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| [01:33:17] | wagnerrp: | dmfrey: shoot |
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| [01:48:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: So, I'm loving it every time I hear about Docker and Google's lmctfy (Let Me Contain That For You). |
| [01:48:46] | sphery: | Now all the cool kids are doing containerization, so maybe people will start to realize they don't need to run MythTV in a Linux VM on a Linux host. |
| [01:48:59] | wagnerrp: | indeed |
| [01:50:08] | sphery: | the best part will be when someone inevitably says you've been wrong all these years and MythTV should be "virtualized" in a "docker" or something |
| [01:50:37] | sphery: | (not sure how they'll claim you weren't right all these years, but I'm sure it will happen) |
| [01:51:42] | wagnerrp: | but adding virtualization will bring out the full performance of the machine... |
| [01:51:51] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [01:52:16] | sphery: | Someone is bound to say, "Yeah, Google may run everything in a container, but they run those containers in VM's, so that's what I need to do." |
| [01:52:39] | wagnerrp: | why would they run containers in a vm? |
| [01:52:44] | sphery: | (since the average MythTV user's server farm is nearly as large as Google's) |
| [01:53:25] | wagnerrp: | perl bindings read config.xml, right? |
| [01:53:58] | sphery: | they're still using virtualization for security to prevent contamination if someone breaks out of the container |
| [01:54:04] | sphery: | AIUI, at least |
| [01:54:11] | sphery: | and, yes, perl bindigns read config.xml |
| [01:54:36] | wagnerrp: | but if they're running vms, why bother with containers? |
| [01:54:43] | sphery: | but within those VMs, everything is in a container |
| [01:54:58] | sphery: | minimize number of VMs because of performance? |
| [01:55:35] | wagnerrp: | the OS overhead of each of those individual VMs? |
| [01:55:45] | sphery: | perhaps... just guessing |
| [02:05:34] | Hydr0p0nX: | so disappointed =/ |
| [02:05:56] | Hydr0p0nX: | still haven't figured out how to get my RGBY buttons working on my remote |
| [02:08:59] | Hydr0p0nX: | as for the containerization thing everything's been headed (Back) that way for a while, hasn't it ? |
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| [02:14:02] | dmfrey: | wagnerrp, let me grab the pastebin i created for it |
| [02:14:26] | dmfrey: | he gave me a script to try to verify the bindings were working correctly |
| [02:18:52] | dmfrey: | wagnerrp, here is the output: http://pastebin.com/5H1wMsh7 |
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| [02:21:09] | dmfrey: | i tried stepping through the code with a debugger and it looks like the Record is uninitialized |
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| [02:27:48] | wagnerrp: | it would help if my backend were running... |
| [02:29:03] | wagnerrp: | anyway, that works fine for me here |
| [02:29:40] | wagnerrp: | i'm not sure what this... File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> ... means |
| [02:29:55] | wagnerrp: | it's like the interpreter shell is unhappy with something you entered in the terminal |
| [02:30:42] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, i'm not thinking straight |
| [02:30:56] | wagnerrp: | stopiteration in fromquery... |
| [02:32:50] | wagnerrp: | it's trying to pull the recording template, and not finding it |
| [02:32:58] | wagnerrp: | and there's no error handling for that scenario |
| [02:33:23] | wagnerrp: | the recording template pre-populates the new rule with default values, before overlaying it with those values you've defined |
| [02:35:10] | wagnerrp: | select title from record where title like '%(Template)'; |
| [02:35:18] | wagnerrp: | dmfrey: ^^^ |
| [02:37:49] | wagnerrp: | looks like templates got added in schema 1301 |
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| [02:56:25] | dmfrey: | wagnerrp, so i am missing something from a previous upgrade? |
| [02:57:21] | wagnerrp: | do you get any results from that query? |
| [02:57:50] | dmfrey: | one sec, let be get on the box |
| [02:58:04] | wagnerrp: | can't do it over ssh? |
| [02:58:57] | dmfrey: | yes, i just need to get over there |
| [03:00:14] | dmfrey: | got 0 results |
| [03:00:39] | wagnerrp: | you should have a default template |
| [03:00:51] | wagnerrp: | if you don't, you have a failed schema update |
| [03:01:33] | dmfrey: | i don't recall seeing any errors, how long ago was 1301? |
| [03:01:50] | dmfrey: | system works fine too |
| [03:02:02] | dmfrey: | is it something I can re-add? |
| [03:02:09] | dmfrey: | i mean re-run |
| [03:02:17] | wagnerrp: | looks like two years ago |
| [03:02:21] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [03:02:23] | dmfrey: | yikes |
| [03:02:25] | wagnerrp: | you can manually create a template |
| [03:03:10] | dmfrey: | should there be a template table? |
| [03:03:41] | wagnerrp: | no, the templates are just normal recording rules, identified with a "... (Template)" title |
| [03:03:55] | dmfrey: | oh |
| [03:07:05] | dmfrey: | i see where the code change that occurred for this |
| [03:07:09] | dmfrey: | in 0.26 |
| [03:07:22] | dmfrey: | not seeing any sql insert statements for it, however |
| [03:07:33] | dmfrey: | how many templates do you have in yours? |
| [03:07:40] | wagnerrp: | just the one default |
| [03:08:16] | wagnerrp: | there is no direct sql. it uses the logic to generate an insert |
| [03:08:43] | wagnerrp: | since it's pulling values out of all sorts of existing configuration settings |
| [03:08:47] | dmfrey: | gotcha |
| [03:09:18] | dmfrey: | can you pastebin the output of yours?, i will manually create the insert for it |
| [03:13:59] | dmfrey: | brb, gotta take the dog out |
| [03:18:37] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/N9cBx3K8 |
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| [04:57:43] | azizLIGHT: | how do we record hdmi if "Nearly any device you may wish to record HDMI from will also be using HDCP to encrypt the stream, and as such cannot be used." |
| [04:57:57] | azizLIGHT: | there is no such thing as a hdmi recording device? |
| [04:58:02] | [R]: | you dont record hdmi |
| [04:58:08] | [R]: | didnt i alraedy tell you that |
| [04:58:18] | azizLIGHT: | yes you did |
| [05:05:38] | azizLIGHT: | [R]: what if i used a hdmi to composite/component cable (convert digital to analog) |
| [05:05:53] | [R]: | that would be quite illegal |
| [05:05:58] | azizLIGHT: | oh |
| [05:06:04] | azizLIGHT: | didnt know that, sorry |
| [05:06:37] | azizLIGHT: | but this is what those guys on youtube probably do right.... theyre doign illegal stuff then? |
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| [05:07:42] | [R]: | how should i know |
| [05:07:46] | [R]: | we dont discuss illegal thinsg in here |
| [05:07:54] | azizLIGHT: | ok, sorry |
| [05:08:07] | azizLIGHT: | thanks for helping me understand this though, [R] |
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| [06:06:52] | jst_: | Does anyone know why MythTV packages aren't appearing in the ATrpms/EL7 repository? I see a few packages for themes and MythWeb, but nothing else. |
| [06:07:55] | [R]: | you'll have to ask the maintainer |
| [06:09:21] | jst_: | Yeah, I don't know how, other than joining the mailing list. Worth a shot, right? :) |
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| [07:38:11] | dekarl: | haha, google does run everything in containers and they are not virtualized :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRwPSFpLX8I |
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| [07:43:30] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v dekarl1 | |
| [07:44:02] | dekarl1: | [R] why is creating an analog hole more illegal then using an existing one? |
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| [11:38:36] | justinh: | wha? are people really saying it's illegal to record from HDMI now? |
| [11:39:57] | wagnerrp: | according to the DMCA, on a stream protected by HDCP, yes |
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| [11:40:54] | justinh: | yeah but if you just buy a converter, say between HDMI & component, then use a component capture devcie like the HDPVR... who's to know? |
| [11:41:24] | wagnerrp: | then you're not capturing hdmi |
| [11:42:11] | justinh: | not directly, sure |
| [11:43:23] | wagnerrp: | more importantly, you're not breaching hdcp, you're just working around it |
| [11:43:32] | wagnerrp: | so there's nothing in violation of the dmca |
| [11:43:45] | justinh: | heh |
| [11:45:09] | justinh: | Ooo. This X2go thingy looks nice, since it appears I can't get freenx-server for ubuntu 14.04 |
| [11:48:15] | justinh: | .. that is, it'll be nice if I can find out how to change the port it runs on |
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| [11:54:36] | justinh: | hmm maybe it just uses SSH, which in my case isn't running on port 22 anyway |
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| [13:04:46] | cbovy: | hi all, recently I deployed a new frontend (latest mythbuntu on zotac id42). I'm experiencing some a/v sync issues when forwarding/rewinding recorded shows. Pausing usually helps. Could commit 195eb07fb1 resolve this? |
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| [17:25:51] | dekarl: | oh, I never knew that there are so many different containers. http://www.datacentermap.com/blog/datacenter-container-55.html After the early hype cycle I never heard of them again. (back when Sun was still Sun and Google got their first big airliner. Notice that there appear to be no ULD datacenters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_load_device ) |
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| [17:45:04] | Zenther: | Hello, I changed some ip's aruond and now I am getting "Failed to Scan SG Video Hosts: lt-htpc If they no longer exist please remove them" when I do a scan. How do I fix this? |
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| [20:16:41] | justinh: | note to self.. don't leave Chromium or Firefox open on another desktop space or it'll clag up the CPU |
| [20:17:08] | justinh: | just a gentle reminder I could really use MOARCPU or go back to a separate frontend. Sigh |
| [20:26:33] | sphery: | Yeah, gotta love that Web 2.0 "run extremely poorly-written, unoptimized JavaScript code written by random people all over the web on the client so we can make a website with bling" approach |
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| [20:57:45] | stuartm: | Yeah! Oh, wait a minute ... |
| [20:57:54] | Zenther: | Hello, I changed some ip's aruond and now I am getting "Failed to Scan SG Video Hosts: lt-htpc If they no longer exist please remove them" when I do a scan. How do I fix this? |
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| [21:19:06] | justinh: | Zenther: I'd think all that kind of stuff would be in mythtv-setup's storage groups pages, no? |
| [21:20:49] | Zenther: | so setting up storage groups on second computer started this? |
| [21:21:22] | Zenther: | I set them up thinking they wouldn't have to download coverart etc ever time I started and paged down the listing of movies |
| [21:24:08] | justinh: | they don't have to download it all again. The delay between loading a page & seeing images is the frontend loading them from the storage groups & locally caching them |
| [21:24:54] | Zenther: | ok, so I don't need storage groups set up on the second frontend specifically in mythtv-setup |
| [21:25:08] | justinh: | definitely not |
| [21:25:39] | dekarl: | no, just get rid of them http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups#Sla . . . nd_Overrides |
| [21:25:42] | Zenther: | just seemed like every time I turned it on and went into videos, it acted that way |
| [21:26:35] | Zenther: | (You will need to specify directory lists for MythVideo Storage Groups on all backends.) can you explain this: |
| [21:27:59] | justinh: | if a machine is a backend where you store stuff, set up storage groups accordingly |
| [21:28:11] | justinh: | if it's just a frontend, don't bother :-) |
| [21:28:42] | Zenther: | ok, sounded like I still needed to set something up but I didn't understand what that was |
| [21:29:03] | justinh: | ARGHH. Why is the backend recording 'two packets of lager & a packet of ****ing crisps' ?????????????!?!?!?!?!1111111 |
| [21:34:33] | stuartm: | search rule? guess appearance by an actor you've set up a rule for? |
| [21:34:55] | stuartm: | either that or someone sat on the remote |
| [21:38:37] | justinh: | wife did it. deliberately apparently |
| [21:41:40] | Zenther: | Trying to delete them, I highlight and press the delete key but nothing happens |
| [21:42:17] | Zenther: | is there an xml or .conf file somewhere I can edit to remove them? |
| [21:42:31] | justinh: | try D instead |
| [21:43:07] | justinh: | FWIW no actual useful settings are stored in any flat text file anywhere ;-) |
| [21:44:08] | justinh: | speaking of deletions, that's 27 recordings and a recording rule gone. My tolerance for junk has lowered. It's bad enough with all the soaps, and that pratt Keith Lemon on my telly |
| [21:44:15] | Zenther: | That did it, thanks |
| [21:44:47] | ** justinh wonders if mythtv uses Del for anything else. ** | |
| [21:45:46] | justinh: | probably be worth submitting a patch to get everything which looks for D being pressed to also look for Del :-) |
| [21:47:42] | Zenther: | one last thing, I go into my media/watch videos I have some tv episode, broken down into sub folders for season, they all display cover art but one, if I go into that one, for season 1 it has cover art, but not before that were the rest do |
| [21:48:41] | justinh: | IIRC if a directory has a picture file and videos inside the picture will be displayed as cover art |
| [21:52:00] | Zenther: | none of the 'directories have artwork in them, mythtv still displays them except for one |
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| [21:52:32] | Zenther: | once I go into that show, it displays folder "season 1" and it has cover art |
| [21:57:48] | Zenther: | http://i.imgur.com/flPzuzH.png <--no cover art |
| [21:58:36] | Zenther: | http://i.imgur.com/iYiOt0R.png <--go in, shows cover art on season 1 |
| [21:59:18] | Zenther: | others on that first screen show cover art there, just this show does not for some reason. Any idea why? |
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| [22:25:44] | justinh: | UserRat... ? Which theme is that? It's not finished |
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