Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, January 30th, 2014, 00:02 UTC

[00:02:58]

KWisher (KWisher!~KWisher@c-98-212-119-100.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:05:11]

skd5aner (skd5aner!~skd5aner@50-90-5-146.res.bhn.net) has left #mythtv-users ("Leaving")

[00:05:31]

skd5aner (skd5aner!~skd5aner@50-90-5-146.res.bhn.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:06:52]

MartinT (MartinT!~smuxi@46-18-104-220.static.vivaciti.org) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[00:13:50]

zombor (zombor!~zombor__@kohana/developer/zombor) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[00:17:40]

ctmjr (ctmjr!~chuck@pdpc/supporter/active/ctmjr) has joined #mythtv-users

[00:22:30]

jams (jams!~jams@CPE-70-92-146-93.wi.res.rr.com) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[01:16:02]

zombor (zombor!~zombor__@kohana/developer/zombor) has joined #mythtv-users

[01:20:40]

wagnerrp:

apparently there's a white house petition to deport justin bieber

[01:20:52]

wagnerrp:

it recently reached over 100k

[01:54:54]

DavidBrooke (DavidBrooke!~DavidBroo@c-69-180-207-35.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:01:30]

DavidBrooke (DavidBrooke!~DavidBroo@c-69-180-207-35.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[02:10:10]

skd5aner:

yup, saw that

[02:10:35]

skd5aner:

meanwhile, I was disapointed when the "end DST" partition failed :P

[02:10:55]

skd5aner:

or, more correctly, end a twice a year time change...

[02:13:53]

zoktar (zoktar!~zoktar@unaffiliated/zoktar) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)

[02:14:47]

SmallwoodDR82 (SmallwoodDR82!~Smallwood@unaffiliated/smallwooddr82) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:18:32]

[R] ([R]!~rbox@unaffiliated/rbox) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:24:01]

zoktar (zoktar!~zoktar@unaffiliated/zoktar) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:27:15]

KWisher (KWisher!~KWisher@c-98-212-119-100.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: KWisher)

[02:49:21]

sphery:

wagnerrp: You're saying there's no money in /halving/ the size of my H.264 videos if I have to buy a quadrideca-core computer running at 11GHz to decode them in real time? But /half/ the space!!!

[02:50:01]

Korny:

lol

[02:50:03]

DavidBrooke (DavidBrooke!~DavidBroo@c-69-180-207-35.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[02:50:36]

Korny:

moving mpeg2's to x264 isn't so bad, but converting x264 to x265 doesn't seem worthwile to me

[02:50:55]

sphery:

yeah

[02:51:30]

wagnerrp:

going mpeg2 -> h264 used to be equally pointless... until flooding stalled the industry for several years

[02:52:29]

sphery:

even when flooding stalled the industry, there wasn't much reason for it

[02:52:50]

wagnerrp:

it's close, but if you've already spent the money on a modern CPU, it comes out ahead

[02:58:41]

sphery:

wagnerrp: did you see http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /359978.html + recent changes to music schema by paulh

[02:59:07]

sphery:

seems music is on 1022, now

[02:59:14]

sphery:

bindings still on 1018

[03:01:19]

wagnerrp:

replying presently

[03:01:43]

sphery:

thx

[03:09:39]

andreaz1 (andreaz1!~andre_000@tmo-100-173.customers.d1-online.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:11:31]

nyloc (nyloc!~quassel@p3EE2D707.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:11:35]

zombor (zombor!~zombor__@kohana/developer/zombor) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[03:11:38]

andreaz (andreaz!~andre_000@tmo-106-85.customers.d1-online.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)

[03:14:22]

arescorpio (arescorpio!~arescorpi@56-57-245-190.fibertel.com.ar) has joined #mythtv-users

[03:16:07]

_nyloc_ (_nyloc_!~quassel@p3EE2D945.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[03:26:26]

materdaddy (materdaddy!~mmrosko@wsip-70-164-99-62.sd.sd.cox.net) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[03:36:23]

andreaz1 (andreaz1!~andre_000@tmo-100-173.customers.d1-online.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)

[03:41:04]

amshake_ (amshake_!~amshake@50.40.116.147) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)

[03:44:28]

Blue1 (Blue1!~nwayno@c-98-225-103-14.hsd1.az.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: Leaving.)

[03:49:33]

arescorpio (arescorpio!~arescorpi@56-57-245-190.fibertel.com.ar) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)

[04:04:34]

ubIx_ (ubIx_!~ulf@p5DD19B3D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:07:55]

ubIx (ubIx!~ulf@p5DD198A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)

[04:20:23]

fetzerch (fetzerch!~quassel@unaffiliated/fetzerch) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)

[04:21:49]

fetzerch (fetzerch!~quassel@unaffiliated/fetzerch) has joined #mythtv-users

[04:33:34]

[R] ([R]!~rbox@unaffiliated/rbox) has quit (Quit: Leaving)

[05:08:13]

lotia (lotia!~lotia@l.monkey.org) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[05:16:54]

materdaddy (materdaddy!~mmrosko@wsip-70-164-99-62.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:23:14]

Blue1 (Blue1!~nwayno@c-98-225-103-14.hsd1.az.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:26:12]

imhouse (imhouse!~matthew.h@d118-75-124-4.try.wideopenwest.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[05:30:30]

amessina (amessina!~amessina@2001:470:c1dc:7779:d6be:d9ff:fe8d:7c1e) has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)

[05:57:14]

materdaddy (materdaddy!~mmrosko@wsip-70-164-99-62.sd.sd.cox.net) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[05:57:23]

materdaddy (materdaddy!~mmrosko@wsip-70-164-99-62.sd.sd.cox.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[06:30:42]

croppa (croppa!~stuart@14.14.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:05:42]

SmallwoodDR82 (SmallwoodDR82!~Smallwood@unaffiliated/smallwooddr82) has quit (Quit: and I'm out...)

[07:18:58]

hpeter (hpeter!~hpeter@77-56-33-72.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined #mythtv-users

[07:52:41]

fetzerch (fetzerch!~quassel@unaffiliated/fetzerch) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)

[07:56:21]

fetzerch (fetzerch!~quassel@unaffiliated/fetzerch) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:20:34]

NightMonkey (NightMonkey!~NightrMon@pdpc/supporter/professional/nightmonkey) has quit (Quit: Body blow! Body blow!)

[08:27:59]

joki (joki!~joki@p548626DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[08:28:36]

Tobbe5178 (Tobbe5178!~asdf@h104n2-sv-a13.ias.bredband.telia.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:34:22]

joki (joki!~joki@p54862A41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:40:48]

rdark (rdark!~rdark@217.33.138.50) has joined #mythtv-users

[08:49:36]

sraue (sraue!~stephan@xbmc/staff/sraue) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)

[08:58:05]

Merlin83b (Merlin83b!~Daniel@office.34sp.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:12:13]

JimBaxter (JimBaxter!~jbaxter@jimbax.plus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[09:16:38]

croppa (croppa!~stuart@14.14.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) has quit ()

[09:47:05]

monkeypet69 (monkeypet69!~quassel@c-24-6-133-78.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)

[09:52:29]

monkeypet69 (monkeypet69!~quassel@c-24-6-133-78.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:04:41]

hashbang (hashbang!~isajb@cse-ajb.cse.bris.ac.uk) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:16:40]

purserj (purserj!~purserj@hosting.collaborynth.com.au) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)

[10:17:37]

purserj (purserj!~purserj@hosting.collaborynth.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:22:05]

purserj (purserj!~purserj@hosting.collaborynth.com.au) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)

[10:22:50]

purserj (purserj!~purserj@hosting.collaborynth.com.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:31:51]

Bhaal (Bhaal!~bhaal@freenode/staff-emeritus/bhaal) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[10:32:39]

Bhaal (Bhaal!~bhaal@freenode/staff-emeritus/bhaal) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:41:31]

hR13 (hR13!~hR13@81-227-47-98-no94.bredband.skanova.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[10:51:52]

robink (robink!~quassel@unaffilated/robink) has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)

[10:52:12]

robink (robink!~quassel@unaffilated/robink) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:01:21]

pmmd (pmmd!~pmmd@5.231.51.18) has left #mythtv-users ("http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.")

[11:05:07]

sraue_ (sraue_!~stephan@2a02:908:fc13:e200:3e97:eff:fe0c:d215) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:05:52]

sraue_ is now known as sraue

[11:06:00]

sraue (sraue!~stephan@2a02:908:fc13:e200:3e97:eff:fe0c:d215) has quit (Changing host)

[11:06:00]

sraue (sraue!~stephan@xbmc/staff/sraue) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:13:03]

zoktar (zoktar!~zoktar@unaffiliated/zoktar) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)

[11:22:46]

amessina (amessina!~amessina@2001:470:c1dc:7779:d6be:d9ff:fe8d:7c1e) has joined #mythtv-users

[11:56:13]

Kwisher_wrk (Kwisher_wrk!~kevin@165.138.3.251) has quit (Quit: Leaving)

[12:01:42]

doev (doev!~doev@p4FD412B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:11:23]

Gumby (Gumby!~gumby@unaffiliated/gumby) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)

[13:13:20]

paul-h (paul-h!~Paul@90.216.180.215) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:15:01]

DavidBrooke (DavidBrooke!~DavidBroo@c-69-180-207-35.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: Leaving)

[13:16:43]

seld_ (seld_!~seld@h7n7-rny-a12.ias.bredband.telia.com) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[13:17:38]

seld (seld!~seld@h7n7-rny-a12.ias.bredband.telia.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:38:05]

jduggan_ (jduggan_!thom@89.21.227.66) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)

[13:38:12]

jduggan_ (jduggan_!thom@89.21.227.66) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:46:37]

Easy_Rider9999 (Easy_Rider9999!~Miranda@pD9E5EC0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:52:03]

stuarta (stuarta!~stuarta@mythtv/developer/stuarta) has joined #mythtv-users

[13:52:03]

Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v stuarta

[14:06:47]

rdark (rdark!~rdark@217.33.138.50) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)

[14:08:11]

rdark (rdark!~rdark@217.33.138.50) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:09:14]

ctmjr (ctmjr!~chuck@pdpc/supporter/active/ctmjr) has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)

[14:19:08]

zombor_ (zombor_!~zombor__@50-73-122-41-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:19:08]

zombor_ (zombor_!~zombor__@kohana/developer/zombor) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:19:08]

zombor_ (zombor_!~zombor__@50-73-122-41-ip-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has quit (Changing host)

[14:23:28]

Moscherkobold_ (Moscherkobold_!quassel@roath.org) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[14:23:59]

Moscherkobold (Moscherkobold!Moscherkob@roath.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:34:01]

BillK (BillK!~BillK-Fre@58-7-82-51.dyn.iinet.net.au) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)

[14:45:51]

rdark (rdark!~rdark@217.33.138.50) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)

[14:47:50]

rdark (rdark!~rdark@217.33.138.50) has joined #mythtv-users

[14:53:22]

zoktar (zoktar!~zoktar@unaffiliated/zoktar) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:02:52]

dmfrey (dmfrey!~dmfrey@webdefence.cluster-h.websense.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[15:50:49]

dmfrey (dmfrey!~dmfrey@webdefence.cluster-h.websense.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[15:51:19]

dmfrey (dmfrey!~dmfrey@webdefence.cluster-h.websense.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[16:46:26]

Easy_Rider9999 (Easy_Rider9999!~Miranda@pD9E5EC0E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[16:56:48]

BLZbubba (BLZbubba!~mark@knm.org) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)

[16:58:44]

BLZbubba (BLZbubba!~mark@knm.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:02:12]

hashbang (hashbang!~isajb@cse-ajb.cse.bris.ac.uk) has quit (Quit: Leaving.)

[17:03:49]

BLZbubba (BLZbubba!~mark@knm.org) has quit (Changing host)

[17:03:50]

BLZbubba (BLZbubba!~mark@pdpc/supporter/professional/blzbubba) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:10:35]

qu (qu!~quassel@c-98-247-207-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:11:11]

qu:

My database has been in use over 5 years, and I'm getting some odd errors now.

[17:11:46]

qu:

Lots of these: DeleteThread mainserver.cpp:2082 (DoDeleteThread) – Error deleting file: /home/bill/TV/Recorded/11422_20130326120000.mpg. Keeping metadata in database.

[17:12:53]

qu:

And these: 2014-01–30 08:10:14.022740 E [6123/6123] CoreContext programinfo.cpp:2401 (GetPlaybackURL) – ProgramInfo(2362_20121205221000.mpg): GetPlaybackURL: '2362_20121205221000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

[17:12:53]

qu:

2014-01–30 08:10:14.022855 E [6123/6123] CoreContext mainserver.cpp:2715 (DoHandleDeleteRecording) – ERROR when trying to delete file: GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/cygnus/2362_20121205221000.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

[17:15:15]

qu:

Do I need to just wipe everything and start over?

[17:15:32]

stuartm:

that's not a database error, but maybe a disk or recorder error? It's not finding files on the disk – either they didn't record properly; the disk is corrupt or they were deleted outside of MythTV

[17:15:42]

stuartm:

qu: no, that won't help

[17:16:18]

stuartm:

qu: ls -alh /home/bill/TV/Recorded/11422_20130326120000.mpg

[17:18:36]

wsuetholz (wsuetholz!~Thunderbi@ip87.centonline.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:19:25]

qu:

It's there, zero bytes.

[17:20:31]

qu:

I had touched that file.

[17:20:51]

qu:

It was missing so I created it to try and satisfy the database.

[17:21:05]

herda05 (herda05!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:21:12]

qu:

... it was owned by root though, not myth so I fixed that.

[17:21:50]

qu:

Haven't deleted anything outside of Myth.

[17:22:27]

qu:

I did change that array over from btrfs to zfs though.

[17:23:01]

qu:

Do I need to manually fix the database?

[17:25:34]

lotia (lotia!~lotia@l.monkey.org) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:35:56]

qu:

Anyone know how to manually modify the database?

[17:38:36]

andreaz (andreaz!~andre_000@p5DCA3126.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:40:29]

ctmjr (ctmjr!~chuck@pdpc/supporter/active/ctmjr) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:41:53]

NightMonkey (NightMonkey!~NightrMon@pdpc/supporter/professional/nightmonkey) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:46:39]

Steve-Goodey (Steve-Goodey!~steve@host109-158-212-221.range109-158.btcentralplus.com) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:46:50]

qu:

No one knows.

[17:47:56]

herda05 (herda05!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)

[17:48:42]

Merlin83b (Merlin83b!~Daniel@office.34sp.com) has quit (Quit: Leaving)

[17:48:56]

rdark (rdark!~rdark@217.33.138.50) has quit (Quit: leaving)

[17:51:17]

herda05 (herda05!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:52:38]

bill6502 (bill6502!~bill@205.178.26.43) has joined #mythtv-users

[17:55:24]

bill6502:

qu: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . t_on_disk.3F is cited as a solution frequently.

[17:56:12]

qu:

Thanks bill. I've been poring over the wiki and nothing.

[18:07:15]

natanojl (natanojl!~jonatan@mythtv/developer/natanojl) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:09:03]

qu:

bill6502: I've just played every one of my Recordings, and they are all there.

[18:10:33]

bill6502:

did you look in the deleted group?

[18:12:07]

qu:

Where is the deleted gtoup? I's not in the All Recordings listing.

[18:12:25]

qu:

Log shows 20 recordings it can't find.

[18:13:45]

Kwisher_wrk (Kwisher_wrk!~kevin@165.138.3.251) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:17:32]

qu:

Oh. Mythweb

[18:17:43]

bill6502:

In Watch Recordings, press M and then Change Group Filter and select Deleted.

[18:18:03]

hpeter (hpeter!~hpeter@77-56-33-72.dclient.hispeed.ch) has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)

[18:18:58]

BillK (BillK!~BillK-Fre@58-7-82-51.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:20:13]

doev (doev!~doev@p4FD412B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[18:22:07]

herda05 (herda05!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)

[18:22:12]

justinh:

qu: there's a script to (safely) find orpan files / database entries

[18:22:42]

qu:

Sure enough. Thanks bill6502. justinh: in contrib?

[18:23:25]

herda05 (herda05!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:24:51]

justinh:

yeah I think so

[18:26:36]

bill6502:

Thinking of find-orphans.py?

[18:27:46]

qu:

I used filters, and it worked.

[18:28:44]

qu:

I have to use an awkward method to archive a show of i-i, get the recording number, copy from directory, renanme, and delete from Myth. Apparently that's now resulting in orphans.

[18:34:48]

justinh:

I've got my own scripts for archiving shows

[18:35:56]

justinh:

I basically just find the filename from the database, then copy the file out.. do a quick ffmpeg -i FILENAME -acodec copy -vcodec copy ... then cut it with projectx .. then transcode a bunch of them with handbrake

[18:36:21]

herda05 (herda05!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)

[18:47:57]

herda05 (herda05!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[18:49:36]

justinh:

what's with all these stupid little barebones boxes that don't even have wired networking? FFS even the Raspberry Pi has wired networking – even though it's really USB wired networking

[19:07:21]

doev (doev!~doev@p4FD412B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:10:12]

herda05 (herda05!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)

[19:11:19]

herda05 (herda05!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:18:26]

Sharky112065 (Sharky112065!~Sharky112@c-24-19-57-28.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: “The only way to have a friend is to be one.” ― Ralph Waldo Emerson)

[19:22:17]

justinh:

so uhhh.. what's the minimum CPU needed to nicely decode the very nastiest HD formats these days?

[19:23:06]

herda05_ (herda05_!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:23:20]

herda05_ (herda05_!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[19:23:53]

herda05_ (herda05_!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:25:37]

herda05 (herda05!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)

[19:30:42]

justinh:

hahaha. A 1037U celery chip is about as lame as the T7200 c2d chip in my frontend now

[19:31:27]

justinh:

still though, the gigabyte brix costs only a little more than the crappy LC02 case and looks WAY nicer

[19:31:59]

justinh:

and that price (£160 or so) includes 16GB RAM. Heh

[19:40:52]

herda05_ (herda05_!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)

[19:46:48]

JimBaxter (JimBaxter!~jbaxter@jimbax.plus.com) has quit (Quit: Quiting)

[19:46:57]

qu:

Yea a celery under 3GHz won't cut it. I have a Xeon 2.5GHz and it cruises 1080 with no problems.

[19:47:38]

qu:

E3–1265 v3 if I remember... damned hard to find.

[19:47:43]

qu:

45w

[19:48:46]

qu:

... not to mention vaapi.

[19:49:48]

qu:

I'm kind of thinking about putting up a tiny frontend machine which streams from the server. I sure wouldn't consider a pi though.

[19:50:40]

herda05 (herda05!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[19:52:01]

qu:

I have my big server quiet enough for now. (5 fans & water-cooled)

[19:53:56]

herda05 (herda05!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has quit (Client Quit)

[19:54:54]

justinh:

it's not about resolution. it's about bitrate, encoding complexity etc... I'd need enough CPU to eat through the worst bluray.. not that I'm ever likely to buy a bluray disk.. so I dunno why. LOL

[19:55:12]

qu:

I know.

[19:55:33]

justinh:

people can yell "but it's ten eighty pee" all they like :-)

[19:55:42]

qu:

But Intel's hardware decoding will do it.

[19:55:57]

justinh:

I wouldn't bet anything on HW decoding. not with intel

[19:56:13]

qu:

This 1265 is all I'd hoped.

[19:56:20]

justinh:

the Pi would be an okay enough frontend if the xbmc myth addon wasn't so slow on it

[19:57:03]

justinh:

my interest is almost piqued enough for me to try to develop cmyth to use paged access or something

[19:57:20]

qu:

Main thing you need is good networking and either Intel decode, or maybe an nvidia (although I wouldn't use them).

[19:57:35]

justinh:

just networking. wired

[19:57:40]

qu:

cmyth doesn't work on 0.28.

[19:58:09]

justinh:

wouldn't take much tweaking

[19:58:25]

justinh:

I'm still on 0.25 at home anyway

[19:58:50]

justinh:

it just works, and keeps on working so I've not seen fit to update it

[19:59:08]

qu:

I know. You're not missing anything.

[19:59:24]

justinh:

I know :-)

[19:59:30]

qu:

mythbuntu in reality doesn't look anything like the picture.

[19:59:40]

qu:

same old.

[19:59:56]

justinh:

I've never been able to get over the theme on that

[19:59:57]

qu:

Wish I could rock xbmc.

[20:00:11]

justinh:

XBMC has enough drawbacks of its own too

[20:00:27]

qu:

Does it have commercial skip?

[20:00:38]

justinh:

kind of

[20:00:46]

justinh:

no timestretch though, AFAIK

[20:00:47]

qu:

That's important.

[20:01:02]

justinh:

and arbitrary skipping is kinda tricky

[20:01:15]

justinh:

absolute skips are easy.. but relative ones.. hmmm

[20:01:19]

herda05 (herda05!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:01:27]

stuartm:

justinh: if you've got hardware decoding then cpu is almost (though not entirely) irrelevant

[20:01:43]

justinh:

stuartm: with Intel onboard I wouldn't bet on anything

[20:02:04]

qu:

stuartm: He wants to make a new small frontend.

[20:02:06]

justinh:

I don't know much about VAAPI but I know it's not as good as VDPAU

[20:02:14]

stuartm:

true, intel is definitely the weak link atm, not sure anyone has got vaapi working well

[20:02:15]

justinh:

I don't *want* to make anything

[20:02:33]

qu:

VAAPI works perfectly fine for me... on AMD!

[20:02:59]

justinh:

yeah just look at all those cute small boxes with AMD hardware for under $200. Heh

[20:03:22]

stuartm:

shame nvidia stopped doing onboard gpus – sure their chipsets weren't the best, but the graphics (or at least the drivers) are

[20:03:29]

qu:

Well. I've run Myth with Intel hardware decode, and it's just fine.

[20:03:34]

houms (houms!~houms@pool-72-83-236-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:03:43]

justinh:

stuartm: so is the official line now that HW decoding is okay?

[20:03:46]

stuartm:

qu: good to know

[20:04:06]

houms:

is there a straight forward way to record only new episodes?

[20:04:13]

justinh:

oh yeah I was gonna check the Pi with BBC HD clips wasn't I?

[20:04:14]

justinh:

....

[20:04:16]

stuartm:

justinh: not so sure about Intel/vaapi, since ATi embraced vdpau they've been OK

[20:04:21]

qu:

If I make a little frontend to velcro to the side of the projector I'd use intel decoding.

[20:04:40]

justinh:

where's my USB stick?

[20:04:48]

qu:

I wasn't able to make vdpau work on my amd 7990.

[20:05:22]

stuartm:

pi's hardware decoding apparently works well, at least for those applications which have been patched to use it, MythTV so far as I know has not

[20:05:26]

qu:

Latest prop drivers from Debian Testing repo.

[20:06:09]

qu:

I hear pi skips and stutters. There are much better options, but I haven't researched it in-depth.

[20:06:26]

justinh:

qu: everything I've chucked at the Pi so far it's coped with

[20:06:42]

justinh:

sure there are always better (much, MUCH more expensive) options..

[20:06:52]

qu:

III don't trust it from what I've read.

[20:06:57]

stuartm:

performance may vary with different encodings

[20:07:16]

justinh:

IMHO it's not worth paying 200 pounds over the odds just for a frontend

[20:07:17]

qu:

I'd plan a microboard with Intel cpu that has hardware decode, probably the 1265.

[20:07:41]

stuartm:

it apparently does fine with h.264, but maybe not the variations used by some broadcasters or the HD-PVR? Only way to know for sure is to test it

[20:07:43]

houms:

i see some talks about duplicate detection but i do not see that as option in mythweb

[20:08:17]

justinh:

stuartm: just about to now :-)

[20:08:48]

justinh:

I read it'll work with BBC HD served by windows MCE. But I don't know what that means in any real terms

[20:09:24]

stuartm:

houms: depends what you mean by duplicate detection – to me that means the option to change the way MythTV considers what constitutes the same episode of a series and those options are in mythweb when you edit the recording rule

[20:09:49]

stuartm:

justinh: can't imagine MCE is doing anything special to the stream

[20:10:22]

justinh:

and the hdpvr sample video is up first...

[20:10:29]

justinh:

spinner says 'working' ...

[20:10:36]

houms:

essentially I am just trying to make sure I am not recording repeats, but new episodes only. main concerns being missing new episodes

[20:10:39]

justinh:

still going.. not looking good

[20:10:44]

houms:

thanks sturatm for info

[20:10:46]

justinh:

WOW

[20:10:55]

houms:

i am not sure i see which options to use

[20:11:20]

houms:

is there any docs on what each filter does and what config if any is required for them to work?

[20:11:29]

justinh:

BLEUGH. Is that what they call 'HD' in the USA?

[20:11:35]

justinh:

it played well, anyways

[20:11:43]

qu:

rez?

[20:11:46]

justinh:

no

[20:11:56]

justinh:

bitrate, or lack of it

[20:11:58]

qu:

What's the rez?

[20:12:33]

justinh:

who cares? There was loads of encoding artifacts on the edges of stuff

[20:12:42]

justinh:

mosquito noise

[20:12:44]

qu:

On satellite here most shows are 1080i. A few 720p.

[20:12:58]

justinh:

whee BBC HD.. she plays! ;-D

[20:13:04]

qu:

No I don't see any of that.

[20:13:30]

stuartm:

justinh: in the US it's mpeg 2!

[20:13:46]

qu:

For some, I'm h.264.

[20:13:55]

justinh:

jesus that's nothing to write home about either

[20:14:07]

houms:

so is using just the new episode filter sufficent for what i am trying to do?

[20:14:09]

justinh:

from my seat it doesn't look any better than Freeview SD

[20:14:24]

justinh:

maybe weather isn't in HD yet

[20:14:47]

stuartm:

justinh: there's some upscaling in that BBC HD clip

[20:14:49]

qu:

What's your source?

[20:15:02]

stuartm:

they weren't filming news in HD at that time

[20:15:27]

stuartm:

they've since started and have launched BBC News HD

[20:15:47]

justinh:

maybe it's the Pi's decoding.. it doesn't look that much better than SD

[20:16:08]

justinh:

but then I've thought that looking at the same clips on my laptop

[20:16:18]

stuartm:

as I mentioned last time, those samples were for debugging purposes, not showing off the best of the BBC HD output :)

[20:16:34]

justinh:

trying the HD test card now

[20:16:50]

justinh:

it doesn't half take a while to start up, this thing

[20:17:51]

stuartm:

you need the promo taken from Planet Earth where they follow the river off the Tepui, that was cool

[20:19:18]

justinh:

or the clips of 'Later'

[20:19:27]

justinh:

I might still have one somewhere.. God only knows where

[20:19:36]

AndyCap:

from andes to amazon?

[20:19:59]

stuartm:

most of the BBC Nature stuff is jaw dropping in HD, but it all depends on the equipment they used and the quality of the encoding, Wild China was disappointing apparently because it was a joint venture with CCCTV and the cameras or hardware wasn't as good

[20:20:02]

justinh:

looks to me by those recent clips though that they've dialled up the bitrot to look similar to freeview

[20:20:35]

qu (qu!~quassel@c-98-247-207-107.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[20:20:55]

justinh:

I've got a fan edit of star wars episode IV which is like 8GB in size – it looks incredible even really close up

[20:21:20]

justinh:

no obvious encoding artifacts at all

[20:21:57]

stuartm:

what's surprising is just how many shows have benefited from being filmed in HD even when scaled down to SD – it's a better SD picture

[20:22:05]

justinh:

ooh, I can think of one reason to update to HD.. better audio

[20:22:11]

justinh:

i.e. more channels :-)

[20:22:40]

justinh:

and for all it's 'freeview SD – like' the artifacts are much lesser in obviousness

[20:23:14]

justinh:

we have our tea sitting right in front of the telly – I'm about 2 feet away from the screen & BBC News looks like it's all off of Youtube's lowest res

[20:23:21]

justinh:

ah that's it!

[20:23:37]

justinh:

Freeview HD looks as good as Freeview SD *should* look

[20:23:41]

justinh:

hahahaha

[20:24:16]

AndyCap:

maybe they do quarter-frame hd. :P

[20:24:26]

justinh:

maybe the telly has some weird processing going on too, which won't be helping.

[20:24:37]

justinh:

or maybe it *hasn't* got any at all, which might be worse

[20:25:15]

justinh:

I remember the sony 'smart' telly we got in my last job playing iplayer stuff & it looked too good to have been from online streams put it that way

[20:25:26]

stuartm:

justinh: well there's going to be a difference between stuff on bluray (30GB for a standard length film) and broadcast (10GB), and even between something encoded using the highest possible profile like your Star Wars vid, and the profiles they have to use for broadcast (they are limited by what STBs support)

[20:25:58]

justinh:

as I said earlier I doubt I'll ever buy movies again

[20:26:16]

AndyCap:

I do have a 720 clip from BBC motion callery called "Andes to Amazon" which was nice to show on my first HD screen, but it's a few years old

[20:26:26]

AndyCap:

s/callery/gallery/

[20:26:47]

justinh:

AndyCap: I was more interested in finding out if the pi could play clips from a broadcast format

[20:27:00]

stuartm:

justinh: I'll see what I've got recorded from BBC HD that's both more recent and guaranteed not to be upscaled

[20:27:01]

justinh:

stuartm: it didn't like the HD testcard much.. some weird artifacting going on

[20:27:13]

AndyCap:

justinh: aha

[20:27:24]

stuartm:

justinh: really? Shouldn't be any – it's completely clean here

[20:27:38]

justinh:

stuartm: I know. The Pi's decoder is a bit shite apparently

[20:28:01]

justinh:

plays fine on my laptop without artifacts too

[20:28:21]

justinh:

oh & there's no deinterlacing on the Pi either. Haha

[20:28:24]

AndyCap:

I must admit that I think low power cpu's with hardware decoders are a crap idea

[20:28:35]

justinh:

AndyCap: nah, STBs are all those

[20:28:42]

AndyCap:

justinh: and they're crap. :P

[20:28:47]

justinh:

STBs do alright at the actual playback all the time

[20:28:47]

stuartm:

haven't watched them yet, but I've got 'Wild Burma' recorded, that ought to be a good showcase

[20:29:08]

justinh:

it's just the God awful fricking UIs on STBs that have us all doing mythtv – that and feature restrictions

[20:29:11]

AndyCap:

justinh: but yeah, they do ok when you feed it standard stuff.

[20:29:44]

stuartm:

hmm, maybe if the cameraman could nail the focus

[20:29:45]

justinh:

if there was a commercial DVR that could do even a quarter of mythtv's stuff..

[20:29:48]

AndyCap:

but then you want to rip dvd's, blu-ray, play youtube et

[20:29:50]

AndyCap:

etc.

[20:30:04]

justinh:

AndyCap: the SoCs in these things are usually more than capable

[20:31:17]

stuartm:

nope, sure we can do better than Wild Burma :/

[20:31:23]

justinh:

seriously though, XBMC.. like 30 seconds to start playing a clip? This is a joke

[20:31:35]

AndyCap:

justinh: what is it playing from?

[20:31:40]

justinh:

USB stick

[20:31:46]

justinh:

it's only a 50MB file damnit

[20:32:35]

AndyCap:

oh wait, this was a raspi

[20:32:36]

doev (doev!~doev@p4FD412B1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[20:32:45]

justinh:

AndyCap: yeah but even so...

[20:32:53]

justinh:

playing stuff off of a network share isn't this slow

[20:33:13]

AndyCap:

justinh: but it has to load 50mb with morse code or something

[20:34:23]

justinh:

no I mean even on the Pi playing off a network share it's not this slow

[20:34:23]

AndyCap:

it's an impressive achievement at the price though

[20:34:50]

justinh:

nah the Pi is still gonna be an awesome little IP IR blaster/receiver

[20:35:09]

AndyCap:

justinh: I just felt usb and sd-card was sluggish on my rpi

[20:35:29]

stuartm:

damn it, now you've got me looking critically at the current BBC HD output and you're right, it's not as good as it used to be :( Not SD quality but not pin sharp

[20:35:58]

AndyCap:

stuartm: what did they have to make room for?

[20:36:31]

stuartm:

or maybe it's not the quality that's changed, just my perception of it – HD is so commonplace that it no longer has the same impact

[20:36:40]

AndyCap:

anyone compile statistics on what the different multiplexes carry?

[20:36:44]

stuartm:

AndyCap: on Freesat? Nothing that I'm aware of

[20:37:18]

stuartm:

well maybe they dialled stuff down to make room for the 3 new HD channels

[20:37:50]

AndyCap:

Heh, when they were discussing DVB-T here I could hear the bits screaming when political pressure made them fit in another channel

[20:39:27]

justinh:

on reflection it's WAY WAY WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than Freeview SD

[20:39:44]

justinh:

AndyCap: it's never just one fricking channel

[20:40:12]

justinh:

it's more like – hey there are already too many channels for six multiplexes, so let's squeeze them onto five muxes

[20:40:46]

AndyCap:

justinh: well, here they were starting out with 14 channels on one mux

[20:40:52]

AndyCap:

iirc.

[20:40:58]

stuartm:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/markkermode/posts/Age-Inappropriate

[20:42:49]

AndyCap:

hell, no, we're not paying for viewers we can't brainwash

[20:46:41]

stuartm:

actually, I must admit I'm surprised that the audience skewed that way considering that the film looks like the sort of tripe that would keep older audiences at home

[20:47:49]

AndyCap:

well, it depends, they could probably go for pointless action.

[20:47:50]

justinh:

Won't a lot of Tom Clancy readers be in their 50s now though? :-P

[20:48:00]

AndyCap:

justinh: hey now

[20:48:25]

stuartm:

I was a huge fan of the original Jack Ryan films as a 'youngster', because they were intelligent, because they felt somewhat 'real' and the main character wasn't a super spy, in fact he was often to be found cowering in the corner

[20:48:29]

justinh:

I read a Tom Clancy book (it may only have been co-authored). OMFG what TRIPE. It was worse than James Patterson

[20:48:47]

AndyCap:

justinh: remember which one?

[20:48:54]

stuartm:

justinh: the 'co-authored' books weren't written by Clancy, and there were god-awful

[20:49:20]

stuartm:

I doubt Clancy even read the first page of them

[20:49:40]

justinh:

uhhh... something something something.. super human designer drug... wittering on about how many miles a dude had left on his car tyres.. wanking lyrical about how powerful his self-installed shower was...

[20:49:49]

AndyCap:

think I've read most of the jack ryan books. up to red rabbit and the bear and the dragon

[20:50:13]

AndyCap:

justinh: doesn't ring a bell, probably some ghostwritten book

[20:50:21]

stuartm:

granted I read most of the Clancy books as a teenager, and maybe my opinion today would be a little different, but you couldn't fault their realism and acute attention to detail

[20:50:22]

justinh:

yeah more than likely

[20:50:55]

AndyCap:

didn't like red rabbit since well, nothing went wrong, no real tension

[20:51:16]

Korny (Korny!~quassel@c-71-63-189-14.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has quit (Remote host closed the connection)

[20:53:20]

stuartm:

AndyCap: he was definitely fading by the point of those last novels, Red Rabbit being the last one before he completely ran out of ideas and started writing his own reboots e.g. Tiger Something which sucked

[20:53:37]

Korny (Korny!~quassel@c-71-63-189-14.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[20:54:45]

stuartm:

but stuff like Red Storm Rising, The Hunt for Red October, Clear and Present Danger, Debt of Honour – I really enjoyed those

[20:54:50]

justinh:

hahaha. Tom Clancy's Net Force.. point of impact

[20:54:54]

AndyCap:

justinh: aha

[20:54:57]

justinh:

I've read worse, but not many

[20:55:08]

AndyCap:

justinh: I did see the Net Force move for the laughs

[20:55:46]

AndyCap:

stuartm: yeah, they were good, read the hunt for the red october because I was going to watch the movie 3 days later.

[20:55:54]

justinh:

I was in a hurry at an airport a good few years ago, desperate for reading material that wasn't a biog or chick-lit

[20:56:41]

stuartm:

when they were prefixed by "Tom Clancy's ..." or co-written, they basically weren't his work, and I can't remember reading one that was even close to his best stuff

[20:57:01]

AndyCap:

op-center, net force, and who knows how many other spin-offs

[20:57:12]

AndyCap:

in addition to an endless series of games

[20:57:55]

justinh:

one or two patterson novels I've read were quite good.. the rest I've read (for what reason I dunno) just seemed like he phoned them in

[20:58:15]

AndyCap:

oh, what was that absurd action book I read,.

[20:58:32]

AndyCap:

ah, this one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Station_(novel)

[20:58:34]

tgm4883:

qu, what do you mean?

[20:58:38]

AndyCap:

not really recommended

[20:58:39]

stuartm:

they got longer and longer for a time – just checked, Executive Orders was 1,273 pages – whereas THFRO was just 544

[20:58:52]

AndyCap:

stuartm: RSR was pretty long iirc

[20:58:56]

tgm4883:

ah gone

[20:59:32]

stuartm:

AndyCap: heh, I read that one, actually bought at a train station not unlike Justin buying one at an airport

[20:59:41]

stuartm:

AndyCap: not great

[21:00:26]

AndyCap:

stuartm: yeah, I don't remember if it was the train station or airport, but I was travelling

[21:00:36]

stuartm:

but reminds me that for a time I read everything Alistair Maclean wrote – Guns of Navarone, Ice Station Zebra etc etc

[21:00:51]

AndyCap:

heh, a far better Ice Station.

[21:00:57]

stuartm:

yup

[21:01:07]

AndyCap:

I did that when I was younger.

[21:01:12]

AndyCap:

H.M.S Ulysses

[21:01:16]

stuartm:

and I'll wager where Matt Reilly stole his title

[21:01:48]

AndyCap:

unfortunately I read so many that I have a couple of plots mixed up.

[21:02:09]

KWisher (KWisher!~KWisher@c-98-212-119-100.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:02:35]

AndyCap:

didn't help that I mixed in some desmond bagley

[21:02:56]

stuartm:

read a few of those two ;)

[21:03:00]

stuartm:

too

[21:03:40]

AndyCap:

think I read an Alastair MacNeill book or two as well

[21:04:29]

stuartm:

yeah, those weren't so good, in fact the one that sticks in my mind was just awful – still they turned it into a film starring a baywatch babe

[21:05:01]

stuartm:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080891/

[21:05:31]

stuartm:

oh, that's weird, could have sworn that was written by MacNeill

[21:05:35]

AndyCap:

don't think I've read that one. it was the Nightwatch man.

[21:06:02]

AndyCap:

he was still alive in 1980

[21:06:11]

stuartm:

ahh http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113984/

[21:06:19]

stuartm:

same characters

[21:06:24]

stuartm:

different film

[21:06:38]

AndyCap:

ah, unsaco

[21:06:52]

AndyCap:

they featured in a number of books

[21:08:06]

stuartm:

Hostage Tower was bad, bad title, bad sci-fi twist (laser weapons!!) and a really terrible sex scene

[21:08:19]

stuartm:

that's the book, couldn't watch the film

[21:08:58]

AndyCap:

MacLean's books are exceptional in one way at least: they have an absence of sex and most are short on romance because MacLean thought that such diversions merely serve to slow down the action.

[21:09:01]

stuartm:

don't think it was his work at all, not unlike the ghost written books carrying CLancy's name

[21:09:04]

AndyCap:

or maybe the sex was bad

[21:09:54]

stuartm:

AndyCap: yeah and he refrained from such nonsense as futuristic weaponry, which is why I'm certain he didn't actually write it

[21:10:24]

stuartm:

wasn't his style in any sense

[21:11:41]

stuartm:

The Cruel Sea by Nicholas Monsarrat was a good one if you liked Maclean's WW2 ocean based novels

[21:11:52]

stuartm:

yet another book that was turned into a film

[21:11:59]

justinh:

ARGHHH stupid dog training website.. been pwned by some weird bloody wordpress issue AGAIN

[21:12:08]

cesman (cesman!~cesman@pdpc/supporter/professional/cesman) has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)

[21:12:19]

AndyCap:

stuartm: I'll give it a look. probably via kindle. :P

[21:12:22]

stuartm:

AndyCap: thanks for that trip down memory lane :)

[21:12:27]

justinh:

must be one of the editors' PCs wot done it

[21:13:18]

AndyCap:

stuartm: likewise

[21:15:52]

stuartm:

these days I find it harder to pick books to read, when I was buying them second hand from charity tables and book stores it almost didn't matter if they turned out to be rubbish since they'd only cost 20p

[21:18:09]

AndyCap:

used to hang out in the library a few hours a week

[21:22:57]

stuartm:

yeah, same here – would go home with as many books as I could check out, six iirc, then read the lot in a week at which point I'd take them back and pick up another lot

[21:23:47]

BillK (BillK!~BillK-Fre@58-7-82-51.dyn.iinet.net.au) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)

[21:23:49]

stuartm:

I don't know where I found the time

[21:25:36]

stuartm:

got through a lot of books when I was commuting but not so much now, I go to bed intending to read a chapter or two before sleeping but most nights I'm just too tired :(

[21:25:44]

BillK (BillK!~BillK-Fre@58-7-82-51.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:25:53]

stuartm:

built up a big backlog of unread books on my Kindle

[21:26:46]

AndyCap:

ho-hum, so have I

[21:27:05]

AndyCap:

then again. I'm not lacking things to read when I am bored

[21:30:27]

stuartm:

I think part of the problem is that I now have other things to do which fill my time, i.e. working on MythTV

[21:31:32]

stuartm:

I guess I can hope we have a few blackouts then I'll be able to do nothing but read

[21:31:43]

Toast_ (Toast_!~quassel@w-247.cust-16293.ip.static.uno.uk.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[21:33:03]

Toast_ is now known as Toast

[21:39:53]

wsuetholz (wsuetholz!~Thunderbi@ip87.centonline.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)

[21:45:26]

disputin (disputin!~disputin@65.102.58.17) has quit (Quit: leaving)

[21:59:47]

dmfrey (dmfrey!~dmfrey@webdefence.cluster-h.websense.net) has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)

[22:06:18]

houms (houms!~houms@pool-72-83-236-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)

[22:11:13]

KWisher (KWisher!~KWisher@c-98-212-119-100.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has quit (Quit: KWisher)

[22:34:17]

Steve-Goodey (Steve-Goodey!~steve@host109-158-212-221.range109-158.btcentralplus.com) has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)

[22:34:48]

zombor (zombor!~zombor__@kohana/developer/zombor) has joined #mythtv-users

[22:56:31]

Tobbe5178 (Tobbe5178!~asdf@h104n2-sv-a13.ias.bredband.telia.com) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)

[22:57:55]

wagnerrp:

if you're out jogging in the street because the sidewalk is full of snow, GO THE F--- HOME!

[22:58:00]

wagnerrp:

what is wrong with people...

[23:03:59]

zombor (zombor!~zombor__@kohana/developer/zombor) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[23:04:24]

cybrNaut- (cybrNaut-!cybrNaut@2001:0:53aa:64c:186f:17dd:bcca:66c4) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:05:48]

justinh:

joggers. nuts

[23:06:11]

stuartm:

we've got our own version of that atm, people accusing the government of not preventing their homes from flooding, but the government didn't make them buy houses on a renowned flood plain, land that was historically impenetrable marshland, so I echo your "what is wrong with people ..."

[23:06:42]

justinh:

so, I've been going on and on AND ON AND ON to my site editors about having complex enough passwords but no, I've just had to spend the last 1.5 hours removing BUY CIALIS links

[23:06:59]

justinh:

what is wrong with people?

[23:07:00]

wagnerrp:

stuartm: ever heard of a little town named New Orleans?

[23:07:07]

cybrNaut (cybrNaut!cybrNaut@unaffiliated/cybrnaut) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)

[23:07:26]

stuartm:

wagnerrp: seems familiar ;)

[23:07:51]

justinh:

anyway now the site has only two editors other than me, and both have 24 character passwords now. I hope they're happy. LOL

[23:08:40]

justinh:

I know it was compromised user logins, not any other method – because of all the consecutive edit post.php lines in my logs

[23:08:57]

justinh:

so now I know which IP ranges to ban.. ALL OF THEM BUT THE UK

[23:09:05]

stuartm:

https://xkcd.com/936/

[23:09:38]

justinh:

heheh yeah that's the way I went

[23:09:50]

justinh:

real words. lots of them

[23:10:18]

wagnerrp:

yeah, our company went to requiring capitals and special character

[23:10:20]

wagnerrp:

s

[23:11:45]

DavidBrooke (DavidBrooke!~DavidBroo@c-69-180-207-35.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:12:26]

justinh:

special characters. the kind of people who invent password policies like that

[23:12:43]

stuartm:

personally I don't bother with memorable passwords, if you're going to use a different password for everything as you should, then that's just impossible to maintain, so instead I use random strings which I store in an encrypted 'wallet' controlled by a master password

[23:12:45]

wagnerrp:

they claimed it was "industry standard"

[23:12:49]

wagnerrp:

i argued, i was ignored

[23:15:03]

justinh:

I'm sick to death of stupid password policies now

[23:17:35]

stuartm:

every time I hear about a breach where it's revealed that 20% had 'password' as their password and 5% had '1234' I can't help wondering why those aren't specifically banned as passwords

[23:19:11]

stuartm:

on the one hand we've got people implementing stupidly complex password policies, and on the other sites/services which don't even bother to deny the most common 'bad' passwords

[23:20:43]

justinh:

because they get handed the salte string & can't tell what it is to say it's bad?

[23:23:59]

natanojl (natanojl!~jonatan@mythtv/developer/natanojl) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

[23:25:09]

bill6502:

Not to worry, 1234 isn't the most common bad password, 123456 has unseated Password for 1st place. http://splashdata.com/press/worstpasswords2013.htm ;)

[23:25:41]

stuartm:

if they can enforce policies requiring varying case and symbols, they can enforce bans on passwords consisting entirely of sequential digits or stuff like 'password'

[23:30:24]

skd5aner:

I'm getting great playback on my new zotac zbox ID-80, as VDPAU is handling everything like a champ, but unfortunately, navigating through the menus, particularly the watch recordings screen, is pretty slow... any advice on how to resolve that?

[23:31:24]

skd5aner:

Yes, it does have an atom, but one of the higher clock rate ones (2.13GHz)

[23:37:21]

herda05 (herda05!~dherring@74-92-165-205-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)

[23:43:01]

paul-h (paul-h!~Paul@90.216.180.215) has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)

[23:44:12]

clever:

justinh: related to passwords, https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/ . . . 420848_n.jpg

[23:55:59]

** justinh laughs **

[23:58:01]

zombor (zombor!~zombor__@kohana/developer/zombor) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:58:52]

rsiebert_ (rsiebert_!~quassel@e179164013.adsl.alicedsl.de) has joined #mythtv-users

[23:59:35]

rsiebert (rsiebert!~quassel@g225008114.adsl.alicedsl.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)

MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

Current users (151):