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| [10:50:46] | stuarta!~stuarta@mythtv/developer/stuarta changes topic to Welcome to the MythTV user-to-user support channel | Stable release: 0.27.1 | FAQ http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC | Forum https://forum.mythtv.org | Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ | Use http://pastebin.com | Piracy is not tolerated | |
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| [16:09:26] | Quantum`: | [776596.641335] ata1: hard resetting link |
| [16:09:26] | Quantum`: | [776602.006483] ata1: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0) |
| [16:09:41] | Quantum`: | Is ata1 going to be sda or sdb? |
| [16:10:59] | sphery: | depends--often differs per boot |
| [16:11:09] | sphery: | check your system logs, and they'll give you clues |
| [16:13:13] | sphery: | things like: May 17 11:20:59 mythbox kernel: ata1.00: ATA-8: ST31500343AS, SD35, max UDMA/133 |
| [16:13:40] | Quantum`: | udevadm info /dev/sda tells me it is indeed sda. |
| [16:13:59] | Quantum`: | WD Black failing. Dang, I guess it's time for flash. |
| [16:14:01] | sphery: | or that :) |
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| [17:09:32] | Quantum`: | What's the best way to check how much of my drive is used? df -h tells me the partitions, but I need to make sure that's all that's being used. (besides swap). |
| [17:15:26] | ctmjr: | df -h --total |
| [17:17:04] | Quantum`: | Looks like it doesn't let you specify just one drive, so it gives all of them including network. |
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| [18:04:21] | clever: | Quantum`: -x limits it to one partition |
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| [20:08:59] | stuarta: | Quantum`: you mean on the physical drives themselves? |
| [20:18:45] | Quantum`: | stuarta: Y. I need to replace the drive and I want to make sure the new one is large enough. |
| [20:25:45] | justinh: | df -h |grep sdWHATEVER works for me :-) |
| [20:26:46] | stuarta: | Quantum`: do you use LVM? |
| [20:27:09] | stuarta: | justinh: that's completely irrelevant if you use lvm |
| [20:27:37] | justinh: | doh |
| [20:28:19] | justinh: | I'm about to cut my storage *down* soon. Trying to delete as much as possible TV wise, then I'll only have 1TB for recordings.. and a less noisy box in the lounge |
| [20:28:51] | stuarta: | Quantum`: but what's wrong with just doing fdisk -l /dev/<drive> ?? |
| [20:29:10] | justinh: | I gave up on the idea of hiding the combined FE/BE box. There's just too much work involved in getting cables from A to B |
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| [20:46:34] | Quantum`: | stuarta: fdisk shows blocks. Who knows what a block is anymore, with advanced formatting. |
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| [20:57:41] | justinh: | Quantum`: fdisk -l /dev/sda here shows : Disk /dev/sda: 1000.2 GB |
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| [20:58:44] | Quantum`: | Oh, sure in the headers. |
| [20:59:23] | Quantum`: | Thanks, but I need space used on the whole drive. |
| [21:01:19] | justinh: | so just do df -h |grep sdWHATEVER & add them up yourself |
| [21:01:52] | stuarta: | Quantum`: try pvs |
| [21:02:04] | Quantum`: | I have. There are 3 partitions visible and I know there's at least one more. |
| [21:02:31] | justinh: | ah |
| [21:02:52] | Quantum`: | (not using lvm) |
| [21:02:57] | justinh: | there's a GPT equivalent of fdisk I think |
| [21:03:27] | Quantum`: | It's mbr. |
| [21:03:42] | Quantum`: | er, the old, not gpt. |
| [21:05:07] | justinh: | if it's mounted, df will list it |
| [21:05:22] | Quantum`: | Not swap, etc. |
| [21:05:43] | Quantum`: | I need to replace the drive. It's a 320GB WD Black. |
| [21:05:57] | Quantum`: | Failing intermm, so I need to replace it. |
| [21:06:05] | justinh: | so just bung something bigger in there & you'll be safe |
| [21:06:23] | justinh: | you can always plan to grow a partition later |
| [21:06:24] | Quantum`: | Trying to find if a 256GB SSD would do it for me, even with Xen. |
| [21:06:53] | Quantum`: | Want to avoid LVM. Seems to me like a kludge. |
| [21:07:16] | stuarta: | hardly, lvm is the most awesome storage abstraction ever |
| [21:07:33] | Quantum`: | Not to me. It's another layer. |
| [21:07:49] | stuarta: | i'm currently running 3 vm's on my laptop all using thin provisioned storage from an LV |
| [21:07:58] | Quantum`: | Complex == not secure or always stable. |
| [21:08:37] | stuarta: | the flexibility it offers far outweighs any perceived overhead |
| [21:08:58] | justinh: | I used to use LVM at work. I liked what it had to offer |
| [21:09:24] | Quantum`: | I just don't trust it. It's a choice. |
| [21:10:22] | justinh: | I see no need for it at home but understand some folks like it. It took a while to get there ;-) |
| [21:12:01] | Quantum`: | Anyway, it looks like sda1 /boot uses 48M, sda3 / uses17G and sda4 /scrap uses 16k. I'm pretty sure swap is 10G, so a 256GB SSD drive should cover it. |
| [21:12:22] | Quantum`: | Ya I'd rather focus my effort on microkernel. (Xen) |
| [21:13:03] | stuarta: | well swap size you would get from fdisk output |
| [21:13:36] | Quantum`: | (in blocks) |
| [21:13:57] | justinh: | uh. virtualising mythtv. God, I WISH |
| [21:14:21] | justinh: | oh wait.. myth in a VM still needs physical connections to the real world |
| [21:14:45] | stuarta: | Quantum`: parted <dev> print |
| [21:14:48] | Quantum`: | Xen can do it. |
| [21:15:16] | stuarta: | justinh: well not if you use network tuners |
| [21:15:22] | justinh: | I still keep wondering if just a NAS box attached to the home network will do, and a freeviewHD PVR alongside |
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| [21:15:52] | Quantum`: | Ok, swap is 10G |
| [21:15:53] | justinh: | stuarta: WHAT network tuners? The HDHR UK version is SD only |
| [21:16:27] | stuarta: | it would be a curious experiment to try usb passthru from the hypervisor to the gues |
| [21:16:30] | stuarta: | guest |
| [21:16:35] | justinh: | stuarta: and it'd still need a network connection. I wouldn't trust wifi with telly |
| [21:16:48] | stuarta: | aye |
| [21:16:54] | Quantum`: | It's a trend to build microboxen for HDTV, but my system is completely silent and with four disks it shows HD in Myth using 65 watts. |
| [21:17:25] | justinh: | my backend used to run much quieter. Now it needs new fans, new PSU.. and maybe new disks |
| [21:17:41] | Quantum`: | 3 WD Greens, 2TB each in a ZFS array. |
| [21:17:47] | justinh: | and it used to live in the damn cupboard under the stairs cos it was fricking easy to run wires around |
| [21:18:21] | justinh: | I've just added a 20cm side fan to the case to keep the tuners cool cos they're getting hot in their old age |
| [21:18:23] | stuarta: | i'm happy with my hp microserver |
| [21:18:40] | Quantum`: | My sda is failing so it's about to get an SSD. And I'm replacing the 2TB with one 4TB as I'm out of room in the case. |
| [21:19:01] | justinh: | cos it's only my wife's telly (most of the time) I might just say sod it.. 2 USB tuners |
| [21:19:24] | justinh: | funny, the older I get, the less tech I want |
| [21:19:27] | Quantum`: | (I feel sorry for you guys with these tuners...) |
| [21:19:43] | stuarta: | i don't :) |
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| [21:20:53] | justinh: | every niggly thought I get I have to make myself remember how much the 'alternatives' suck |
| [21:21:32] | Quantum`: | I've been completely happy with my recording system for 5 years. |
| [21:21:42] | Quantum`: | R5000. {ducks} |
| [21:21:54] | justinh: | I was happy with mine, when the bastard thing was in a cupboard where I couldn't hear it |
| [21:22:15] | justinh: | and I'm damned if I'm gonna buy a new case, silent HDD enclosures or whatever |
| [21:22:32] | Quantum`: | I don't blame you. |
| [21:22:36] | justinh: | if I end up buying new gear I'll be inflicting a YouView box on the missus |
| [21:23:33] | Quantum`: | I'd whipped my system up into a gargling water-cooled LiteCoin mining monster for a while, but have wound that down now that difficulty is in the stratosphere. |
| [21:24:04] | justinh: | that ship has sailed for mere mortals with $$$ |
| [21:24:09] | Quantum`: | It was still faithfully recording everything on Dish. |
| [21:24:47] | Quantum`: | Yeah, but there are new breakthroughs, like Kimido Gravity Well, and X11. |
| [21:25:22] | Quantum`: | Kimodo |
| [21:25:42] | Quantum`: | Inherent mixmaster... |
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| [21:25:52] | Quantum`: | (ref: DarkCoin) |
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| [21:32:56] | KjetilK: | I recently upgraded my box to 0.27.1+fixes.20140528.81c77ba, just after I moved to a new place, where I for now have DVB-T, a small number of unencrypted channels |
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| [21:33:44] | KjetilK: | when I try to start Live TV, I usually get a "please wait" message, or sometimes just a OSD |
| [21:34:01] | KjetilK: | In my mythfrontend log, I see this: http://pastebin.com/3EX5cTJw |
| [21:34:07] | KjetilK: | which does seem relevant |
| [21:35:05] | KjetilK: | I looked at the code, but that didn't make me any wiser, so I was wondering if someone can clue me in to what I'm doing wrong here? |
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| [21:42:05] | justinh: | KjetilK: look in the backend log |
| [21:42:56] | justinh: | not being able to read the file might mean there's no actual file to read |
| [21:44:19] | KjetilK: | justinh, actually, the file is there and still growing steadily |
| [21:45:14] | KjetilK: | aha, lets see |
| [21:46:01] | KjetilK: | no, doesn't seem awfully relevant |
| [21:46:43] | KjetilK: | that is, I have lots of records in my database that isn't matched to a file, I had some problems with my previous cable company |
| [21:47:07] | KjetilK: | can I easily purge all of those somehow, just to do something sensible? |
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| [21:47:35] | justinh: | just look for 0 byte recordings in mythfrontend & delete them |
| [21:47:40] | justinh: | or in mythweb |
| [21:48:00] | justinh: | but that won't have anything to do with livetv not working |
| [21:48:29] | justinh: | though if the channel you're recording is encrypted maybe the file will be growing but you won't be able to decode it.. |
| [21:48:45] | justinh: | I dunno what mythtv does with encrypted TV & how it acts if it can't be decrypted |
| [21:49:35] | ** KjetilK nods ** | |
| [21:49:48] | KjetilK: | actually, all these channels should be cleartext |
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| [21:50:10] | KjetilK: | here's my backend log: http://pastebin.com/4N2mHGZR |
| [21:50:48] | ** KjetilK feels like writing a SQL statement to delete them all... :-) ** | |
| [21:53:18] | justinh: | Oh dear. Your database isn't in the best of health |
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| [22:01:37] | ** KjetilK nods ** | |
| [22:01:38] | KjetilK: | OK; how about |
| [22:01:38] | KjetilK: | DELETE FROM recorded WHERE filesize=0; |
| [22:01:38] | KjetilK: | does that sound reasonable? |
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| [22:01:39] | natanojl: | KjetilK: It would be safer to use find_orphans.py http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
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| [22:01:39] | ** KjetilK looks ** | |
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| [22:01:58] | KjetilK: | natanojl, thanks, but it says it is for up to 0.26, do you know if it simply hasn't been updated? |
| [22:04:10] | ** KjetilK shakes his fist at Python: "Why make whitespace significant and break cutnpaste that doesn't preserve it?" ** | |
| [22:04:12] | KjetilK: | :-) |
| [22:05:07] | KjetilK: | can I download the script rather than cutnpaste it? |
| [22:05:34] | natanojl: | KjetilK: It uses the MythTv Python bindings so it should hopefully work |
| [22:07:31] | KjetilK: | natanojl, cool, but I have to solve the whitespace problem :-/ |
| [22:08:24] | natanojl: | KjetilK: The command mythwikiscripts should allow you to download scripts from the wiki but I've never used it. That said, I had no problems pasting it into a new file :) |
| [22:09:10] | KjetilK: | :-) |
| [22:09:48] | ** KjetilK tries emacs... ** | |
| [22:09:49] | natanojl: | mythwikiscripts didn't seem to do its magic |
| [22:10:23] | natanojl: | KjetilK: If you pasted it into vim, try :set paste first |
| [22:10:41] | KjetilK: | emacs++ # :-) |
| [22:13:10] | natanojl: | no way, well, maybe with Evil ;) |
| [22:14:22] | KjetilK: | :-) |
| [22:14:59] | KjetilK: | weirdness, it fails to delete most of the entries... |
| [22:17:52] | natanojl: | It might take a while before the backend has completed all the deletions |
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| [22:18:31] | KjetilK: | yesh, but it says stuff like |
| [22:18:35] | KjetilK: | Are you sure you want to continue? |
| [22:18:36] | KjetilK: | > yes |
| [22:18:38] | KjetilK: | Warning: Failed to delete 'tigger: Mythbusters' |
| [22:18:54] | KjetilK: | and it manages to delete a few recordings every time I do it |
| [22:19:08] | KjetilK: | down to 32 now |
| [22:21:49] | KjetilK: | ok, the cleanup should be complete |
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| [22:37:02] | justinh: | whee I'm down to 59% used in the recordings SG now |
| [22:37:43] | justinh: | a combination of deletions & lossless transcodes doing away with all the junk in recordings we don't need like AD & subtitles |
| [22:37:52] | KjetilK: | ouch, I'm not getting the main menu on the screen now... |
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| [22:49:54] | KjetilK: | mplayer can't parse the file either: http://pastebin.com/RP4BMsJB |
| [22:50:11] | KjetilK: | so, I suppose there's something wrong with my video source setup |
| [22:50:27] | KjetilK: | it says it detects a file format, though |
| [22:51:12] | KjetilK: | hmmm, the warning about header version, is that a bad sign...? |
| [23:01:16] | ** KjetilK ->bed ; will be back tomorrow ** | |
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| [23:16:33] | justinh: | yup, if you need to find stuff to delete look in the watch list. Heh |
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| [23:26:19] | justinh: | down to just under 50% usage now.. starting the big fat rsync so there'll only be one SG disk |
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