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[00:02:22] | waverz: | I have an Acer Revo 1600. I think it's just a single core 1.6ghz cpu and has 4gigs of ram with a 500gb internal HD. Will this be adequate to run mythbuntu as a backend along with a HDHR? |
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[13:49:16] | lapion: | Anyone else having problems with slow tvguid loading ? |
[13:49:44] | lapion: | When I open the guide and I Page down it takes half a minute to load the data |
[13:50:36] | lapion: | The info-center takes even longer to load ( like between 5 and 15 minutes |
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[16:00:34] | StrvnMrvn: | howdy gang. i'm considering a completely fresh rebuild of the MBE and bring ONLY my recording schedule and recorded shows over |
[16:01:18] | StrvnMrvn: | back in the old days, the official docs had the four tables need to do this, but the latest docs point to a complete database bu/restore which i'd like NOT to do |
[16:02:31] | StrvnMrvn: | with all the changes since .25 (when I was most literate in the ways of the schema), i'm not sure what is needed to accomplish my goal and not break things to much |
[16:04:10] | sphery: | StrvnMrvn: there's absolutely no benefit to doing a "partial" restore, and the end result of doing so--if you reconfigure everything exactly right without making mistakes--is a system which has the same database contents as you'd have after a full restore |
[16:04:35] | sphery: | the down side to a partial restore is that you have to reconfigure /everything/ from scratch |
[16:04:39] | sphery: | and you have to do it righ |
[16:05:28] | sphery: | the only purpose of a partial restore is to fix a broken/corrupt schema (i.e. from messing with the database schema yourself or from running broken/not-accepted patches, which changed the schema) |
[16:05:51] | StrvnMrvn: | not scared of re-doing everything, but i do want to retain my history of recorded shows and the schedules |
[16:05:54] | sphery: | or to erase corrupt data you've gotten from broken unofficial apps or from direct database editing |
[16:06:12] | sphery: | you'll have no benefit whatsoever |
[16:06:17] | sphery: | you should just do a full restore |
[16:07:05] | sphery: | if you prefer a placebo and 8hrs extra work, do a partial restore as described here: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_a . . . _of_a_backup |
[16:07:19] | sphery: | and note that it must be the same version of mythtv--can't be part of a version upgrade |
[16:07:25] | sphery: | https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_a . . . ading_MythTV |
[16:08:32] | sphery: | basically says to either do the partial restore from old version -> old version, then drop database, upgrade, and do a full restore or to do an upgrade, then full restore, then backup, then drop database, create new database, create new schema, and do partial restore |
[16:09:02] | sphery: | oh, and note that the other down side to a partial restore is there are a /lot/ of places where things can be broken |
[16:09:24] | sphery: | it's a complicated process--and, again, has no benefits |
[16:09:40] | StrvnMrvn: | thankyou thankyou thankyou. that was the page i was looking for. i have a few other reasons for doing so... |
[16:09:42] | StrvnMrvn: | leftover debris in the capcard table from the initial config |
[16:09:55] | StrvnMrvn: | moving to new hardware and hostname, etc |
[16:10:01] | sphery: | leftover debris in capture card table should be fixed otherwise |
[16:10:24] | sphery: | mythtv-setup, Capture Cards|Delete all capture cards (not Delete all capture cards on <hostname>) |
[16:10:45] | sphery: | changing hostname requires--whether a partial or a full restore--properly doing so: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_a . . . d_or_backend |
[16:10:47] | StrvnMrvn: | yeah, i'm familar with the Delete All gotchyas |
[16:11:06] | sphery: | then you should be aware that it has all the benefits of a partial restore :) |
[16:11:18] | StrvnMrvn: | thanks a million for the link, was having a brain fart finding it again |
[16:11:32] | sphery: | do Delete all capture cards and Delete all video sources, and you've completely cleared your Input Sources config, as if you'd done a partial restore |
[16:11:40] | sphery: | again, no benefits |
[16:11:54] | sphery: | but if you must waste hours of your time to feel happy, more power to you |
[16:12:13] | sphery: | FWIW, I used to think that a partial restore helped to clean up the database |
[16:12:32] | sphery: | then I learned about the database and DB upgrades and now I realize I was completely wrong |
[16:13:01] | StrvnMrvn: | excellent, thanks for the sage advice. i was thinking just that but it sounds like things have changed so much since i was really familar with the processes... |
[16:13:02] | sphery: | and only my ignorance of how things worked/assumptions made me believe that there was benefit to the partial restore |
[16:13:46] | sphery: | and, in truth, depending on your system, you may actually get database (data) corruption from a partial restore |
[16:13:53] | StrvnMrvn: | i just remember back in the early, early (.14) days where the partial restore saved my ass without a great deal of effort |
[16:13:59] | sphery: | some distros were putting corrupt data into blank databases |
[16:14:13] | sphery: | I'm not sure if it's been fixed, but the maintainers have been notified and were working on a fix |
[16:14:21] | sphery: | (if it's in, I'm not sure what version) |
[16:14:39] | sphery: | Yeah, I started with 0.12, and did partial restores back then |
[16:14:44] | sphery: | things have gotten much better |
[16:15:06] | StrvnMrvn: | FWIW, i've done no manual meddling with the database. i've en ough exp with SQL schema design to know better ;) |
[16:15:22] | sphery: | yeah, most people don't |
[16:16:03] | sphery: | which is why I start out railing against partial restores--and only change tack when I find out there has been corruption of the schema or (non-recording) data |
[16:16:33] | sphery: | but anyway, since you have to have a same-version database for a partial restore, I highly recommend just upgrading |
[16:16:37] | sphery: | do a full restore |
[16:17:10] | sphery: | change hostname (before running any mythtv application--which means keep your system scripts/package manager from starting one after your full restore) |
[16:17:26] | sphery: | then Delete all capture cards and Delete all video sources (if desired) |
[16:17:28] | StrvnMrvn: | wel, i did take the leap about a week ago to 0.28 (mythbuntu-trusty-unstable repo via the Control Center) |
[16:17:30] | sphery: | and reconfigure the recording |
[16:17:41] | sphery: | and if you find problems, you can then do a backup and partial restore |
[16:18:02] | StrvnMrvn: | i do have a solid BU of the 0.27 if all goes tits up |
[16:18:17] | sphery: | (and then try to actually fix the problems that are likely to still be there because they weren't due to the database :) |
[16:18:27] | sphery: | yeah, that's always good |
[16:18:37] | sphery: | I keep several backups around just in case |
[16:18:43] | StrvnMrvn: | same |
[16:18:53] | sphery: | anyway, good luck with the update |
[16:18:56] | sphery: | have to get some work done |
[16:19:15] | StrvnMrvn: | ty again |
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[18:56:20] | Builder_: | My cable provider has moved to digital cable and now requires at minimum these little PACE adapter boxes. What would it take to watch that on a PC/across a network? Is there a device that can simply receive the hopefully decrypted channel 3 output(I assume it's unprotected as a 30 yr/o TV can watch it) of the PACE and use an IR blaster to change channels? Most of what I'm reading about are direct tuners. |
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[20:01:04] | Shadow__X: | i love it when people leave before they get their answer |
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[21:11:10] | tgm4883: | Shadow__X: to be fair, he did wait like 30 whole seconds /s |
[21:11:33] | Shadow__X: | yeah, what was i thinking ofr paid support |
[21:11:38] | Shadow__X: | he needs an immediate answer |
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[21:57:38] | StrvnMrvn: | +sphery: new machine is in place, fully functioning but I'm probably facing a partial restore due to sins of the past. i had screwed with unique identifiers for frontends way too many times without realizing the impact that would have on the database (and backend settings) as a whole |
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