MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

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Current users (148):

aarcane, adante, aloril_, amessina, amizraa, andreaz, AndyCap, arescorpio, Azelphur, Beirdo, benc_, Bhaal, biffhero, bill6502, blinky42, Blue1, BLZbubba_, brfransen, buu, caelor, Captain_Murdoch, ChanServ, clever, Cougar, croccydile, croppa, ctmjr, Cubber, cybrNaut, dahlSTROM, DevWork_, disputin, dkeith____, eee-blt, felipe`, fetzerch, Floppe, fluvvell, G, ghoti, Gibby, gnac, gregL, GreyFoxx, grumpytravel, Guest3724, Heliwr, Hoochster, Hydr0p0nX, ikevin, imhouse, infinite, infojunky, J-e-f-f-A, jafa2, jams, jarle, jarryd, Jay2k1, jbrett, jduggan, jm|laptop, jnylen, johanbr, johnsu01, joki, jpabq_, jst, justdave, justinh, jya, Korny_, kurre2, Kwisher, kwmonroe, laga, lapion, lotia, materdaddy, mengo, Metoer, MilkBoy, MissionCritical, MMlosh, Moscherkobold_, Muzer, MythLogBot, mzb, nameless`, natanojl, nephyrin, neufeld, NightMonkey, nikgod, niska, nutron, pigeon_, psycodad, purserj, quicksilver, RagingComputer, RagingMind, robink, rsiebert, Scopeuk, Seeker`, seld_, ServerSage, Shadow__X, Sharky112065, shubes, sid3windr, simcop2387, skd5aner, sl1ce_1g, SmallR2002, SmallwoodDR82, sphery, Spida, squidly, sraue, StevenR_, stuartm, sulx, superm1_, taknev_, tgm4883_, Tobbe5178, tonsofpcs, toorima, tris, troyt, Twiggy2cents, ubIx, unforgiven512, wagnerrp, wahrhaft, Warped, wseltzer, wsuetholz, XDS2010, xris, zoktar, zombor, [mrx], _abbenormal, _charly_, _nyloc_
Friday, February 14th, 2014, 00:17 UTC
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[04:35:10] wagnerrp: when something has a 10yr warranty, why does microcenter even bother offering a replacement plan?
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[04:35:58] [R]: for suckers?
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[04:37:09] wagnerrp: i don't think they'll actually let me pick this up in 18 minutes
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[05:28:08] SmallwoodDR82: hmmm upgraded to .26 and had alot of database errors and now my backend setup won't even start. anyone around to assist?
[05:28:37] SmallwoodDR82: i'm on mythbuntu 12.04 64 bit
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[19:08:16] SmallwoodDR82: ive upgraded to .26 (mythbuntu) and now my xbmc frontends will not connect. backend seems to be running just fine. xbmc logs tell me it cannot connect to database. any ideas?
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[19:09:27] Kwisher_wrk: SmallwoodDR82: are you using an older version of xbmc?
[19:10:11] SmallwoodDR82: 12.2 and 12.3...the mythtv addon says supports up to .26 so that's where i stopped with upgrade
[19:11:37] Kwisher_wrk: not sure, i just installed the latest xbmc on my sons frontend but haven't had time to setup the myth connection tet
[19:12:00] Kwisher_wrk: i'm still on myth .26
[19:12:23] SmallwoodDR82: i used Sequel Pro and connected to the mythtv database to I know the credentials are connect and it's running
[19:12:36] SmallwoodDR82: so I know*
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[19:18:27] tgm4883_: SmallwoodDR82, I'd check if you have remote access enabled for the DB
[19:18:34] tgm4883_: it's probably only listening on localhost
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[19:21:26] SmallwoodDR82: under general i have the IP set to 192.168.1.126
[19:21:38] SmallwoodDR82: is that what you are referring too?
[19:21:40] SmallwoodDR82: to*
[19:22:05] tgm4883_: SmallwoodDR82, you need to look at the bind address in the mysql config. I believe it's /etc/mysql/mysql.cnf
[19:22:10] tgm4883_: I'm not at a machine to verify that
[19:22:39] SmallwoodDR82: k one sec
[19:25:55] SmallwoodDR82: was my.cnf and you were right it was still on localhost.....i just changed it and rebooting
[19:27:39] SmallwoodDR82: hmmm still won't connect
[19:36:11] tgm4883_: hmm
[19:36:23] tgm4883_: what did you change it to?
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[19:39:11] SmallwoodDR82: 192.168.1.126
[19:39:19] SmallwoodDR82: should i change it to something else?
[19:39:55] ctmjr: 0.0.0.0
[19:42:33] SmallwoodDR82: same error with 0.0.0.0
[19:48:45] tgm4883_: are you sure you have the right credentials?
[19:50:32] SmallwoodDR82: i can login to the database using sequel pro and see the database and tables
[19:51:26] tgm4883_: SmallwoodDR82, is the xbmc machine l inux?
[19:51:34] SmallwoodDR82: no
[19:51:46] tgm4883_: do you have another linux machine?
[19:51:48] SmallwoodDR82: well not the one i'm testing on
[19:51:51] SmallwoodDR82: the others are
[19:51:57] SmallwoodDR82: none of them will connect
[19:52:01] SmallwoodDR82: 4 total xbmc machines
[19:52:03] tgm4883_: ah ok
[19:52:19] tgm4883_: so lets try this, on one of those other linux machines do this
[19:52:41] tgm4883_: mysql -h 192.168.1.126 -u mythtv -p mythconverg
[19:52:56] tgm4883_: and see if you can login with that. It will prompt you for a password
[19:56:26] SmallwoodDR82: the xbmc machines are running openelec and it says it can't find mysql
[19:57:26] tgm4883_: hmm
[19:57:54] tgm4883_: can you do that same command from the backend machine?
[19:57:58] SmallwoodDR82: sure
[19:58:43] SmallwoodDR82: prompts for password as you said
[19:59:34] tgm4883_: put in your mythtv password
[19:59:40] SmallwoodDR82: ok i logged in with the password that all my XBMC clients have
[19:59:46] SmallwoodDR82: and i'm at a mysql prompt
[19:59:55] tgm4883_: ok, you can exit the prompt
[20:00:13] SmallwoodDR82: k
[20:00:50] tgm4883_: SmallwoodDR82, so it appears that everything is working on the mythtv/mysql side of things. The only other thing I would check would be if you can run that command successfully from another machine, but I don't think it would make a difference
[20:01:01] tgm4883_: at this point, I think the problem is somewhere in XBMC
[20:01:54] tgm4883_: and I don't have the time right now to try and figure out why it's not working in XBMC (I'm at work). I have a single XBMC system at my house connecting to my 0.27 backend and that works, so 0.26 should be fine
[20:03:40] SmallwoodDR82: i understand. thanks for the help
[20:03:53] SmallwoodDR82: i'll continue browsing forums...
[20:10:23] SmallwoodDR82: DBHostName=localhost inside mysql.txt is that right?
[20:11:36] SmallwoodDR82: <LocalHostName>my-unique-identifier-goes-here</LocalHostName>
[20:11:41] SmallwoodDR82: that's in my config.xml also
[20:11:46] SmallwoodDR82: that seems odd
[20:13:31] ctmjr: try to change it to the backend ip
[20:13:49] SmallwoodDR82: the xml or the txt part?
[20:14:29] ctmjr: txt then it will change in the config.xml
[20:18:02] SmallwoodDR82: <LocalHostName>my-unique-identifier-goes-here</LocalHostName> still in the xml
[20:18:10] ctmjr: do not change this <LocalHostName>my-unique-identifier-goes-here</LocalHostName>
[20:18:21] SmallwoodDR82: i didnt
[20:18:24] SmallwoodDR82: it's still there
[20:19:00] SmallwoodDR82: DBHostName=192.168.1.126 is in mysql.txt now
[20:26:17] ctmjr: did you run mythtv-setup after you upgraded to check your settings
[20:27:07] SmallwoodDR82: yes
[20:27:20] SmallwoodDR82: i've gone through it like 100 times....driving me nuts lol
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[20:28:09] SmallwoodDR82: everything worked perfect...then i decided maybe i should move to .26....then BOOM! all hell breaks loose
[20:29:51] SmallwoodDR82: not sure if it matters, but mythweb is messed up since .26 upgrade also
[20:30:03] ctmjr: did you upgrade with the mythbuntu control centre or with ubuntu's package manager?
[20:30:45] SmallwoodDR82: i went to control centre, change it to .26 and hit apply
[20:30:55] SmallwoodDR82: then my update manager showed the updates
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[20:31:07] SmallwoodDR82: and i applied them
[20:33:25] ctmjr: that's strange mythbuntu is pretty good about upgrades. you do not have any remote mythtv frontends everything is xbmc?
[20:34:13] SmallwoodDR82: correct
[20:34:47] SmallwoodDR82: i promised my son I would take him to lunch. I'll be back in a few hours. Need a break from this....about to pull my hair out
[20:35:53] ctmjr: ok maybe when you get back ask in #xbmc if they do not flame you they might help
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[20:48:47] justinh: why would anybody in #xbmc flame anybody for asking for help? :-\
[20:55:02] tgm4883_: hmm
[20:55:18] tgm4883_: I bet the backend isn't running
[20:56:00] tgm4883_: SmallwoodDR82, when you get back, check if the backend is running by doing "sudo service mythtv-backend status"
[20:56:48] tgm4883_: If update-manager just said there were updated packages, I wonder if it doesn't have all of the 0.26 packages
[20:57:03] tgm4883_: SmallwoodDR82, can you also pastebin the output of "dpkg -l | grep myth"
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[21:04:25] ctmjr: not all but some folks in xbmc are very rude, at times was just giving him a warning. But have not been in there in awhile so maybe i should not have said that
[21:05:22] justinh: this channel used to be much more rude & to the point. It's much nicer now since I took a long holiday
[21:06:53] ctmjr: kinda like debian use to be every other answer was rtfm
[21:08:04] justinh: sometimes that's the best answer
[21:08:15] justinh: teach a man to fish... etc
[21:10:47] justinh: the only times I've ever had to visit a distro channel was to debug really weird issues
[21:11:07] stuartm: turns out that's a very bad proverb if you happen to be running a seafood restaurant
[21:11:28] justinh: like when I last ran gentoo I couldn't get apache to run at all – turned out I needed to install a random number generator. Like why wasn't that a dependency?
[21:12:01] justinh: stuartm: lol
[21:12:34] justinh: ok then.. encourage a man to look stupid easy things up for himself & save yourself a load of hassle later
[21:14:56] justinh: except it seldom works like that. Give a user the 'rtfm' treatment & they seem to rail against you immediately. Such is life :-)
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[22:16:22] SmallwoodDR82: tgm4883_: "mythtv-backend stop/waiting" i think we found the problem.....question is why isn't it starting?
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[22:18:21] SmallwoodDR82: tgm4883_: pastebin per your request http://pastebin.com/xa6tp25E
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[22:27:50] tgm4883_: SmallwoodDR82, do a 'sudo service mythtv-backend restart'
[22:28:14] tgm4883_: SmallwoodDR82, then check the status again, if it still is not started, check /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
[22:28:33] SmallwoodDR82: smallwood@SMC-ApplicationServer:~$ sudo service mythtv-backend restart
[22:28:34] SmallwoodDR82: stop: Unknown instance:
[22:28:34] SmallwoodDR82: mythtv-backend start/running, process 4525
[22:28:35] SmallwoodDR82: smallwood@SMC-ApplicationServer:~$ sudo service mythtv-backend status
[22:28:37] SmallwoodDR82: mythtv-backend stop/waiting
[22:30:47] tgm4883_: SmallwoodDR82, ok, check (or pastebin) that log file
[22:30:48] tgm4883_: brb
[22:31:31] SmallwoodDR82: it's huge....over a month of logs....should i delete and restart so it's just the log of now?
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[22:34:14] tgm4883_: SmallwoodDR82, nah, just grab the last 1000 lines or so
[22:34:25] SmallwoodDR82: lol ok
[22:34:55] SmallwoodDR82: oh actually mybthbuntu has loggrabber i'll use that
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[22:39:25] SmallwoodDR82: http://pastebin.com/RYkKm6MG
[22:39:33] SmallwoodDR82: last 100 i think show the issue
[22:42:07] clever: SmallwoodDR82: Feb 14 14:21:20 SMC-ApplicationServer mythlogserver: mythbackend[4445]: E CoreContext mythdbcon.cpp:217 (OpenDatabase) Driver error was [1/1045]:#012QMYSQL: Unable to connect#012Database error was:#012Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[22:42:16] clever: you need to fix your mysql config
[22:42:20] SmallwoodDR82: yea i saw it too
[22:42:30] SmallwoodDR82: it's correct when i look at it tho =\
[22:42:43] clever: try using the same config to login from the command line
[22:42:59] clever: mysql mythconverg -u user -h host -p
[22:44:27] SmallwoodDR82: i'm at mysql prompt
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[22:44:43] clever: and you gave it the same config thats in myth's config.xml?
[22:44:49] SmallwoodDR82: well prompted for password then i put in password
[22:44:57] SmallwoodDR82: yup
[22:46:25] clever: cant think of anything else
[22:46:40] SmallwoodDR82: it has me completely confused as well
[22:47:04] SmallwoodDR82: another odd thing....lemme see if i can capture it
[22:47:48] tgm4883_: SmallwoodDR82, you are on 0.26 now, you need to look at config.xml and not mysql.txt
[22:47:58] tgm4883_: verify the password in there
[22:48:24] tgm4883_: also, check /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml and see if that is a file or a symlink to /etc/mythtv/config.xml
[22:49:05] SmallwoodDR82: it's in my /.mythtv/config.xml
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[22:49:38] SmallwoodDR82: oh shit
[22:49:40] SmallwoodDR82: wait...
[22:49:55] SmallwoodDR82: i was in .mythtv/config.xml
[22:50:05] clever: you have several config.xml's?
[22:50:28] SmallwoodDR82: and /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml is completely different
[22:50:35] tgm4883_: well, there is a system one, and then one for each user, but the user ones should just be symlinks to the system one
[22:50:50] clever: and you should only ever run it under a single user
[22:51:00] tgm4883_: uh, no?
[22:51:15] SmallwoodDR82: this on .mythtv/config.xml is the correct one with correct passwords
[22:51:27] tgm4883_: You shouldn't run it as root, but I don't see any reason you shouldn't run the frontend as multiple users
[22:51:35] tgm4883_: s/shouldn't/couldn't/
[22:51:55] clever: tgm4883_: the user that it runs as must have read access to the recordings, and the slave backends must have write
[22:52:10] tgm4883_: clever, and?
[22:52:11] clever: and getting multiple users to write to the same dir is more complex to setup
[22:53:09] tgm4883_: clever, the frontend user doesn't need read access to the recordings
[22:53:26] clever: ah yeah, the streaming via myth protocol
[22:53:30] SmallwoodDR82: this was literally a clean install of mythbuntu 12.04 64 bit....backend only....i programmed backend and connected xbmc.....worked perfect for months, then i decided to upgrade to .26 and all this happened. I'm took much a linux noob to start changing permissions.
[22:53:49] tgm4883_: even if it did, it's trivial to set it up with multiple users with the appropriate access to that directory
[22:53:59] tgm4883_: clever, Mythbuntu sets it up that way out of the box
[22:53:59] ** clever points at what SmallwoodDR82 said **
[22:54:23] clever: tgm4883_: not exactly, if i remember correctly it creates a fake mythfrontend and mythbackend, which will change to the correct user and run the real program
[22:54:28] tgm4883_: clever, I guarentee what he did is more complicated that what he said
[22:55:16] SmallwoodDR82: tgm4883_: honestly all i did was pull the password from that config file and put it in xbmc...
[22:55:22] SmallwoodDR82: somehow i have 2 xmls now?
[22:55:32] clever: edit both xml files to match
[22:55:38] SmallwoodDR82: ok.
[22:55:42] clever: or run the config gui and re-enter the pw
[22:55:47] tgm4883_: clever, incorrect. The backend runs as the user mythtv, the frontend runs as the user (not mythtv). There is no user switching going on in the frontend start script.
[22:55:55] clever: ah
[22:56:04] SmallwoodDR82: wait so don't do that?
[22:56:08] tgm4883_: And the backend startup script either doesn't change users, or changes from root to mythtv
[22:56:52] tgm4883_: SmallwoodDR82, At some point, I'd bet you reset the password or something. A default install of mythbuntu can be upgraded without issues (I've done it many many times in testing)
[22:57:13] tgm4883_: brb
[22:57:57] bill6502: Also note the error message in the pastebin: CoreContext mythdbparams.cpp:39 (IsValid) DBHostName is not set in config.xml. An example of the 0.26+ format is here: https://code.mythtv.org/trac/browser/mythtv/m . . . ?rev=16b232a
[23:02:14] SmallwoodDR82: tgm4883_: i'm not saying you can't upgrade. I'm just saying something went crazy during the upgrade. I don't even know how to reset the password if i wanted to lol
[23:04:26] SmallwoodDR82: am I still to make both config.xml's match
[23:04:27] SmallwoodDR82: ?
[23:05:07] bill6502: they should all match the format of the link above ^^
[23:05:30] SmallwoodDR82: ok, i'm on it.
[23:06:24] SmallwoodDR82: neither of mine have the upnp thing
[23:06:55] bill6502: don't worry for now, i believe it will get added if necessary
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[23:09:57] skd5aner: bill6502: what's the latest on MAF?
[23:10:26] skd5aner: they ever going to release a new version?
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[23:12:41] bill6502: skd5aner: I got an email from Dan about a week ago. He's busy with real life (work/family), but he said he's anxious to get back to it.
[23:13:18] skd5aner: is the work that went in to it several months ago enough to cut a release as is?
[23:13:32] skd5aner: just curious, because I'm running whatever the last beta release was, and it works somewhat
[23:13:51] skd5aner: but, can't install it on my wifes android, and when she's out with the kids, there's been times when it owuld be nice to turn the cartoons on :)
[23:15:12] bill6502: from my perspective, no. there are at least 2 faults that generate the dreaded "Unfortunately..." message that i'd say must be fixed first. with a beta user community of about 250, there are 8 reports of them.
[23:16:42] bill6502: just curious, why can't she install it?
[23:19:18] SmallwoodDR82: ok service seems to be running now. Still cannot connect though
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[23:24:51] SmallwoodDR82: looks like some old data is still stuck somewhere...when i goto mythweb and look at backend status is shows more encoders than I programmed through back end
[23:27:04] bill6502: i'd suggest looking (or pastebin) the most recent lines in your backend log (starting with the last line that contains: mythbackend version: fixes/0.26 [v0.26.1-32-g6955690] www.mythtv.org)
[23:28:41] tgm4883_: SmallwoodDR82, how exactly did you upgrade?
[23:29:37] skd5aner: bill6502: she could if i cared enough to join her account as a beta user, which i dont want to do
[23:30:41] SmallwoodDR82: went to repositories....changes to .26 and hit apply
[23:30:58] tgm4883_: ok, but that doesn't actually update anything
[23:31:06] SmallwoodDR82: then update manager showed the updates it needed
[23:31:08] tgm4883_: that just changes where you are looking at upgrades
[23:31:10] SmallwoodDR82: and i applied them
[23:31:13] tgm4883_: hmm
[23:31:26] tgm4883_: I'll test that, I don't believe it to be the issue, but I'm not against verifying
[23:31:35] SmallwoodDR82: it started updating and about 10 to 20 mins...
[23:31:44] SmallwoodDR82: it was done
[23:32:02] SmallwoodDR82: then nothing worked afterwords....
[23:33:49] tgm4883_: SmallwoodDR82, Ok, I'll test that in a VM when I get home. Was it an updated 12.04 install?
[23:34:03] SmallwoodDR82: 12.04 64 bit
[23:34:09] SmallwoodDR82: .25....worked perfect
[23:34:20] SmallwoodDR82: upgraded to .26 and bleh....
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[23:38:18] tgm4883_: ok, I'll test it again
[23:43:02] bill6502: SmallwoodDR82: sounds like your config.xml files didn't get converted, which should have happened automatically. what's the output of the following:
[23:43:04] bill6502: ls -ld ~mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml ~/.mythtv/config.xml /etc/mythtv/config.xml
[23:45:17] SmallwoodDR82: i got it!
[23:45:42] SmallwoodDR82: after fixing the config's i went through the backend setup from start to finish.
[23:45:46] SmallwoodDR82: now it's working again!
[23:49:27] SmallwoodDR82: tgm4883_, bill6502, clever thank you all for your help. (sorry if I missed anyone)

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