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| [03:08:03] | DreamPCs: | Hey guys, I'm not sure if this is the right channel but I think so. Anyway, I'm having issues setting up mythtv on my htpc setup running XBMC. |
| [03:08:14] | DreamPCs: | The OS is XBMCbuntu (linux) |
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| [03:08:30] | [R]: | this isn't the right channel |
| [03:09:24] | DreamPCs: | I feel this is a mythtv issue but I'm not certain. Where would you suggest? |
| [03:09:31] | [R]: | no, its an xbmc issue |
| [03:09:33] | [R]: | it always is |
| [03:09:59] | wagnerrp: | if he's trying to run mythtv, it's a mythtv issue |
| [03:10:09] | wagnerrp: | if he's trying to connect xbmc to mythtv, it's likely an xbmc issue |
| [03:10:18] | DreamPCs: | Is there a way I can confirm mythtv is functioning properly before assume it's an xbmc issue? |
| [03:10:30] | wagnerrp: | you'll have to elaborate a bit more |
| [03:10:49] | DreamPCs: | Ok, just a sec. I've already done some troubleshooting but I'll give you guys the short version. |
| [03:12:23] | DreamPCs: | So far I've used "mysql -u mythtv -p" to make sure mysql is running properly. I'm able to log in (after adding my user to the mythtv group) so I assume that confirms that mysql is at least running |
| [03:13:01] | DreamPCs: | So then I tried using sudo mythbackend to run the backend, but that's where I start getting errors. |
| [03:13:18] | wagnerrp: | "groups" are a unix thing, unix/linux users and mysql users are completely independent |
| [03:13:36] | wagnerrp: | so adding your user to the 'mythtv' group would do nothing so far as mysql is concerned |
| [03:14:41] | wagnerrp: | you shouldn't be running mythbackend as root |
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| [03:14:54] | wagnerrp: | you should be running it as some unprivileged user that has permissions to access your tuners |
| [03:15:15] | wagnerrp: | most systems configure tuners to be accessible by the "video" group, so add whatever user that is going to run mythbackend to that group |
| [03:15:23] | DreamPCs: | I understand that, but originally the issue was I when trying to watch livetv I got an error from xbmc, so I went to start troubleshooting to see if it was running correctly. |
| [03:15:28] | DreamPCs: | Here's a pastebin if it helps |
| [03:15:28] | DreamPCs: | http://pastebin.com/ugkPipwS |
| [03:15:49] | wagnerrp: | considering you're using ubuntu, and you likely installed mythtv from packages, mythbuntu should take care of all this low level setup for you, and you only need to run the init script |
| [03:16:21] | DreamPCs: | I installed directly from the repos, running apt-get install mythtv |
| [03:16:26] | wagnerrp: | 0.25 or older looks for mysql.txt. 0.26 or newer looks for config.xml |
| [03:16:42] | wagnerrp: | in both cases, it will search $MYTHCONFDIR/, and then $HOME/.mythtv/ |
| [03:17:07] | wagnerrp: | if it's not found in one of those, it will attempt UPNP detection (which will fail since that queries the master backend), and then fall back to the defaults mythtv:mythtv |
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| [03:18:32] | DreamPCs: | Is there a package called mythbuntu (I know there's an OS with the same title) that I should have installed as opposed to mythtv? |
| [03:18:50] | wagnerrp: | the mythtv packages on mythtv are built by the mythbuntu prokect |
| [03:18:57] | wagnerrp: | *on ubuntu |
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| [03:19:14] | DreamPCs: | Ok, understood. |
| [03:19:38] | DreamPCs: | When installing mythtv, I kept all default settings except I created a mysql password |
| [03:21:46] | DreamPCs: | I'm not sure really where to go from here. Based on the pastebin file I linked it looks like I'm having an issue connecting to the database. Access denied to user "mythtv@localhost" |
| [03:21:58] | DreamPCs: | Could that be the problem? |
| [03:22:10] | wagnerrp: | it cannot find your mysql.txt, so it is falling back to defaults |
| [03:22:17] | wagnerrp: | since you used a password other than the default, it cannot connect |
| [03:23:22] | DreamPCs: | jason@HTPC:~$ whereis mysql.txt |
| [03:23:23] | DreamPCs: | mysql: /usr/bin/mysql /etc/mysql /usr/lib/mysql /usr/bin/X11/mysql /usr/share/mysql /usr/share/man/man1/mysql.1.gz — Is one of these the one I should be working with? |
| [03:24:07] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [03:24:23] | wagnerrp: | when you run mythtv-setup, it will create a file in your mythtv config folder named mysql.txt |
| [03:24:32] | wagnerrp: | it is the stored credentials mythtv will use to log into the mysql database |
| [03:25:36] | DreamPCs: | I wasn't even aware of this setup app lol. I'm running it now. |
| [03:25:57] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not currently run until you configure it using that application |
| [03:26:47] | DreamPCs: | Ok, let me ask for clarification. After selecting my country and language I get the error "Mythtv could not connect to the database" and it allows me to configure my settings there. |
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| [03:27:05] | DreamPCs: | In that screen, user and pass are set to default which is what I left it as when I installed it |
| [03:27:17] | DreamPCs: | I did set a root password for mysql however, does that matter? |
| [03:27:30] | wagnerrp: | we don't use the root password for database access |
| [03:27:46] | DreamPCs: | Ok, cool. Let me see if I can configure it. |
| [03:29:01] | DreamPCs: | Ok, after leaving the default settings it's still unable to connect to the database. Same error as before (the generic one) |
| [03:29:16] | wagnerrp: | did you ever create the actual database? |
| [03:29:41] | DreamPCs: | No lol I don't believe I did unless I was prompted on the installation |
| [03:29:42] | wagnerrp: | normally there is a mc.sql that you feed into the mysql terminal client to create the database and set up basic user permissions |
| [03:29:58] | wagnerrp: | the mythbuntu packages usually do this automatically, if you install the correct package |
| [03:30:00] | DreamPCs: | I did not come across the mc.sql file at all |
| [03:30:54] | DreamPCs: | To install mythtv, all I did was apt-get install mythtv and afterwords I enabled the plug-in in xbmc |
| [03:31:08] | DreamPCs: | I don't think the installation took me through creating a database. |
| [03:36:49] | DreamPCs: | So when doing the setup, it asks "Username used by MythTV to access its database" |
| [03:36:55] | DreamPCs: | Default is mythtv |
| [03:37:08] | DreamPCs: | Should I change it to the user who logs in to my htpc? |
| [03:37:57] | wagnerrp: | again, system users and mysql users are completely independent |
| [03:38:29] | DreamPCs: | Ok, I'm sorry, I'm just trying to figure this out. So I'll leave both the user and pass as default |
| [03:38:49] | wagnerrp: | on your database server, do you have a database named 'mythconverg'? |
| [03:39:19] | DreamPCs: | That's the default name but how do I check if I have the actual database on the computer? |
| [03:39:49] | wagnerrp: | log into mysql as root, and run 'show databases;' |
| [03:39:59] | DreamPCs: | 1 sec |
| [03:40:53] | DreamPCs: | Yes, it's listed there. |
| [03:41:20] | wagnerrp: | then something created it |
| [03:41:48] | wagnerrp: | run 'grant all on mythconverg.* to "mythtv"@"locahost" identified by "whatever password you want";' |
| [03:42:51] | DreamPCs: | password in quotes? |
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| [03:43:23] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:44:09] | DreamPCs: | ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'indentified by "mythtv"' at line 1 |
| [03:44:20] | wagnerrp: | identified |
| [03:44:35] | DreamPCs: | Whoops lol nice catch |
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| [03:45:11] | DreamPCs: | ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' to database 'mythconverg' |
| [03:51:22] | clever: | you have to give mythtv-setup the same pw that you put in the mysql shell |
| [03:52:06] | clever: | which appears to be mythtv |
| [03:55:44] | DreamPCs: | Yes, I used that because it was the default. I'm running the GUI setup now and the username and pass are both mythtv |
| [03:56:10] | DreamPCs: | But even if the mysql shell, it won't allow me to "grant all" because it still tells me access denied |
| [03:56:29] | clever: | you must login to the mysql shell as root to grant all |
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| [04:00:17] | DreamPCs: | Ok I didn't get the error this time (when granting all) I'l going to check to see if this resolved the issue. |
| [04:01:39] | DreamPCs: | That did it, now I was able to pass that step on the mythtv setup |
| [04:01:52] | DreamPCs: | I'm going through the options now. |
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| [04:03:09] | DreamPCs: | Is the a CLI for mythtv setup? I'm configuring over ssh |
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| [04:04:11] | clever: | use ssh -X |
| [04:04:39] | DreamPCs: | That's what I'm using, it's just sluggish lol and my mouse pointer keeps disappearing |
| [04:04:56] | clever: | its supposed to disapear, the UI is meant to be used only by a remote |
| [04:05:02] | wagnerrp: | shouldn't be sluggish unless you're doing it over the internet, or maybe wireless |
| [04:05:19] | wagnerrp: | and while the mouse can be used in the UI, it doesn't function very well |
| [04:07:31] | DreamPCs: | Yeah it's over WiFI. It's still a bit more sluggish than I would have anticipated but I won't complain as it works. |
| [04:11:35] | dekarl: | you can start setup with -geometry 1024x576 to reduced the size a bit |
| [04:12:33] | DreamPCs: | Thank you, I decided to login to openbox on the htpc but I don't know how to about the terminal (or any menus) with this desktop environment without a mouse |
| [04:13:18] | DreamPCs: | CTRL+ALT+T didn't open a termal and I don't know how to get the other menus open but I'm checking online right now. |
| [04:13:45] | clever: | alt+f2 sometimes opens a run dialog |
| [04:15:06] | DreamPCs: | Yeah that didn't work either. Geez let me go find a mouse lol |
| [04:16:29] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup -O HideMouseCursor=0 |
| [04:16:42] | wagnerrp: | don't expect it to work well |
| [04:16:48] | wagnerrp: | you're still better off with the keyboard |
| [04:17:29] | wagnerrp: | oh... find a mouse to attach to the machine |
| [04:17:34] | wagnerrp: | not display the mouse cursor |
| [04:17:38] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [04:22:23] | DreamPCs: | Ok guys, is there a simple way to see if my tv tuner card is detected/supported? |
| [04:22:39] | DreamPCs: | I don't know exactly which one it is but I'll take a look at it |
| [04:22:52] | [R]: | DreamPCs: what kind of a card is it? |
| [04:27:10] | DreamPCs: | Sony BTF-PA402z |
| [04:28:56] | wagnerrp: | the only sony tuner i've ever heard of people using is the playtv |
| [04:29:03] | wagnerrp: | and that's a USB DVB tuner for the PS3 |
| [04:30:45] | DreamPCs: | Yeah online is not looking so good. Looks like I might have to use Windows XP. |
| [04:30:46] | DreamPCs: | Yay |
| [04:31:08] | wagnerrp: | meaning windows mce? |
| [04:32:38] | DreamPCs: | Or perhaps MCE, I'd still install XBMC over that anyhow assuming I even go the Windows route |
| [04:32:59] | wagnerrp: | just stating that mythbackend does not run on windows |
| [04:33:24] | wagnerrp: | you could potentially get it to compile and run, but we don't support their capture interfaces |
| [04:34:29] | DreamPCs: | Oh geez... Looks like a no win so far. |
| [04:35:15] | DreamPCs: | And the backend has to be on the same machine with the TV tuner card, right? |
| [04:35:28] | wagnerrp: | yes, the backend records using the tuner card |
| [04:36:00] | DreamPCs: | That's what I figured. |
| [04:36:18] | DreamPCs: | Well I guess this is the price I pay for a free tuner card. |
| [04:36:50] | wagnerrp: | usually the first step of setting up mythtv is selecting hardware that works under linux |
| [04:39:14] | DreamPCs: | Yeah I know, I just kinda jumped the gun and hoped for the best as a friend handed me this capture card. |
| [04:39:25] | DreamPCs: | But you're right, I absolutely should have done my homework first. |
| [04:39:44] | DreamPCs: | At least it should be a simpler setup when I purchase a compatible card. |
| [04:40:14] | wagnerrp: | brighthouse, so you're in the US |
| [04:40:21] | wagnerrp: | that's an analog tuner |
| [04:40:32] | wagnerrp: | meaning you would likely only be able to use it to capture off a digital cable box |
| [04:41:37] | DreamPCs: | That's fine, I have an extra digitcal cablebox here, but I really wanted it to hook my my xbox via the RCA cables |
| [04:42:05] | wagnerrp: | to... record games or play them on the PC? |
| [04:42:25] | DreamPCs: | Play. Possibly record. |
| [04:42:32] | wagnerrp: | not an option |
| [04:43:01] | clever: | mythtv adds a few seconds of lag |
| [04:43:05] | wagnerrp: | being a DVR, mythtv necessarily puts enough latency even in "live" mode that playing games over it would be impossible |
| [04:43:16] | wagnerrp: | you _might_ be able to get by with something like tvtime |
| [04:43:37] | wagnerrp: | but all it does is shuffle bits out of the capture cards frame buffer and into the video cards frame buffer |
| [04:44:01] | DreamPCs: | This is not looking like a very productive evening for me lol. |
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| [04:49:53] | DreamPCs: | Hey guys thanks for all your help with everything! I'm going to call it quits for the evening and look into getting another supported tuner card. |
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| [10:52:47] | tpowa: | Is it possible in mythweb Video section to refresh the list in mythweb or do I always need to call this from mythfrontend? |
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| [14:25:25] | tpowa: | wagnerrp, is the mythweb brokeness due to video storage group still valid? |
| [14:25:32] | tpowa: | http://www.mythtvtalk.com/mythweb-0-24-not-sh . . . nails-14635/ |
| [14:26:01] | tpowa: | using 0.27.1 here and don't get a scan collection button etc. |
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| [19:54:41] | chad__: | Greetings. I'm trying to get a Rosewill RHRC-11001 MCE remote working with my frontend (or in general) without success. The way I read the documentation it seemed like MCE remotes are supposed to Just Work, but that's not my experience. |
| [19:55:39] | chad__: | http://pastebin.com/aaFdHtJj shows my dmesg output: time 664 is me manually running `modprobe mceusb`, while time 1137 is me unplugging and reconnecting the IR receiver. |
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| [19:56:21] | chad__: | I'm not getting devices /dev/lirc or anything in /dev/input/, but it's not actually clear that I should be. |
| [19:56:42] | chad__: | Any advice would be appreciated. (Debian Wheezy, by the way) |
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| [22:06:19] | loganRun: | I upgraded my ubuntu box and now my system is borked. my recorder is offline. How do I fix this? |
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| [22:18:18] | loganRun: | how can I debug why the video capture device is not working |
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| [22:21:44] | loganRun: | I upgraded my ubuntu box and now my system is broken. my recorder is offline. How do I fix this? |
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| [22:30:06] | loganRun: | mythtv just says my video card has an erro |
| [22:30:09] | loganRun: | what the heck |
| [22:30:20] | loganRun: | how do I figure out what is wrong |
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