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Wednesday, April 9th, 2014, 00:01 UTC
[00:01:34] justinh: wait a frickin minute.. there may be stuff in his bitbucket effort.. I'll check that out tomorrow
[00:01:39] justinh: or erm.. today. heh
[00:03:29] justinh: yeah looks like there've been changes not submitted upstream to linuxtv yet
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[00:04:06] justinh: and on that note, I bid you good night :-)
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[03:02:47] k-man: where can i read about uinput and mythtv?
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[06:26:44] justinh: k-man: you know that with CEC it's very much potluck which keys your TV will allow, right?
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[06:49:57] justinh: I wish I could leave my laptop running linux with the external USB drive & USB tuner plugged in in the lounge today. But because CHILDREN I can't
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[08:38:21] justinh: SteveGoodey: incase you didn't catch any of last night's progress – basically there was none – apart from managing to scan with dvb-apps scan a DVB-T2 mux & it pulled out correct serviceids for the 6 channels on there. Still wouldn't work though cos it couldn't find any video or audio PIDs. Then before I went to bed I discovered that the guy who added support in the first place has his own source tree – and there's
[08:42:33] SteveGoodey: justinh: Thanks for the update. I did spot the conversation. Did I see that DVB-T worked, T2 not so much?
[08:49:15] Merlin83b: Also, you cut off at "- and there's"
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[08:52:09] justinh: there's a change to the code to use a different frontend tuner driver. So I'll be trying that later today. I remain optimistic, which is unusual for me
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[08:53:13] justinh: dvb-t2 from the usb device seems to be a bit junky, though my interest was intensified when I discovered the serviceids scan pulled out were correct – but that might've been a red herring
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[08:55:11] justinh: I don't know exactly how a dvb-t2 mux is modulated – the PIDs for channels were blank & the names were nondescript – so it could be that scan picked up a part intended for dvb-t receivers
[08:55:55] justinh: I know the dvb-apps scan util won't accept 32k as a modulation parameter though
[08:58:12] justinh: I'll try the newer code tonight, and depending how that goes I'll consider trying to contact this 'crazycat' fella
[08:58:57] justinh: failing that it'll be down to looking at USB analyser traces to work out the differences
[08:59:11] justinh: also known as 'fun'
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[10:43:52] bas-t: hi, how can I do an initial channelscan from a bash script,
[10:43:53] bas-t: insert all non-conflicting dvb channels, cancel all conflicting dvb-channels and ignore all other channels (SCTE and mpeg)?
[10:43:53] bas-t: Parameters:
[10:43:53] bas-t: desired services: TV,
[10:43:53] bas-t: include encrypted channels
[10:43:54] bas-t: don't test decryption
[10:43:56] bas-t: scan type: Full Scan Tuned
[10:43:58] bas-t: Frequency: 369000000
[10:44:00] bas-t: Symbol Rate: 6875000
[10:44:02] bas-t: Inversion: Auto
[10:44:04] bas-t: Modulation: QAM 64
[10:44:06] bas-t: FEC: Auto
[10:44:15] Merlin83b: bas-t: Why wouldn't you do the scan from within mythtv?
[10:44:59] bas-t: because my provider is shitting us and i want dayly fresh database
[10:47:13] bas-t: Merlin83b: So I need to truncate a couple of tables and fill them correctly on a very regular base
[10:47:45] bas-t: That's a showstopper unless I automate it
[10:50:11] bas-t: Moreover: the eit-cache and program table are already truncated every night, otherwise I end up with a bad epg
[10:50:58] Merlin83b: Ugh, sounds like a mess. Where are you?
[10:51:48] bas-t: in The Netherlands, with Ziggo as our shitting provider (very good quality of picture though)
[10:52:03] justinh: I've heard bad things about them more than once in here
[10:52:16] bas-t: realy?
[10:52:23] justinh: cable providers tend to deviate from the DVB specs with their own little kinks
[10:52:38] bas-t: tell me about it...
[10:52:38] justinh: actually most broadcasters do from time to time
[10:53:10] bas-t: what about a bash script?
[10:53:23] bas-t: anyone?
[10:53:36] justinh: fine for a workaround, but it'd be better to fix it in the main code
[10:54:13] bas-t: tell me where to look, i'll give it a shot
[10:54:20] justinh: add some if (broadcaster_is_batshit_crazy) ...
[10:54:47] justinh: from what you've said it's probably not a simple fix
[10:55:18] bas-t: ok, i'll go for the workaround then
[10:55:34] justinh: but at least *report* that there's a problem so somebody can maybe look at it
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[10:55:43] justinh: and by that I mean open a bug ticket
[10:56:17] bas-t: i get that, but it is not really a bug in myth
[10:56:52] justinh: how so? is it broken in other things too?
[10:57:43] bas-t: hmm, come to think of it, tvheadend does do automated scans
[10:58:05] justinh: yeah but come to think of it, tvheadend is a pile, apparently
[10:58:28] justinh: bas-t: so are you saying the provider changes IDs around a lot?
[10:59:25] bas-t: yes, and other stuff too, like moving channels into other muxes
[10:59:46] bas-t: changing QAM too
[11:00:11] justinh: oh god. that's going to be a nightmare even with scripting
[11:00:33] justinh: how often do they do that?!
[11:00:42] bas-t: no, just the initial scan will do
[11:01:13] bas-t: sometimes they don't for a couple of weeks...
[11:01:34] bas-t: but then they start again
[11:02:10] justinh: but you could only do a script thing when the backend is idle anyway
[11:02:35] justinh: IIRC somebody was going to look at auto updates at one point
[11:02:44] bas-t: it is every night, because of the epg shit
[11:03:23] justinh: so what happens then?
[11:03:47] bas-t: ?
[11:04:44] bas-t: Oh, I see, I truncate the eit-cache and the program tables, so they get filled freshly
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[11:05:10] justinh: why would you need to, if the channel tuning details are correct?
[11:05:44] justinh: the order of channels doesn't matter once they're in mythtv
[11:06:20] bas-t: you don't get it, i hav Ziggo as provider, they even mess up the epg at least every two days
[11:07:07] justinh: how do you mean 'mess up' ?
[11:07:41] justinh: clearing out the EIT cache & program tables won't matter, if you don't know when a *good* time to start again is
[11:08:20] justinh: and isn't there an alternative to get guide data where you are?
[11:08:53] justinh: though if your channel lineups are always getting messed with, handling xmltv on top of that will be a bigger pain
[11:09:14] bas-t: i get holes in the epg, start and stop times are incorrect, resulting in missed or messed recordings and such
[11:10:11] bas-t: anyway, my epg workaround works really good, for a couple of years now
[11:10:35] justinh: you don't wanna know what I'd do... (tell the provider where to shove their TV service)
[11:11:20] bas-t: sadly, i don't have a good alternative where i live
[11:11:41] justinh: we can't use *any* open source software for non-free TV here
[11:12:02] justinh: or even closed source software. It's the hardware the provider lets you have, or nothing
[11:13:30] bas-t: well, at least i get to have my 8 tuners dvb mythbackend and it runs really stable. so just that last workaround and i'm good
[11:13:43] justinh: ugh, they use CI+.. so how do you even.. ?
[11:14:56] bas-t: i use my own software, but apparently i cant tell you what it is, my nickname should give you an idea though, look at github
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[11:17:54] bas-t: btw: it's legal where i live
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[11:24:58] k-man: justinh, no, i wasn't aware of that
[11:25:41] justinh: k-man: yeah apparently different TVs allow different keys – some allow just the dir pad & OK, others pass more
[11:26:08] k-man: justinh, oh, thats kind of annoying
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[11:26:42] k-man: i have a strange usecase, i want lirc to receive the power key from my remote and turn the TV on and off via CEC
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[11:27:15] k-man: which i can do with the cec-client program but its very slow ~= second to detect the TVs state and toggle it
[11:27:31] k-man: 1 second that is
[11:27:47] justinh: k-man: AFAIK you can use the cec-client program, then press buttons on your tv remote & see what comes out
[11:28:10] k-man: justinh, ah right, i'll have a look at that
[11:29:19] justinh: since there doesn't seem to be any information about which TVs send what I won't be bothering with a cec adapter – not worth laying out money if it's only good for 6 buttons
[11:30:37] k-man: fair enough
[11:31:33] k-man: i've been tinkering with this HP mediacenter remote I got, which is almost good, but its annoying in that you can't turn the TV on and off withought having to change to the TV mode of the remote first
[11:31:47] justinh: some things will 'work' with only 6 buttons but it's a PITA
[11:32:57] justinh: turns out that the remote which came with my dvb-t2 STB is a universal thing. I'm gonna see if I can buy another one separately
[11:34:17] justinh: ow £25 for a remote? A bit steep
[11:35:18] k-man: url?
[11:37:10] justinh: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-ORIGINAL-an . . . em2a3a409b3a
[11:39:17] justinh: I bought my dad one of the newer harmony remotes the other christmas. He's never used it & carries on with his 4 remotes
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[11:41:31] k-man: this is the remote I've been trying out, i wrote about it here: http://emacstragic.net/hp-mediasmart-ir-remote-mythtv/
[11:41:59] k-man: oh, i tried a harmony remote once, god damn aweful imho
[11:42:23] justinh: oh the newer ones are a big improvement
[11:42:40] justinh: I was hacked off by harmony once – the most useful buttons wore out really fast
[11:43:10] justinh: but they've moved from tact switches to conductive rubber mats like real long-lasting remotes use
[11:44:08] justinh: k-man: so did you getthe IR blaster working on the receiver? I never managed to & I have the same
[11:44:33] justinh: it'd 'blink' the IR LED but as far as I could tell it wasn't sending modulated data
[11:45:51] justinh: I wasted a lot of time with that – I ended up using a Pi for blaster duties
[11:46:03] k-man: justinh, no, not tried that part. i thought i could control the tv over CEC but that seems to be less than perfect. I might have to try their blaster method
[11:46:06] justinh: Pi, lirc & php
[11:46:45] k-man: right
[11:46:47] justinh: probably unwise to use php to run system commands but it's on my home network
[11:47:09] k-man: or i might try a proffesional grade remote – someone i know works in that industry and could get me one
[11:47:25] k-man: i forget the make and model he suggested to me though
[11:47:45] justinh: actually it only passes parameters to a script, and all the script can do is irsend :-P
[11:50:01] k-man: yeah on a home network anything goes
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[11:58:50] k-man: have you seen this site before: http://www.remotecentral.com/reviews/sony_rmvl610/index.html
[11:58:54] k-man: and that remote looks quite good
[12:00:43] justinh: gah. that crazycat dude reverted the tuner driver change already
[12:02:34] k-man: what?
[12:03:40] justinh: just me, babbling on. I bought a tuner I thought was supported according to the linuxtv wiki. turns out it's not. dvb-t2 no worky
[12:04:08] k-man: damn! that sucks
[12:04:49] justinh: I *kinda* got a scan of a dvb-t2 mux to work in that it pulls out the correct serviceids for the channels on there
[12:05:17] justinh: but that might be a misleading result
[12:05:52] justinh: hmm is my backend busy right now? I could try a scan of the same freq on a dvb-t tuner
[12:06:24] justinh: nope, frontend isn't on either
[12:10:35] justinh: nah can't grok a T2 mux with a T tuner at all, so *something* about the T2 tuner end is working
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[12:11:40] k-man: when i play back live HD tv, it seems to stutter
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[12:12:02] k-man: less so during ads, maybe they are in lower resolution or something
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[18:35:54] bas-t: hi, my cable provider frequently changes things in the network. so i need to know if i can I do a channelscan from a bash script, to automate updates in the db, and of course how to do so
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[18:38:28] bas-t: can you give me pointers?
[18:42:51] bas-t: Parameters i need to use:
[18:42:51] bas-t: desired services: TV,
[18:42:51] bas-t: include encrypted channels
[18:42:51] bas-t: don't test decryption
[18:42:51] bas-t: scan type: Full Scan (Tuned)
[18:42:53] bas-t: Frequency: 369000000
[18:42:55] bas-t: Symbol Rate: 6875000
[18:42:57] bas-t: Inversion: Auto
[18:42:59] bas-t: Modulation: QAM 64
[18:43:01] bas-t: FEC: Auto
[18:44:10] bas-t: next, i want to insert all non-conflicting dvb channels, cancel all conflicting dvb-channels and ignore all other channels (SCTE and mpeg)
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