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| [13:38:15] | wayne__: | Hi folks, can anybody recommend a working dual tuner for freesat in the uk? |
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| [15:22:29] | drac_boy: | sorry if this is perhaps a bit ot but any of you know of any decent site that would list what you can get with a reasonable fta setup? |
| [15:24:58] | gregL: | drac_boy, http://www.ftalist.com/index.php A quick google brought this up.. |
| [15:28:50] | drac_boy: | hmm another list thats missing several major companies again ... meh .. guess perhaps I'll have to make up my own list in pieces |
| [15:28:57] | drac_boy: | thanks for that one tho gregl |
| [15:37:41] | AndyCap: | is lyngsat.com still updated? |
| [15:38:33] | AndyCap: | oh, never mind. terrestrial tv |
| [15:41:29] | drac_boy: | andycap yeah lyngsat is a bit biased toward paid or foreign channels last I recall looking (a lot of Bell and Dish listings even) |
| [15:41:55] | drac_boy: | (after all that is dvb-s versus dvb-t right? heh) |
| [15:42:31] | AndyCap: | drac_boy: well, the free tv listings seem ok in places where there actually is free dvb-s :P |
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| [15:42:41] | drac_boy: | andycap mm indeed |
| [15:43:01] | AndyCap: | I guess Germany and the UK are notable |
| [15:43:39] | drac_boy: | anyway I'll still go ahead with picking up an older fta box locally for cheap soon and see what I'm really able to scan for then from that point decide if I want to shell out some money to put a tuner into the computer :) |
| [15:44:06] | drac_boy: | andycap heh..I kinda like germany for a few different reasons – one being them still having lot of isdn internet coverage there. to our own pickings |
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| [15:44:34] | AndyCap: | drac_boy: but you're in the US or europe? |
| [15:45:06] | drac_boy: | canada |
| [15:45:19] | drac_boy: | kinda hate north america sometimes :-s heh |
| [15:46:33] | AndyCap: | ah, never been to canada. but I probably know it from US films. :P |
| [15:48:07] | drac_boy: | I doubt any us films showed royal horse riders or the wild beavers tho? :P |
| [15:48:08] | drac_boy: | heh heh |
| [15:48:31] | AndyCap: | probably not. or the strategic maple syrup reserve |
| [15:48:59] | drac_boy: | heh :) |
| [15:49:28] | AndyCap: | I must admit, ISDN is getting a bit old fashioned |
| [15:49:45] | drac_boy: | andycap well I would love to sign up for isdn right away if it was as common here as it seem to be in germany :| |
| [15:49:48] | drac_boy: | but mm meh |
| [15:50:31] | AndyCap: | but ISDN is preferable to analog for input into say asterisk or LCR |
| [15:51:09] | AndyCap: | canada uses ATSC for digital terrestrial TV? |
| [15:53:59] | AndyCap: | Did buy a cheapish dvb-t usb tuner for my laptop, and ok for testing the waters. |
| [15:54:01] | drac_boy: | atsc yes and somewhat crappy at it too from personal experience in the area here (for being near ottawa...ntsc used to have 6+ channels plus the few french ones .. but atsc finds nothing useable even a year later....) |
| [15:54:22] | AndyCap: | so you are going for satellite? |
| [15:54:25] | drac_boy: | and it didn't help that almost no stores had any atsc tuners or even knew what one was at all |
| [15:54:43] | drac_boy: | (that was the main reason I finally gave up on tv on september 2011...except for a single one just for dvds/etc) |
| [15:54:57] | AndyCap: | I was going to suggest http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/KWorld_ . . . TSC_TV_Stick which was $30 on newegg.ca but the warning about two different models was off-putting |
| [15:56:11] | drac_boy: | andycap by 'atsc tuner' I should mean I was talking about a standalone one .. not a computer one sorry :) |
| [15:56:48] | AndyCap: | drac_boy: come on. you must try mythtv. :P |
| [15:57:22] | drac_boy: | andycap already have..just prefer a simplier box for casual non-pvr watching |
| [15:58:59] | drac_boy: | sorta a dual-solution setup if you want to put it that way :) |
| [16:02:21] | drac_boy: | andycap since we're both here anyway..what kind of mythtv box do you have? |
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| [16:03:35] | AndyCap: | backend a core 2 duo with 2 dvb-c tuners. more storage over NFS. frontend is an intel DG45FC mini-itx board that I built into a ikea box |
| [16:04:54] | AndyCap: | hdmi out. Used to use VGA out to RGB SCART input, but I got a HD display |
| [16:05:20] | drac_boy: | lga775 matx I'm guessing? |
| [16:06:15] | AndyCap: | no, think it's newer. |
| [16:06:54] | drac_boy: | ah ok |
| [16:07:01] | drac_boy: | doesn't sound bad for a simple setup anyway |
| [16:07:25] | AndyCap: | drac_boy: nah, you're right, the backend is lga775 |
| [16:08:06] | AndyCap: | Not recommended. :P http://www.asrock.com/mb/intel/conroe865pe/ |
| [16:08:37] | AndyCap: | the motherboard is ok, it's just that the network interface is stupid. :) |
| [16:09:02] | AndyCap: | sure my macaddress is FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF |
| [16:09:26] | drac_boy: | heh 8101L .. no clue about -that- one |
| [16:09:48] | drac_boy: | only had and liked 8029AS..8139..and mm some other giga chip I forgot |
| [16:10:13] | drac_boy: | other than that for a full atx board thats not too bad tho |
| [16:10:21] | AndyCap: | the intelboard has been nice, once the developers stopped messing with the X drivers. |
| [16:10:43] | drac_boy: | yeah its too bad that intel has been losing interest after the last batches of lga1155 models :/ |
| [16:10:55] | AndyCap: | of course, if you're serious, the frontend should probably have an nvidia gpu |
| [16:12:10] | AndyCap: | and I've been hard pressed to find a small board with a decent cpu and nvidia on-board. |
| [16:20:46] | drac_boy: | oh right sorry heh...anyway my box is somewhat a bit simple... |
| [16:21:33] | drac_boy: | via (not jetway) itx – samsung hdd – samsung slim optical drive – minibox dc psu – and an stillempty pci slot |
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| [16:37:27] | drac_boy: | anyway going eat now..have fun |
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| [16:53:52] | tmkt: | hey hey, is it just me or are the new recording settings a little funky? can't seem to set up recording schedules that reliably work |
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| [17:43:11] | Kwisher_wrk: | anyone know if the bug in .27 with multiple backends has been fixed? |
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| [17:49:29] | dekarl: | Kwisher_wrk: which one? https://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/commit/?h . . . 4f623f4d1892 should land in your nightlies tomorrow or so |
| [17:51:07] | Kwisher_wrk: | not sure, all i know is with .27 my backends would lockup hard, had to go back to .26 |
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| [17:54:44] | Kwisher_wrk: | i really need to migrate to one b/e |
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| [20:35:24] | justinh: | ah the joys of modern motherboards & their lack of a decent number of slots |
| [20:37:10] | justinh: | I'm surprised there's not much more hullaballoo about people making their own networked tuners. Raspberry Pi aside, because its hardware isn't really up to the job of high bandwidth USB *and* networking at the same time, there must be a few cheap SoCs around capable of such a task |
| [20:38:41] | justinh: | I've almost been tempted to take the plunge & get a few dirt cheap USB dvb-t tuners to replace the aging PCI ones I currently use – but for the great unknown.. is USB actually going to be as reliable as I need it to be? |
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| [20:52:21] | SteveGoodey: | justinh: Been quite impressed with the two PCTV290e I'm using. Never noticed any problems. |
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| [21:00:58] | justinh: | SteveGoodey: cool. I've never been quick to recommend USB tuners in the past |
| [21:01:34] | justinh: | I suppose how well things work depends on the underlying chipset (USB host controller) |
| [21:03:00] | justinh: | oh BTW I have a nvidia 6200 or so – obviously no use for heavy VDPAU use, and it's got a 2-pin header for digital audio.. will this be a complete pain in the nuts getting to output audio reliably? |
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| [21:03:34] | justinh: | i.e. am I just better off spending £30 & getting a spanking new card that'll do everything |
| [21:04:38] | justinh: | oh no, not you too Ebuyer.com.. bloody whitespace loving web designers. Scroll. Scroll. SCROLL. SCRRRRRRRRRROOOLLLLLLLLLLLL |
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| [21:17:28] | justinh: | would I need better than a GT220 / GT610 for 2x advanced deinterlacing 50Hz interlaced video? |
| [21:20:37] | justinh: | meh. I'll save my money & just get a 210 |
| [21:21:16] | justinh: | even its deinterlacer is bound to knock software deinterlacing into a cocked hat |
| [21:24:10] | justinh: | oh hang on.. digital audio onto the video card is just gonna be as straightforward as getting digital audio going from the soundcard isn't it.. so as long as whatever the digi audio is connected to supports the format & samplerate it's all good |
| [21:27:35] | justinh: | RTFMing on the TV I'm thinking about buying.. it can do Skype? LOL |
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| [22:17:45] | Warped: | Or just use Homerun dual network tuners http://www.silicondust.com/images/hdhomerun/c . . . eEU_2014.pdf |
| [22:18:09] | Warped: | justinh |
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| [22:19:53] | justinh: | Warped: way, way WAY too expensive over here |
| [22:20:14] | Warped: | lol |
| [22:20:35] | Warped: | He who dies with the most toys... |
| [22:20:35] | justinh: | WHOAH. they do T2 now?! |
| [22:21:30] | justinh: | ouch. £99 for a single dvb-t tuner? |
| [22:26:07] | justinh: | looks like the dual tuner dvb-t2 capable one is gonna be over 200 quid |
| [22:26:26] | Warped: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url= . . . run+TV+tuner |
| [22:27:44] | Warped: | 105 for the dual |
| [22:29:03] | justinh: | whoah. I was going by googling, didn't think to search on amazon |
| [22:29:37] | justinh: | ah that's still only dvb-t though. No T2 |
| [22:30:19] | Warped: | Ok. Thought it was the HDTC-2EU |
| [22:31:25] | Warped: | OIC... middle column on that product page. |
| [22:31:34] | justinh: | still not a terrible price though |
| [22:31:59] | justinh: | if you tot up a couple of USB dvb-t tuners, something lame like a Pi, plus time.. plus it'll look like ass.. |
| [22:32:04] | Warped: | What does T@ get you? |
| [22:32:08] | justinh: | HD |
| [22:32:27] | justinh: | IMHO it's pointless buying new tuners unless they're HD capable |
| [22:32:31] | Warped: | *T2 |
| [22:33:05] | Warped: | Much simpler w/o PAL... :P |
| [22:33:17] | justinh: | I suspect before too long everything'll be going T2 |
| [22:33:47] | justinh: | I've ordered an i2c analyser to have a crack at helping getting a dirt cheap DVB-T2 tuner going in linux |
| [22:34:51] | justinh: | since I tested the August dvb-t210 & found it to work.. £35 vs £50+ for the pctv 290e/292e tuners |
| [22:35:39] | justinh: | but there are much cheaper ones on ebay now, and the guy who did the original Sony DVB-T2 demod driver has fettled the new Panasonic demod too |
| [22:36:15] | Warped: | Befor long, everything will be ipTV & no over the air. lol |
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| [22:36:53] | justinh: | that's what people were saying 6 years aho |
| [22:36:55] | justinh: | *ago |
| [22:37:19] | justinh: | if it all goes IP we can all forget about free |
| [22:37:21] | Warped: | TV bandwidth will probably be taken over by wireless bands. |
| [22:37:51] | Warped: | Can't get more speed & more users without more bandwidth. |
| [22:38:01] | justinh: | if it all goes IP we can forget about it being watchable on any device we like too |
| [22:38:22] | justinh: | watch netflix on Linux much? |
| [22:38:30] | justinh: | without a Windows VM I mean |
| [22:38:54] | Warped: | Linux on smartTVs. lol |
| [22:38:58] | justinh: | you'll see. this old cynic will be right |
| [22:39:35] | Warped: | I think Microsoft shot themselves in the foot with killing XP & stupid Win8. |
| [22:39:39] | justinh: | linux kernels sure.. I mean on PCs. not embedded junk |
| [22:40:13] | Warped: | If they have to do it for embedded, then PCs are just waiting for the demand. |
| [22:40:32] | Warped: | I have converted many old XP users to linux. |
| [22:40:33] | justinh: | there won't be any demand |
| [22:40:48] | justinh: | certainly not enough to make it worth their while |
| [22:41:14] | justinh: | will 2015 be the year of the Linux desktop? LOL |
| [22:41:17] | justinh: | will 2025? |
| [22:41:20] | justinh: | 2050? |
| [22:42:12] | Warped: | I'm in a linux group that people are joining, just cuz Microsoft killed their XP. lol |
| [22:42:48] | Warped: | Linux is not as much of a change as Win8 is to them. |
| [22:43:11] | justinh: | I've tried interacting with 8 on my Dad's PC. I yelled at it a LOT |
| [22:43:58] | Warped: | RaspberryPi & other things are introducing people to linux. It is not as alien as it use to be. |
| [22:44:24] | justinh: | the Pi is the lamest excuse for a real computer ever |
| [22:44:50] | justinh: | like python is the lamest excuse for introducing people to programming |
| [22:45:10] | Warped: | But a good intro to those without much money and gets them use to free software. |
| [22:46:11] | justinh: | those without much money? Who is this targeted at? Sheesh, even people on the bread line here have massive flat panel TVs at home & Sky TV |
| [22:46:29] | justinh: | and to school kids ANY software or OS is free |
| [22:47:14] | justinh: | except now instead of high speed dub copies of tapes they go to whateverthehelltheaddressistoday-bay.com |
| [22:47:40] | Warped: | Pfffft... until they come knocking on the door. |
| [22:47:45] | justinh: | I dunno exactly what the Pi's forte really is, but it's not likely what it's touted as |
| [22:48:07] | Warped: | Not bad as something to play & learn with. |
| [22:48:22] | justinh: | yeah it's a hobbyists tinkering thing |
| [22:48:38] | justinh: | far from the revolutionary thing people yell about it being |
| [22:49:11] | Warped: | It is when you look at how many have sold & who is playing with them. |
| [22:49:30] | justinh: | the price is revolutionary for sure – but then in the 1980s, your typical home micro cost would buy you a pretty serious high end rig now |
| [22:50:20] | Warped: | Oh well. Gotta finish some stuff & go for a ride. |
| [22:50:22] | justinh: | ZX Spectrum (Timex 2000 or whatever).. £125 .. account for inflation since 1982/3 ... |
| [22:50:44] | justinh: | and it wasn't just well off kids who had those. Heh |
| [22:51:18] | justinh: | I'm not saying the Pi is absolute junk though. It has its uses. it's just not the very best thing since a load was sliced |
| [22:51:25] | justinh: | er.. a loaf |
| [22:51:58] | Warped: | Don't use a hammer when you need a screwdriver. |
| [22:53:29] | Warped: | Don't use a RaspberryPi for your main computer, but for a controller or single use computer. |
| [22:54:02] | justinh: | and don't use a Pi when you should really be using a micro ;-) |
| [22:54:53] | wagnerrp: | but... writing C or... gasp, ASM... on a micro is hard |
| [22:54:57] | kormoc: | Best use of a RaspberryPi http://www.brewpi.com/ |
| [22:55:39] | justinh: | C isn't hard IMHO. Every bloody python program I look at may aswell be heiroglyphics |
| [22:56:25] | wagnerrp: | so the Pi is really only used as a S[ca]DA system |
| [22:57:05] | wagnerrp: | it doesn't really appear to control anything |
| [22:57:09] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [22:57:17] | wagnerrp: | merely data acquisition and display |
| [22:57:43] | wagnerrp: | a poor man's PLC system |
| [22:57:44] | kormoc: | oh wait, nah, it'll hold temps by controlling the plates |
| [22:57:49] | kormoc: | but that's it |
| [22:57:52] | justinh: | all the things I've seen with a Pi where there's any amount of IO there's always a 'duino in there soemwhere |
| [22:58:00] | wagnerrp: | it says the Pi isn't controlling anything |
| [22:58:05] | wagnerrp: | all the logic is in the arduino |
| [22:58:26] | kormoc: | I missed that earlier, wow |
| [22:58:29] | kormoc: | that's sad |
| [22:58:41] | justinh: | apparently the Pi can't even be an i2c sniffer – can't even sniff a 100mhz bus |
| [22:58:54] | justinh: | oops 100khz bus |
| [22:58:57] | wagnerrp: | apparently you can issue commands to the arduino, so it is at least proper SCADA |
| [23:00:06] | wagnerrp: | looks like it's running a bunch of 1-wire thermometers |
| [23:03:11] | wagnerrp: | on that note, time to start wiring up the relay box for the pool |
| [23:03:49] | justinh: | wonder if the beaglebone has proper networking, ie. not on the USB |
| [23:10:34] | wagnerrp: | lsusb reports the usb hub is unpopulated |
| [23:11:21] | wagnerrp: | failing to find the ethernet driver in dmesg |
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| [23:12:44] | justinh: | wagnerrp: oh, you have one? |
| [23:14:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah. was planning on making it a asterisk unit. never got around to it |
| [23:14:52] | wagnerrp: | now planning on making it an rs-485 master for instrumenting the house |
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| [23:15:44] | justinh: | heheh. I just figure since it allegedly has a proper network controller, not one hung off of USB... |
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| [23:18:16] | justinh: | might actually be worth a go hacking a network tuner together with it. I doubt it'd be able to do 2x DVB-T2 muxes simultaneously though.. 80Mbits/sec solid |
| [23:18:43] | wagnerrp: | that was the other plan i never got around to, a slave BE to connect an HDPVR to |
| [23:19:04] | wagnerrp: | there is a net1080 chip for USB host-to-host communication |
| [23:19:18] | wagnerrp: | but that appears to be independent of the ethernet |
| [23:19:53] | justinh: | yeah I've been skipping through the documentation for it |
| [23:20:39] | justinh: | nah I think I'll stick with my plan to keep the backend in a cabinet in my lounge rather than uproot everything |
| [23:21:06] | justinh: | this way I only have to pull HDMI across one wall, not between 2 walls |
| [23:21:36] | justinh: | wish I'd been able to have a say when this house was built |
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| [23:46:44] | amizraa (amizraa!~amizraa@gateway/tor-sasl/amizraa) has joined #mythtv-users | |
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