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Tuesday, February 4th, 2014, 00:00 UTC
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[00:08:54] houms: is there anyway i can find out why mythtv is not picking up a specific channel?
[00:09:09] houms: it picked it up before, but today i notice it is missing
[00:09:17] houms: i tried rescan and no luck.
[00:09:30] wagnerrp: broadcast channel, from an antenna?
[00:09:34] houms: i connected the coax to a tv to confirm and the tv picks up the channel no problem
[00:09:36] houms: yes
[00:09:58] houms: all the other tvs in the house (being served by same antenna ) are also having no problem with the channel
[00:10:08] houms: it seems very strange
[00:10:30] houms: is there a way to manually add it?
[00:10:38] wagnerrp: not trivially
[00:11:23] houms: damn it. the only other test i can run is connecting the antenna directly but that seems useless since the tv right next to it seems to get that channel no problem...
[00:11:52] wagnerrp: TV's tend to have more sensitive tuners than PC cards
[00:12:24] houms: so all hope is lost for that channel??
[00:12:43] wagnerrp: what tuner is it?
[00:13:19] houms: Subsystem: Hauppauge computer works Inc. WinTV HVR-2250
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[00:23:01] houms: would it help to increase the signal or tuning timeout under the capture card settings?
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[00:24:22] wagnerrp: it may
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[00:29:26] houms: I put it to 10000/20000 on tuner card, then in the inputsources only scan that one channel and it flaps from 0 – 37% but then returns failed to find any new channels. the going to zero seems odd.
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[00:47:04] |PSU|: hi guys, I am having a triangular shape (upper right-hand side) pop up for ~ 1ms in between each frame change on my myth display. This happens for HD recordings and video files that have been uploaded to the box but display fine from a terminal using mplayer so I know it's only an output issue from mythtv.
[00:47:14] |PSU|: here's a quick picture of what I'm seeing – http://imgur.com/yqCSqu0 ... any thoughts? thanks!
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[01:25:15] jya: wagnerrp: are you there?
[01:25:23] wagnerrp: yes
[01:25:41] jya: trying to solve #11941
[01:25:41] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11941 **
[01:25:55] jya: or at least attempting to pin point where the problem lays
[01:26:21] jya: right now, the storage group for the recordings is set to a NFS mount (hfs server is a freenas machine)
[01:27:36] jya: it seems that at some stage, FileRingBuffer::safe_read() is blocking, during the readahead; that cause the other ring buffer read to wait forever and in the end abort.
[01:27:57] jya: I can see the recorder and the TFW continuing to write on the file
[01:28:07] jya: so writing is occurring.
[01:28:08] wagnerrp: i know the communications protocol, but i know nothing about the server side of file transfers
[01:28:37] wagnerrp: write on the file? the ticket is for a DVD
[01:28:44] jya: why do a read block in nfs ? is there any fancy option I could use to make the nfs file paper updated more quickly?
[01:28:48] jya: is it ?
[01:29:01] jya: ooops #12045
[01:29:01] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12045 **
[01:29:56] wagnerrp: unfortunately, i think danielk was the one most knowledgeable on the file writer
[01:30:04] wagnerrp: i've never touched it
[01:30:07] jya: I know that unfortunately :(
[01:30:20] jya: i was more looking into your expertise with NFS itself
[01:30:51] wagnerrp: heh, i really don't have much besides "zfs sharenfs=on"... :)
[01:30:53] jya: i had similar outcome using a local RAID array, with one drive being flimsy.
[01:31:08] wagnerrp: it's been many years since i've tried recording to NFS
[01:32:07] jya: well, i'm going to see what's going on there... maybe it doesn't lock where I think it does yet
[01:33:39] jya: live TV has become completely unusable here since we've been back from holidays...
[01:33:58] jya: had been working "fine" for years before that...
[01:34:13] jya: (ignoring all the oddities that you get use to over time)
[01:36:12] wagnerrp: i recall there being some optimization to set the rsize and wsize, but that's about it
[01:36:48] jya: it seems to always coincide right after auto expire kicks in
[01:37:03] wagnerrp: do you have slow writes enabled?
[01:37:23] wagnerrp: slow deletes
[01:39:16] jya: there's a bug somewhere anyway... when the ring buffer times out and abort, it never seems to tell the frontend about it, more often than not, the frontend becomes then unresponsive, requiring to kill it
[01:39:26] jya: where do you active slow writes?
[01:39:43] jya: and slow delete for that matter
[01:39:46] wagnerrp: slow deletes... where it truncates a few MB at a time, rather than just deleting the file
[01:39:48] skd5aner: I don't think you can do slow writes
[01:40:00] skd5aner: slow deletes is somewhere in the settings
[01:40:13] jya: yeah, Ive seen that.. I was wondering about slow writes..
[01:40:14] wagnerrp: searching
[01:40:23] wagnerrp: i misspoke
[01:40:26] jya: it's in the mythtv-setup general i believe
[01:40:56] wagnerrp: yeah, third page
[01:42:26] jya: at some stage, reading 294912 bytes via safe_Read takes 22s
[01:42:32] jya: of course it's not going to like this :(
[01:43:50] Blue1: I am getting an access denied for user mythtv for mysql
[01:44:00] houms: can i import the missing channel from a previous scan?
[01:46:12] wagnerrp: well this is new
[01:46:22] wagnerrp: someone spamming a cached copy of their site on archive.org
[01:46:41] wagnerrp: cute...
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[01:54:54] jya: wagnerrp: In the NFS mount option I had rsize=8192,wsize=8192 , as read in various nfs how to... reading the man page, that limits the maximum nfs packet size to 8kB. most read by mythtv are about 260kB; I've removed that option, and I haven't had any interruption yet.. this is new.. never got it to pass 2 minutes so far
[01:55:37] keith4: the kernel max is probably 1M
[01:55:58] jya: it is
[01:56:56] keith4: might need nfsv4 for that?
[01:57:17] jya: the nfs server doesn't support nfsv4
[01:57:31] houms: I just tested one of the channels that is listed in "listings" and it behaves the same way during the scan. So I am not so sure it is the scan it self. I mean i have multipe other channels that do not get a "lock" but record perfectly fine, which includes the channel that is now not showing up in my channel list...
[01:57:38] jya: or more accurately, it does, but it's in beta mode so I haven't activated it
[01:58:19] wagnerrp: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/ar01s05. . . . nted_packets might be appropriate
[01:59:39] keith4: trying to figure out some sort of permissions problem. running mythfilldatabase as the mythtv user doesn't populate guide data ( https://dpaste.de/9Cwf ) but running it as root does, oddly
[02:00:44] jya: well, two live tv running, both of them doing well after 5 minutes... so it was just that bloody mount option...
[02:01:20] keith4: wagnerrp, that might not apply to tcp though
[02:01:21] jya: though, mythtv doesn't handle nicely when there's any lock in reading from the file... it always end up badly for the frontend
[02:01:46] jya: what's the default with ifs? tcp or udb?
[02:01:48] jya: udp
[02:02:29] wagnerrp: udp, falling back to tcp if udp fails
[02:02:55] jya: so it is using udp then... so reading that, using a rsize < 1500 seems to be the way to go.
[02:03:17] wagnerrp: it would be interesting to see what it chose to use for itself
[02:03:30] wagnerrp: perhaps that's exposed as a sysctl somewhere?
[02:04:04] keith4: I think the default is tcp, for nfsv3. and v4 is tcp-only
[02:04:09] jya: I am reading http://linux.die.net/man/5/nfs
[02:04:27] keith4: what's /proc/mounts say?
[02:04:32] jya: spoke too quickly, my main frontend just locked
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[02:05:53] wagnerrp: keith4: nanobsd, so /proc/mounts probably doesn't exist
[02:07:00] keith4: ah, that'd do it
[02:07:12] jya: keith4: 192.168.200.13:/mnt/pool/data/videos/recordings /external/recordings nfs rw,relatime,vers=3,rsize=65536,wsize=65536,namlen=255,hard,proto=tcp,timeo=14,re trans=2,sec=sys,mountaddr=192.168.200.13,mountvers=3,mountport=944,mountproto=ud p,local_lock=none,addr=192.168.200.13 0 0
[02:08:15] keith4: so it's tcp, with a 64k read/write size
[02:08:20] wagnerrp: nevermind, nanobsd is the server, not the client
[02:08:22] jya: it is certainly more reliable since I removed rsize=8192,wsize=8192 from the mount option
[02:09:18] skd5aner: jya: is playback just failing, or is it actually locking up?
[02:09:28] jya: I still have timeo=14
[02:09:38] jya: skd5aner: it locks up
[02:09:47] skd5aner: the whole box, or just mythfrontend?
[02:10:07] jya: the frontend that is... on the backend, you usually see that the ring buffer has timed out
[02:10:11] jya: just mythfrontend
[02:10:31] skd5aner: I had an incident last week – frontend locked up after a few mins of playback – turns out the CPU fan seized up
[02:11:00] jya: I added lots of verbosity to the backend; you always find that it becomes a race between the actual reading from disk taking too much time, and the wait for buffer bit timing out early
[02:11:24] skd5aner: why are you using NFS rather than streaming? Just curious
[02:11:29] jya: skd5aner: I've just upgraded all my machines, it's all new (that's the extent I went to trying to solve that live tv issue)
[02:11:38] wagnerrp: he's writing to NFS
[02:11:45] jya: new file server, new backend, new switch, new cat6 cables
[02:11:59] jya: wagnerrp: I had the same issue with my local RAID array
[02:12:05] jya: that's what prompted me to upgrade
[02:12:20] wagnerrp: oh, no clue about that then
[02:12:40] jya: i kept receiving email from smartctl about one disk
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[02:12:46] jya: so I figured the raid array was too slow
[02:12:52] skd5aner: jya: Here are my NFS mount options on my frontend – no issues: nfs soft,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,sync,nfsvers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp
[02:13:12] jya: skd5aner: yes, those are the options Ive seen recommended rather often
[02:13:50] jya: aren't you having issues too with your livetv locking up ?
[02:13:53] skd5aner: yea, I don't think I've touched them in years...
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[02:14:45] jya: skd5aner: i don't mount anything on my frontend
[02:14:56] jya: only on the backend, so I have the actual disks remote
[02:15:11] jya: frontend is using storage group myth:// access
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[02:16:36] jya: skd5aner: from the linux nfs man page: NB: A so-called "soft" timeout can cause silent data corruption in certain cases. As such, use the soft option only when client responsiveness is more important than data integrity.
[02:16:47] jya: not sure you want to use soft if you ever intend to write
[02:17:36] keith4: in the case of recordings, it probably isn't the end of the world if you lose a few blocks
[02:18:05] jya: i wonder if I should enable large frame on that interface
[02:18:28] skd5aner: jya: I only read/write recordings to these mounts, so it's OK... if something gets corrupted, it's of relatively low value
[02:19:28] jya: the backend and the file server are linked via a dedicated lan
[02:19:56] jya: so having jumbo frame may help no?
[02:19:58] keith4: jumbo frames is a _huge_ performance gain with UDP. not sure about tcp
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[02:22:41] jya: from wikipedia, it says it has improvements too. may increase latency on low bw network
[02:22:50] jya: but it's gigabit so it should be fine
[02:22:59] skd5aner: Don't really think jumbo frames will provide you a noticable improvement, not in any meaningful way atleast
[02:23:29] jya: anyway, without resize and wsize, it is certainly much better, it's been weeks since i've been able to use livetv for more than a few minutes
[02:23:31] skd5aner: it might not hurt, but I don't think you'll be shocked and awed by it :)
[02:23:32] keith4: even writing HD recordings is only a few MB/s
[02:23:51] jya: oh, i agree... i'm only trying to help things
[02:24:27] jya: you haven't had to live with my wife's frustration over the past few weeks
[02:25:48] skd5aner: I think if you don't define rsize/wsize, the default is 32kb
[02:26:19] keith4: the default is whatever the linux client negotiates with the bsd server, in this case
[02:26:20] runelind: any reason why multiple front ends would have its skip functionality broken repeatedly after a few times of using it while viewing a recording?
[02:26:34] runelind: happens on both mac and linux front ends going against the same freebsd back end
[02:26:41] runelind: skipping forward works the first couple of times
[02:26:48] runelind: then it just does not nothing.
[02:27:04] keith4: anything in the log?
[02:27:07] MrShake: hey guys, I gotta find a solution to this video frame buffering error
[02:27:11] runelind: I'll check
[02:27:25] MrShake: I can't get more than about 5 minutes into live tv at any time it seams
[02:27:27] MrShake: seems
[02:28:02] runelind: will take a few mins for the problem to show up
[02:28:12] skd5aner: jya: ironcically, I've ha to live with what is likely to be the same level of frustration with my wife for a few months :) mythbackend would crash every morning, and required manual intervention, then multiple times through the day it would become unresponsive and flap on and off
[02:28:56] skd5aner: so, I can appreciate the "try anything to help" approach – last week I bought 16GB of RAM and an SSD for my server to see if that helped – and it did, drastically
[02:28:59] jya: skd5aner: what adds to the frustration is the hours i spend on mythtv, and it seems the end result is only getting worse
[02:29:34] jya: yeah, my backend is a 16GB ECC server, with a 64GB SSD , a xeon e3–1220
[02:29:35] keith4: ah, I remember those days ;-)
[02:29:59] jya: server is a freenas was 32GB ECC, with 6x4TB RED disks, super micro motherboard
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[02:30:20] jya: i didn't spare the expense. I had a xeon on the freenas, but change to an i3–4230
[02:30:32] MrShake: hrm.. I wonder if its dropbox
[02:30:37] keith4: so much overkill. I just upgraded from a P4HT to a c2d about 2 weeks ago
[02:30:46] wagnerrp: e3 or i3?
[02:30:47] jya: as workload is rather low in the end, so i took the cheapest proc supporting hardware AES encryption and ECC RAM
[02:30:54] wagnerrp: the standard i3s don't support ECC
[02:30:57] skd5aner: jya: yea, and you contribute code... imagine how I explain all my hours with mythtv as a non-coding contributor – lol :)
[02:31:01] jya: wagnerrp: they do
[02:31:13] jya: i5 and i7 do not.
[02:31:14] jya: i3 do
[02:31:20] wagnerrp: oh, that's funky
[02:31:21] jya: same with the dual core pentium
[02:31:31] keith4: weird
[02:31:48] jya: mythbackend is a xeon e3, the freenas is a i3 now
[02:31:52] wagnerrp: i don't understand why they can't just enable it across the board
[02:31:59] wagnerrp: i mean the functionality is all there, why disable it
[02:32:02] jya: i haven't noticed loss of performance since removing the e3 for an i3
[02:32:21] jya: i guess you enter into xeon territory then
[02:34:30] jya: i'm very happy with the look of my system; i placed it all in a rack mount cabinet, all it rack mount chassis.. all MB supports IPMI
[02:34:40] jya: so no more keyboard , screen and cable mess
[02:34:56] jya: all nice, except i can't watch live tv :)
[02:36:37] jya: for the backend I got an ASRock server card. whenever I attempt to reboot, that stupid board just shutdown
[02:36:38] cotterpin: jya: going back 6 months; the TFW would consume all RAM as buffer when using dummy tuner recorder. The recording would still grow at 2–3GB/min but be corrupted.
[02:36:41] jya: so frustrating
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[02:37:27] jya: and i got one DVB-T PCI card not working... when I plugged it and restarted, the MB started to smoke... luckily the board still works.. not sure what blew up
[02:37:49] jya: and as I bought the board in the US and it's not available in oz, i can't afford to send it back
[02:38:32] wagnerrp: so... don't buy asrock?
[02:38:33] wagnerrp: :)
[02:40:25] MrShake: dangit... just hapened again
[02:40:27] MrShake: happened even
[02:40:56] keith4: thoughts? ran MFD as root, after running as non-root. diff of the output: https://dpaste.de/09bs
[02:41:33] jya: wagnerrp: find my a server board using socket 1150 and with pcie and PCI slots :)
[02:41:34] skd5aner: keith4: that paste is confusing as heck to read
[02:41:39] jya: i did search
[02:41:58] skd5aner: keith4: can't even attempt to figure it out, just post both the before and after in seperate pastes
[02:42:27] skd5aner: jya: I had to go AMD for that
[02:42:27] keith4: can do
[02:42:30] wagnerrp: jya: i mean as future reference for me, i
[02:42:34] wagnerrp: 'm looking to replace a frontend
[02:42:53] keith4: https://dpaste.de/9Cwf and https://dpaste.de/dAxL
[02:42:57] jya: the board is nicely done, with lots of options
[02:43:11] jya: just that particular DVB-T card screwed things
[02:43:17] wagnerrp: enough that you can burn out a couple and still get by... :)
[02:43:29] jya: and i'm not sure if all the problems i'm experiencing now aren't due to the smoke that came out of it
[02:43:29] keith4: what really confuses me is that there are no errors!
[02:43:37] skd5aner: I'll tell you, newegg is great for searching for boards with speciic features – I really wish amazon had the same power search capability
[02:43:49] Blue1: how do I add user mythtv for mysql  — it can't reach the database
[02:44:03] jya: skd5aner: i bought the board of new egg, and used a mail forwarder to ship it here
[02:44:08] wagnerrp: the mc.sql is supposed to do that for you
[02:44:09] jya: ASRock doesn't do server boards in Oz
[02:44:23] skd5aner: keith4: what's the issue at hand?
[02:44:50] Blue1: wagnerrp: hmmm
[02:45:06] skd5aner: jya: maybe it's not working because it was only designed to operate in the Northern Hemisphere
[02:45:06] ** skd5aner ducks **
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[02:45:23] jya: very likely yes
[02:45:29] keith4: skd5aner, the non-root run doesn't update the guide data. the root run does. /root/.mythtv is literally copied from the other location
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[02:45:54] wagnerrp: it's confused because the hard drives are spinning the wrong way?
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[02:46:12] Blue1: yup I am looking at mc.sql — you are right – but I must have done something wrong...
[02:47:05] skd5aner: wagnerrp: :)
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[02:48:18] wagnerrp: what's intel's built in IPMI solution?
[02:48:44] wagnerrp: ah, AMT
[02:49:01] jya: well, definitely much better. I'm doing a backup over NFS ; I can see the lan utilisation at 75MB/s average and liveTV hasn't skipped a bit yet
[02:49:41] jya: wagnerrp: most board I've seen with IPMI uses a ASPEED chipset
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[02:50:15] keith4: supermicro boards have very decent ipmi implementation
[02:50:26] jya: if I didn't have a spare E3 1150 processor, I would have bought the older gen super micro X9 board
[02:50:33] jya: it has PCI and pcie slots
[02:51:07] jya: keith4: only issues with their kvm; their java app leaks and takes GB of RAM after a few hours.
[02:51:14] jya: can never leave it overnight on my mac
[02:51:36] jya: last time I had a 2TB virtual ram file
[02:51:44] wagnerrp: jya: i'm talking about something built into a frontend. don't much want a server board next to my TV
[02:51:50] keith4: i've never used it for more than ~30 minutes at a time
[02:52:15] jya: asrock has a mini-ITX board with ilmi
[02:52:23] Blue1: wagnerrp: found something interesting – fired up mysql and tried manually entering the commands — mythv @ localhost does NOT work – however mythtv@localhost (no spaces) does....
[02:52:28] ** jya damn mac and its auto-correction **
[02:52:36] wagnerrp: looking at this one... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132071
[02:53:12] wagnerrp: amusingly, newegg is suggesting a graphics card and memory that cannot be used with that board
[02:53:33] keith4: ha
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[02:56:53] skd5aner: awesome... someone FINALLY threw out the million dollar mythtv idea!
[02:57:01] skd5aner: a ncurses frontend!!!
[02:57:17] skd5aner: wagnerrp: make that... yesterday!
[02:57:30] jya: wagnerrp: it's this board I got for my backend: http://www.asrock.com/server/overview.asp?Model=E3C224
[02:58:02] keith4: why do you need so much CPU in your backend?
[02:58:21] jya: http://www.asrock.com/server/overview.asp?Model=E3C226D2I
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[02:58:38] jya: is the one I find interesting for a frontend end... server components, ipmi
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[02:59:07] skd5aner: keith4: sometimes myth is only part of what runs on a "backend" server
[02:59:45] jya: wagnerrp: unless you want more fancy graphic controller, the C226 doesn't support the intel IGP
[03:00:04] keith4: skd5aner, well, sure
[03:00:11] jya: but i wouldn't use IGP with myth anyway ever
[03:01:38] wagnerrp: i've got one frontend running on an HD2500 or something without any issues
[03:02:01] jya: never been happy with any of the software deinterlacer
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[03:04:47] keith4: oooh, just found diffboard.com. much easier: http://diffboard.com/snippets/CWhmMUdi/versions/2
[03:05:26] wagnerrp: supposedly the Q-chipsets have a little MIPS core embedded in them to run IPMI internally
[03:06:19] keith4: so other than different timestamps and different repeat/generic/missing/etc. counts, the only thing of interest I see is line 115
[03:06:41] Kwisher: what would cause a recording to be recorded at another time even if i had a tuner available?
[03:07:39] keith4: are the tuner priorities equal?
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[03:07:52] Kwisher: nope
[03:08:43] keith4: if it's on again later, and a higher-priority tuner will be available then, it will be deferred. I think
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[03:10:26] mcmoyer: hi all, is there a way to see what recording schedules don't have a match?
[03:10:41] Kwisher: i have 4 atsc tuners out of 7 total, the atsc have the priorities set at 6,5,4,3 and the cannel is available to all 4
[03:12:18] keith4: right. if it was going to record on tuner priority 5, and myth found it at a later time that would allow it to record on tuner with priority 6, it will choose the later one
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[03:13:05] Kwisher: so it has nothing to do with the cpu load setting, low,medium, high?
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[03:17:51] keith4: I don't think so, but I'm not 100% sure
[03:19:30] Kwisher: seems strange that the same program recorded last week with my same schedule
[03:19:56] Kwisher: of course the broadcast schedule may have been different last week
[03:20:27] Kwisher: oh well
[03:21:02] keith4: why are they all different priorities?
[03:21:21] Kwisher: should they be all the same?
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[03:23:29] skd5aner: Google opened their chromecast sdk to everyone... jya, pretty please do the same stuff you did with airplay :D
[03:24:04] jya: what do I have to open? airplay in myth is all open already
[03:24:50] keith4: skd5aner, the only way I can think of that myth and the chromecast could intersect involves HLS
[03:25:37] skd5aner: jya: just saying, would love to have a comparable solution on android as you've helped expand for iOS playback via airplay
[03:25:50] skd5aner: wishful thinking :)
[03:26:13] jya: i've only implemented the airplay server. the client is built-in into iOS; and you have airplay client for android already
[03:26:16] jya: at least for audio
[03:26:50] jya: would have to implement an airplay client in chromecast
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[03:27:12] keith4: skd5aner, you know there's a python chromecast emulator already, right?
[03:27:19] keith4: https://github.com/dz0ny/leapcast
[03:28:10] keith4: I was playing with it a few weeks ago; works very well, does almost everything the chromecast does. can't do netflix though, obviously
[03:30:56] keith4: (assuming you wanted to be able to "cast" things to a myth frontend from a droid, like iOS can with airplay)
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[03:35:59] skd5aner: jya: yea, I think you misunderstood what I was hinting at... I would appreciate the ability to stream content from an android device to mythtv, just like you can stream content from an iOS device to mythtv... but, we've chatted about this in the past
[03:36:33] skd5aner: and, like I said then, just a feature request that maybe someday someone will have the itch (and technical ability) to scratch
[03:36:51] skd5aner: just thought it was interesting that google opened up their chromecast SDK
[03:37:05] skd5aner: would be nice if mythtv could imitate a chromecast device
[03:37:26] skd5aner: basically like keith4 was hinting at above
[03:37:29] cotterpin: dlna media renderer
[03:37:38] skd5aner: or, that tot
[03:37:40] skd5aner: too
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[03:38:53] skd5aner: but, I would say, that I'm not holding my breathe on a dlna/uPnP media renderer in mythtv – uPnP get's little to no love in mythtv and I'm not sure anyone is willing to invest now....
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[03:39:57] houms: is there any way to see more output why certain channel fails to be detected?
[03:40:46] cotterpin: BubbleuPNP controller on tablet/phone & dlna/miracast media renderer on myth FE
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[03:45:05] cotterpin: the chromecast device is already a media renderer ? so make Myth BE server push FE GUI to renderer..no FE PC..
[03:45:16] keith4: problem with leapcast is... it has to actually run Chrome
[03:45:43] keith4: cotterpin, yah, and that's what the chromecast SDK *might* help with
[03:46:29] houms: can seem to figure out myth is all of a sudden not picking a channel up. I have changed the tuning time and scanning time and scanned the one channel. It says locked but then says failed to find any new channels
[03:47:46] cotterpin: modern smart TV act as media renderers..so don't need any FE computer..the chromecast is used to access other streams of media ??
[03:48:17] houms: wagnerrp i know you said it is not easily done to add channels manually, but is it possibly you can point me in right direction.
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[03:49:31] keith4: cotterpin, it's kind of like a upnp media renderer, but done using DASH and Chrome as the renderer
[03:50:02] keith4: basically remote-control Chrome. ships with support for Netflix, Pandora, Hulu+, HBO, Youtube, etc.
[03:50:51] Blue1: mythtv does not seem to want to record any programmes. database is fine — what else can I check?
[03:50:54] cotterpin: Chromecast makes an old HDMI TV into a smart TV but hackable.
[03:51:41] keith4: yah, pretty much. and it's the size of a flash drive. powered by USB, oh, and like $30
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[03:58:09] cotterpin: How does the new myth web server look on a smart TV? Has the beginnings of replacing a FE box?
[04:02:48] keith4: how so? using the JW Player?
[04:10:28] houms: is this proper firmware for 2250 http://www.steventoth.net/linux/hvr22xx/firmwares/4038864/?
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[04:17:41] cotterpin: keith4: I don't know if the new server supports playback yet. Is the JW Player installable on smart TV thru' app stores?
[04:18:02] houms: when i scan just that channel it gives http://pastie.org/8696450
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[04:34:03] cotterpin: houms: what do you get if you scan existing transports (multiplexes)?
[04:35:35] wagnerrp: Fox is fiddling with their shows again
[04:35:56] [R]: wagnerrp: that's what she said?
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[04:43:56] wagnerrp: apparently nine episodes into the series, we learn about "the wall"
[04:44:05] wagnerrp: as like all walls, "the wall" has an "other side"
[04:44:29] wagnerrp: and for reasons i feel like i should know, but never recall being told, being on the "other side" of "the wall" is a "bad thing"
[04:46:52] wagnerrp: i think episode 4 is next week, and episode 8 is the week after, and i just watched the season finale
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[04:56:27] Shred00: is there any way to set a directory in a storage group to not be considered for writing?
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[04:59:33] Shred00: or temporarily remove a directory from a storage group so that i can unmount it and mythtv won't try to write to it's mount-point?
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[05:01:59] houms: cotterpin how do i specify that?
[05:02:29] wagnerrp: Shred00: but you still want to keep it listed so you can access the recordings on it?
[05:02:36] wagnerrp: oh, second part...
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[05:02:48] wagnerrp: yeah, that's why you're never supposed to use a mountpoint as a storage directory
[05:03:05] wagnerrp: so if it's not mounted, mythtv simply ignores the missing directory and balances on the others
[05:03:36] Shred00: wagnerrp: but even if i use a subdir in a storage directory, will mythtv skip using it if it doesn't exist or will it get confused and fail the recording?
[05:03:55] wagnerrp: if the directory doesn't exist, it will skip it and use the remaining
[05:03:59] houms: i do not see an option under input connections?
[05:04:11] Shred00: so i can simply umount the filesystem and then remove the mount-point temporarily
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[05:04:25] wagnerrp: you could do that...
[05:04:37] Shred00: that should suffice. thanks!
[05:04:42] wagnerrp: or, just move the directory, and move the recordings to suit
[05:05:09] wagnerrp: mythtv does not record where the recordings are stored, it searches among available directories at time of playback
[05:05:22] wagnerrp: so you can move your recordings where ever you wish, and mythtv does not care
[05:05:27] Shred00: well, i'm evacuating a failing disk so unmounting, removing the mount-point, copying the filesystem to a new disk and then remounting
[05:06:07] Shred00: wagnerrp: yes, this i was aware of, and it's a really nice feature. it was preventing mythtv from writing to a mountpoint that usually has a recording dir on it that i needed to do
[05:10:43] houms: cotterpin i found that option and rescanned under that option but it still does not find the channel. this is the oddest thing
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[05:28:04] cotterpin: houms: there is possibility of channels that are not "on" 24/7..
[05:28:57] wagnerrp: the channel still exists, just without any data, so you wouldn't be able to tune it but it would come up in a scan
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[07:18:44] Hartless: on http://www.mythtv.org/detail/mythtv , You mentioned that it has recently become possible to build a version that can run on Microsoft Windows. where can i get a link, or a beta?
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[10:29:35] Arden: Table 'mythconverg.music_songs' doesn't exist <<< What is calling this on startup of the mythbackend?
[10:29:55] Arden: I don't have mythmusic installed – never did.
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[12:23:49] wagnerrp: Arden: correct, it's the UPNP server trying to share out music, failing, and then going about its normal business
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[20:24:31] justinh: yay my DNS changes worked & now I have working DKIM & SPF.
[20:24:45] justinh: I bet outlook.com still bounces mail though
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[21:53:49] keith4_: will the i3 4010U built-in graphics be usable for HD in myth? (mpeg2 content)
[21:54:04] keith4_: that new ASUS Chromebox would make a sexy frontend
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[22:18:07] justinh: best frontend would be unseen, just doing its job
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[22:47:01] wagnerrp: 1.7GHz with no boost would be a bit iffy
[22:47:18] wagnerrp: and i don't trust anything but VDPAU
[22:49:22] justinh: intel video mostly sucks IMHO
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[23:44:40] cones: i'm having trouble getting all the channels i think should show to show
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