| Tuesday, January 28th, 2014, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:34] | |PSU|: | Anyone with the Hauppauge PVR-350 remote (i.e. new grey remote)? I've got it partially working...but not all of the buttons (e.g., OK, back, exit, etc.) work. is this an incomplete .lircrc file, or what could be causing this? thanks! |
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| [00:33:17] | jonc: | anyone know a fairly decent 720p+ component video to usb dongle? |
| [00:33:41] | Korny: | disk migration complete! |
| [00:33:49] | jonc: | looking to automate taking things off my dvr and saving it to my pc (cable box has a web based remote protocol) |
| [00:34:02] | Korny: | HD-pvr? |
| [00:34:17] | jonc: | would prefer cheaper |
| [00:34:19] | Korny: | its not a dongle ut its usb and component |
| [00:35:36] | jonc: | seems to be the standard to go to, but I'm hoping there is some off brand that people have tested and works really well |
| [00:35:44] | jonc: | even if it is a pci card |
| [00:38:32] | Korny: | Not that I know |
| [00:38:55] | jonc: | aye aye, thanks |
| [00:39:15] | jonc: | do you know if the hd pvr's hdmi input handles hdcp? |
| [00:39:39] | |PSU|: | is it possible to have MythVideo scan for file changes at launch of "Watch Videos? |
| [00:40:10] | Korny: | jonc: hdcp doesn't go over anology, hence the "anology loop hole" |
| [00:40:18] | Korny: | sign |
| [00:40:21] | Korny: | analog |
| [00:40:55] | jonc: | yeah, the component is able to get around it, just wondering if the hdmi can handle it |
| [00:42:26] | jonc: | ooo I didn't know the hauppage did h.264 encoding |
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| [01:38:58] | jonc: | How good is the commercial detection in myth-tv? |
| [01:41:55] | ctmjr: | it's as good as any other commercial flagger it does make mistakes at times. you can check it by playing the recording and press "e" on the keyboard |
| [01:46:35] | wagnerrp: | jonc: not good enough to trust blindly |
| [01:46:45] | jonc: | thank you |
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| [02:03:33] | Korny: | why did unraid use reiserfs its soo old, now I'm doing a whole bunch of copying files from one drive to another so I can format drives to ext4 :/ |
| [02:04:38] | wagnerrp: | maybe it seemed like a good choice all those years ago |
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| [02:04:48] | wagnerrp: | remember, mythtv stores files in nuppelvideo containers |
| [02:04:59] | Korny: | well considering he uses an ancient slackware distro as well |
| [02:05:20] | Korny: | I'm migrating to 1 machien and running snapraid |
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| [02:09:08] | ** wagnerrp just uses proper raid ** | |
| [02:09:34] | Korny: | yeah yeah |
| [02:09:39] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [02:09:58] | Korny: | I don't like stripping, for my purposes |
| [02:10:21] | Korny: | Suppose I could run raid 4 |
| [02:10:43] | Korny: | which is all that unraid is, a modified version of raid 4 that allows different disk sizes |
| [02:11:35] | wagnerrp: | raid4 is an array, unraid and snapraid are not |
| [02:12:18] | wagnerrp: | it's just a bunch of independent disks with a redundancy layer on top |
| [02:13:23] | Korny: | Which for my purposes snapraid will work fine, I don't have a lot of day to day changes |
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| [02:22:15] | Korny: | dp rysnc sessions going :/ |
| [02:22:18] | Korny: | sigh 2 |
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| [02:36:36] | Hydr0p0nX: | wow |
| [02:36:47] | Korny: | hmm? |
| [02:36:51] | Hydr0p0nX: | "I haven't seen a tuck that good since silence of the lambs" |
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| [02:57:39] | bill6502: | wagnerrp: skd5aner: FYI, opened #12033 after seeing your discussion on mythmetadatalookup --refresh-all-artwork. |
| [02:57:39] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12033 ** | |
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| [15:58:02] | OxxY: | hi, have anyone tried to install mythtv on an old Debian etch (4.0)? |
| [15:58:23] | OxxY: | the guide in the wiki apparently has some errors or is outdated |
| [15:59:18] | sid3windr: | lol debian etch |
| [15:59:26] | sid3windr: | why not run something that has had security support for the last 5 years? |
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| [16:00:14] | OxxY: | because i have a NAS that runs it, and i would like to try to use it as a mythtv backend if possible |
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| [16:04:22] | sid3windr: | I doubt that'll work |
| [16:04:31] | sid3windr: | (as in: newer libraries are likely needed) |
| [16:06:30] | OxxY: | well your wiki hinted that it should work http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_Debian_Etch |
| [16:07:02] | OxxY: | err The Wiki :p |
| [16:07:22] | ctmjr: | This page was last modified on 12 November 2009, at 18:58. |
| [16:07:31] | OxxY: | i know... |
| [16:07:39] | ctmjr: | maybe that's why |
| [16:07:54] | OxxY: | doesn't mean the packages stopped orking |
| [16:08:41] | OxxY: | but apparently the debian-multimedia-keyring isn't in the package repository anymore |
| [16:08:52] | OxxY: | so no luck for me |
| [16:14:20] | OxxY: | or i simply use the wrong package repository wich is just as likely |
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| [16:33:14] | sid3windr: | deb-multimedia these days |
| [16:33:37] | sid3windr: | but that doesnt carry packages for etch, obviously |
| [16:34:32] | OxxY: | indeed |
| [16:34:41] | OxxY: | just looked at the repositories |
| [16:34:48] | OxxY: | no etch anywhere |
| [16:34:59] | OxxY: | and archive doesnt carry multimedia :\ |
| [16:35:04] | sphery: | and remember you have to have the same version of mythtv running on all your systems |
| [16:35:29] | sphery: | so if you can only get mythtv 0.24 running on etch, it won't work if you're on 0.27 on your "normal" systems |
| [16:35:52] | sphery: | that said, why do you want to run mythbackend on a NAS system? |
| [16:36:12] | sphery: | mythbackend is for capturing recordings, which implies capture devices |
| [16:36:20] | OxxY: | because it is always on, and i basically just want it to record an mpeg stream from a HomeRun |
| [16:36:43] | sphery: | any that you're likely to be able to connect to the nas box (usb or network capture devices) can be used from any other system |
| [16:36:59] | sphery: | so you could just use the NAS as a, er, NAS, with the backend running on some other computer |
| [16:37:12] | OxxY: | that requries another device on 24/7 |
| [16:37:25] | sphery: | and if you're trying to "save power" by not running another computer, you're likely going about it the wrong way because your backend will be severely underpowered |
| [16:37:46] | sphery: | (assuming this is a nas appliance, not a built-from-normal-pc-components-by-myself nas) |
| [16:38:08] | OxxY: | well i wernt looking into doing transcoding |
| [16:38:19] | sphery: | which means if you want power savings, a /useful/ mythbackend and mysql server host, /and/ don't want to keep the mythbackend/mysql server host running all the time |
| [16:38:34] | sphery: | you should just have it shut itself down when not in use |
| [16:38:45] | sphery: | and have it wake itself up when necessary |
| [16:39:13] | sphery: | which gives you great power savings (basically 0W when shut down), but power when you need it |
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| [16:39:29] | sphery: | and--since you have the NAS box always running--you can even use it for the wakeup |
| [16:40:09] | sphery: | since auto shutdown just runs a script and passes it a wakeup time, you can have that script tell the NAS box when to wake your backend |
| [16:40:31] | sphery: | and let it do so using wakeonlan, which means you don't even have to get acpi wakeup working (which can be a challenge, especially with some motherboards) |
| [16:40:43] | OxxY: | if only someone made a decent dvb-c box that can record and work over an smb share or something |
| [16:40:43] | sphery: | anyway, that's my opinion |
| [16:41:53] | sphery: | running MythTV on underpowered hardware is like putting a Ferrari body on a 54hp smart car chassis |
| [16:42:17] | OxxY: | myth tv might be too complicted for my uses true |
| [16:42:36] | OxxY: | it was just the only video grapper that had an etch install manual and homerun support that i could find :) |
| [16:42:45] | OxxY: | so i thought hey lets give it a go and see |
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| [16:42:52] | OxxY: | but that "go" didnt go far :D |
| [16:43:20] | sphery: | it's definitely nice if you want automated recording based on tv schedules (and you have a source of scheduling data) |
| [16:43:42] | sphery: | but it's an "expensive" DVR--in both hardware costs and time |
| [16:43:56] | sphery: | which means if you're using it, you should be sure to give it the right kind of power |
| [16:44:20] | OxxY: | seems like that is the case |
| [16:44:38] | OxxY: | myth tv got an os-x release right? |
| [16:44:54] | OxxY: | nm i can wiki myself to that |
| [16:45:07] | sphery: | there are some builds of mythtv for os x |
| [16:45:11] | Shadow__X: | yes, there is a frontend and backend for os x |
| [16:45:12] | sphery: | not sure how well they work |
| [16:45:25] | Shadow__X: | i can confirm the frontend still works |
| [16:46:24] | OxxY: | any of you know of a simple DVR that can work together with a network share? |
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| [16:52:29] | houms: | can i use something like http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythbrake to transcode recordings ? specifically i want to have the recording tanscoded into h264 with the commercials cut out upon completion of recording or when it is possible? |
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| [17:06:30] | doug_dt: | My cable co still supplies a number of channels using NTSC (analog). I have a pcHDTV HD-2000 card, but I can't get it to scan using NTSC, just ATSC. Does anyone know how to enable NTSC scanning? (Debian Wheezy and MythTV v0.26) |
| [17:09:06] | sphery: | doug_dt: don't scan for analog channels, use "Fetch channels from listings provider" |
| [17:09:17] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [17:09:33] | sphery: | so, just download the channel list from Schedules Direct |
| [17:09:48] | sphery: | if you're not using Schedules Direct, manually create channels in mythtv-setup |
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| [17:10:33] | doug_dt: | sphery: Bummer. There's dozens of channels. :-) Ok, let me try that. Thanks. |
| [17:10:55] | sphery: | and, FWIW, I would recommend against using a framegrabber and software encoding the video--it's inefficient and /extremely/ hard to set up correctly |
| [17:11:12] | sphery: | you're better off with a PVR-150 or PVR-500 or the analog side of a HVR-1600 or whatever |
| [17:11:22] | sphery: | and note that Schedules Direct is really the way to go |
| [17:11:32] | sphery: | you need valid listings data for MythTV to be useful |
| [17:11:56] | doug_dt: | Nod. I just want to make sure this is going to work before going Schedules Direct. |
| [17:12:19] | doug_dt: | How do you tell MythTV that the card has two tuners? |
| [17:12:44] | sphery: | and the only legal source of listings data in North America is Schedules Direct or EIT (which is only on digital channels--and is generally very poor quality and may have much less than one day's worth of schedule data available in the US) |
| [17:12:59] | sphery: | Schedules Direct has a free 7-day trial |
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| [17:13:20] | doug_dt: | Thanks for the info |
| [17:13:41] | sphery: | so, that gives you 3 weeks of listings data (2 weeks at a time updated daily, so a total of 3 weeks) |
| [17:13:56] | sphery: | http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ |
| [17:14:22] | sphery: | as far as "2 tuners", it's actually 2 Capture Card definitions in mythtv |
| [17:14:29] | sphery: | one for the digital side and one for the analog side |
| [17:14:53] | sphery: | but since the card can only use one or the other, you have to ensure they're in the same-named Input Group (so that only one at a time is used) |
| [17:15:11] | doug_dt: | I didn't see any way of setting up two definitions. |
| [17:16:20] | doug_dt: | I'll do some more research. Thanks for all the help. |
| [17:17:00] | sphery: | in mythtv-setup |
| [17:17:08] | sphery: | the same way you created the first capture card, create a 2nd |
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| [17:36:07] | ctmjr: | I have a 2tb usb hard drive doing nothing, can i add it to mythtv for recordings or would it be to slow |
| [17:37:34] | doug_dt: | sphery: I tried that, but it tells me the card is already in use. |
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| [19:00:56] | Kwisher: | ctmjr: no harm in trying |
| [19:01:18] | Kwisher: | do you have room for another internal drive? |
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| [19:17:40] | ctmjr: | Kwisher: I do have room for more internal drives have 10 now was cleaning up my closet and found the usb drive, so it got me to thinking. am trying it now will see. |
| [19:18:54] | ** ctmjr thinking is a dangerous thing ** | |
| [19:19:07] | Kwisher: | is it 3.5 size? |
| [19:20:47] | stuartm: | most external usb drives are just sata drives in an enclosure – remove them from the case and you can use them internally with full-speed sata |
| [19:21:13] | stuartm: | a few are hard-wired as usb |
| [19:21:13] | Kwisher: | stuartm: that was going to be my suggestion :) |
| [19:21:52] | stuartm: | Kwisher: I know :) |
| [19:22:06] | Kwisher: | ctmjr: are you running out of free space on the pc with 10 drives? |
| [19:22:51] | Kwisher: | is that same pc your myth b/e? |
| [19:23:00] | ctmjr: | that was my idea too but it is a usb 3.0 drive and the controller is not compatible |
| [19:23:29] | Kwisher: | ctmjr: the drive inside should be standard sata drive |
| [19:24:43] | stuartm: | may be – some manufacturers are removing the sata connectors to prevent people doing what we're suggesting – external drives are very often cheaper than the internal versions due to strong competition |
| [19:27:28] | ctmjr: | stuartm: that is what western digital did to this drive |
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| [19:35:04] | ctmjr: | if your wondering what it looks like here is a video of it being taking it apart 3:54 into it shows it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eFkjx9oWfI |
| [19:38:01] | Kwisher: | that's a laptop drive |
| [19:38:47] | Kwisher: | probably not worth the effort for an internal pc drive |
| [19:40:01] | Kwisher: | ctmjr: please answer my previous questions |
| [19:42:25] | ctmjr: | Kwisher: you mean running out of space? no I am not. |
| [19:43:11] | Kwisher: | ctmjr: are you running out of free space on the pc with 10 drives |
| [19:43:19] | Kwisher: | is that same pc your myth b/e? |
| [19:45:13] | stuartm: | Kwisher: laptop size drives work just the same as 3.5" drives – all SSDs are 2.5" for example |
| [19:45:25] | ctmjr: | no i am not running out of space and yes they are in the box that runs mythbackend that is all it does. |
| [19:45:40] | Kwisher: | true, but you'd have to find rails |
| [19:46:02] | stuartm: | the problem with that drive is that they've replaced the sata connectors with a usb one – partly to save space, but also to stop people using them as sata drives |
| [19:46:07] | Kwisher: | or other mounting means |
| [19:51:20] | drussell_: | ctmjr: I used an old, early, slow 2tb external USB 2.0-only drive for quite some time on 0.24 and it worked fine, plenty of speed even to record multiple HDs raw and/or multiple transcodes at the same time, no issues. (It surprised me) Transcoding was slower for lossless, of course, but otherwise worked just fine. I'd go for it, will probably just work |
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| [19:52:22] | drussell_: | ctmjr: Just don't put it on the same bus as a string of digital tuners or something... That would be asking for problems :) |
| [19:55:43] | ctmjr: | drussell_: thank you will see what happens |
| [19:58:20] | ctmjr: | i look at it as an experiment not a necessity |
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| [20:00:27] | houms: | is it possible to transcode a recording in place (replace the original mpeg2) to h264? is this something better to do after it is complete? |
| [20:01:24] | wagnerrp_: | you can, but you would need to use external utilities. mythtranscode cannot output h264 in that manner |
| [20:01:47] | wagnerrp_: | although typically, it's only worth transcoding to h264 if you've got a portable device that requires h264 (or small files) |
| [20:03:10] | drussell_: | ctmjt: It was an experiment for me also one day when I needed more space... It worked so well it stayed plugged in for the next year and a half or so :) |
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| [20:05:02] | houms: | wagnerrp. thank you very much for your insight. main reason is to have files in 264 for roku since it does not accept other formats |
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| [20:09:30] | houms: | i already have allow transcoding enable on general in mythtv-setup. is it possible to schedule a user job post recording to transcode? or have it auto-transcode each recording? if i manually do transcode now from mythtv-web interface it seems to work and gives a .nuv file in storage dir |
| [20:15:26] | wagnerrp_: | you can define a user job, and specify that user job be automatically run by your recording rules |
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| [20:18:18] | houms: | wagnerrp thank you once again, mythtranscode is not what i want to use though correct? do you have any suggestions? i have seen ffmpeg and handbrake being suggested in various write-ups, but not certain what is simplest route |
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| [20:33:34] | wagnerrp_: | houms: not off hand. there's a couple scripts on the wiki, and a couple more floating around the mailing list, but i haven't bothered transcoding anything in maybe 6 years |
| [20:35:01] | Kwisher: | houms: handbrake is nice |
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| [20:35:39] | Kwisher: | you can probable find so cli for it via google, although i believe it use ffmpeg |
| [20:36:09] | houms: | i think i will give hanbrake a try then. I assume I could use it to be defined in a user job to be run against the recording. question is , is that run at the end of recording? if so then iwill have two files types for same recording unless the script in user job takes care of that correct? |
| [20:36:41] | houms: | i guess i should confirm if the ffmpeg from deb multimeda repo has h264 support |
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| [20:45:41] | wagnerrp_: | there is a stub on the wiki to allow you to add a transcoder command, and it will take care of everything else |
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| [21:02:58] | houms: | thanks for your help wagnerrp. always helpful... is this it http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Transcode_wrapper_stub? also will this be fine to use with .27? |
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