarting
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[19:08:00] bill6502: maarhart`: when you get back up, pastebin this please: systemctl cat --no-pager mythbackend.service; systemctl cat --no-pager mythtv-backend.service
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[19:32:57] bill6502: maarhart`: I'd say you have a serious issue with your .service files. The one in /etc isn't the official version from Mythbuntu and starts the same program as the official one in /lib. Here's how I'd approach solving it? http://pastebin.com/b4uD1a39
[19:34:16] bill6502: The reason for concern is that the one in /etc runs and when the official one in /lib tries to start, it fails and gets disabled. That's OK until Mythbuntu releases a new/improved version of the official .service and your system doesn't use it.
[19:35:57] arrrghhh: bill6502, I don't think he's using the mythbuntu packages tho...
[19:37:52] bill6502: OK, however he does have the .service file in /lib/systemd/system. Which is what Tom just confirmed is the official version. The names of the 2 are also different, mythbackend.service and mythtv-backend.service.
[19:41:03] maarhart`: bill, sorry, I will continue tomorrow. I save these guidelines, thanks :)
[19:41:09] maarhart`: bill6502: time to sleep
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[20:34:12] arrrghhh: so can someone help me understand how to get commerical tagging to work?
[20:34:21] arrrghhh: I tried testing it manually, I don't think it worked properly...
[20:38:23] stuarta: it's quite hit and miss
[20:39:05] stuarta: what works for one location / broadcaster doesn't work as well for another
[20:39:33] stuarta: there is a setting somewhere for commflag method, try playing around with that and see if it helps any
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[21:06:24] arrrghhh: stuarta, I guess I don't understand how it works tho – do I need to setup some job that runs when the recording is finished?
[21:06:42] arrrghhh: I've tried running it manually and it segfaults IIRC but generates the EDL
[21:09:03] stuarta: yes, lookup userjobs
[21:09:33] stuarta: that said it shouldn't coredump except maybe on a really bad recording
[21:09:56] stuarta: well never, but bad recordings are the only thing i've seen blow things up
[21:11:35] arrrghhh: I assume the recording has to be complete as well
[21:12:02] stuarta: default yes, but there is an option to commflag while the recording is in progress
[21:12:09] arrrghhh: ah interesting
[21:12:28] arrrghhh: well I did a bunch of research the other day and it segfaulted... let me go through the steps again and see if maybe I did something wrong
[21:13:57] stuarta: who the hell invented yield in ruby. why oh why would you need such a thing?
[21:15:11] stuarta: it's like swallowing the blue pill, when you reached for the yellow
[21:16:55] stuarta: or templates, without actually implementing them properly
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[21:17:15] arrrghhh: lol can't say I know much about ruby
[21:18:33] stuarta: i decided i needed to know a few basics, so found an online course which i've been working on in the odd spare 5 minutes here and there
[21:19:12] stuarta: i'll be following up with several others, javascript, rails and maybe some of the js frameworks
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