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Hydr0p0nX:

is there a way to either list channels by callsign (i.e., fx is followed directly by fxhd) or see all of the times a show plays from the guide?

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[R]:

search for the show

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[R]:

there also is a sorting setting in the frontend settings about the guide

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Hydr0p0nX:

I thought there was, just didn't see it, I'll look again

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houms:

is there any docs on setting up hauppauge 2250?

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houms:

this is version .27 from deb multimedia repo, it seems the driver is loaded http://pastie.org/8668060, i am a bit unclear how to setup the tuner card via myth-setup, I guess a better question is what card type should i be picking for the 2250? I am just using it for recording OTA

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houms:

also do i need the firmware (NXP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw) or is that only required for analog?

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Hydr0p0nX:

should just need to setup a capture card + video source

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Hydr0p0nX:

then map them and scan channels

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houms:

thanks for response hydroponx, i got it setup now. it was missing the firmware

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houms:

now i am at least getting the backend to start and talking to sql

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houms:

and mythweb seems to be working

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houms:

just trying to find out how to get listing for OTA

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houms:

it did pick up 9 channels, which i think is due to the amount of coax and splitters as the tv upstairs has like 45 channels on the same antennta, but it will do for now, as I think i need an amp or perhaps a separate antenna. nonetheless i just want to get listing and record two channels and confirm it is working

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Shadow__X:

houms: dont forget to scan the different freqs

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houms:

Shadow__X: how do i go about doing that?

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Shadow__X:

houms: its within the scanning options. hrc irc etc

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houms:

is that for OTA hd antenna?

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houms:

i thought that stuff was for cable stuff .. qam etc..

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Shadow__X:

not sure but when i was using qam i had to scan those to get all my channels

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houms:

thanks for advice. not sure it relates to broadcast OTA which is all i am after at the moment

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houms:

if i chose OTA crap nevermind

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houms:

just a mythfilldatabase

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wagnerrp:

no, don't bother with them

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wagnerrp:

you on;y want to use "us-bcast"

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wagnerrp:

and 8-vsb

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houms:

thanks wagnerp. that is what i suspected. Though i do not have the 8-vsb option

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wagnerrp:

then you're either looking in the wrong place, or have chosen wrong other options

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wagnerrp:

broadcast television in north america uses 8vsb

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wagnerrp:

when you configured the tuner, did you define it as an MPEG encoder or a DVB tuner?

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houms:

dvb tuner . because i am under the impression mpeg is for analog and not hd (mpeg2)

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wagnerrp:

there is no "HD" television, merely digital

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houms:

which is mpeg2 no?

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wagnerrp:

digital may be HD, or SD, but it's all a compressed stream and your tuner cares not either way

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wagnerrp:

digital TV in NA is MPEG2, and so is the output of the MPEG encoder on your card

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houms:

then i am not supposed to be using dvb?

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wagnerrp:

you should be using dvb

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jarle:

What does "EITCache: Ignoring channel 1412 since it is locked." actually mean? locked how?

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AndyCap:

Heh, streaming mjpeg from hdmi. http://danman.eu/blog/?p=110

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stuartm:

mjpeg though ... guess they didn't want to pay for an mpeg2 or h.264 license

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AndyCap:

stuartm: probably whatever's the cheapest and easiest to implement

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lautriv:

alternate suggestions how to get livetv-speed normalized on nouveau ?

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houms:

I setup mythtv yesterday, this is debian jessie and deb multimedia repo mythtv .27. I got my capture card and channels setup. the listings are there and i have even recorded two programs at the same time. I am curious about watching the video from mythweb. under recorded programs they are there but when i hit asx stream or download i get internel server error. I am thinking either my mythweb.conf is not setup right or because

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houms:

i have the master and local backend set to 127.0.0.1?

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houms:

can anyone post a sample mythweb.conf or point me to where i may find one?

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wagnerrp:

does your apache server instance have file permissions to access your recordings?

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wagnerrp:

does it also have apache directives to allow access to those paths?

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lautriv:

wagnerrp, any ideas about the fast live watching on nouveau ? someone pasted a link yesterday where some fast audio sync is mentioned but there is no such option on mine.

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wagnerrp:

use nvidia

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lautriv:

nvidia is used to bloat and crash.

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houms:

here is the conf http://pastie.org/8668992. I am pretty sure i am missing some basic things. the way it is package in debian seems strange

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wagnerrp:

houms: you likely need to add another <Directory> stanza for your recording paths

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houms:

embarrassingly enough, i can't even find the recording on the box

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houms:

i am trying to follow this guide http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb#Apache_Configuration

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houms:

under securing mythweb – other linux flavors

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wagnerrp:

what path did you tell mythtv to record to in mythtv-setup

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lautriv:

houms, did you have/set a default storage ?

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houms:

I setup default to /var/lib/mythtv/

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houms:

and then setup a couple of other under that dir like Recordings, Movies, etc

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wagnerrp:

those other groups won't get used unless you specify in your recording rules to record to them

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wagnerrp:

but any paths you've defined, add a Directory stanza to your apache config

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houms:

fair enough, but there is nothing in the /var/lib/mythtv/ dir or subdirs

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houms:

as far as recordings go

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wagnerrp:

all recordings are made to the root defined path, so subdirectories will not be used

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houms:

let me double check as i am certain that is the dir i told it

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houms:

ok so default under storage groups is set to /var/lib/mythtv/Movies/ but there is nothing there when i 'ls' the dir

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houms:

i would have expected a file to exist no?

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wagnerrp:

had you made recordings, or were you watching live tv?

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houms:

no i made recordings

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houms:

they even show up in the recorded programs list

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wagnerrp:

did they successfully play in the frontend?

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houms:

well that was where i started on my first post. basically the shows say they are recorded and are list but when i hit asx or direct download link under recorded programs i get "The requested URL /mythweb/mythweb.pl/pl/stream/2091/1390716840.asx was not found on this server."

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wagnerrp:

could you post your backend logs from the time of the recording? make sure it actually recorded?

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houms:

https://paste.debian.net/78445/ i think you were 100% right it seems my permissions are fubar

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houms:

the /var/lib/mythtv should be owned by mythtv user correct? my that i mean the user who is running the backend?

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houms:

according to that log it seems it could not write to the location for the recordings. not sure since mythweb believes the shows were recorded, but that is because it is looking at what the db says?

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houms:

okay changed permissions of /usr/share/mythtv to apache2 and changed /var/lib/mythtv to mythtv

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houms:

it seems to be working as far as recording but when i try to shedule the second recording it shows

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houms:

last recorded 0000-00–00 00:00:00 for the second show

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skd5aner:

sphery: ping, you around today?

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louisdk:

Hi. I'm trying to make custom key bindings for an ir remote with lirc. However when I run lirc it's not all keys have are recognized. This confuses me. It's an asrock remote and it's recognized as nuvoton-cir.

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lautriv:

louisdk, did you record it or used some premade table ?

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|PSU|:

hi guys...any suggestions if i'm unable to display on my tv? receiving the "resolution not supported" error on the tv. tried looking if there was an option to shrink to fit but it's grayed out

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lautriv:

|PSU|, tell your setup to use a proper resolution ?

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|PSU|:

mythbutu...0.25, samsung 46" LCD, output from nvido dvi to HDMI. the DVI to HDMI cable goes from the PC direct to TV.

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lautriv:

|PSU|, did your adaptor receive any DDC?

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|PSU|:

lautriv: what is DDC?

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|PSU|:

my tv saw the Dell BIOS if that's what u mean?

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lautriv:

|PSU|, some serial line on the video sending details about your screens abilities, shown in Xorg.0.log. if not, provide a modline

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lautriv:

*mode

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|PSU|:

ok i can check the logs...where would i look?

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lautriv:

a wild guess would be /var/log, they are used to lurk there.

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wagnerrp:

in your Xorg logs, there should be a whole lot of lines about pulling and parsing the EDID block

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wagnerrp:

did you start your X server before turning on your TV?

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wagnerrp:

any "proper" display is supposed to be able to power the DDC circuitry off the DVI/HDMI cable

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|PSU|:

wagnerrp: yes. then tried restarting the myth box. should i try power cycling the TV as well?

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wagnerrp:

so an EDID block can be pulled even if the display is unplugged

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wagnerrp:

most TVs do not follow this requirement

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|PSU|:

ok

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|PSU|:

ok i found the Xorg log

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|PSU|:

http://pastebin.com/nLBirXLG

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|PSU|:

not sure exactly what i am looking for

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lautriv:

|PSU|, what you pasted is what the card can do, there is another part talking about the screens abilities, somewhere around connector X attached to .....

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lautriv:

or rather output instead connector

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|PSU|:

what should i grep on?

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Steve-Goodey:

wagnerrp: You fiddled with the wiki?

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|PSU|:

lautriv: 18.605] (II) RADEON(0): Output DVI-0 connected

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lautriv:

|PSU|, just paste the whole.

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wagnerrp:

Steve-Goodey: not recently. what's wrong?

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|PSU|:

lautriv: http://pastebin.com/s7sryRxj

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lautriv:

|PSU|, regarding your log, the TV sent an EDID block and was set to 1920x1080 which is supported.

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Steve-Goodey:

Weird, spamaccounts seemed to have dropped off. Thought you'd done something.

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|PSU|:

lautriv: Thanks. what does that mean ? :)

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lautriv:

|PSU|, that means, it _should_ just work. maybe your vsync is to high, tell xorg.conf to use a specific (lower) resolution or refresh.

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|PSU|:

ok

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|PSU|:

looks like ubuntu doesn't use xorg.conf any more...

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houms:

I am having issues with capture card. i get cannot open. not sure if it is permissions issue with /dev/dvb. this is new install

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lautriv:

|PSU|, that is not ubuntu-specific, recent xorg does autodetect anything but you may still provide some xorg.conf or partial entries in xorg.conf.d

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lautriv:

houms, happens if something claims it already, maybe backend up while you try to scan ?

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|PSU|:

lautriv: so where would i find xorg.conf.d?

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lautriv:

|PSU|, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/something

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|PSU|:

don't have that dir

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houms:

which is odd lautriv because when i run mythtv backend setup it ask if it should stop any instances

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houms:

then prompted for my current login pw and then the mythsetup screen comes up

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lautriv:

houms, hat that issue 1000 times, some mythbackend running crazy without a *.pid, just pkill -9 mythbackend

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houms:

tanks lautriv. I did that then when into the backend setup again. it did not ask me this time, however i am getting could not get card info for /dev/dvb/adpter0/frontend0

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houms:

i am selecting DVB DTV capture card 3.x

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lautriv:

houms, what card is that ?

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houms:

this is a hauppauge 2250. i copied over NXP7164-2010-03–10.1.fw to /lib/firmware

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houms:

i get this http://pastie.org/8669478 in when i look for firmware in dmesg logs

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lautriv:

houms, cycle through thae kind of card, there should be some entry starting with DVB-T/S/C or the like.

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houms:

lspci shows – 02:00.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7164 (rev 81)

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houms:

you mean under capture card setup

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houms:

card type?

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houms:

there is no other dvb listed there

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houms:

i see to think either the user is not part of the proper group to access the dev or the permissions on the device are wrong

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houms:

but mostly stuff in /dev is in root.relatedgroup setting

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lautriv:

yes, i meant that ( top on list ) i use some hvr4000 which are listed there

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lautriv:

houms, 0.27, no ?

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houms:

according to dpkg it is .25

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houms:

this is mythubuntu 12.0.3

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houms:

i mean 12.04.0

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houms:

3

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lautriv:

houms, got disconnected, seen my lat line ?

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houms:

your last line was .27 no?

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houms:

did you see my reply to that?

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lautriv:

ok, then it may have changed the name .... exit setup, check existence of /dev/dvb/adapter0/* maybe reload kernel-modules. <-- real last line

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houms:

yes /dev/dvb/adapter0 and 1 exist and both have dmux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0

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houms:

odd thing is it shows up under mpeg2 encoder card

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houms:

and refs video0 and video1

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lautriv:

houms, you may have fun to cat it ;)

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houms:

but i thought those were for analog only

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houms:

lol cat the dev?:P

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lautriv:

houms, lemme check mine ...

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lautriv:

houms, i have 2 of demux,dvr and net. one for each frontend below adaptorX

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houms:

here is mine http://pastie.org/8669534

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houms:

this is frustrating to say the least. not sure if i should be using the mpeg2 encorder card option or not, but from what i have been able to find /dev/video1/0 are analog

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houms:

but i am new to all this so what do i know :P

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houms:

lautriv what kind of card?

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lautriv:

videoX is analog, also found in another selection of mythtv-setup. the only thing that differs from mine is the amount of frontends and the minor numbers. try to unload/load the modules

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houms:

i unload saa7164

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houms:

and then reload but no luck

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lautriv:

did you unload all the others like tuner_simple etc ?

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houms:

wait i do not have tuner_simple

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houms:

http://pastie.org/8669563

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houms:

here is full lsmod http://pastie.org/8669566

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lautriv:

houms, do a pastebin from lspci -vvv

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lautriv:

houms, ... and a complete lsmod

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houms:

http://pastie.org/8669585

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houms:

the complete lsmod i linked above http://pastie.org/8669566

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houms:

now i am think i do not have the right firmware perhaps? or modprobe needs to be told which card

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houms:

this is driving me crazy. I think I will just have to wipe and install from scratchbut install myth on top of debian or something

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stuartm:

houms: you could ask in #linuxtv, there no guarantee but they are the ones who write the drivers and know the hardware best

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stuartm:

actually, reading back, if the /dev/dvb/adapters* exist then the driver is fine, it's loaded – what's the problem you're having?

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stuartm:

ah, permissions – make sure the user you're running mythbackend/mythtv-setup under is a member of the 'video' grou[

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stuartm:

group

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lautriv:

houms, doesn't the 2250 have a conexant on the board ?

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houms:

lautriv i am not certain

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houms:

i would have to go down to the box and open it up

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houms:

i agree with stuartm though

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houms:

as the card seems to be loading fine according to dmesg

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stuartm:

yeah, card is fine, it's either one of two issues: permissions or something else is using the card

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houms:

stuartm when you say the user, this is a little confusing since running mythubuntu. it seems it is run as the one i am logged in as?

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houms:

since it is a fresh install of mythubuntu . anything i could check to see if it is being used. not sure what could be using it

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ctmjr:

you might want to upgrade from .25 to .26 or better yet .27 then start trouble shootin it

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stuartm:

houms: on mythbuntu it runs as 'mythtv'

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houms:

i would assume if i rmmod when it was being used i would not be able to remove the module

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stuartm:

correct

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houms:

if i sudo su – mythtv

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houms:

and then do groups i get mythtv,dialout,cdrom,audio,video

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houms:

so that just leaves a permission problem

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houms:

ctmjr, if there is a simple way of upgrading i am open to doing that

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houms:

i am also fine with sticking with .25 if it is stable and working

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stuartm:

houms: the guys in #mythbuntu might be able to help with the specifics of the ubuntu setup

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houms:

it says i cannot join that channel and have to be invited

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lautriv:

houms, i guess that's no problem of a version, my 0.25 worked in the past.

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stuartm:

houms: should forward you to #ubuntu-mythtv

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houms:

oh then yeah i have already asked there couple of hours ago and no response yet

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houms:

thank for suggestion though

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houms:

i guess i could chown /dev/dvb to mythtv and see what happens?

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houms:

is the NXP7164 firmware file the only one i need or is there something else?

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lautriv:

houms, still wondering why you have no conexant in lspci

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houms:

i am not sure

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houms:

what log would i look at to see why mythtv cannot find card info?

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lautriv:

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ctmjr:

houms how did you set up the cards when you where running mythtv .27 on debian yesterday. and now your running .25 on mythbuntu and it does not work that is why i suggested upgrading, mythbuntu is pretty good at setting things up almost to easy

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houms:

yeah i think i will go back to my debian install. they are on separate disks so no biggie but have an even more annoying problem on debian where both shows will not record at the same time. that was working fine yesterday or so i thought, but i had permissions issue with the storage group location and tried to fix that which i think ended up breaking my tuner setup

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lautriv:

houms, you can set the amount of simultaneous records per card, given it is on the same transponder.

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houms:

yes i know that. they helped me with that yesterday and it was working but something i did today broke it

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lautriv:

houms, most likely something patched by canonical :P

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houms:

isn't it always

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lautriv:

houms, back on debian ?

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sjmikem1:

Hi, trying to scan channels from my HD Homerun Prime. Finding channels, but all are unnamed. Scanning works find from hdhomerun CLI tool. Any tip?

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houms:

lautriv yes.

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houms:

have no choice really

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lautriv:

heh, nothing bad on using the original ;)

[21:55:20]

houms:

which was my original choice. actually run it everywhere else. just not being a video guru makes it difficult to understand some of this stuff

[21:55:58]

lautriv:

houms, still better to ask than having a messy version ...

[21:57:49]

justinh:

man, Google Chrome is really grinding my gears lately. What's making it suck so?

[21:58:08]

justinh:

oh. Hootsuite.

[22:00:30]

stuartm:

Chromium (the spyware free version) is nice and fast, makes it very tempting to switch over to it full time instead of just when I need to test things

[22:01:04]

justinh:

I loved it when I first tried it, Chrome I mean. But now it's just sucky

[22:01:26]

stuartm:

still hoping (probably in vain) for a new version of Opera for linux

[22:01:58]

justinh:

gesture based scrolling has always been a bit unreliable too

[22:02:18]

stuartm:

in theory it would be at least as fast as Chrome but with all the other options I like from Opera – well that's the hope

[22:02:31]

justinh:

I only use Opera for testing at the mo

[22:02:46]

justinh:

I don't quite feel as dirty using it as IE though

[22:02:59]

sjmikem1:

If I missed a FAQ somewhere, please feel free to point me to it :-)

[22:03:21]

stuartm:

not so sure of that having seem the new opera for android, they've stripped all the privacy features and enabled some decidedly big brother features

[22:04:06]

stuartm:

sjmikem1: I'm not expert , but you need to use your SD lineup instead of scanning

[22:04:16]

lautriv:

no wonder since chrom* and androshit is all the same big spy.

[22:04:16]

justinh:

I find Dolphin to be the least frustrating browser on my phone

[22:04:34]

justinh:

and MS & Apple phones never call home? Hahahaha

[22:05:11]

** justinh wouldn't be seen dead with a crackberry **

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justinh:

and if it runs any version of MS Office... NO

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justinh:

and if you need iTunes just to talk to the phone... again NO

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justinh:

for me Android is the lesser of a few weevils

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stuartm:

lautriv: sadly, yes, I try to minimise the personal data leakage by using Cyanogen and removing/disabling as much stuff as I can ... but there's no alternative unfortunately, not yet anyway

[22:06:20]

justinh:

not the Ubuntu phone.. the way they're going

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lautriv:

stuartm, there are some unfinished plans to have a real linux with phone-capabilities.....somewhen

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stuartm:

I have a different google account for each of my android devices, I don't use paid apps, I disable the location features etc – basically I try as much as possible to thwart the NSA

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stuartm:

sorry, I mean the NSA

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justinh:

show me the shiny! SHOW ME THE SHINY! I WANT SHINY! I WANT SAME SHINY MY FRIENDS HAVE!

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stuartm:

oops, no Google

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justinh:

^^ reason why a Linux phone will likely fail, and/or be prohibitively expensive

[22:09:08]

stuartm:

that is Google, the wholly own NSA subsidiary

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stuartm:

owned

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justinh:

it needn't matter. The data carriers are up to their necks too

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houms:

i dont want to annoy lautriv

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justinh:

it won't matter whose OS your mobile device runs if it sits atop public IP networks

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lautriv:

houms, we are not omnipresent or can be called oracle but guess why we are lurking here ;)

[22:12:47]

justinh:

BTW, let me just say this to you all. NEVER, ever (!) procrastinate about insulating your loft space. We had a new roof fitted a couple of years ago & to get it up to code we had to fit 270mm of insulation throughout. The last 2 weekends, that's what I've been working on and now it's finished I'm tired & full of regret. Why did we collect so much crap – and why did we put the job off til we'd effectively sold our house?

[22:13:42]

houms:

:) and i appreciate it like you wouldn't believe

[22:14:06]

houms:

so i am back on debian and right now i have a single capture card configured with 2 recordings at a time

[22:14:24]

houms:

but when i go to record two things only the first one is recording

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justinh:

I've just thrown out another two framegrabbers I forgot I had

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justinh:

those & two ancient Nvidia cards.. AGP with TV outputs.. probably FX5200 or so

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houms:

should i be setting up both adapter0 and adapter1?

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stuartm:

justinh: I did that last year (or was it the year before?) – trips to the tip and charity stores every other day to get rid of all the crap, though there's still some stuff stored up there

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justinh:

stuartm: almost the whole loft was boarded. It was a bloody nightmare getting those up. Nailed down!

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stuartm:

added another 200mm to the insulation, but I can't say I've noticed the difference, heat leaves this place through the walls :/

[22:16:28]

lautriv:

houms, you can only use more than one channel to record from the same card if they are on the same transponder, else you need another card/tunder.

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justinh:

we had to get one of those stupid EPCs for selling the place. I wouldn't care but it's only a box-ticking points adding thing. No matter that your house construction type isn't suited to cavity insulation

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stuartm:

justinh: I left the boarding down and put the additional insulation on top – can't say whether that's in line with the current regs, but it made the job easier

[22:16:54]

justinh:

oh yeah it would.. then some.. and what the inspector can't see ;-)

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houms:

this card 2250 hauppauge says dual tuner and says i can record two at the same time

[22:17:45]

houms:

i assume then i need the second adapter

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justinh:

I was gonna do that, but I was on a mission this time – I wasn't willing to gamble the buildings inspector would be okay with it all. So I slaughtered the job – inspection is next Thursday, which it's bound to pass – then I can REST!

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justinh:

like my wife rang him & said we'd taken up all the boards except the ones over the hallway – would that be okay? He said yes. I wasn't calling his bluff since we bought enough to do the whole lot

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stuartm:

I actually ended up with 4 rolls (still wrapped) left over because I took advantage of a bulk-buy offer, might just put those down as well, don't think it will help but it can't hurt and it's better than them sitting around doing nothing

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lautriv:

houms, sure, it's one card but 2 tuners. you can still record more than one per tuner if they are on the same transponder. to get an idea how they are bundled, record a channel and try to switch live-tv on the same card..... you will see just a few of all channels, those are on the same transponder.

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justinh:

stuartm: the difference it's made.. I've never seen my breath in the loft.. until today

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justinh:

stuartm: but as you say, if there's a bigger area to lose heat from it'll go from there first

[22:21:23]

justinh:

we don't use our gas fire anymore, so I block up the flue with a towel. That makes a massive difference

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lautriv:

houms, if you have a closer look into the preferences of schedules, you can select on which input you will record. this way you may record even 8 things on 2 tuners, given they are balanced on 2 common transponders.

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stuartm:

justinh: that's the next thing I was going to look at, we've got two open fires, the wind howls down them when they aren't in use

[22:22:55]

stuartm:

the recommend solution is a 'chimney balloon', so going to give that a go

[22:23:10]

justinh:

yeah I heard about those after I did the towel trick.

[22:23:25]

justinh:

but it was one of the dog's old towels so I didn't care much

[22:23:40]

justinh:

oh and lime mortar dust.. is EVIL

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stuartm:

justinh: just remember to remove the towel before you go, don't want the headline "family killed by carbon monoxide poisoning days after moving into new home"

[22:24:36]

justinh:

hahaha

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stuartm:

something in the mortar dust that falls down the chimney here causes the flames to turn green – it's pretty cool

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houms:

8 things on 2 tuners at the same time?

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justinh:

houms: possibly 10 if your system can keep up

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stuartm:

spread across at least two disks

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houms:

if i start a recording and then delete and then try to rerecord it complains that it was already recorded and does not record it again. i am testing an am using the same channel/program as a previous test

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houms:

well that box has quad core and 8gig so if it can do 2 i would be happy

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stuartm:

record during testing of the feature was 11 programmes from one tuner – we limit it to 5 just to be on the safe side

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justinh:

I managed 10 on one on my very old 800Mhz athlon box. CPU load was pretty heavy throughout

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stuartm:

honestly if you can find 8 things to record at the same time on TV then you're doing better than most of us

[22:27:52]

houms:

and oddly some of the channels have program data and others don't which is odd

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lautriv:

houms, a transponder is sending a crapload of data containing video/audio(even several languages and quality) and data. what you record is just a matter of : selection-filter,selected transponder, maximum speed which you can process without bottleneck.

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houms:

lol i don't think tv has ever been that interesting

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houms:

so i didn't really need to buy a dual tuner?

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houms:

dumbass i am

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lautriv:

houms, nope. unlikely you match always the same transponder.

[22:29:46]

lautriv:

houms, and even than, you may record 2 while listening radio or view a third.

[22:30:08]

houms:

damn it...at least i know now :/

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stuartm:

houms: no, dual tuner is good, you can still only record things on the one tuner if they are on the same frequency – since you appear to be in the US, I believe that's a maximum of 2–3 channels which will often be related anyway, e.g. HD/SD version of the same channel

[22:30:58]

houms:

ah i see. still good to know that it is possible

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justinh:

stuartm: oh and only one or two itches since doing the install too.

[22:31:07]

stuartm:

houms: the rest of us (outside north america) often have several different channels 8 or more on a single frequency

[22:31:12]

houms:

wish i would have known before, but hey thats why i'm here

[22:31:22]

houms:

must be nice :P

[22:31:37]

houms:

i can't get this program to record

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lautriv:

houms, got EIT ?

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stuartm:

justinh: I was wearing the full kit, learnt my lesson the hard way in the past

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justinh:

houms: it's not always nice. the picture quality on those 8 channel transponders sucks

[22:32:34]

justinh:

stuartm: so was I

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stuartm:

should have seen how black the outside of the mask was when I took it off – glad that didn't end up in my lungs

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houms:

it is not showing in upcoming recordings but in recording schedule it shows up with last recorded time 0000-00–00 00:00:00

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stuartm:

guess that's what you get in 90 year old property in an industrial city

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houms:

where do i check eit?

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lautriv:

justinh, i have some bundles with HD, no problem of quality just seldom time to even watch it ;)

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justinh:

stuartm: I can imagine. I was fully respiratored up.. and still there's black gunk in my nostrils

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justinh:

lautriv: or the other problem.. little actually worth watching :P

[22:34:54]

lautriv:

justinh, that is, 95% crap for dumb homemates and ads.

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houms:

okay maybe this is related to the problem of the program not recording. when i exit out of myhtv-setup i get unable to create file /var/lib/mythtv/videos//.test – director is not writable

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justinh:

houms: so make it so the mythtv user can write to it

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** justinh curses. /var/lib/mythtv/ .. blah **

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lautriv:

houms, i wonder about that because debain defaults to create a proper uid/gid for mythtv and its dir ...

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houms:

well that is the thing

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houms:

here is dir permissions http://pastie.org/8670183

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lautriv:

houms, chmod 0755

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houms:

the entire mythtv dir under /var/lib?

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lautriv:

houms, yep

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houms:

recurse?

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lautriv:

indeed

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lautriv:

houms, and if you are there, why is mythweb owned by root ?

[22:46:13]

houms:

lautriv i do not know. this is how it is installed from debian multimedia repo

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houms:

:(

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|PSU|:

hi guys, i just upgraded from 0.25 to 0.27 and no longer have the option to "record show in this timeslot each day / week." was this changed or what could be wrong?

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houms:

i did the chmod and restarted backend

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houms:

still get that same error

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houms:

i assume it should be owned by www-data?

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houms:

the mythweb dir under /var/lib that is

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lautriv:

houms, i checked mine and you are right. we made a common mistake and ran mythtv-setup somewhen as root but that contains only channel-icons.

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|PSU|:

found my answer...was removed in 0.27 (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Scheduling_Recordings)

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houms:

fair enough. trust me the whole install has my head spinning.

[22:49:16]

houms:

as i am running mythtv-setup with the only user account i created during install. not sure if that is proper either. i did however add that user to the mythtv group

[22:50:07]

houms:

was 755 supposed to change the s bit on videos?

[22:52:44]

houms:

yeah something is fubared. i tried changing the dir to /var/libmythtv for the videos storage group and now the error is the same except it is the mythtv dir and not the video dir

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houms:

only thing i can think of is my user is running mythtv-setup so it only has group permissions, and the permissions do not allow group to write to those dirs which would explain the error.

[22:54:18]

houms:

just not sure how to resolve correctly other than changing permissions for the dir to 775

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lautriv:

houms, you should run the mythtv-setup AS mythtv which was created while you selected the package. (uid/gid 999)

[22:56:51]

houms:

is there a way to do that over ssh? or headless?

[22:57:01]

houms:

when i try i get cannot connect to x server

[22:57:10]

houms:

i thought there was a way around that

[22:58:22]

houms:

i can try xforwarding over ssh which is how i was accessing it as the user account on the box anyway, but with the mythtv user i get X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication.

[22:58:46]

lautriv:

houms, ssh -Y mythtv@yourbackend mythtv-setup

[22:59:09]

houms:

i assume i need to set the password first?

[22:59:14]

houms:

for the mythtv user?

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lautriv:

if not local, either set a password or a key for ssh

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houms:

thanks lautriv, i just went through it as you suggested and on exist i readjusted video strorage group to /videos again and it did not complain this time

[23:06:05]

houms:

now do i restart the backend?

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lautriv:

give it a shot, record something.

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houms:

son-of-a-bitch

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houms:

it is working. and two programs now are both recording

[23:08:32]

houms:

thank you lautriv... now i just have to figure out how to view the videos in mythweb

[23:09:18]

lautriv:

where the main issue was not 2 programs but the ability to write on hdd ( myth is actually never live but approx 2 seconds ahoead due to writing on disk and seeking from there)

[23:09:25]

houms:

when i try to play one of them from the recorded programs section it throws error saying /mythweb/mythweb.pl/pl/stream/1051/1390777680.asx was not found on this server.

[23:09:31]

herda05:

hey all, quick question, to record multiple shows using an HDhomerun ATSC tuner, would I need more than one of them?

[23:10:09]

herda05:

actually mentions dual tuners, so if I wanted to record 4 shows I'd need two of them?

[23:11:04]

houms:

so lautriv when i do mythtvsetup over ssh like that and it asks to stop backend

[23:11:12]

lautriv:

herda05, since you was already logged in while we talked about it, just scroll up.

[23:11:29]

houms:

after i exit do i need to restart backend? also i do not have to mythfilldatabase manually do i?

[23:11:57]

lautriv:

houms, in that case, it'll usually auto-restart. at least on 0.27

[23:12:09]

houms:

herda lautriv is talking about the schooling he gave me re tuners above

[23:13:21]

houms:

and mythfilldatabase does not need to be run manually correct? do you know what is broken in mythweb, or at least my installation?

[23:13:34]

lautriv:

houms, in default situations, you don't need manually mythfilldatabase but if you got a fresh setup it would be faster than waiting for it.

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herda05:

ok got it, thanks

[23:14:51]

lautriv:

herda05, but i never owned a hdhomerun, you may check how it transfers to myth ( maybe pre-filtered)

[23:16:31]

houms:

it seems the debian mythweb package is not set up properly by default . far as i can tell the mythweb.pl is in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb

[23:16:56]

houms:

not certain what the proper permissions are so that i can view the stream

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sjmikem1:

Noob question: does backend stream data from the source to the front end? or does it just tell the frontend how to connect to the source?

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houms:

where would the pl directory for streaming be? is this something that is created?

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kisak:

sjmikem1: all streams go to the mythbackend, then seperately are sent to the mythfrontend

[23:28:34]

kisak:

that should be mythbackend(s) and mythfrontend(s)

[23:31:59]

houms:

should i be changing permissions for /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb or symlinking somewhere else and then adusting the web.conf to point to new location?

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lautriv:

houms, my mythweb is owned by www-data which is default for apache

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sjmikem1:

kisak: yeah that's what I figured…any rationale for that? e.g. I have homerunhd which is tuning all the transcoding… why is backend necessary for anything besides control?

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houms:

here is my error http://pastie.org/8670318

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houms:

thanks lautriv

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houms:

so the debian package is broken i think

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houms:

as it defaults to root.root

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houms:

will give it a try, thanks again for all your help

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houms:

okay that does not seem to make a difference. I guess i am not sure but there is no pl directory

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|PSU|:

anyone familiar with the PVR-350 gray remote? i've got it partially working, but don't have all of the buttons (e.g., back, exit, etc.)

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