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| [02:07:03] | hauxneo: | Hi all. |
| [02:07:21] | hauxneo: | is it possible to install mythfrontend only not the backend from source ? |
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| [02:20:48] | clever: | why do that? |
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| [02:46:46] | hauxneo: | I have a dedictaed backend at home and want to install just the frontend on my laptop to not take a lot of disk space |
| [02:46:55] | hauxneo: | since the laptop will be never a backend |
| [02:47:24] | hauxneo: | May be it's impossible. no thing found on google. just how to install FE using RPM/DEB |
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| [02:47:34] | hauxneo: | but I want to have the lastest versin from source |
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| [03:14:16] | tgm4883: | hauxneo: what OS? |
| [03:14:53] | hauxneo: | mint 17 |
| [03:14:56] | hauxneo: | 64bits |
| [03:16:04] | tgm4883: | hauxneo: ok, well you could build from source if you really want, but there isn't really a need to unless you want to get into developing |
| [03:16:12] | tgm4883: | hauxneo: latest stable or trunk? |
| [03:18:19] | hauxneo: | latest stable |
| [03:18:45] | tgm4883: | ok, so if you want to compile from source you can use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO_-_0.2 . . . nd_compiling |
| [03:18:46] | hauxneo: | I have 0.27.0.3 build from source as backend+frontend on powerfull machine |
| [03:18:53] | hauxneo: | I know that |
| [03:19:06] | hauxneo: | but How to compile just the frontend |
| [03:19:11] | tgm4883: | but if you aren't going to develop, then why not just use the packages built by the mythbuntu team? |
| [03:19:16] | hauxneo: | ./configure --frontend |
| [03:19:20] | hauxneo: | doesn't exist |
| [03:19:26] | tgm4883: | what doesn't exist? |
| [03:19:37] | hauxneo: | not sure I can get the latest stable by aptitude |
| [03:19:59] | tgm4883: | trusty packages should surely work on mint 17 right? |
| [03:20:42] | hauxneo: | sorry but what you mean by trusty ? |
| [03:21:02] | tgm4883: | trusty is the ubuntu version that mint 17 is built on |
| [03:22:22] | hauxneo: | ok |
| [03:22:32] | hauxneo: | aptitude install mythtv-frontend: |
| [03:22:40] | hauxneo: | I get this: Version: 2:0.27.0+fixes.20130919.5b917e8–0ubuntu1 |
| [03:22:52] | hauxneo: | not 0.27.0.3 |
| [03:23:01] | hauxneo: | as the one I am running as backend |
| [03:23:14] | tgm4883: | ok first, it's just 0.27.3 |
| [03:23:55] | hauxneo: | not the same version. This is why I'm trying to find a way to get the exact same FE version in my laptop |
| [03:24:31] | tgm4883: | Secondly, you need to enable the MythTV updates repo provided by the mythbuntu team in order to get a more up to date version that 0.27.0 |
| [03:24:50] | tgm4883: | hauxneo: AFAIK, there isn't a 0.27.0.3 version. MythTV versions don't go out that many numbers |
| [03:25:23] | hauxneo: | yes .27.3 just a type |
| [03:25:42] | hauxneo: | typo |
| [03:26:34] | tgm4883: | The mythbuntu repos provide 2:0.27.3+fixes.20141013.b97ea66–0ubuntu0mythbuntu2 for trusty |
| [03:28:13] | hauxneo: | ok |
| [03:29:06] | hauxneo: | May be that has changed but I have an awful experience with mythtv ready distro in the past this is way it has been straightforward for me to build from source |
| [03:29:47] | hauxneo: | didn't change anything since two years ! |
| [03:30:16] | hauxneo: | started a new backend yesterday with .27.3 (the old one is .27.0) |
| [03:30:40] | tgm4883: | hauxneo: if you are here asking how to build just the frontend, then I guess it isn't so straight forward ;) |
| [03:30:57] | hauxneo: | beleive me that two years ago (I know it's a long time) mythbunto and similar product were terrible |
| [03:31:15] | hauxneo: | guess so |
| [03:31:16] | tgm4883: | hauxneo: and I'm not asking you to run a mythtv ready distro (which did you try by the way?), I'm saying you can install pre-built packages on the distro of your choice |
| [03:31:18] | hauxneo: | :-) |
| [03:31:30] | tgm4883: | hauxneo: I doubt that |
| [03:31:36] | tgm4883: | but I'm biased |
| [03:31:46] | hauxneo: | I am not developer just a hobbyist :-) |
| [03:32:16] | hauxneo: | just to make the mceusb work with both remote and the blaster took me weeks ! |
| [03:32:17] | tgm4883: | hauxneo: unless you back up your claims with some documentation somewhere or some bug reports, I'm going to chalk it up to user error |
| [03:32:36] | tgm4883: | but that is all beside the point and in the past |
| [03:34:29] | hauxneo: | Ok cool to know that the wolrd has changed so much since two years !!! |
| [03:34:31] | hauxneo: | :-) |
| [03:35:17] | hauxneo: | Mythbuntu 14.04.1 Released |
| [03:35:17] | hauxneo: | posted Aug 6, 2014, 7:30 AM by Thomas Mashos [ updated Aug 22, 2014, 9:13 PM ] |
| [03:35:19] | hauxneo: | !!! |
| [03:35:29] | hauxneo: | awesome |
| [03:35:30] | tgm4883: | I hear that guy is pretty wise |
| [03:35:34] | hauxneo: | thx tgm4883 |
| [03:36:23] | hauxneo: | out of caves !!! |
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| [06:10:24] | henkpoley: | Hi, my OS X frontend opens with a plain background. As I understand it, this is the initial (2 screen) configuration screen. How do I get past that, when you can't see what you are doing ? |
| [06:10:36] | henkpoley: | ~/.mythtv/config.xml looks correct |
| [06:16:17] | henkpoley: | "PPC and 32 bit Intel support has been dropped in 0.26 and later." Ah.. I guess Core Duo related bugs are out |
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| [06:35:01] | [R]: | satrt it on the command line |
| [06:35:03] | [R]: | and look at the output |
| [06:36:57] | henkpoley: | Ah, the macports version is 20140528 (not more recent) anyways |
| [06:40:42] | henkpoley: | [R]: apart from this, not anything special: OpenGL: GL_EXT_vertex_array extension not supported. This may not work |
| [06:41:32] | henkpoley: | It's also looping at "starting mythlogserver", but I guess it ought to be able to run without logs |
| [06:43:25] | henkpoley: | Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1317 / Not allowed to upgrade the database. |
| [06:44:13] | [R]: | is there a mismatch between your backend and frontend versions? |
| [06:44:49] | henkpoley: | On the Ubuntu machine both back and frontend are v0.27.3-185-gb97ea66 |
| [06:45:21] | henkpoley: | Oddly enough the OS X frontend is [v0.26.0-18-g905647c-dirty] |
| [06:45:25] | henkpoley: | that won't work |
| [06:45:27] | [R]: | well there you go |
| [06:47:03] | henkpoley: | Downloading top one from here http://www.avenard.org/files/mythtv/mac/?C=M;O=D (again, afaik) |
| [06:47:38] | henkpoley: | MythFrontend-v0.27.3.zip |
| [06:51:01] | henkpoley: | Looks better already |
| [06:52:21] | henkpoley: | Even plays 480p, while the frontend under Windows 10 plays that like a slideshow on same edition hardware |
| [06:52:59] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:53:03] | henkpoley: | [R]: thanks for pointing out the (not so?) obvious |
| [06:54:22] | henkpoley: | [R]: I'm aware the windows support on mythtv is only so so |
| [06:57:14] | henkpoley: | [R]: just to bother you as a non-idler in this channel. Know of a way to hide the HD channels from an old non-performant frontend ? |
| [06:58:13] | [R]: | "hide"? |
| [06:59:21] | henkpoley: | btw, under windows 10, youtube and Netflix play more smooth than under OS X on the same hardware. So it's not impossible to run |
| [06:59:37] | henkpoley: | [R]: hide as in "will never ever show HD" |
| [06:59:43] | [R]: | huh? |
| [07:00:11] | henkpoley: | Just skip over HD channels when you channel surf |
| [07:00:18] | [R]: | channel surf? |
| [07:00:19] | henkpoley: | Don't show Hd recordigns |
| [07:00:27] | [R]: | no, you cant randomly hide recordings |
| [07:00:33] | [R]: | but there are like recording groups |
| [07:00:35] | henkpoley: | It's not random :P |
| [07:00:53] | [R]: | that might do it |
| [07:00:55] | henkpoley: | That means I would need to have used recording groups the past years |
| [07:01:07] | henkpoley: | or edit the database, yada yada |
| [07:02:45] | henkpoley: | Maybe somebody will add this when 4K or HEVC / h.265 comes online on the cable networks : http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/411241 |
| [07:02:56] | henkpoley: | I guess then all the devs will notice :P |
| [07:04:11] | [R]: | wish in one hand... |
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| [10:28:19] | dekarl: | henkpoley fwiw, HEVS test channel is live on Hotbird http://www.digitalproductionme.com/article-74 . . . nel-in-hevc/ Tests over DVB-T2 are running in UK and come to DE next year. So the beginning is near |
| [10:29:02] | dekarl: | s/HEVS/HEVC/ |
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| [10:53:43] | kurre2: | stuartm: Actually, I haven't updated my backend since 11 of Oct and this version now shows the thumbnails on the "old" samsung TV, although it doesn't support playing anything |
| [10:54:10] | kurre2: | unfortunately, the "new" samsung still complains that there is "no files available" |
| [10:55:03] | kurre2: | I'll pull the latest changes and try again |
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| [13:30:25] | kurre2: | stuartm: Ok, just tested with the latest master version and nothing has changed during the past week. The 2013 model doesn't find a single file and the older 2010/2011 model complains about "not supported format", but does show all the recordings and thumbnails. |
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| [13:41:19] | stuartm: | well that's a shame, starting to think the newer models don't actually support upnp, just their proprietary extensions :/ |
| [13:50:53] | stuartm: | the supported format stuff will definately need a Samsung specific hack |
| [13:51:18] | stuartm: | what a bunch of amateurs |
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| [17:24:43] | kurre2: | yes, samsung really hasn't impressed me with SW quality |
| [17:26:00] | kurre2: | I really get the feeling that I should consider these blody TV's as plain displays that need a computer next to them ... at least you can update & modify the linux based SW |
| [17:26:13] | kurre2: | +o |
| [17:27:34] | kurre2: | stuartm: I can deliver what ever debug info is needed if that helps in the long run ... |
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| [17:49:14] | stuartm: | kurre2: that would be great |
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| [17:52:33] | stuartm: | I think backend logs with "-v upnp,http --log-level=debug" would be good for starters, I need to see (or remind myself) exactly what the client requests and what it doesn't |
| [17:54:37] | stuartm: | kurre2: the newer model displays nothing, or it displays the Music/Video/Recording folders and sub-folders but no content? |
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| [17:57:00] | stuartm: | do you have any mp3s with mythmusic? Looking to understand if it's actually looking at the available content but deciding it doesn't support any of it, and therefore it chooses not to display it, or whether it's a more basic problem at a lower level |
| [17:58:47] | pyrodex: | Has the mythtv team released an offical solution for the SD change in the scrapper by chance yet with the November timeframe looming? |
| [17:59:24] | stuartm: | yes |
| [17:59:38] | stuartm: | a one line change to point to the new url |
| [17:59:41] | pyrodex: | Anything on the wiki for 0.28 uses |
| [17:59:43] | pyrodex: | err users? |
| [18:00:16] | stuartm: | pyrodex: there's nothing more to say, 0.28 users have already been running the change for a couple of days |
| [18:00:31] | stuartm: | if you didn't notice anything then it's working as intended |
| [18:00:32] | pyrodex: | Oh ok. So it was in the PPAs I assume? Nice to know. |
| [18:00:38] | pyrodex: | Cool! Thanks! |
| [18:00:49] | stuartm: | it was pushed back to 0.27 earlier today |
| [18:01:37] | tgm4883: | pyrodex: it's not a scraper |
| [18:01:53] | stuartm: | all that has changed is the address of the feed (it was blown way out of proportion by some users) and not helped by badly worded announcements from SD |
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| [18:28:56] | ChanServ!ChanServ@services. changes topic to Welcome to the MythTV user-to-user support channel | Stable release: 0.27.4 | FAQ http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC | Forum https://forum.mythtv.org | Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ | Use http://pastebin.com | Piracy is not tolerated | |
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| [18:44:16] | pyrodex: | stuartm: understood. the SD message didn't help and their fixes were messy and a kludge. |
| [18:47:24] | stuartm: | it should have been handled better, unnecessary panic was caused, not least because they announced it to application developers at the exact same time as SD members so people were coming to MythTV developers for answers and we knew no more than they did |
| [18:47:56] | tgm4883: | building the 0.27.4 fix for it now |
| [18:49:06] | stuartm: | as it turns out, the only necessary change was to switch from one address to another, had they never told members then no-one would have even noticed |
| [18:49:36] | tgm4883: | well some users would have noticed, in which case we would tell them the same thing we're telling them now, which is to update |
| [18:50:26] | stuartm: | tgm4883: well yes, assuming that everyone was running the latest version of MythTV they would not have noticed |
| [18:51:18] | tgm4883: | stuartm: any chance this is going back to 0.26 as well? |
| [18:51:52] | tgm4883: | as I said previously, it's only a few hundred users, but we also build updates for it daily when there are changes |
| [18:52:49] | stuartm: | next time hopefully SD will give more care to how they make announcements, it should have said something like "We would like to inform users that there is a change in URL for our guide feed. The old URL will stop working on the 1st November." |
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| [18:57:19] | stuartm: | "We regretfully inform you that your beloved husband, Thomas Arthur Trimble, has met with an accident at work" ... |
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| [18:57:20] | stuartm: | . |
| [18:57:22] | stuartm: | . |
| [18:57:37] | stuartm: | "He stubbed his toe and will be late for dinner" |
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| [18:57:55] | tgm4883: | nice |
| [18:57:57] | stuartm: | is about what SD managed to do in their announcement |
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| [19:26:17] | Oleg_: | stuartm: ok, so I changed my username. I run my freebsd machine under the username mythtv; that's why my irc client had the same username before I changed it |
| [19:29:38] | stuartm: | thanks, and sorry for the confusion |
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| [19:43:58] | tgm4883: | stuartm: our 0.27.4 builds are done and available to users now |
| [19:44:13] | tgm4883: | https://launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive/ubuntu/0.27/+packages |
| [19:46:47] | stuartm: | tgm4883: nice, thanks for the immediate turn around |
| [19:46:57] | tgm4883: | np |
| [19:47:29] | tgm4883: | it would have built automatically at 2 AM EST, but I wanted to get it out there in case anyone saw that was fixed and had time to update this evening |
| [19:50:48] | bill6502: | stuartm: Thanks to all on the other side of the pond for working on SD. I read your forum message https://forum.mythtv.org/viewtopic.php?f=30&a . . . 770c8c#p1879 and the "data feed is exactly the same" part didn't click. The host is ... |
| [19:51:41] | bill6502: | new and tests have show differences in the data. Perhaps the most important is random downloads without UTF-8 data. |
| [19:51:57] | tgm4883: | bill6502: I've updated the wiki pages with the mythbuntu release info |
| [19:52:05] | tgm4883: | and released a blog post about it |
| [19:52:10] | stuartm: | bill6502: technically they should be the same, there are some teething issues however |
| [19:53:10] | bill6502: | tgm, saw it (and changed the number of solutions from 3 to 4 because I left out the preferred one (0.27.4)) |
| [19:53:26] | stuartm: | bill6502: I wanted to stress that users don't need to do anything, that the format of the feed hasn't changed etc |
| [19:55:51] | stuartm: | most importantly that this isn't switch to a completely new and untested format (json), users should continue to receive all the same data they did previously |
| [19:56:02] | stuartm: | Initial encoding issues may exist, but those will hopefully be fixed by rmeden and the rest of the SD team before they cause any serious issues for users |
| [19:56:36] | stuartm: | the MythTV team have done our part, the rest is up to the SD support team to deal with |
| [19:58:37] | bill6502: | stuartm: I also changed the {{CurrentRelease}} template on the Wiki to 0.27.3 to 0.27.4. |
| [19:59:21] | stuartm: | bill6502: thanks, I always forget at least one thing |
| [20:00:41] | bill6502: | Agreed, hopefully, I was one of those trying to make responses that solved problems (e.g. explaining to users how to capture the raw data in /tmp... and giving actual facts to rmeden so issues could be solved, rather than the sky-is-falling posts that solved nothing. |
| [20:03:48] | bill6502: | I did NOT add a link from your Wiki additions here: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Schedules_Direct to the page I've been keeping with solutions for < 0.27.4 users (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Schedules_Direct_Replacement_Service .) I will if you'd like. Based on the input on the -users list, I'd expect some interesting comments come 11/1 and I'd like to direct them to a single source of answers. |
| [20:06:26] | stuartm: | bill6502: if you want to link that's fine, I'd just rename that page to something less likely to create alarm – Schedules Direct isn't being replaced, but that might be the impression given by "Schedules Direct Replacement Service" |
| [20:06:56] | stuartm: | "Schedules Direct URL change" or similar is much less scary sounding |
| [20:12:10] | bill6502: | Good idea, I picked the name from the SD Forum post. Problem is that others are already linking to it. I'll see if I can tone down the intro a bit. |
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| [20:19:11] | stuartm: | renaming a wiki page sets up an automatic redirect from the old url |
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| [20:47:15] | bill6502: | Done: Schedules Direct URL Change |
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| [21:25:38] | tgm4883: | bill6502: shouldn't we name it something cool (isn't that the hip thing to do nowadays?). Perhaps something like "GuidedataBleed" |
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