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Thursday, March 26th, 2015, 00:02 UTC
[00:02:22] waverz: I have an Acer Revo 1600. I think it's just a single core 1.6ghz cpu and has 4gigs of ram with a 500gb internal HD. Will this be adequate to run mythbuntu as a backend along with a HDHR?
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[13:49:16] lapion: Anyone else having problems with slow tvguid loading ?
[13:49:44] lapion: When I open the guide and I Page down it takes half a minute to load the data
[13:50:36] lapion: The info-center takes even longer to load ( like between 5 and 15 minutes
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[16:00:34] StrvnMrvn: howdy gang. i'm considering a completely fresh rebuild of the MBE and bring ONLY my recording schedule and recorded shows over
[16:01:18] StrvnMrvn: back in the old days, the official docs had the four tables need to do this, but the latest docs point to a complete database bu/restore which i'd like NOT to do
[16:02:31] StrvnMrvn: with all the changes since .25 (when I was most literate in the ways of the schema), i'm not sure what is needed to accomplish my goal and not break things to much
[16:04:10] sphery: StrvnMrvn: there's absolutely no benefit to doing a "partial" restore, and the end result of doing so--if you reconfigure everything exactly right without making mistakes--is a system which has the same database contents as you'd have after a full restore
[16:04:35] sphery: the down side to a partial restore is that you have to reconfigure /everything/ from scratch
[16:04:39] sphery: and you have to do it righ
[16:05:28] sphery: the only purpose of a partial restore is to fix a broken/corrupt schema (i.e. from messing with the database schema yourself or from running broken/not-accepted patches, which changed the schema)
[16:05:51] StrvnMrvn: not scared of re-doing everything, but i do want to retain my history of recorded shows and the schedules
[16:05:54] sphery: or to erase corrupt data you've gotten from broken unofficial apps or from direct database editing
[16:06:12] sphery: you'll have no benefit whatsoever
[16:06:17] sphery: you should just do a full restore
[16:07:05] sphery: if you prefer a placebo and 8hrs extra work, do a partial restore as described here: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_a . . . _of_a_backup
[16:07:19] sphery: and note that it must be the same version of mythtv--can't be part of a version upgrade
[16:07:25] sphery: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_a . . . ading_MythTV
[16:08:32] sphery: basically says to either do the partial restore from old version -> old version, then drop database, upgrade, and do a full restore or to do an upgrade, then full restore, then backup, then drop database, create new database, create new schema, and do partial restore
[16:09:02] sphery: oh, and note that the other down side to a partial restore is there are a /lot/ of places where things can be broken
[16:09:24] sphery: it's a complicated process--and, again, has no benefits
[16:09:40] StrvnMrvn: thankyou thankyou thankyou. that was the page i was looking for. i have a few other reasons for doing so...
[16:09:42] StrvnMrvn: leftover debris in the capcard table from the initial config
[16:09:55] StrvnMrvn: moving to new hardware and hostname, etc
[16:10:01] sphery: leftover debris in capture card table should be fixed otherwise
[16:10:24] sphery: mythtv-setup, Capture Cards|Delete all capture cards (not Delete all capture cards on <hostname>)
[16:10:45] sphery: changing hostname requires--whether a partial or a full restore--properly doing so: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_a . . . d_or_backend
[16:10:47] StrvnMrvn: yeah, i'm familar with the Delete All gotchyas
[16:11:06] sphery: then you should be aware that it has all the benefits of a partial restore :)
[16:11:18] StrvnMrvn: thanks a million for the link, was having a brain fart finding it again
[16:11:32] sphery: do Delete all capture cards and Delete all video sources, and you've completely cleared your Input Sources config, as if you'd done a partial restore
[16:11:40] sphery: again, no benefits
[16:11:54] sphery: but if you must waste hours of your time to feel happy, more power to you
[16:12:13] sphery: FWIW, I used to think that a partial restore helped to clean up the database
[16:12:32] sphery: then I learned about the database and DB upgrades and now I realize I was completely wrong
[16:13:01] StrvnMrvn: excellent, thanks for the sage advice. i was thinking just that but it sounds like things have changed so much since i was really familar with the processes...
[16:13:02] sphery: and only my ignorance of how things worked/assumptions made me believe that there was benefit to the partial restore
[16:13:46] sphery: and, in truth, depending on your system, you may actually get database (data) corruption from a partial restore
[16:13:53] StrvnMrvn: i just remember back in the early, early (.14) days where the partial restore saved my ass without a great deal of effort
[16:13:59] sphery: some distros were putting corrupt data into blank databases
[16:14:13] sphery: I'm not sure if it's been fixed, but the maintainers have been notified and were working on a fix
[16:14:21] sphery: (if it's in, I'm not sure what version)
[16:14:39] sphery: Yeah, I started with 0.12, and did partial restores back then
[16:14:44] sphery: things have gotten much better
[16:15:06] StrvnMrvn: FWIW, i've done no manual meddling with the database. i've en ough exp with SQL schema design to know better ;)
[16:15:22] sphery: yeah, most people don't
[16:16:03] sphery: which is why I start out railing against partial restores--and only change tack when I find out there has been corruption of the schema or (non-recording) data
[16:16:33] sphery: but anyway, since you have to have a same-version database for a partial restore, I highly recommend just upgrading
[16:16:37] sphery: do a full restore
[16:17:10] sphery: change hostname (before running any mythtv application--which means keep your system scripts/package manager from starting one after your full restore)
[16:17:26] sphery: then Delete all capture cards and Delete all video sources (if desired)
[16:17:28] StrvnMrvn: wel, i did take the leap about a week ago to 0.28 (mythbuntu-trusty-unstable repo via the Control Center)
[16:17:30] sphery: and reconfigure the recording
[16:17:41] sphery: and if you find problems, you can then do a backup and partial restore
[16:18:02] StrvnMrvn: i do have a solid BU of the 0.27 if all goes tits up
[16:18:17] sphery: (and then try to actually fix the problems that are likely to still be there because they weren't due to the database :)
[16:18:27] sphery: yeah, that's always good
[16:18:37] sphery: I keep several backups around just in case
[16:18:43] StrvnMrvn: same
[16:18:53] sphery: anyway, good luck with the update
[16:18:56] sphery: have to get some work done
[16:19:15] StrvnMrvn: ty again
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[18:56:20] Builder_: My cable provider has moved to digital cable and now requires at minimum these little PACE adapter boxes. What would it take to watch that on a PC/across a network? Is there a device that can simply receive the hopefully decrypted channel 3 output(I assume it's unprotected as a 30 yr/o TV can watch it) of the PACE and use an IR blaster to change channels? Most of what I'm reading about are direct tuners.
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[20:01:04] Shadow__X: i love it when people leave before they get their answer
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[21:11:10] tgm4883: Shadow__X: to be fair, he did wait like 30 whole seconds /s
[21:11:33] Shadow__X: yeah, what was i thinking ofr paid support
[21:11:38] Shadow__X: he needs an immediate answer
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[21:57:38] StrvnMrvn: +sphery: new machine is in place, fully functioning but I'm probably facing a partial restore due to sins of the past. i had screwed with unique identifiers for frontends way too many times without realizing the impact that would have on the database (and backend settings) as a whole
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