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| [01:04:41] | monkeyjoe: | could everyone give me an approch to move from a combined backend/frontend to a new frontend and a seperate backend? |
| [01:05:50] | monkeyjoe: | should I start the new backend as a secondary backend, then eventually switch it to primary. On the existing one add the other server as an additional storage directory |
| [01:06:34] | monkeyjoe: | and slowly the recordings will end on the other machine and then last step switch the frontends? |
| [01:12:48] | Roklobsta: | um, start with keeping the FE/BE as is, set up a new machine as an FE |
| [01:12:57] | Roklobsta: | and try connect to the BE |
| [01:13:18] | Roklobsta: | yo umight need to fiddle some settings to make the BE listen for anything other than localhost FE's |
| [01:13:52] | Roklobsta: | once you have new FE working, you are sorted. |
| [01:13:59] | Roklobsta: | end of job |
| [01:18:48] | monkeyjoe: | Roklobsta: I have that working. I want to replace the current FE/BE |
| [01:18:55] | Roklobsta: | oh. |
| [01:19:20] | Roklobsta: | ok, well, build a new vanilla BE, it can have FE on it, doesn't matter. |
| [01:19:25] | monkeyjoe: | it is a FE/BE that has been running for about 8 years, so it is very old and fragile |
| [01:19:27] | Roklobsta: | back up your sql data base on the old machine |
| [01:19:33] | Roklobsta: | buidl new machine. |
| [01:19:38] | Roklobsta: | copy videos over. |
| [01:19:54] | Roklobsta: | install sql data to new machine |
| [01:19:57] | Roklobsta: | edit paths etc. |
| [01:20:02] | monkeyjoe: | ok so big bang approch |
| [01:20:02] | Roklobsta: | finished |
| [01:20:10] | Roklobsta: | i did it the other week for the same reason |
| [01:20:24] | Roklobsta: | 12.04 -> 14.04 with 3 drive RAID 5. |
| [01:20:25] | monkeyjoe: | my wife is going to kill me if i screw up one day of recordings.... |
| [01:20:35] | Roklobsta: | old machine had dying drives and no RAID but 3 drives |
| [01:20:39] | tgm4883: | in there it should probably say that keeping the backend hostname the same across installs makes things easier |
| [01:20:54] | Roklobsta: | oh yeah, be preapred to go rent a one bedroom studio if it fails |
| [01:21:10] | Roklobsta: | yes, keep the name the same |
| [01:21:44] | Roklobsta: | but mythbe doesn't shit itself once you copy your new sql data in. just edit various settings in BE and FE to reflect your new environment. |
| [01:22:12] | Roklobsta: | i had recordings on 2 drives and copied them to the same dir on the raid5, myth found them without any problem. |
| [01:22:27] | monkeyjoe: | ok, will find the wiki page that goes through this step by step and start planning it.... I was hoping there may be a less impactful gradual way of doing this |
| [01:22:45] | ctmjr: | monkeyjoe, this might help you if you have not read it yet http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Backend_migration |
| [01:23:18] | tgm4883: | monkeyjoe: is it completely new hardware you are setting up? |
| [01:23:22] | Roklobsta: | read this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [01:23:36] | Roklobsta: | do this: mythconverg_backup.pl |
| [01:23:37] | Roklobsta: | copy data |
| [01:23:42] | Roklobsta: | then on new machine do this: |
| [01:23:44] | monkeyjoe: | yes, new server with some large raided drives and a new frontend low power |
| [01:24:02] | Roklobsta: | mythconverg_restore.pl --drop_database --create_database --filename yoursql.gz |
| [01:24:17] | Roklobsta: | raid5 with jfs works well. |
| [01:24:21] | Roklobsta: | i am using mythbuntu |
| [01:24:54] | Roklobsta: | and being ubuntu a cronjob once a month scrubs the raid data |
| [01:25:20] | tgm4883: | monkeyjoe: you should be able to do it with minimal downtime and some planning |
| [01:25:32] | monkeyjoe: | thanks for all the tips... Wish me luck... I only get about 12 hours to get it right |
| [01:25:33] | Roklobsta: | if you use WD drive be sure to turn the wdidle3 timer off |
| [01:25:59] | tgm4883: | monkeyjoe: geez plenty of time. You could probably get it down with under an hour of real work |
| [01:26:19] | Roklobsta: | backup /etc and /home/yourmythtvuser too or you will be sorry |
| [01:26:25] | monkeyjoe: | haha, it took me about 2 years to get this one working ;) |
| [01:26:39] | Roklobsta: | the long time for me was the sheer slowness of copying 3.5TB of data over |
| [01:26:59] | Roklobsta: | monkeyjoe: it's been 6 years for me and i still fight Mythtv. |
| [01:27:47] | monkeyjoe: | im just having some weird things happening with some recordings off the hdhomeruns |
| [01:27:55] | tgm4883: | 7 years and mine is working great :) |
| [01:29:15] | Roklobsta: | i have terribvle trouble with DVB cards |
| [01:29:20] | Roklobsta: | they keep missing |
| [01:29:22] | Roklobsta: | recording |
| [01:29:34] | Roklobsta: | tuner timeouts yaddh yaddah yaddah |
| [01:29:57] | monkeyjoe: | i have a draw full of tv tuner cards that "sort-of" work, now I just run hdhomeruns |
| [01:30:13] | Roklobsta: | keep /etc and /home/mythuser as there will be lirc configs and so you will need to move across |
| [01:30:48] | Roklobsta: | alas tv cards in linu are supported by one mechanical engineering student in finland. |
| [01:31:17] | Roklobsta: | who only really tests DVB as he doesn't have ASTC signals |
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| [02:27:12] | kusznir: | Hi all: In mythvideo with my H.264-based mkv recordings, when I skip forward or back, very random things happen. For example, pressing the back arrow may skip 15 minutes forward, 3 seconds back, 10 minutes back, 30sec forward, or anything else. |
| [02:27:15] | kusznir: | Is there a solution to this? |
| [02:29:38] | Roklobsta: | maybe the is an index problem |
| [02:29:42] | Roklobsta: | in the mkv |
| [02:29:49] | ** Roklobsta clutches at air. ** | |
| [02:30:07] | Roklobsta: | do you recompress recordings to h.264? |
| [02:39:15] | tgm4883: | sounds like a VBR issue |
| [02:39:32] | tgm4883: | probably just need to rebuild the seektable |
| [02:40:06] | [R]: | that's what she said |
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| [03:18:02] | sphery: | kusznir: actually, if you're using an old version of mythtv (like one where mythvideo was actually mythvideo, the plugin, versus current MythTV which has a core component called Video Library that's what used to be MythVideo) |
| [03:18:32] | sphery: | and you /did/ create a seektable for it with mythtranscode --buildindex or mythcommflag --rebuild, that will cause problems like you see |
| [03:18:56] | sphery: | since we don't support seektables for the mkv bitstream format (we end up writing garbage info into the database) |
| [03:19:17] | sphery: | current MythTV's video library will prevent you from creating a seektable for mkv videos |
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| [03:42:09] | Roklobsta: | i hope tgm4883 got the answer he was seeking. |
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| [04:20:54] | tgm4883: | Roklobsta: I wasn't looking for answers? |
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| [05:43:49] | Roklobsta: | a pun. |
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| [14:46:52] | manithree: | Is there a trick to getting uPNP to work in .28? My PS3 shows a "DLNA Protocol Error" and doesn't list any recordings after upgrading mythtv. |
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| [15:02:06] | kusznir: | sphery: I'm running a current version of mythtv, so I'm pretty sure its integrated. Latest version of LinHES. The video in question I was watching last night was actually from a DVD that I used handbrake on another system to encode; myth's first interaction with it was from mythvideo. |
| [15:02:37] | stuartm: | manithree: which version exactly? |
| [15:02:39] | kusznir: | Also, sometimes Myth would say "Searching..." for a bit when I hit a skip button, and once just plain exited the video. |
| [15:04:04] | manithree: | stuartm: mythtv-backend 2:0.28.0~master.20140920.44c85ad-0ubuntu0mythbuntu2 i386 |
| [15:04:18] | stuartm: | manithree: mythbackend --version is more useful |
| [15:04:37] | stuartm: | but that looks to be over three weeks old, I'd upgrade again |
| [15:05:35] | stuartm: | manithree: there's been a lot of work on making MythTV more upnp and DLNA compliant. However there are some clients which claim UPnP/DLNA compliance but which aren't actually compliant, even those from mainstream members of the DLNA consortium (e.g. Samsung) |
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| [15:06:21] | manithree: | Please attach all output as a file in bug reports. |
| [15:06:22] | manithree: | MythTV Version : v0.28-pre-2212-g44c85ad |
| [15:06:22] | manithree: | MythTV Branch : master |
| [15:06:22] | manithree: | Network Protocol : 83 |
| [15:06:22] | manithree: | Library API : 0.28.20140918–1 |
| [15:06:22] | manithree: | QT Version : 4.8.6 |
| [15:06:22] | manithree: | Options compiled in: |
| [15:06:22] | stuartm: | I'm planning to add a setting to allow disabling DLNA compliance, as this seems likely to help with those devices |
| [15:06:22] | manithree: | linux profile use_hidesyms using_alsa using_oss using_pulse using_pulseoutput using_backend using_bindings_perl using_bindings_python using_bindings_php using_crystalhd using_dvb using_firewire using_frontend using_hdhomerun using_ceton using_hdpvr using_ivtv using_joystick_menu using_libcrypto using_libdns_sd using_libfftw3 using_libxml2 using_lirc using_mheg using_opengl using_opengl_video using_qtwebkit using_qtscript using_qtdbus using_ |
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| [15:06:58] | manithree: | I upgraded a few times the first couple of weeks, but I'll keep trying that. |
| [15:07:14] | stuartm: | manithree: there should be nightly packages of 0.28 for ubuntu |
| [15:08:04] | manithree: | stuartm: After a few tries at upgrading, I just figured there might be something else I needed to do. |
| [15:08:07] | stuartm: | if it still doesn't work, we'd appreciate help in debugging – logs etc |
| [15:08:30] | stuartm: | manithree: 0.28 is the development version, and we're in the middle of working on that code |
| [15:08:59] | stuartm: | it's changing all the time |
| [15:09:02] | manithree: | stuartm: Yeah, I didn't mean to upgrade to it, but by the time I figured it out, it would have been painful to go back. |
| [15:09:42] | manithree: | I upgraded from ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04, and upgraded mythtv too far. |
| [15:10:46] | manithree: | I can upgrade mythtv now, but I can't try the PS3 client again until I get home from work tonight. |
| [15:14:59] | stuartm: | also try googling the exact error you get from the PS3, there are a lot of results for "DLNA Protocol Error" and it seems many of them relate to things like firewall or router configuration problems, if were know the exact error code we may find something that will help us to determine what the problem is |
| [15:15:16] | tgm4883: | manithree: how did you accidently upgrade to 0.28? |
| [15:15:45] | manithree: | It's 4405. I found lots of people using plex and other servers with huge directories timing out, but nothing mythtv-related. |
| [15:19:35] | manithree: | The PS3 and the mythtv box are on the same switch, and it was working before I upgraded. iptables -L looks like no firewall is running. |
| [15:21:05] | manithree: | tgm4883: add-apt-repository ppa:mythbuntu/0.28 |
| [15:21:14] | tgm4883: | manithree: ah ok |
| [15:21:43] | tgm4883: | manithree: FWIW, that should have also done a DB backup, so you should be able to rvert |
| [15:23:33] | manithree: | tgm4883: I did find that backup, but it's been a couple of months now, and I'm still hoping that figuring out this uPNP thing will be easier than going back to a backup that old. If not ... |
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| [15:26:40] | manithree: | I just upgraded (and re-booted), and mythbackend --version shows: |
| [15:26:49] | manithree: | MythTV Version : v0.28-pre-2291-gd97aeef |
| [15:26:49] | manithree: | MythTV Branch : master |
| [15:26:49] | manithree: | Network Protocol : 83 |
| [15:26:49] | manithree: | Library API : 0.28.20140924–1 |
| [15:26:49] | manithree: | QT Version : 4.8.6 |
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| [15:48:48] | stuartm: | hmm, that version is actually broken, dates back to Saturday |
| [15:50:24] | stuartm: | should have been a more recent one from last night |
| [15:50:54] | tgm4883: | stuartm: actually I stopped builds last night |
| [15:50:56] | tgm4883: | so they didn't build |
| [15:51:20] | tgm4883: | because I didn't want 0.27 to build without the DD patch if we were going to put it in |
| [15:51:51] | stuartm: | ah, that's unfortunate, it means ubuntu users are still waiting for a nasty bug to be fixed in 0.28 |
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| [15:56:00] | __raven: | hi |
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| [16:00:27] | tgm4883: | stuartm: well let me turn it back on |
| [16:00:33] | tgm4883: | I only turned it off yesterday |
| [16:01:56] | stuartm: | just pushed the url change to 0.28 |
| [16:02:37] | tgm4883: | stuartm: just kicked off a build |
| [16:02:49] | tgm4883: | stuartm: how long does the URL change need to stay in 0.28? |
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| [16:09:56] | stuartm: | tgm4883: well I'd give it 2–3 days at least, we're fast running out of time for more extensive testing, especially considering that most packagers aren't as quick as you guys are to get new packages out there and users are even slower to upgrade |
| [16:12:21] | tgm4883: | ok, I'll just leave it all enabed then |
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| [16:27:35] | stuartm: | in all of this I keep forgetting that us UK users have our own deadline looming |
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| [18:21:06] | henkpoley: | Just a quick check. Was the option to record daily at a certain time recently removed from MythTV ? |
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| [18:21:42] | henkpoley: | On the frontend I can only select "do not record", "record this one", and "record always" |
| [18:22:31] | henkpoley: | There used to be an option to record "just the 20:00 showing" (or somesuch) |
| [18:24:41] | stuartm_: | look under filters |
| [18:25:36] | henkpoley: | so, you set it to always record, and the set a filter ? |
| [18:25:52] | tgm4883: | henkpoley: yes |
| [18:26:09] | henkpoley: | Might there be some reason why the old recording rule was not properly converted to this new style? (if it is new) |
| [18:27:20] | tgm4883: | I didn't know that the old style ceased to work |
| [18:28:06] | henkpoley: | Hmm, it might be that the problem is my channel changed name |
| [18:28:31] | stuartm_: | To my knowledge it should have been converted at the time the change was made |
| [18:28:43] | henkpoley: | when the TV is free again I'll try to set up a new rule |
| [18:28:54] | henkpoley: | the change was recent ? |
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| [18:29:04] | henkpoley: | Or before 0.27 ? |
| [18:29:12] | stuartm_: | No, over a year ago |
| [18:29:24] | stuartm_: | Before 0.27 |
| [18:29:47] | henkpoley: | Nah, I've been on 0.27 for a while now |
| [18:30:47] | henkpoley: | It's probably that the channel changes it's name a while ago, and then I never set up such a "compilcated" rule the past few years ;( |
| [18:30:49] | henkpoley: | :) |
| [18:31:39] | Kwisher_wrk: | look in mythweb |
| [18:37:57] | henkpoley: | I'll have to reinstall and configure that |
| [18:38:04] | henkpoley: | if I would want to use it |
| [18:38:10] | henkpoley: | stripped it from boot |
| [18:39:07] | tgm4883: | stuartm_ : wasn't the change new to 0.27? |
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| [18:49:33] | stuartm: | yes, introduced before 0.27, after 0.26 |
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| [18:49:48] | henkpoley: | Hmm, mythweb doesn't appear to be able to manupulate the recording table when I submit changes. I'll have to use the frontend :P |
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| [18:50:22] | stuartm: | henkpoley: I wouldn't bother installing mythweb, it's gone from 0.28, replaced by something newer and much easier to setup/use |
| [18:50:34] | henkpoley: | :) |
| [18:51:02] | stuartm: | an crucially it's maintained, mythweb hasn't really been maintained for years |
| [18:51:33] | henkpoley: | Might be nice to mention that somewhere here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.28#MythWeb |
| [18:54:25] | henkpoley: | Installing the frontend on this old Windows 10 machine :P |
| [18:55:03] | henkpoley: | I know has problems playing even SD content from mythtv, but for changing recording rules that probably works |
| [18:55:25] | henkpoley: | h.264 720p plays fine btw |
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| [18:55:40] | henkpoley: | just not in the windows frontend |
| [18:56:29] | tgm4883: | henkpoley: doesn't the fact that there is nothing listed for mythweb in that entry kinda reflect that it's not being maintained ;P |
| [18:57:54] | henkpoley: | It also doesn't mention santa clause, maybe he'll give me a pony this year? ;) |
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| [19:10:28] | henkpoley: | Also, the program guide doesn't show the data correctly under Windows |
| [19:10:36] | henkpoley: | in the frontend |
| [19:15:57] | stuartm: | henkpoley: when 0.28 is actually released the Release Notes will reflect changes |
| [19:16:19] | henkpoley: | sure |
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| [19:35:01] | dekarl: | henkpoley: +1 on the old Windows 10 machine. btw which windows frontend, ours? and is that software decode or hardware decode? |
| [19:36:09] | henkpoley: | the sourceforge build |
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| [19:36:25] | henkpoley: | mythonwindows.sf.net from the top of my head |
| [19:37:14] | henkpoley: | http://mythtvwindows.sourceforge.net/ latest release is a recent 0.27 build |
| [19:38:08] | henkpoley: | dekarl: I can get this 1st gen macbook to play a slideshow if I use the the OpenGL renderer. Otherwise it's just a black screen. |
| [19:38:17] | henkpoley: | it run win10 btw |
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| [19:47:54] | dekarl: | henkpoley: sounds like the preview isn't that impressive then :( |
| [19:48:39] | henkpoley: | no, it's just that this macbook barely plays 720p |
| [19:48:58] | henkpoley: | so if you do something non-optimal it's going to suck |
| [19:49:15] | dekarl: | ok, then back to the other question.. hardware or software decode? |
| [19:49:48] | dekarl: | IIRC we have basic DXVA support |
| [19:49:49] | henkpoley: | Macbooks got hardware decode in 2008, this one is from 2006 |
| [19:50:18] | henkpoley: | chrome does say it has hardware decode, but that might be window faking support, or just MPEG2 |
| [19:50:32] | henkpoley: | Intel GPU |
| [19:51:24] | henkpoley: | Basically the oldest carppiest supported by Windows 7-8–10 |
| [19:52:10] | henkpoley: | They upped the requirements for WDDM1.0 just before windows 7 was released, and this one was nearly cut from support |
| [19:53:32] | henkpoley: | The bug in the program guide does seem to be a genuine bug though. |
| [19:54:05] | dekarl: | looks like it can do parts of the mpeg-2 decode in hardware, but not all |
| [19:54:07] | henkpoley: | when you scroll sideways (up / down time) the program segments collapse |
| [19:54:14] | henkpoley: | yup |
| [19:54:45] | dekarl: | tbh I'd just dual boot into mythbuntu :) |
| [19:54:57] | henkpoley: | It "has" OpenGL, but actually most is done on CPU |
| [19:55:10] | tgm4883: | Mythbuntu FTW! |
| [19:55:12] | dekarl: | running hosted on the latest and greatest preview of windows won't help |
| [19:55:29] | henkpoley: | Or use the OS X frontend, afaik it still runs under 10.6 isn't it ? |
| [19:55:49] | dekarl: | running OSX on a Mac is sooooo. predictable ;) |
| [19:56:04] | tgm4883: | I'm not biased at all ;) |
| [19:56:11] | henkpoley: | Oh, I didn't expect to work. It can play 720p in VLC. So 480p could be possible in myth |
| [19:56:40] | henkpoley: | I put the smallest HDD I had left in this old machine. So no space for yet another OS |
| [19:57:22] | henkpoley: | Also tripple booting a Mac is sort of odd, you need to change your EFI bootloader afaik |
| [19:58:06] | Roklobsta: | if i have a card with 2 tuners, how can i ensure one tuner gets delayed for tuning setup if both tuners are scheduled for tuning at the same point in time? |
| [19:58:45] | Roklobsta: | i ask as i have the pesky afatech cards and there has always been a problem with them tuning at the same time. the chips share an i2c bus and things get badly confused. |
| [19:59:35] | henkpoley: | Roklobsta: probably best if the kernel module figures that out |
| [19:59:50] | Roklobsta: | agh it'll never happen |
| [20:00:12] | henkpoley: | binary blob ? |
| [20:00:17] | Roklobsta: | no |
| [20:00:29] | Roklobsta: | the expert on it has moved on a long time ago |
| [20:00:45] | Roklobsta: | and the card isn't manufactured any more |
| [20:01:38] | Roklobsta: | they do have firmware which i am sure is buggy too |
| [20:02:06] | Roklobsta: | so i am trying to find a dual tuner card that isn't shit |
| [20:02:06] | henkpoley: | Putting a lock around writing to the card ought to be possible |
| [20:02:52] | Roklobsta: | well, it's the interface. there is one usb endpoint so you need to send the right commands to toggle a gate in the asic to get the i2c commands to go to the right tuner. |
| [20:03:06] | henkpoley: | DuoFlex ? |
| [20:03:09] | Roklobsta: | becuase the tuners have the same i2c address. hence a switch. |
| [20:03:17] | Roklobsta: | DVB-T? |
| [20:03:24] | henkpoley: | sure |
| [20:04:08] | henkpoley: | The driver is outside of the mainline kernel though. |
| [20:04:08] | Roklobsta: | things are ok if V4L commands are sent to one tuner. 2 tuners at the same time and it's reboot time. |
| [20:04:14] | henkpoley: | Oh, and I haven't used it |
| [20:04:26] | Roklobsta: | hahaha nice recommendation! |
| [20:04:35] | henkpoley: | I do want to use it |
| [20:04:53] | henkpoley: | Just no need, no budget for useless trials |
| [20:05:18] | Roklobsta: | i would love this... http://digitalnow.com.au/product_pages/Quad.html |
| [20:05:19] | henkpoley: | currently use CT3650 which is sort of all-in-one with CI CAM support and all |
| [20:06:09] | dekarl: | henkpoley: http://www.avenard.org/files/mythtv/mac/ latest 0.27 is supposed to run on 10.6+ according to our wiki at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Mac_OS_X . . . lt_Downloads |
| [20:08:30] | Roklobsta: | grrr, WTF why does VNC server in mythbuntu never ever work properly? |
| [20:08:31] | dekarl: | Roklobsta: actually the driver should take care of delaying the tuning if it can't be done concurrently... |
| [20:09:39] | Roklobsta: | dekarl: yeah, well, where to you draw the line at atomicity for tuning? i think it might be a combination of low level driver and something higher up in the V4L chain too. |
| [20:10:02] | Roklobsta: | so i thought the other day, can myth be made to introduce a delay? |
| [20:10:36] | Roklobsta: | like tuner 1 has no delay but anything for tuner 2 has a lead in delay of 10 seconds |
| [20:11:05] | dekarl: | Roklobsta: IIRC there was a patch that delays tuning / starting the recording, but my google foo is weak on that one :/ |
| [20:11:37] | Roklobsta: | i'd look in the MBE settings but ^&#*%@56 VNC has @^*&(#*^%@ itself as usual. |
| [20:12:18] | Roklobsta: | i also have a sneaky feeling MBE DVB setup code doesn't work as well as other programs. i get timeouts when i shouldn't. |
| [20:12:35] | Roklobsta: | i need to prove that one though |
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| [21:49:37] | epinephrine: | How do you define a cardid with 'mythtv-setup --scan atsc-vsb8-us' ? |
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| [22:01:52] | manithree: | Is there anything in the mythtv wiki yet about this new mythweb replacement? |
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| [22:03:22] | stuartm: | doesn't look like it |
| [22:04:11] | dekarl: | can't find anything but #11938 |
| [22:04:11] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11938 ** | |
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| [22:05:03] | dekarl: | and the wishlist at https://code.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/WebFrontendWishlist |
| [22:05:15] | dekarl: | aka "where is it headed" |
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| [22:10:03] | stuartm: | I've not actually been keeping that ticket updated, don't always remember to reference it in commits, and since the ticket was created after some of the initial work was done it's not a complete picture |
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