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| [02:11:27] | qu: | Does anyone know what ./configure wants to enable vdpau? |
| [02:11:50] | qu: | I've installed every vdpau-related header file I can think of. |
| [02:12:05] | qu: | (Debian Testing) |
| [02:13:05] | wagnerrp: | it should only require libvdpau, and presumably any headers that should be included with that but are placed in a separate package by distros for unknown reasons |
| [02:13:51] | qu: | I have libvdpai-dev installed, but ./configure refuses to recognize it. |
| [02:14:54] | wagnerrp: | then look into config.ep and figure out what it's complaining about |
| [02:16:59] | kisak: | the gentoo ebuild optionally adds --enable-vdpau to ./configure |
| [02:17:32] | qu: | I manually put that in, but still no-go. Checking config.ep... |
| [02:17:37] | wagnerrp: | it's unnecessary. vdpau is enabled by default |
| [02:17:55] | wagnerrp: | it's only disabled if you're missing dependencies |
| [02:19:28] | kisak: | I should disable the use flag and see if this ebuild still builds in vdpau support since that line looks off in the ebuild if it works automatically by default |
| [02:19:58] | wagnerrp: | there's no harm in forcing it to enabled |
| [02:20:11] | wagnerrp: | since it's still going to go through the same configure check to see if the prereqs exist |
| [02:21:10] | kisak: | meaning the ebuild may fail to disable vdpau if the crazy user wants it disabled, but has the dependencies for vdpau |
| [02:21:26] | wagnerrp: | is there no negative? |
| [02:22:18] | kisak: | the line reads `use vdpau && myconf="${myconf} --enable-vdpau"` instead of `myconf="${myconf} $(use_enable vdpau)"` |
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| [02:23:13] | kisak: | anyway, only crazy admins would have that scenario |
| [02:25:05] | qu: | O hell, whereas I put --enable-vdpau at the beginning of (my very long) configure, toward the end was still --disable-vdpau. |
| [02:25:54] | wagnerrp: | if you have a very long configure, you're probably doing something wrong |
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| [02:26:14] | qu: | I disable everything except what I absolutely use. |
| [02:26:18] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [02:26:32] | qu: | Extra flotsam to go wrong. |
| [02:26:48] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [02:26:53] | qu: | There have been times when compile would fail due to an unrelated device. |
| [02:26:57] | kisak: | inactive code is ... inert |
| [02:27:14] | qu: | Trust me. |
| [02:27:41] | qu: | I'm trying to get hardware accel on this AMD card. |
| [02:27:57] | wagnerrp: | if the compile fails due to an unrelated device, that's either a misconfigured system, or a bug in mythtv that aught to get fixed |
| [02:28:18] | wagnerrp: | either way, it's better to see it than throw arguments on top of it to mask the issue |
| [02:28:34] | qu: | There have been bugs. I just do it this way for years because of that. I can't use Myth at all for now. |
| [02:28:55] | qu: | Neither QT nor any GL works. |
| [02:29:15] | wagnerrp: | standard behavior for AMD hardware on Linux |
| [02:29:22] | kisak: | sad but true |
| [02:29:49] | qu: | I've been floundering around with this for weeks, putting up with insults that I should go to nVidia by ppl who don't know what else I'm doing. |
| [02:30:09] | wagnerrp: | are you the opencl guy? |
| [02:30:14] | qu: | Yes. |
| [02:30:19] | qu: | And CAL++ |
| [02:30:22] | kisak: | last I heard vaapi was the way to go with this scenario |
| [02:30:28] | wagnerrp: | the same issue exists there as well |
| [02:30:39] | wagnerrp: | the industry overwhelmingly uses CUDA because it works |
| [02:30:40] | qu: | VA-API doesn't work with Myth. |
| [02:30:56] | wagnerrp: | even if theoretical numbers claim AMD hardware is faster |
| [02:31:33] | qu: | It's not theoretical. I'm getting 1.52 MHashes/sec on it, which is light-years ahead of anything else. |
| [02:31:39] | Korny: | Open ELC seem to have AMD stuff working well |
| [02:31:49] | Korny: | with xbmc |
| [02:32:37] | Korny: | So there's hope lol |
| [02:33:21] | kisak: | well, this is where someone discretely hands you a disclaimer that your milage may vary and let you do whatever you want |
| [02:33:24] | qu: | Nobody knows how to use xbmc with the myth backend. And I don't think it can cut commercials.. |
| [02:34:07] | kisak: | it would in my house :D |
| [02:34:09] | Korny: | Hey wagnerrp, you use an intel graphics card for one of yoru boxes, how do you adjust overscan? its not as simple as a nvidia card with a slider |
| [02:34:10] | qu: | Hey man, I've been around for 10 years. |
| [02:34:35] | wagnerrp: | with the screen setup wizard, in mythfrontend |
| [02:34:54] | wagnerrp: | you don't adjust overscan, you merely resize the mythtv UI to match |
| [02:35:03] | Korny: | I meant outside myth, or don't you worry about that |
| [02:35:14] | qu: | OK Myth is compiled. Now to see what kind of potatoes we have. |
| [02:35:16] | wagnerrp: | i don't do anything outside of myth |
| [02:36:16] | wagnerrp: | ok... 10 hours later and my system is mostly functional after a bungled upgrade, time to set up a Clang buildbot |
| [02:36:49] | ** Korny is debating upgrading to ubuntu 14.04 lts ** | |
| [02:37:12] | Korny: | Everything is running so well right now, I sitll have 3 years worth of support :/ |
| [02:37:26] | wagnerrp: | apparently the freebsd10 stage 2 bootloader doesn't know how to handle a system with 14 disks |
| [02:37:31] | wagnerrp: | so it just up and crashes |
| [02:38:02] | Korny: | 14 disks isn't THAT rare |
| [02:38:11] | wagnerrp: | either that, or it can't handle RAID-Z2 vdevs |
| [02:38:38] | wagnerrp: | either way, i have to wait until halfway through my boot cycle to turn half my hard drives on |
| [02:39:10] | wagnerrp: | and at some point, i need to haul 100lbs of server back down two flights of stairs to my basement |
| [02:39:47] | Korny: | That makes me feel even lazier about rebooting one of my front ends using terminal emulator on my phone :( |
| [02:39:57] | Korny: | instead of getting up and walking 10 feet to the front end |
| [02:40:27] | wagnerrp: | my big concern is that it's also my general server, including mail |
| [02:40:35] | wagnerrp: | so if i lose power when i'm out of town, that's it |
| [02:40:43] | wagnerrp: | no remote recover |
| [02:40:44] | wagnerrp: | y |
| [02:45:05] | qu: | Everything fails. vaapi, vdpau, qt, opengl1. |
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| [02:46:44] | qu: | Setting Painter to Auto and Playbach to opengl1, error on output device. |
| [02:47:02] | qu: | Playback to vaapi and mythfrontend segfaults. |
| [02:47:36] | qu: | Playback on vdpau, it tries to start the video forever. |
| [02:47:56] | qu: | Playback on qt, error on output device. |
| [02:48:09] | wagnerrp: | should be opengl2 |
| [02:48:27] | qu: | Oh? Not Auto? |
| [02:48:34] | wagnerrp: | no, not opengl1 |
| [02:48:51] | qu: | What should I set Playback to? |
| [02:49:11] | qu: | vaapi, vdpau, normal, etc. |
| [02:49:17] | wagnerrp: | no... i mean the option is "opengl2", not "opengl1". are you actually seeing "opengl1"? |
| [02:49:54] | qu: | I can choose for Painter, Qt, Auto, Opengl1 or opengl2. |
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| [02:50:28] | qu: | Then Playback is a whole nother bucket of beans. |
| [02:50:36] | Korny: | wagnerrp: btw earlier I was refering to the outets that look like GFI outlets teh square ones, |
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| [02:55:46] | qu: | Painter=Opengl2 makes the whole screen black. |
| [02:56:51] | qu: | https://paste.debian.net/77156/ |
| [02:57:40] | qu: | Can't get gui to change it. |
| [02:58:31] | qu: | I don't see any substantive errors in the log of course. |
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| [03:03:50] | qu: | Another night without TV. |
| [03:05:21] | Korny: | What exactly are you trying to do? Because if you're really desprate you could livecd boot a mythbuntu distro |
| [03:05:58] | qu: | Trying to run Myth on an AMD 7990. |
| [03:06:21] | qu: | But this isn't the only thing the 7990 is doing, so I can't boot to something else. |
| [03:06:42] | qu: | Myth is not taking in the headers needed, from the driver includes. |
| [03:07:22] | qu: | va-api works on the system, opengl works, opencl works. But none of it in mythtv. |
| [03:07:49] | qu: | I have a feeling this is a busted aspect of myth. |
| [03:08:01] | qu: | No AMD. |
| [03:10:47] | Korny: | You spent 800 dollars+ on a video card ugg :) |
| [03:11:22] | Korny: | I dont' keep track of video cards anymore, but is that a fairly new card? |
| [03:11:23] | wagnerrp: | because he's cheaping out and not buying the $3000+ card with ECC memory |
| [03:11:38] | wagnerrp: | he's using it as a poor mans compute card, not a graphics card |
| [03:11:38] | Korny: | Maybe the linux drivers just suck balls? |
| [03:11:53] | Korny: | oh |
| [03:12:32] | qu: | Actually it's a $1,200 card. |
| [03:12:54] | qu: | You mean a 'poor man's supercomputer'? |
| [03:13:15] | qu: | triple 7990's, water-cooled. |
| [03:13:46] | Korny: | I don't think I could ever spend that much money on one of those lol |
| [03:13:53] | qu: | The 7990 is discontinued. But it's still the fastest opencl on the planet. |
| [03:13:59] | wagnerrp: | i don't consider the vector units on a GPU to be sufficiently general purpose to be considered a "supercomputer" |
| [03:14:07] | kisak: | if you want to think in 1980's supercomputer terms, sure why not |
| [03:14:21] | qu: | You ppl don't know. |
| [03:14:32] | wagnerrp: | nah, he's got something comparable to late 90s in that thing |
| [03:14:48] | qu: | So we're going to bicker over the video card, rather than find the problem. |
| [03:15:16] | wagnerrp: | neither of us know anything about the video rendering aspects of mythtv to find the problem |
| [03:15:28] | wagnerrp: | so drivel is all that remains |
| [03:15:30] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [03:15:46] | qu: | I gues I'll read a book. |
| [03:15:49] | kisak: | I'm just a random other user on the side |
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| [03:16:56] | wagnerrp: | i think we angered him |
| [03:18:05] | wagnerrp: | my comment wasn't untrue |
| [03:18:19] | kisak: | he's wanting a paid corporate dev's cooperation from this channel |
| [03:18:35] | wagnerrp: | you don't use cheap cards like that for computing because they are designed for graphics, where everything is processed once through and then discarded |
| [03:18:54] | wagnerrp: | if you're doing computations with those things, errors develop and propagate downstream, causing bad things |
| [03:19:01] | kisak: | for a problem that's over 5 years old in the driver |
| [03:19:03] | wagnerrp: | unless you're just computing hashes |
| [03:19:16] | wagnerrp: | which means... bitcoin miner? |
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| [03:19:58] | wagnerrp: | which similarly doesn't make sense, since the probability of stumbling upon one these days means that using GPUs and the power they consume is unprofitable |
| [03:20:08] | ctmjr: | thats my guess |
| [03:22:11] | ctmjr: | spend all that money on 3 cards and cannot get mythtv too work |
| [03:22:42] | wagnerrp: | nah, spend all that money on 3 cards to drown out your TV in fan noise |
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| [03:25:24] | Korny: | well hmm thats odd, my front end locked up, taking a tuner with it |
| [03:25:43] | Korny: | now I rebooted teh front end but the tunner still thinks that its watching live tv |
| [03:25:58] | wagnerrp: | i thought that issue had been fixed |
| [03:26:21] | wagnerrp: | xbmc users had been getting that _a_lot_, since they were not being clean about disconnecting, and leaving things open |
| [03:26:28] | Korny: | I'm not using xbmc |
| [03:26:38] | Korny: | I've never had this happen that I know of |
| [03:26:40] | wagnerrp: | i know, but the frontend locking up would have the same effect |
| [03:26:55] | wagnerrp: | the livetv session terminating uncleanly |
| [03:27:17] | wagnerrp: | i'm saying i thought as a result of that, someone patched the backend to force the tuner to close when the frontend went offline |
| [03:27:34] | Korny: | Any gracefull way of killing it? I like the 2 other recordings going on lol |
| [03:28:03] | wagnerrp: | easiest way is to just restart the backend when you get the opportunity |
| [03:28:18] | wagnerrp: | there's probably some way to free it using the internal protocol, but i'm not sure of the incantation off hand |
| [03:31:11] | Korny: | sigh |
| [03:31:23] | Korny: | sex sent me to the ER is funny |
| [03:31:43] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [03:32:27] | wagnerrp: | is this something on Spike, like 1000 ways to die? |
| [03:32:31] | Korny: | Show on TLC I'm recording, and family guy, I'm stuck on Wild Hockey |
| [03:32:34] | Korny: | no |
| [03:32:47] | Korny: | Its more like mystery diagnosis ER shows |
| [03:32:51] | [R]: | i've had myth automatically continue the recording |
| [03:32:54] | [R]: | when ive restarteed the backend |
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| [03:33:16] | wagnerrp: | it will continue the recording, but you'll have a ~30 second gap in between |
| [03:33:29] | Korny: | oh I know |
| [03:34:15] | Korny: | I'll start watching a recording hopefully the stuck live recording stops at 1030 |
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| [05:58:36] | wagnerrp: | who still runs reiserfs these days? |
| [05:58:47] | [R]: | reiserfs? don't you mean murderfs? |
| [05:58:49] | ** [R] giggles ** | |
| [05:59:06] | sheptard: | downerrf |
| [05:59:07] | wagnerrp: | for that matter, who is still adding *new* 160GB hard drives to their MythTV systems? |
| [05:59:12] | sheptard: | *fs |
| [05:59:18] | [R]: | new? |
| [05:59:20] | sheptard: | someone on the mailing list? |
| [05:59:22] | [R]: | they dont maek 160gb anymore... |
| [06:00:58] | wagnerrp: | code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/12025 |
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| [08:17:05] | xris: | hmm, let's see if this nvidia kmod update fixes my audio sync issues |
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| [08:23:09] | xris: | wtf, apparently all of my cable channels are encrypted now, even the OTA ones. |
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| [08:31:07] | xris: | wtf? apparently FCC told cable companies to start encrypting all channels. that makes clear QAM effectively dead |
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| [10:15:58] | xris: | omg, my audio sync issue appears to actually be a mythtv setting. something f'd with my db settings |
| [10:18:39] | xris: | wagnerrp: ^^ might want to look into that locked bug and see if it's just an odd upgrade setting. my audio sync value was maxed out. not sure why I never checked it before. |
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| [15:27:24] | wagnerrp: | xris: locked bug? |
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| [16:49:46] | AndyCap: | Wonder if they'll make my mythtv picture crisper as well. http://www.the-ear.net/review-hardware/audioq . . . interconnect |
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| [16:51:58] | GlemSom: | My XML described a title like "<title lang="en">Bones</title>", but, in the title column in mythtv, it's like "Bones (16)" for episode 16... This messes up the recording profile, as each show now has a uniqe title.... Is there a way to make mythfilldatabase NOT put in episode number in the title ? |
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| [17:30:50] | stuartm: | it doesn't |
| [17:31:08] | stuartm: | I don't know where that's coming from, but it's not mythfilldatabase doing it |
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| [17:32:09] | stuartm: | check that the xml isn't including each episode twice, once with the incorrect title |
| [17:33:34] | stuartm: | AndyCap: wow that guy is an idiot (or shill) |
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| [17:37:15] | stuartm: | for a moment I entertained a third possibility, that he was using the cable as an interconnect between two audio systems where the signal actually was analogue – sadly, not the case |
| [17:38:01] | stuartm: | £80 for a 1.5m cable ... one born every minute |
| [17:39:09] | Hydr0p0nX: | you mean putting the name of a spice in the cable doesn't make it go faster ?1 |
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| [17:44:57] | GlemSom: | stuartm, I cannot see anything wrong with the XML -> http://pastebin.com/Wg5PVxM7 |
| [17:47:23] | GlemSom: | Though, this entry has two titles, but with different languages: http://pastebin.com/sq3RMEEH But, that should not cause problems ? |
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| [17:48:03] | qu: | Has anyone been able to get hardware accel working on an AMD card? |
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| [18:16:25] | stuartm: | GlemSom: <title lang="da">Bones 7</title> |
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| [18:43:50] | kisak: | AndyCap: no, cat 7 will not change the quality of an encode |
| [18:45:44] | MartinT: | anyone know, off the top of their heads, where to place the metadata override file on the frontend... tried it in $HOME/.mythtv/ but it's not picking them up... |
| [18:46:04] | wagnerrp: | kisak: i'm assuming he intended that as a joke |
| [18:46:07] | AndyCap: | kisak: I am shocked. :) |
| [18:46:43] | kisak: | I just read into the spec and 100Gbit copper ethernet at 15m sounds like madness |
| [18:48:16] | wagnerrp: | if it's good enough for 100Gbps of data, it's good enough for 10Mbps of audio! |
| [18:49:31] | AndyCap: | I love how he nonchalantly dismisses the value of expensive switches. :P |
| [18:49:52] | AndyCap: | (and undermining his whole argument in the process) |
| [18:50:10] | wagnerrp: | switches don't work too well when you're trying to use CAT-7 as speaker wire |
| [18:50:24] | wagnerrp: | then again, neither does CAT-7... :) |
| [18:51:15] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: if only he was doing audio over TP, then I might take him seriously when he said he heard a difference. :P |
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| [19:27:11] | Hydr0p0nX: | think i finally figured out why i kept having audio/video sync issues :D |
| [19:27:41] | Hydr0p0nX: | mesa10 is required for full nouveau video acceleration support |
| [19:30:56] | stuartm: | simpler just to use the proprietary driver ... |
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| [20:23:27] | skd5aner: | random question, anyone have an extra MCE USB IR receiver laying around they'd be willing to part with? |
| [20:40:34] | MartinT: | if they have 2, would they be willing to part with both ;) |
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| [21:15:44] | wagnerrp: | now tgm4883_, didn't you know that once we get GUIs to make changes, the terminal and configuration files do nothing? |
| [21:15:50] | Hydr0p0nX: | ^^+1 |
| [21:26:05] | xris: | wagnerrp: there's a bug that you locked a couple months back, talking about sync issues and likely conflict with mythtv and the nvidia drivers (both open and proprietary) with older 4-digit nvidia card model numbers |
| [21:29:15] | wagnerrp: | any bug i might have locked would have been due to "me too" comments |
| [21:29:18] | wagnerrp: | feel free to unlock |
| [21:32:11] | xris: | yeah, guess I didn't want to touch it in case it was more than that. now to dig it back up again. :) |
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| [21:57:10] | drocsid: | What's a cheap atsc tuner these days, any with build in kernel support? I'm looking for either USB or PCIe |
| [21:57:42] | wagnerrp: | define "cheap" |
| [21:58:57] | drocsid: | $5–10 |
| [21:59:21] | drocsid: | usb dvb-t tuners are $5 and less |
| [21:59:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah. expect $40+ per tuner for something decent |
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| [22:00:22] | ** tonsofpcs uses an ethernet-attached tuner, works great ** | |
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| [22:00:55] | wagnerrp: | i've got two, but you're going to pay $40-$50/tuner for one |
| [22:00:55] | stuartm: | usb dvb-t tuners for $5? Don't think I've ever seen anything under $20 |
| [22:00:56] | drocsid: | tonsofpcs: are you using the hdhr or a different one? |
| [22:01:06] | tonsofpcs: | HDHR3-US |
| [22:01:26] | drocsid: | stuartm: you haven't looked on ebay |
| [22:01:29] | tonsofpcs: | I have two of them, that makes four tuners total |
| [22:01:50] | tonsofpcs: | drocsid: plastic case labeled 'tuner' != tuner |
| [22:01:53] | wagnerrp: | i prefer not to buy questionable electronics on ebay |
| [22:03:12] | stuartm: | OK, some going on Ebay for £7 – which is $11 and change |
| [22:03:28] | drocsid: | http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-2-0-DVB-T-Digital . . . em2a3083178f |
| [22:04:12] | wagnerrp: | in any case, that's DVB-T, not ATSDC |
| [22:04:22] | tonsofpcs: | that's $7... |
| [22:06:02] | stuartm: | guess ATSC tuners are going to cost more on average simply because there's a smaller market for them |
| [22:06:37] | stuartm: | drocsid: interesting that those same tuners direct from china are twice the price on the UK version of ebay |
| [22:08:19] | wagnerrp: | there's also the issue that all the countries that use ATSC can pay more |
| [22:08:39] | wagnerrp: | DVB-T is used in many poorer countries |
| [22:11:19] | stuartm: | could be, although it's also the case that DVB-T is used by the richest countries |
| [22:11:45] | wagnerrp: | but there's no "region coding" in DVB |
| [22:12:00] | wagnerrp: | so there's no market control of pricing |
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| [22:21:39] | stuartm: | for those that like pretty pictures – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-T#Countries . . . _using_DVB-T |
| [22:22:43] | stuartm: | suprising that ISDB-T has penetrated as far as it has |
| [22:23:12] | wagnerrp: | when you're selling tuners to places like central africa and south east asia, you simply can't charge more than a couple bucks |
| [22:23:25] | wagnerrp: | so a couple bucks, plus shipping, and you have fleabay |
| [22:23:56] | wagnerrp: | digital TV hasn't taken off in mexico yet for us to feel that effect |
| [22:25:32] | wagnerrp: | personally? i'd rather pay another $20 and _not_ have to deal with fleabay |
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| [22:28:42] | stuartm: | yeah, I really wouldn't bother with anything that cheap personally |
| [22:29:08] | stuartm: | the cheaper usb stuff especially has had all sorts of problems with overheating etc |
| [22:29:16] | Steve-Goodey: | wagnerrp: Am I right in thinking usb tuners not so good compared to pcie? |
| [22:29:28] | stuartm: | and reception too, bad pcb layouts and shielding |
| [22:29:42] | wagnerrp: | i'm not the person to ask. i have a predisposition against anything USB |
| [22:30:26] | wagnerrp: | but as a general rule, if i'm not going to be connecting and disconnecting it frequently, there's no reason for it to be USB |
| [22:31:25] | stuartm: | Steve-Goodey: they could be, but quality varies for both, but more often the usb stuff is unrealiable simply because it was built to be cheap |
| [22:32:28] | wagnerrp: | USB itself was built to be cheap |
| [22:32:30] | stuartm: | fewer chinese sweat shops are turning out pci kit for whatever reason |
| [22:32:33] | wagnerrp: | so the principles carry on |
| [22:32:37] | Steve-Goodey: | The advantage I see that PCTV290e supported in kernal whereas the pcie ones use binary blobs. |
| [22:32:56] | Steve-Goodey: | Which seem a pain to build |
| [22:33:33] | stuartm: | Steve-Goodey: all of them? The pci-e dvb-t2 cards do have a significant price advantage IMHO |
| [22:34:51] | wagnerrp: | i think my HVR-1250 is one of the few tuners that actually doesn't need a firmware |
| [22:34:53] | stuartm: | dual and quad tuners for just 50%-100% more than the single tuner 290e |
| [22:35:49] | stuartm: | yeah, most tuners – usb or pci(e) require a binary firmware |
| [22:36:14] | Steve-Goodey: | 290e seem all gone now, can't see anywhere to get them so was looking at tbs ones. |
| [22:36:34] | stuartm: | the driver itself is open, just not in the kernel (yet) |
| [22:37:37] | stuartm: | rebuilding is only an issue if you plan on upgrading the machine frequently, which is usually not the case for a backend |
| [22:38:15] | stuartm: | that said, I'd also be more comfortable if the driver was in the dvb tree and therefore guaranteed to be maintained |
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