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| [06:26:36] | tpowa: | jya, you there? |
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| [07:24:47] | jya: | i am now |
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| [07:48:40] | tpowa: | jya, I have a new file which does not segfault, but has again audio problems |
| [07:49:16] | jya: | open a new bug with it, with full description |
| [07:49:18] | jya: | dinner time now |
| [07:49:30] | tpowa: | jya aye |
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| [09:39:29] | tpowa: | jya, if I understood you correct on latest lossless fixes, mythtranscode should fallback to -O FFMPEGTS=1 if normal conversion fails? |
| [09:43:20] | jya: | no |
| [09:44:02] | jya: | only for actual playback, if we are unable to open the file with the myth mpegts demuxer will it try to use the ffmpeg’s original one |
| [09:44:17] | jya: | your issue is different. there’s no problem opening the file |
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| [09:48:21] | tpowa: | jya, #12210 |
| [09:48:21] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12210 ** | |
| [09:48:56] | jya: | i will not fix audio being incorrectly identified in the myth mpegts demuxer |
| [09:49:21] | jya: | too much work for only one person reporting the problem sorry.. |
| [09:49:24] | jya: | this is a big task |
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| [09:50:08] | tpowa: | jya, no issue for me, but somehow the possiblity to get -O FFMPEGTS=1 into conversion would probably help a lot |
| [09:51:52] | jya: | same as above |
| [09:52:21] | tpowa: | you mean not fixable? |
| [09:52:29] | jya: | feel free to post a patch .. but while I’ll do my best to fix the issue this week… after than I will have very little time to do mythtv for month |
| [09:52:40] | jya: | (the crashing issue that is) |
| [09:52:51] | tpowa: | ah you mean the segfault |
| [09:54:10] | tpowa: | FFMPEGTS=1 ends in deadlock detected, which i'm sure results it cannot handle ac3 correctly again |
| [09:54:27] | jya: | no idea |
| [09:54:32] | jya: | i don’t transcode |
| [09:55:05] | tpowa: | all issues I had always the ac3 stream was the error source |
| [09:55:53] | jya: | are you using passthrough? |
| [09:56:05] | tpowa: | no only losslell transcode |
| [09:56:20] | jya: | you use the new —allstream (or something like that) |
| [09:56:41] | tpowa: | not that I know |
| [09:57:08] | jya: | if you have AC3 detected as chanels, it won’t use that stream anyway, so it’s unlikly the problem |
| [09:58:53] | tpowa: | --allaudiotracks you mean this options? |
| [09:59:07] | jya: | yes.. otherwise the AC3 tracks will be skipped |
| [09:59:19] | jya: | stream with 0 channels are skipped |
| [09:59:44] | tpowa: | yes that results in 0 audio |
| [10:00:02] | jya: | no audio at all? |
| [10:00:06] | jya: | or just not the ac3 one |
| [10:00:51] | tpowa: | --allaudiotracks seems nice |
| [10:02:36] | tpowa: | jya now used --allaudiotracks which kicks off ac3 stream |
| [10:12:42] | dekarl: | tpowa: is that dynmic pmt with audio stream coming and going when the movie starts/ends? |
| [10:17:41] | tpowa: | dekarl, could be again |
| [10:18:01] | tpowa: | the segfault also happens inside the film |
| [10:25:15] | tpowa: | jya, btw you can reproduce the segfault with my sample file? |
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| [11:13:44] | justinh: | phew. finally sorted out my silly usb tuner taking the 1st device place |
| [11:14:09] | justinh: | a udev rule wasn't cutting it, so I've used adapter_nr as a module option instead |
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| [11:26:29] | justinh: | speaking of tuners, looking at my upcoming recordings I might be able to get away with only 2 tuners |
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| [18:46:56] | fmcd: | does vdr have any advantages over myth backend? |
| [19:03:48] | dekarl: | no (otherwise we wouldn't be using mythtv ;) |
| [19:04:42] | dekarl: | fun aside, VDR has been designed for DVB from the beginning and does support some if its features better |
| [19:05:25] | dekarl: | but mostly its a different development model. think of VDR as the Linux kernel that needs lots of additional software to become a full CVR |
| [19:05:44] | dekarl: | MythTV is more integrated |
| [19:06:08] | dekarl: | fmcd: -^ |
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| [19:13:57] | fmcd: | yeah. flexiabilty is important.. |
| [19:14:03] | fmcd: | flexibility even |
| [19:14:29] | fmcd: | that sounds like VDR is gonna use CPU more efficiently |
| [19:18:58] | fmcd: | i'm about to build a backend, and myth is my preference cos its so well established, but then i see VDR and headend. Choices at every turn with linux :) |
| [19:20:31] | fmcd: | i saw some comment that live channel switching at the frontend was sluggish with myth and less so with VDR.. is that a fair comment? |
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| [19:25:13] | dekarl: | fmcd: livetv and channel changing has been improved lots in the last months, so whatever you heard is likely superseded information |
| [19:25:51] | fmcd: | w00t |
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| [19:28:07] | dekarl: | headend doesn't have a frontend of its own and VDR is designed for all-in-one boxes, whereas mythtv follows a client/server principle |
| [19:28:24] | dekarl: | all can be used with xbmc as a bastarized frontend |
| [19:28:38] | fmcd: | yup. i want the tuners in a headless box |
| [19:28:57] | dekarl: | and the hard disks? |
| [19:29:01] | fmcd: | ideally want to use openElec on a NUC at a frontend |
| [19:29:14] | dekarl: | just thinking of network tuners alot lately |
| [19:29:25] | fmcd: | i have three pcHDTV 5500 cards |
| [19:29:52] | fmcd: | and an old box with 4 x 500gb RAID setup for OpenFiler |
| [19:30:06] | fmcd: | i suppose that could all be brought together |
| [19:31:49] | fmcd: | for live tv, is myth essentially just dumping the raw ATSC datasteam onto the network? |
| [19:32:25] | dekarl: | mythtv always records the service (after filtering out all streams of the service from the ATSC transport) to disk |
| [19:33:07] | dekarl: | then this recording is played back with 1–3 seconds delay. |
| [19:33:34] | fmcd: | the service meaning one sub-channel from the transponder mux? |
| [19:33:52] | dekarl: | correct, program in MPEG terms, service in DVB terms, subchannel in ATSC terms |
| [19:34:04] | fmcd: | ah nomenclature |
| [19:34:26] | fmcd: | ok so it keeps the disk i/o on its toes |
| [19:35:36] | dekarl: | basically you would setup the first disk for OS, database and videos (aka readonly multimedia) and the other three disks for shared recordings/videos |
| [19:35:49] | fmcd: | so when you switch live viewing channel, there's a delay while the 1–3 second buffer reloads? |
| [19:36:19] | dekarl: | then the scheduler can spread the concurrently being written recordings out over three disks while writing the seektable of all recordings etc. to the database disk |
| [19:36:40] | fmcd: | ok |
| [19:36:41] | dekarl: | you have the digital tuning delay, too |
| [19:37:36] | fmcd: | yes |
| [19:37:38] | fmcd: | hmm |
| [19:37:44] | dekarl: | I don't really use livetv for more then testing if its working, so I can't really give first hand impressions |
| [19:38:09] | dekarl: | If you use MythTV correctly then you will use a lot less livetv over the first 6 months :) |
| [19:38:38] | dekarl: | but for the rare ocassion when you really want to channel surf its gotten very usable |
| [19:39:18] | dekarl: | basically the idea is to record everything that you might want to watch so you never run out of unseen tv |
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| [19:39:42] | dekarl: | e.g. all new series, then see which one gets renewed before you start watching |
| [19:40:06] | dekarl: | or simply every movie of genre X rated better then Y |
| [19:41:08] | dekarl: | best is likely to try it and see if it fits to your expectations |
| [19:41:14] | fmcd: | yeah.. that makes sense |
| [19:41:34] | fmcd: | just need to decide if i need a new mobo |
| [19:41:40] | fmcd: | does it transcode on the fly? |
| [19:41:54] | dekarl: | no |
| [19:42:13] | fmcd: | ok |
| [19:42:19] | dekarl: | there have been example calculations showing that transcoding is more expensive then just buying a big hard disk |
| [19:42:25] | fmcd: | heh |
| [19:42:32] | dekarl: | basically its record -> watch -> delete |
| [19:42:33] | fmcd: | but it can i assume |
| [19:42:52] | fmcd: | if you wanted to remote in from a WAN and do a sort of slingbox effort |
| [19:43:40] | dekarl: | you may be interested in something like http://www.silicondust.com/products/models/hdtc-2us/ which transcodes in hardware => more power efficient |
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| [19:46:02] | fmcd: | interesitng. you can use that as a tuner source for myth as well as its own transcoding stream output |
| [19:46:06] | fmcd: | ? |
| [19:48:36] | dekarl: | you can use that as network tuner, that removed the MPEG-2 video from the channel and transparently replaces it with the transcoded H.264 version of it. So MythTV only sees a H.264 tv signal coming down the pipe |
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| [19:50:00] | fmcd: | interesting option. i think i'll build something with the tuner cards i have to start with |
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| [19:52:37] | dekarl: | fmcd: are you already a Schedules Direct member? |
| [19:52:51] | dekarl: | the mythtv scheduler works best with good guide data :) |
| [19:53:04] | fmcd: | no |
| [19:53:13] | fmcd: | havent quite got that far :) |
| [19:54:15] | fmcd: | that looks like money well spent |
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| [19:54:30] | dekarl: | gtg, just setup the box, then try their guide for a week |
| [19:54:39] | fmcd: | sweet. thanks. |
| [19:55:16] | sphery: | fmcd: make sure you start with the 7-day free trial of Schedules Direct (and then you'll see it will be money well spent :) |
| [19:55:46] | sphery: | (even if you're sure you're going to sign up, take advantage of the one free week "bonus" for new members) |
| [19:55:59] | fmcd: | shpery.. makes sense |
| [19:56:42] | fmcd: | gotta make this work well. have a Windows Media Center fanboi neighbor |
| [20:14:55] | fmcd: | trying to find how much disk space for 1 hour of 1080i ATSC stream without transcoding? |
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| [21:24:54] | Quantum`: | Is it posible for subtitles to be built in to an .mkv? |
| [21:26:31] | dekarl: | Quantum`: yes |
| [21:27:05] | dekarl: | http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/subtitles/index.html |
| [21:29:33] | Quantum`: | Interesting. I find that Grand Illusion has them. |
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| [23:15:38] | bill6502: | jya: The patch in the pastebin you mentioned over in the developer's channel is working well so far. Leaving for a concert now, but will see if my 'normal' scheduled programs work as well. Thanks for all your work on this issue! |
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| [23:38:47] | blisbell820: | simple question every time I reboot my hvr 1600 analog tuner is either video0 or video3 how do I get it to stay at video0 |
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