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| [00:57:35] | StevenR_: | hi. Where does the frontend store its settings please? (gui offset, etc) |
| [00:58:08] | [R]: | in the databse |
| [00:58:13] | [R]: | where all the settings are |
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| [01:29:21] | StevenR_: | [R]: oh. that's harder then.... I'm trying to modify the screen settings, but the settings wizard never shows me anything...just the background image |
| [01:55:44] | StevenR_: | [R]: turns out to be a bug in the mythbuntu theme. Terra theme works just fine for adjusting the screen settins. Thanks. |
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| [02:42:20] | Trel: | ctmjr: sorry for the delay I had to run out. I have ways of stripping HDCP. If that's the only reason a HDMI capture card wouldn't work, I should be fine. |
| [02:42:40] | [R]: | you have a way of doing illegal things? nice |
| [02:42:45] | [R]: | illegal things arne't discussed here |
| [02:44:48] | Trel: | It's not illegal. It's a simple HDMI splitter, a sub $20 one you can buy freely on amazon. |
| [02:44:54] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:44:58] | Trel: | It just happens to strip HDCP |
| [02:45:16] | Trel: | my question was purely on if HDCP was the only reason HDMI capture cards are listed as not working |
| [02:45:24] | Trel: | because that's not an issue in my case |
| [02:46:04] | [R]: | [03:13:56] <[R]> what device can capture hdmi that has a linux driver? |
| [02:46:05] | [R]: | [03:14:26] <justinh> oh yeah there's that too |
| [02:48:05] | Trel: | [R]: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/int . . . ecs/W-INT-01 |
| [02:48:33] | [R]: | ok i'll rephrase |
| [02:48:46] | [R]: | what device can capture hdmi that has a linux driver that uses the same standard mythtv uses |
| [02:49:15] | Trel: | See this is what I don't know which is why I'm asking. |
| [02:49:45] | [R]: | and youv'e been told many times in many differnet way |
| [02:49:46] | [R]: | no |
| [02:51:31] | Trel: | It's not actually telling me no, if it's qualified and the qualifications didn't apply (such as the HDCP thing) so in that case, what about using a HDMI to component converter and a different capture card, is that an option? |
| [02:51:55] | [R]: | well you can use hdpvr to capture component |
| [02:52:28] | Trel: | So then would putting something like this between my cable box and a mythtv box work: http://www.amazon.com/E-More%C2%AE-Component- . . . p/B00J22LGYG |
| [02:52:53] | [R]: | no clue |
| [02:53:05] | Trel: | What's the typical setup for recording from a cable box for live tv? |
| [02:53:11] | [R]: | stripping hdcp is illegal |
| [02:55:53] | Trel: | So what exactly would mythtv be used to record in the first place? |
| [02:56:06] | [R]: | what? |
| [02:56:20] | Trel: | [ 09:52:53 ] [ Trel ] What's the typical setup for recording from a cable box for live tv? |
| [02:56:20] | Trel: | [ 09:52:59 ] [ [R] ] stripping hdcp is illegal |
| [02:56:29] | [R]: | ? |
| [02:56:48] | Trel: | So if I can't record live tv, what exactly am I supposed to record with something like mythtv |
| [02:56:54] | ctmjr: | Trel: hd-pvr with component out is about the only way (sometimes firewire will work) and yes stripping hdcp is illegal. |
| [02:57:09] | [R]: | most peopel use ATSC or QAM tuners in the US |
| [02:57:58] | Trel: | Aren't those analog? |
| [02:58:10] | Trel: | or at least for non-digital cable? |
| [02:58:42] | [R]: | of course not |
| [02:58:45] | [R]: | those are both digital |
| [02:58:49] | Trel: | Because I know comcast for example, you need a set top box, no matter what, even for basic cable |
| [02:58:58] | [R]: | thats QAM |
| [02:59:50] | Trel: | "Beginning in 2013, Comcast (the largest cable company in the United States), began encrypting all channels in certain regions, including all local / basic tier channels. It's believed that in the coming years other cable providers will eventually encrypt all of their channels. Originally, The Federal Communications Commission required cable providers not to encrypt basic tier or local channels, however, the FCC reversed its decision |
| [02:59:50] | Trel: | under pressure from Comcast and other providers." |
| [03:00:33] | [R]: | ok... and? |
| [03:00:34] | Trel: | I'm confused about that bit, doesn't that mean the tuner wouldn't matter in this case? |
| [03:00:40] | [R]: | "matter"? |
| [03:00:41] | Trel: | Because it would still be encrypted |
| [03:02:12] | Trel: | Ok, let me start over in this case, assuming Comcast Cable, what hardware setup would I need in order to record live tv using mythtv? |
| [03:02:34] | [R]: | a cablecard tuner |
| [03:02:40] | KwishMac: | hdhomerun prime |
| [03:03:05] | Trel: | [R] usiing a cable card tuner, what would I be connecting to it and via what method? |
| [03:03:28] | [R]: | the cable from comcast |
| [03:03:33] | [R]: | by twisting it until it is secure |
| [03:04:02] | Trel: | The cable from comcast requires their set top box to watch..... |
| [03:04:20] | [R]: | no... |
| [03:04:23] | KwishMac: | http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/prime/ |
| [03:04:31] | [R]: | it requires a QAM tuner with a cable card |
| [03:04:35] | [R]: | which is what theri set top box is |
| [03:05:01] | KwishMac: | you rent a cable card, can't remember the format, m something |
| [03:05:05] | Trel: | [R] You have to register the cablebox to your account before it will get more than 2 channels which tell you to activate it. |
| [03:05:14] | Trel: | Which they provide |
| [03:05:18] | [R]: | Trel: ok... and? |
| [03:05:21] | [R]: | FFS seriously |
| [03:05:24] | [R]: | why the HELL are you here |
| [03:05:30] | [R]: | if you are just going to ignore EVERYTHIGN peopl say |
| [03:06:34] | Trel: | I just signed up for comcast two months ago, I have a brand new digital HD TV, plugging the cable directly into my TV did NOT get me channels, I was required to use their set top box. Something is obviously off or we're misunderstanding each other. |
| [03:07:27] | Trel: | I'm not ignoring what you're saying, I'm saying that if I plug the wire coming into my house directly in to a tuner card, I will get two channels, a comcast info channel, and one showing a scrolling listing of TV shows. |
| [03:07:45] | Trel: | Something may have chanced from when the info you're giving was current. |
| [03:07:48] | Trel: | *changed |
| [03:08:50] | Trel: | Hell, I just googled mythtv and comcast, and the mythtv wiki is saying you're wrong, so I'm not just misunderstanding you here http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [03:08:52] | KwishMac: | the hdhrprime & the cable card (provided from comcast) allow you to view and record the non drm content |
| [03:09:15] | KwishMac: | i am using mythtv with comcast |
| [03:09:53] | [R]: | it mostly certain does not say im wrong |
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| [03:10:43] | Trel: | KwishMac: that's what I'm seeing |
| [03:11:04] | Trel: | [R]: it says I need a cable card, and a cable box that supports component video out |
| [03:11:12] | Trel: | that's far different than pluggin in a wire to a capture card... |
| [03:11:15] | Trel: | *tuner card |
| [03:11:17] | [R]: | it most certainly does not say that |
| [03:11:22] | [R]: | its cablecard OR compoennt |
| [03:11:41] | Trel: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable#HD_component "The bottom line: Necessary equipment and services" |
| [03:11:53] | [R]: | yes, because you are reading hte compoentn section |
| [03:11:56] | [R]: | now read the cablecard section |
| [03:12:30] | Trel: | "and will allow encrypted channels to be decrypted and recorded by MythTV." |
| [03:12:35] | Trel: | and what I linked earlier "Beginning in 2013, Comcast (the largest cable company in the United States), began encrypting all channels in certain regions, including all local / basic tier channels." |
| [03:12:40] | ** [R] gives up ** | |
| [03:13:55] | Trel: | You're saying to read a section saying it will work, it says it only works with unencrypted channels, but comcast encrypts ALL channels, so what channels will it be working with then? |
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| [03:14:06] | Trel: | I'm clearly missing something. |
| [03:14:14] | tgm4883: | StevenR_: what version of Mythbuntu theme |
| [03:14:27] | [R]: | yes |
| [03:14:29] | [R]: | your reading skills |
| [03:14:47] | [R]: | cuz NO WHERE does it say ANY"THING abotu unencrypted |
| [03:14:48] | [R]: | infact |
| [03:14:49] | [R]: | it clearly says |
| [03:14:56] | [R]: | and will allow encrypted channels to be decrypted |
| [03:14:58] | [R]: | \like i said |
| [03:14:59] | [R]: | IM OUT |
| [03:15:57] | tgm4883: | Trel: cable cards decrypt channels |
| [03:17:20] | Trel: | I think that's the part I was missing. |
| [03:19:36] | KwishMac: | only issue with comcast and linux is the premium & ondemand stuff is not available |
| [03:33:37] | Trel: | HD is fine though? |
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| [03:35:43] | KwishMac: | yes |
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| [04:04:48] | Trel: | Kwisher: thanks, I'll look into those. |
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| [04:36:33] | R_Neville: | hello |
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| [05:50:41] | Scintillo: | Hi, I am trying to set up live tv with mythtv |
| [05:51:04] | Scintillo: | When I try to watch tv using the mythtv frontend it says all turners are busy |
| [05:52:16] | Scintillo: | I am trying to find some kind of logs but I have failed so far |
| [05:52:36] | Scintillo: | I found folder /var/log/mythtv/ but it's empty |
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| [06:11:00] | Scintillo: | Ok, it seems that I don't have directory under /dev/dvb |
| [06:11:12] | Scintillo: | Put I can see my tuner on lsusb |
| [06:13:10] | Scintillo: | Ok, problem solver by rebooting |
| [06:28:05] | Scintillo: | And now it for some reason says it cannot open the tuner |
| [06:28:14] | Scintillo: | Seriously, why can't software just work |
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| [11:44:34] | Roklobsta: | Scintillo: welcome to the wonderful world of DVB-T and linux. |
| [11:45:01] | Roklobsta: | i have been doing battle with it for 6 years. We have come to a kind of truce now and things mostly work. |
| [11:45:37] | Roklobsta: | once it's working, whatever you do uninstall the yum and apt utilities so nothing can ever change. |
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| [19:34:17] | mengo: | lol |
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| [21:02:49] | mengo: | any mythweb users about? I'm getting an unexpected error |
| [21:02:57] | mengo: | Fatal Error |
| [21:02:57] | mengo: | !!NoTrans: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) [#1045] |
| [21:03:18] | mengo: | I cant help its something obvious (again) but some help would be nice :) |
| [21:03:32] | [R]: | sounds like the username and/or password is wrong |
| [21:04:20] | mengo: | sure, but I'm unsure where to check, maybe I'm taking on too much, debian and mythtv 0.27 |
| [21:06:15] | [R]: | the username/password is in the apache config for mythweb |
| [21:06:49] | mengo: | I think I tried searching in there for the word password to check but no joy, let me recheck |
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| [21:07:12] | [R]: | don't search |
| [21:07:12] | [R]: | read |
| [21:07:58] | mengo: | but I'm lazy, but diagnosing, sure, I should read more ... |
| [21:08:28] | mengo: | ah yes, there are 2 config files ... trying the mythweb-mysql.conf one first |
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| [21:09:54] | mengo: | lol, I must of tried the other file earlier, this one has less lines and an 'incorrect' password |
| [21:10:28] | mengo: | so I have a new error about the masterserverip I'll look into it and report back if I get lazy / stuck again |
| [21:10:55] | R_Neville: | open & print the file ~/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [21:15:13] | mengo: | cat ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [21:16:01] | mengo: | matches /etc/apache2/conf-available/mythweb-mysql.conf but if I put the server ip in mythtvsetup I get a webpage but not the right one |
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| [21:21:03] | R_Neville: | sorry< I really don"t know much more about mythtv- I'm a newbie |
| [21:21:23] | mengo: | no worries |
| [21:22:09] | mengo: | I have an older version of mythtv and mythweb running on a scientificlinux box but its time for an upgrade |
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| [22:37:30] | mengo: | well, I'm giving up for now, to be continued, tomorrow |
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