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| [01:09:09] | Hydr0p0nX: | jpabq, if I'm not mistaken, copy freely is all that is supported by mythtv, all of the other options require some level of DRM not supported by Myth |
| [01:11:02] | wagnerrp: | rather, the hdhomerun chooses to not support mythtv, as it has not performed an authentication handshake |
| [01:11:34] | wagnerrp: | it's nothing but a flag on the stream, so there's not really anything for mythtv to "support" |
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| [08:01:06] | justinh: | death to all DRM, because it's been so successful in preventing piracy. Right? lol |
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| [12:15:10] | wagnerrp: | justinh: it has been very successful in its purpose, keeping control over the honest user |
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| [15:31:26] | kjj: | anyone ever look into doing a run of myth-customized remotes from URC? |
| [15:37:27] | wagnerrp_: | not that i've ever heard of |
| [15:46:23] | sonicrules1234: | wagnerrp: Hm, so I was recording the olympics last night, and when I got on this morning, it had the olympics in the recorded listing, but when choosing to play it back, it said file not found |
| [16:05:50] | kjj: | ok, so I have a recording rule for "XXII Winter Olympics" and I want to add a second rule to give higher priority to XXII Winter Olympics: Hockey |
| [16:06:38] | kjj: | I made a power search rule, and when I use the query directly against mysql, it returns lots of results, but the upcoming recordings still shows everything at the lower priority of the generic rule |
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| [16:16:40] | wagnerrp_: | check your backend logs. see if it's complaining about a failure somewhere |
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| [17:13:53] | sonicrules1234: | wagnerrp: It's basically saying that the file doesn't exist, and it's correct |
| [17:14:00] | sonicrules1234: | The file doesn't exist for some reason |
| [17:14:33] | sonicrules1234: | I was using a git build of mythtv, so now I'm using mythtv 0.27/fixes |
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| [17:49:10] | wagnerrp_: | sonicrules1234: see if your backend logs were complaining about some sort of failure when they were supposed to be recording |
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| [19:47:59] | flibbly: | Hi, Does anyone have any (positive) experience using external players in mythvideo? |
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| [20:01:26] | sonicrules1234: | wagnerrp_: Looks like it is complaining about recording, it's trying to put it in /mnt/store instead of the specified videos directory |
| [20:02:24] | sonicrules1234: | Oh, looks like it's trying to use that as a ringbuffer |
| [20:02:39] | sonicrules1234: | How exactly do I choose where that ringbuffer should be? |
| [20:02:48] | kjj: | pretty sure that recordings don't go into videos groups |
| [20:03:11] | sonicrules1234: | kjj: I couldn't find a "recordings" group to specify the path :P |
| [20:03:39] | kjj: | make a default group |
| [20:03:46] | sonicrules1234: | Ok |
| [20:09:18] | sonicrules1234: | kjj: Thanks, that worked |
| [20:10:00] | kjj: | a videos storage group is for other videos that you want to be able to play from myth |
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| [20:14:23] | wagnerrp_: | the ringbuffer is in memory |
| [20:15:04] | wagnerrp_: | "videos" being video other than that recorded by mythtv |
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| [22:44:23] | clahey: | Hi all. |
| [22:44:51] | clahey: | I've installed MythTV (in a VM) and a HomeRun HD Prime. |
| [22:45:02] | clahey: | I think I've properly downloaded channel data. |
| [22:45:10] | clahey: | But when I try to record a show, it says it failed to record. |
| [22:45:22] | clahey: | I'm wondering if it's mapping channels weirdly. |
| [22:45:44] | clahey: | I went with mythbuntu. |
| [22:46:26] | clahey: | When I run the homerun HD UI that is available, I'm able to watch shows. |
| [22:46:44] | clahey: | But they're on channels with two parts instead of the channels that the cable company and the program data seem to find. |
| [22:46:58] | clahey: | Can anyone tell me where to look to debug this? |
| [22:53:40] | clahey: | No one's around? |
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| [23:02:08] | wagnerrp: | with a prime, meaning you've got a cablecard and the cablecard is paire properly? |
| [23:02:11] | wagnerrp: | why use a VM? |
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| [23:03:39] | sonicrules1234: | wagnerrp: Probably to test out before installing |
| [23:03:57] | sonicrules1234: | Plus, when you install it in most distributions, it auto starts on boot |
| [23:04:11] | sonicrules1234: | Which can be annoying if you are using the computer for stuff besides media |
| [23:04:16] | wagnerrp: | that can be solved easily enough |
| [23:04:31] | wagnerrp: | and you can always sandbox it in a chroot or something outside the distribution |
| [23:04:55] | sonicrules1234: | I think putting it in a vm would be easier than setting up a chroot |
| [23:05:39] | sonicrules1234: | Hm, I think I'm going to switch back to the git version of mythtv now that I know how to solve the recording problem |
| [23:05:43] | wagnerrp: | depends on if you're using packages or building yourself |
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| [23:06:00] | sonicrules1234: | Yeah, I build it myself. |
| [23:06:12] | sonicrules1234: | It's not that much of a hassle, but it makes it easier to manage for me |
| [23:06:22] | wagnerrp: | generally the people wanting to run virtual machines are tinkerers that are more likely to run source anyway |
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| [23:06:49] | sonicrules1234: | wagnerrp: There's also the fact that some linux distros don't like certain cards |
| [23:07:02] | wagnerrp: | the distro has absolutely nothing to do with it |
| [23:07:07] | wagnerrp: | the drivers are in the kernel |
| [23:07:27] | sonicrules1234: | Like when I used gentoo, it liked to crash when I plugged in my hauppauge |
| [23:07:39] | sonicrules1234: | I guess gentoo is the exception |
| [23:07:43] | wagnerrp: | of course that again comes down to whether you're building your own kernel, or using what your distro gives you |
| [23:07:48] | sonicrules1234: | Yeah |
| [23:07:59] | clever: | i found that my old ubuntu install would hit 100% cpu usage as soon as the pvr-150 began recording |
| [23:08:10] | clever: | there was a bug in the VBI (closed captioning) stuff |
| [23:08:13] | wagnerrp: | i never had problems running my 150s and 1250 under gentoo, but then i build my own kernel |
| [23:08:22] | wagnerrp: | i didn't use the stock kernel or genkernle |
| [23:08:31] | clever: | i always use a custom kernel now |
| [23:09:10] | sonicrules1234: | My HVR 850 had a working v4l driver, but it didn't want to work with dvb |
| [23:09:59] | wagnerrp: | isn't the 850 an ATSC card? |
| [23:10:04] | sonicrules1234: | Yep |
| [23:10:08] | sonicrules1234: | It's a hybrid |
| [23:10:09] | wagnerrp: | not DVB |
| [23:10:17] | sonicrules1234: | It still uses the dvb driver |
| [23:10:18] | sonicrules1234: | s |
| [23:10:33] | wagnerrp: | DVB meaning european/australian DVB-T/-C/-S |
| [23:10:46] | sonicrules1234: | Like I said, it still uses the dvb drivers |
| [23:11:00] | wagnerrp: | right, mismatch in terminology |
| [23:11:10] | sonicrules1234: | It is digital :P |
| [23:11:11] | wagnerrp: | USB tuners... never touch the stuff |
| [23:11:14] | sonicrules1234: | xD |
| [23:11:33] | sonicrules1234: | I have a laptop, and it doesn't have any of those card slots |
| [23:11:49] | wagnerrp: | maybe if someone offered USB3 hardware, but i don't respect USB1/2 as an interface |
| [23:12:05] | sonicrules1234: | It shows up in /dev/dvb as well |
| [23:12:09] | wagnerrp: | i won't put anything high throughput on it if i can avoid it |
| [23:12:17] | sonicrules1234: | wagnerrp: It's 720p |
| [23:12:25] | wagnerrp: | what's 720p? |
| [23:12:42] | sonicrules1234: | You don't know what 720p is? |
| [23:12:57] | sonicrules1234: | It's the HD resolution below 1080p |
| [23:13:07] | wagnerrp: | no, you said "it", what is "it"? |
| [23:13:14] | sonicrules1234: | Oh |
| [23:13:18] | sonicrules1234: | The card is |
| [23:13:20] | wagnerrp: | because the HVR-850 only does 480i |
| [23:13:39] | sonicrules1234: | wagnerrp: There's actually 2 different models that are both labeled 850 |
| [23:13:48] | sonicrules1234: | The have different id's in lsusb |
| [23:13:57] | wagnerrp: | and they're both only capable of 480i |
| [23:14:37] | sonicrules1234: | If they were both capable of 480i, then how would I be getting full screen clear as crystal tv? |
| [23:14:50] | sonicrules1234: | *only capable |
| [23:14:56] | wagnerrp: | because digital is just a data stream, not video |
| [23:15:13] | wagnerrp: | in video, that card is only NTSC (480i) |
| [23:15:23] | clahey: | I'm using a VM because that box is a windows box so I can play StarCraft2 and I didn't feel like buying a new box. |
| [23:15:38] | clahey: | Also, I work for VMware, so that sort of thing happens often. |
| [23:15:43] | sonicrules1234: | http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr850.html |
| [23:15:57] | sonicrules1234: | wagnerrp: The card does atsc as well |
| [23:15:59] | clahey: | But I figured that since the tuner connects over ethernet, running in a VM shouldn't have any effect. |
| [23:16:01] | sonicrules1234: | I don't use the ntsc |
| [23:16:10] | wagnerrp: | a digital tuner will feed you whatever gets broadcast up to 19.4Mbps for ATSC, or 38.4Mbps for QAM256. it doesn't care or know what is contained in that stream |
| [23:16:12] | clahey: | wagnerrp, So, I believe it's paired properly. |
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| [23:16:45] | clahey: | wagnerrp, Based on the fact that I was able to view ESPN2 and MTV2 in VLC using the homerun UI that showed up in my menu. |
| [23:16:53] | wagnerrp: | with an ethernet-attached tuner, it shouldn't. i just find users running VMs are doing so for poor reasons |
| [23:17:14] | wagnerrp: | for instance, in your case, mythtv is going to expect to be on all the time, and not disrupted by external applications |
| [23:17:22] | clahey: | I know. |
| [23:17:22] | wagnerrp: | that may not be the case if you're using it on a desktop |
| [23:17:48] | clahey: | I expect that I may not be able to use it as a desktop for the duration that I really care about MythTV running which is the next 2 weeks. |
| [23:17:58] | clahey: | I'm sort of okay with that. |
| [23:18:04] | sonicrules1234: | wagnerrp: Does it matter if it's a WinTV? |
| [23:18:35] | wagnerrp: | a digital tuner is a digital tuner (except for old POS USB1.1 ones that couldn't actually handle the full data stream) |
| [23:18:38] | clahey: | wagnerrp, But nonetheless, I really don't feel like that's what's causing this problem. |
| [23:19:03] | wagnerrp: | they all just filter and pass the data stream onto the PC |
| [23:19:15] | wagnerrp: | they don't care about what is contained in that data stream |
| [23:19:41] | clahey: | wagnerrp, Honestly, I might be able to figure it out if I knew where to look. |
| [23:20:02] | clahey: | Unfortunately, I'm not at home right now so I can't report on what different log files say until later tonight. |
| [23:20:17] | sonicrules1234: | wagnerrp: Sorry, make that 3 different models with the same name |
| [23:20:35] | wagnerrp: | if you're getting two-part channels, you mean things like 10_1, 10_2, 12_1? |
| [23:20:44] | wagnerrp: | that means you've scanned |
| [23:21:02] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not capable of scanning for channels off a cablecard tuner |
| [23:21:15] | wagnerrp: | you've pulled clearqam channels in clearqam mode |
| [23:21:38] | wagnerrp: | you need to pull a lineup from a schedules direct account |
| [23:21:52] | clahey: | wagnerrp, I scanned at first, but then I switched and pulled the lineup from schedules direct. |
| [23:21:59] | clahey: | But perhaps my cablecard isn't paired correctly. |
| [23:22:02] | wagnerrp: | if you're only planning on using it for two weeks, there's a 7-day trial that will get you 21 days worth of data and a lineup |
| [23:22:10] | clahey: | Yeah. |
| [23:22:23] | clahey: | The channel data I have is now one part channels. |
| [23:26:46] | skd5aner: | any idea why smartctl would output this for an SSD on SATA3? SATA Version is: SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s) |
| [23:27:02] | skd5aner: | why isn't it setting to 6.0Gb/s |
| [23:27:20] | clahey: | wagnerrp, Yeah. I signed up and have the channel data now. |
| [23:27:33] | clahey: | wagnerrp, But when I say "Record this show" it says "Recorder failed to record" |
| [23:27:46] | clahey: | wagnerrp, If I retry, it will sometimes say "Tuning" and never change from that state. |
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| [23:28:00] | wagnerrp: | what version are you running? |
| [23:28:30] | sonicrules1234: | wagnerrp: I do get the hd channels btw |
| [23:28:50] | wagnerrp: | right, but they're not HD channels. they're just digital channels. |
| [23:29:04] | wagnerrp: | they're just data streams until you decode them, which does not happen within the tuner card |
| [23:29:15] | clahey: | wagnerrp, I downloaded the latest mythbuntu last night. |
| [23:29:23] | wagnerrp: | the tuner card has no way of even knowing what resolution they are, so claiming it can do 720p is meaningless |
| [23:29:36] | sonicrules1234: | wagnerrp: When I go to the standard definition channels, they're smaller and blurrier |
| [23:30:07] | wagnerrp: | you could throw UHDTV down an otherwise standards compliant stream, and while it would look like crap at that bitrate, the tuner wouldn't care |
| [23:30:28] | wagnerrp: | you could throw h264 or h265 down the stream, even though ATSC doesn't support it, and the tuner again wouldn't caer |
| [23:30:49] | clahey: | wagnerrp, So, Mythbuntu 12.04.3, but I don't know what version of MythTV that is. |
| [23:30:50] | wagnerrp: | clahey: the mythbuntu 12.04 installer comes with 0.25 by default |
| [23:30:56] | wagnerrp: | tell it to upgrade to 0.27 |
| [23:31:07] | wagnerrp: | hdhomerun prime support in 0.25 was pretty preliminary |
| [23:31:11] | clahey: | Okay. |
| [23:31:34] | clahey: | Unfortunately, I don't think I can get home before the opening ceremonies start. |
| [23:31:42] | clahey: | But I'll just bittorrent them and copy them over. |
| [23:31:57] | wagnerrp: | please see topic |
| [23:32:14] | clahey: | I won't bittorrent anything. |
| [23:32:47] | clahey: | Truth be told, I truly am just using MythTV to do time offsetting. |
| [23:33:13] | clahey: | wagnerrp, I hope my misstep won't disqualify me from help in the future. |
| [23:33:26] | sonicrules1234: | wagnerrp: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1614806/hdtv.png |
| [23:33:43] | sonicrules1234: | See the resolution that vlc says? |
| [23:33:44] | wagnerrp: | it's an off-limits topic in this channel |
| [23:33:56] | clahey: | wagnerrp, I understand. I will comply going forward. |
| [23:34:09] | wagnerrp: | we can't support the action, or playing the results |
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| [23:34:40] | clahey: | That makes sense. I hope that I am able to get my machine set up in time to record it myself so I can watch it later. |
| [23:34:41] | wagnerrp: | sonicrules1234: yes. VLC can play HD content |
| [23:34:47] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners just capture digital data streams |
| [23:35:02] | sonicrules1234: | wagnerrp: No, that video was recorded using mythtv with my card |
| [23:35:03] | wagnerrp: | it doesn't become "HD" until decoded into a bitmap |
| [23:35:14] | sonicrules1234: | Oh |
| [23:35:48] | sonicrules1234: | You're saying that the tuner gets whatever resolution is transmitted as data, so it should get any resolution ATSC supports |
| [23:35:58] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [23:36:05] | sonicrules1234: | The box said up to 1080i, which is 720p |
| [23:36:08] | wagnerrp: | and it will get anything that even looks like valid ATSC data |
| [23:36:14] | sonicrules1234: | Who knows why it said that |
| [23:36:47] | clahey: | wagnerrp, So, there's some chance that if I upgrade to 0.27 it will just work? |
| [23:36:55] | wagnerrp: | currently, 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i are used for ATSC |
| [23:37:03] | wagnerrp: | technically, ATSC supports 1080p, but no one uses it |
| [23:37:07] | wagnerrp: | not enough bandwidth |
| [23:37:07] | sonicrules1234: | Ah |
| [23:37:13] | sonicrules1234: | That makes sense |
| [23:37:19] | wagnerrp: | clahey: it's possible |
| [23:37:45] | clahey: | wagnerrp, Presuming that doesn't work, where do I look next? Log files, I assume? |
| [23:37:47] | wagnerrp: | so when they say it supports "up to 1080i", that's neither accurate, nor really the truth of the matter |
| [23:37:59] | sonicrules1234: | Deceptive advertising :P |
| [23:38:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, next step would be posting log files for someone in here or the mailing list to look at |
| [23:38:31] | wagnerrp: | it's not really deceptive, since that's what you're going to get in practice |
| [23:38:42] | clahey: | wagnerrp, Or to look at myself. Do the default logging levels display information about when the backend attempts to record? |
| [23:39:02] | wagnerrp: | they will |
| [23:40:04] | clahey: | Okay. |
| [23:40:05] | clahey: | Thanks. |
| [23:40:10] | clahey: | I guess there's not much but to try it. |
| [23:42:16] | clahey: | Not much else, I mean. |
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| [23:51:44] | skd5aner: | my SATA3 SSD is loading as 3.0Gb/s vs 6.0Gb/s, even though the port is SATA3. Here's the output from smartctl -x /dev/sdb1: "SATA Version is: SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)" – any ideas on how to force that to 6.0Gb/s? |
| [23:52:30] | jm|laptop: | skd5aner: maybe your controller doesn't support 6.0? |
| [23:52:43] | skd5aner: | It's supposed to |
| [23:52:55] | wagnerrp: | is it a controller card or onboard? |
| [23:53:12] | jm|laptop: | lspci | grep SATA |
| [23:53:25] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you have some sata3 ports and some sata2 ports on your motherboard? |
| [23:53:43] | jm|laptop: | or a 3.0 drive on the same bus? |
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| [23:53:56] | jm|laptop: | perhaps sda |
| [23:54:07] | wagnerrp: | well it would only be on the same bus if using a port multiplier |
| [23:54:22] | jm|laptop: | 'serial' ATA, I see :D |
| [23:56:02] | skd5aner: | onboard... |
| [23:56:08] | skd5aner: | trying to find the actual chipset |
| [23:56:11] | wagnerrp: | what board? |
| [23:56:16] | skd5aner: | it's a gigabyte – GA-880GA-UD3H |
| [23:56:32] | skd5aner: | AMD SB850 provides 6 native SATA3 storage interfaces with superfast 6Gbps link speed and RAID 0, 1, 5, 10 support |
| [23:56:39] | wagnerrp: | i'm pretty sure i have that same board in my backend |
| [23:56:52] | wagnerrp: | let me grab the manual |
| [23:57:19] | jm|laptop: | skd5aner: I hate to be 'that guy' buy try another SATA cable |
| [23:57:31] | jm|laptop: | I have had 6.0 drop to like UDMA66 because of bad cables |
| [23:57:48] | skd5aner: | heh – maybe... but |
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| [23:58:27] | wagnerrp: | there are 6 SATA3 ports coming off the chipset, and two more SATA2 ports from a gigabyte controller chip |
| [23:58:37] | wagnerrp: | the topmost two are only II |
| [23:58:37] | skd5aner: | description: SATA controller |
| [23:58:38] | skd5aner: | product: SB7x0/SB8x0/SB9x0 SATA Controller [AHCI mode] |
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| [23:58:55] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yup, it's plugged in to one of the 6 SATA 3 ports |
| [23:59:03] | skd5aner: | they're blue, the SATA 2 ones are white |
| [23:59:09] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: I am loathe to disagree with you in this channel, but smartctl suggests the port is capable |
| [23:59:10] | wagnerrp: | that's all ive got |
| [23:59:27] | jm|laptop: | loathe, like almost scared |
| [23:59:33] | wagnerrp: | i didn't know if they were saying the link was capable, or just the drive |
| [23:59:34] | skd5aner: | I see that grub might be able to use libata.force to set it, but why won't it autodetect |
| [23:59:42] | wagnerrp: | been years since i've used it |
| [23:59:54] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, I /thing/ that smartctl is saying the drive is capable, not the controller |
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