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stuartm:

!seen warpme

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MythLogBot:

warpme was last seen 206 days 14 hours 34 minutes 49 seconds ago

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esperegu:

any idea if a 0.28 beta is close? any schedule?

[19:11:57]

dekarl:

when its done [tm] ;)

[19:15:04]

esperegu:

dekarl: hehe. totally no clue?

[19:16:29]

dekarl:

between summer-no-one-has-time and winter-hacking-time would be nice

[19:17:13]

dekarl:

I'd love to say "a year after 0.27" but that's a big close

[19:50:23]

esperegu:

dekarl: thx

[19:51:19]

esperegu:

hope it's not gonna take to long. now somehow my frontend cannot connect cause the scheme versions differ. grrr

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[20:05:07]

esperegu:

anyone an idea? I upgraded and now my frontend says: "Error: MythTV database has newer TV schema (1329) then expected (1328). Database Host 192.168.80.1.

[20:05:46]

esperegu:

this is on a remote frontend. the frontend on the database host runs fine.

[20:05:58]

tgm4883:

esperegu: are you running the same version on both?

[20:06:09]

esperegu:

tgm4883: just upgraded them

[20:06:15]

tgm4883:

esperegu: what OS

[20:06:29]

esperegu:

tgm4883: but I ran the frontend before the backend was rebooted

[20:06:42]

esperegu:

tgm4883: linuxmce (K)ubuntu

[20:07:17]

tgm4883:

esperegu: what does a 'dpkg -l | grep mythtv' return?

[20:07:21]

tgm4883:

on both systems

[20:09:06]

esperegu:

tgm4883: hmm. that differs ;-)

[20:09:15]

esperegu:

explains

[20:09:23]

tgm4883:

i figured it probably did

[20:10:09]

esperegu:

tgm4883: I upgraded both but probably one had a more recent 'apt-get update' ;-)

[20:10:21]

tgm4883:

that would be my guess too

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esperegu:

tgm4883: thx. solved!

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JrG:

what is the easiest way to make sure that your listings are being pulled from schedules direct?

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Corin_EU:

Can anybody answer a question about solving picon caching? I changed some picon files in .mythtv/channels but I cannot get the displayed logo in mythsetup-tv to change from the old version

[20:59:17]

Corin_EU:

I have tried mythutil --clearcache but that has made no difference.

[20:59:29]

Corin_EU:

So what do I need to do?

[21:01:20]

wagnerrp:

picon?

[21:02:22]

Corin_EU:

Yes you know the channel logo files one puts in .myttv/channels

[21:02:46]

Corin_EU:

that show up next to the channel name in mythtv-setup and on the listing page in mythweb EPG listing

[21:04:00]

Corin_EU:

Usually a png file that looks like the logo of the tv or radio station on a "button".

[21:05:14]

wagnerrp:

i've never heard them called that before

[21:05:51]

Corin_EU:

You will find in the satellte receiver forums everybody calls them picons

[21:07:09]

Corin_EU:

For example take a look at http://www.world-of-satellite.com/forumdisplay.php?35-Picons

[21:08:49]

Corin_EU:

PICON Portable ICON

[21:10:03]

Corin_EU:

So can you tell me what I need to do to get the channel logs updated in the channel editor of mythtv-setupafter after changing the image file in .mythtv/channels please?

[21:10:11]

Corin_EU:

channel logo that is

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wagnerrp:

that mechanism has changed a bit in the past few years

[21:19:12]

wagnerrp:

i don't know how it behaves currently

[21:19:40]

Corin_EU:

Okay thanks for your help.

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tgm4883:

I'm pretty sure Picon is from Battlestar Gallatica

[22:15:17]

JrG:

hm

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JrG:

where do i set the commandline for mythdatabasefill?

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JrG:

i want to change it from the default to --refresh-all

[22:23:42]

JrG:

so would i just add it to the arguments int he general config's last screen?

[22:23:46]

JrG:

seems like the place to add it

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Corin_EU:

Well add it there and try it and see it if does the job ;+)

[22:26:35]

Corin_EU:

After poking around, I found that the channel logo files are cached under .mythtv/themecache/Terra.{screen_resolution}

[22:26:57]

Corin_EU:

Doing an rm there on the channel logo files cured the problem

[22:29:00]

JrG:

Corin_EU: i won't know until it runs it again heh

[22:29:11]

JrG:

ah well. no big deal. i'll find out later. so long as my football records heh

[22:29:17]

Corin_EU:

I just had a look in the MythTV database

[22:29:23]

Corin_EU:

there is a table settings

[22:29:36]

Corin_EU:

that has some settings for mythfilldatabse

[22:29:58]

Corin_EU:

so youd should do a query on that table before and after changing the setting in mythtv-setup

[22:30:20]

Corin_EU:

so if you see it change there, then you know that you have put the setting in the right place

[22:31:11]

Corin_EU:

Hmm do not see an entry for command parameters though

[22:31:33]

Macer:

under general in the last screen

[22:32:07]

Macer:

seems like there is a section for mythfilldatabase and underneath it arguments you can add to it.. in my case --refresh-all

[22:32:17]

Corin_EU:

IF the worst comes to the worst, there is a way you can cheat on adding settings to commands that you cannot add to application settings.

[22:34:03]

Corin_EU:

Macer: do you see a corresponding entry in the MytTV database settings table?

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Macer:

no idea. i'd have to use mysql and look at it wouldn't i?

[22:42:22]

Macer:

can i check in mythweb?

[22:43:30]

Macer:

guess not. mythweb really doesn't do much by way of configuration

[22:43:39]

Macer:

i mean i guess i understand considering it may be a bit dangerous

[22:44:01]

Macer:

Corin_EU: i'll just check tomorrow and see if it updated heh

[22:44:25]

Macer:

right now it has what i need. i just need to get past football opening weekend lol

[22:44:44]

Corin_EU:

If you want to use mysql then it is fairly simple from the command line

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Corin_EU:

mysql -u mythtv -U MythTV -p

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Corin_EU:

oops you may need to say -U mythtv

[22:45:36]

Corin_EU:

I like my DBs with uppercase names

[22:45:41]

Corin_EU:

then enter your password

[22:45:46]

Corin_EU:

then simply

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Corin_EU:

select * from settings ;

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Corin_EU:

and then

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Corin_EU:

quit ;

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Corin_EU:

Mythweb is a bit of a black hole when it comes to settings.

[22:47:09]

Macer:

oh ok

[22:47:12]

Macer:

let me try it

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Corin_EU:

It will probably work.

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Macer:

| MythFillDatabaseArgs | --refresh-all | NULL |

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Macer:

seems like it is there

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Corin_EU:

Excellent!

[22:58:06]

Corin_EU:

Because I have not added any arguments to mythtfill database, I do not see that value/data in the columns.

[22:58:25]

Macer:

yah. i was just getting stale data becaues of the method it uses to udpate from schedules direct by default

[22:58:40]

Macer:

seems to be working now tho.. but i won't really know until it updates a few times and i can see if the data is stale again

[22:58:50]

Corin_EU:

So is this a really good thing to add?

[22:58:57]

Macer:

not sure heh

[22:59:13]

Macer:

guess i'll find out the hard way ;) worst thing is that i'll have to remove it. not like i really changed much

[22:59:15]

Corin_EU:

At the moment I do not have it set and just get the program info from the EIT data

[22:59:32]

Macer:

yah the schedules direct metadata is way better

[22:59:44]

Macer:

plus goes up to 2 weeks i believe. not sure if it goes farther

[23:00:05]

Corin_EU:

You are talking about US schedules?

[23:00:08]

Macer:

yes

[23:00:16]

Macer:

i'm in chicago using OTA ATSC

[23:00:37]

Corin_EU:

May I ask which station you watch for the football?

[23:00:47]

Macer:

http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer/football-ready.png

[23:01:10]

Macer:

in my case.. this weekend... wfld/FOX is the most important lol

[23:01:41]

Corin_EU:

virtual channel 32 if my recollection is correct?

[23:01:54]

Macer:

yes

[23:02:28]

Macer:

i dug up an old ge amplified antenna i had in a closet and hooked it up to my hdhomerun and i get awesome reception for all the local ota stations

[23:02:39]

Macer:

even wbbm seems a lot more stable

[23:02:51]

Macer:

even tho the signal strength is yellow.. good enough to not stutter tho heh

[23:03:07]

Macer:

it was xfering around 18–20mbit

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Corin_EU:

That's the benefit of digital transmission. Generally it is either or nothing or if just borderline ia mess

[23:03:37]

Macer:

yeah. i had a 3" craptenna hooked up to it earlier just to tune and test

[23:03:44]

Macer:

it was able to lock but it sure couldn't play it

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Macer:

wttw/pbs was pretty bad too

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Corin_EU:

the signal to noise ratio is usually now more important than the absolute signal strength

[23:04:16]

Macer:

now i get them all crystal clear heh

[23:04:44]

Macer:

with my $10 GE amplified antenna i bought over a year ago

[23:05:04]

Macer:

i'm just glad i was able to get all of this working in freenas using a freebsd jail

[23:05:11]

Corin_EU:

If you have a variable control, generally a good idea to avoid turning it all the way up.

[23:05:17]

Macer:

since my nas is on 24/7 it made sense to set it up there

[23:05:34]

Macer:

the amplification?

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Corin_EU:

Yes the amplification on the antenna.

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Macer:

i don't

[23:06:04]

Macer:

it's either plugged in, or it isn't heh

[23:06:24]

Macer:

not a big deal though. all teh channels i REALLY need come in crystal clear

[23:06:26]

Corin_EU:

Okay. You see some amplified antennas have a dial to turn

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Macer:

i think i might have like 4 of those higher numbered channels that really only show garbage that don't tune but i can live without them.. the major networks come in fine

[23:07:18]

Macer:

i wish i could find a better mythtv plugin for vlc tho

[23:07:35]

Corin_EU:

The higher the actual UHF channel number (not the VSIP) the more difficult the reception

[23:08:01]

Corin_EU:

higher frequencies get absorbed and blocked more easily.

[23:08:16]

Corin_EU:

Which OS/distribution are you running on your NAS?

[23:08:17]

Macer:

oh i'm sure. shorter wavelength

[23:08:23]

Macer:

FreeNAS

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Macer:

although i'm actually running mythtv in a freebsd jail on the nas

[23:09:10]

Macer:

and mounted the zfs to it

[23:09:27]

Corin_EU:

I just got MythTV up and running last week.

[23:09:44]

Macer:

as did i... i was trying tvheadend first

[23:09:45]

Corin_EU:

I tried it a long time ago but never really got it configured.

[23:09:50]

Macer:

because the web interface for it is awesome

[23:09:58]

Corin_EU:

YEs I have had tvheadend up and running for some time.

[23:10:09]

Macer:

for the life of me i couldn't get it working in freenas with like 4 different types of tuners

[23:10:15]

Corin_EU:

TVheadend is good for live TV.

[23:10:15]

Macer:

the best luck i had was a pcie cx88 based card

[23:10:28]

Macer:

it was decent for the recording as well and timeshifting

[23:10:35]

Macer:

i didn't have much of a problem with it

[23:10:59]

Macer:

but that was running on ubuntu server

[23:11:18]

Corin_EU:

I have Linux Mint 16 on a machine here.

[23:11:30]

Macer:

i wanted to do this all using freenas... then zfs on linux broke and i had to go back to freenas because the ubuntu system was borked since i had /var on the zfs it could no longer read

[23:11:42]

Macer:

and it wasn't worth fixing if it was going to do stupid things like update the kernel but not the zfs module

[23:12:01]

Macer:

so i went back to freenas and someone suggested trying a hdhomerun :) works like a champ

[23:12:19]

Corin_EU:

I have not why use zfs?

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Macer:

tvheadend just sucks in a fbsd jail on a freenas box tho :/ so mythtv it is

[23:12:38]

Macer:

because zfs is like a raid on steroids

[23:12:45]

Macer:

i have a 4x3TB nas with hotswap bays

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Corin_EU:

I see — just not familiar with it.

[23:13:18]

Macer:

just last week i had a drive completely die on me... a seagate ... pulled it out.. put a new one in... resilvered... and it was up and running

[23:13:21]

Macer:

not even a hiccup :)

[23:13:30]

Corin_EU:

I avoid Seagate disks.

[23:13:37]

Macer:

and you get better redundancy than hardware raids

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kormoc:

btrfs ++

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Macer:

i normally would have too but oh well. i swapped it for a wd red

[23:14:11]

Macer:

kormoc: lol. btrfs needs another 5–50 years ;)

[23:14:16]

Corin_EU:

I have two 1 TB WD reds in this PC.

[23:14:16]

Macer:

btrfs reminds me of hurd

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kormoc:

heh, it's solid for transient data (like tv shows) and backups/etc where bit rot is more likely then not

[23:15:09]

kormoc:

and it doesn't eat your data when the kernel gets updated ;)

[23:15:47]

Corin_EU:

I thought the official word was btrfs was not quite ready for production use?

[23:15:57]

kormoc:

sure, but it's getting there

[23:16:04]

Macer:

kormoc: i think my problem with it was the "raid5" wasn't there yet

[23:16:07]

kormoc:

I did not put on that list data I care about

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Macer:

and that wasn't that long ago heh

[23:16:19]

Macer:

so i passed it up for tested and true zfs

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kormoc:

Macer, that's fair. It exists now but it's not ready for usage

[23:16:34]

Macer:

yeah it was incredibly unstable and still is

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kormoc:

just going with r=2 and calling it good

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Macer:

lol

[23:17:01]

Macer:

the only problem with zfs is it is a total ram whore

[23:17:23]

Macer:

the ram requirements are ridiculous. especially for the more intense features like dedupe

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Corin_EU:

Just looked up ZFS and now I remember a bit more about it — it was the file system developed by Sun Microsystems

[23:20:03]

Macer:

yes :(

[23:20:05]

Macer:

RIP Sun

[23:20:11]

Macer:

OpenSolaris was awesome

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Corin_EU:

According to Wonkeypedia "the recommendation is to not use a hardware RAID card"

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Corin_EU:

that is when using ZFS

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Macer:

lol

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wagnerrp:

when you're using hardware RAID, ZFS (or btrfs) does not have direct access to that redundancy to be able to correct data loss

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wagnerrp:

it can merely detect it

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