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[00:29:45] Hydr0p0nX: yay !
[00:30:33] Hydr0p0nX: Ceton is going to update the ctntad app to work with api changes in gupnp
[00:31:05] ** Hydr0p0nX is so easily appeased **
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[03:04:19] Hydr0p0nX: might be the quietest i've seen this room
[03:11:33] Angel_Of_Sorrow: hey Hydr0p0nX
[03:15:07] Hydr0p0nX: Heya Angel_Of_Sorrow
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[03:18:54] Angel_Of_Sorrow: what's up hydro?
[03:19:36] keith4_: I just built a new backend, running 0.27. my tuner is a HDHR3. mythtv-setup shows all 3 tuners, as expected. backend status, via mythweb or frontend, as well as the XML output of GetCaptureCardList show 6 tuners. each tuner is listed twice.
[03:20:14] Angel_Of_Sorrow: was it hard to set up?
[03:20:21] wagnerrp: that is correct
[03:20:31] Angel_Of_Sorrow: how long>
[03:20:38] Angel_Of_Sorrow: ?
[03:20:49] wagnerrp: mythtv defaults to two virtual tuners for each digital tuner
[03:21:03] wagnerrp: but an HDHR3 only has two digital tuners
[03:21:06] wagnerrp: do you mean a Prime?
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[03:22:04] keith4_: wagnerrp, yes, prime. sorry
[03:22:40] wagnerrp: used as a QAM tuner, you can capture up to five channels simultaneously per tuner, provided those channels are on the same multiplex
[03:22:41] keith4_: why two virtual tuners per each digital tuner? I don't think the old backend (0.24) did that. maybe it did?
[03:22:42] wagnerrp: the default is two
[03:22:59] Angel_Of_Sorrow: how long does it take to get a mythtv session working?
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[03:23:03] keith4_: ah, right! I remember it doing that with the pcHDTV5500s I used to use.
[03:23:31] Angel_Of_Sorrow: keith4_!
[03:23:54] wagnerrp: if used as a cablecard tuner, this capability is not available
[03:24:21] keith4_: yah, cablecard
[03:24:42] wagnerrp: keith4_: i mean... it can be used with a cablecard as a cablecard tuner, or without one as a clear qam tuner
[03:25:07] wagnerrp: Angel_Of_Sorrow: if you know what you're doing, and there are no other external complications, you can set mythtv up from scratch in 5–10 minutes
[03:25:08] keith4_: right right. cablecard is the reason I had to switch from pcHDTV5500s to HDHRprime
[03:25:13] wagnerrp: the bulk of that will be scanning for channels
[03:25:14] Hydr0p0nX: Angel_Of_Sorrow, I've gotten to where I can go from installing mythbuntu to system up in and running in an afternoon
[03:25:21] keith4_: Angel_Of_Sorrow, if you've never done it, might want to start with mythbuntu
[03:25:40] keith4_: it didn't take me long, but I've done it a few times over the years
[03:26:22] wagnerrp: there's really not a whole lot of steps, you just have to know what they are
[03:26:29] Angel_Of_Sorrow: is as simple as following wiki examples?
[03:26:35] Hydr0p0nX: main reason i can is i've been battling hdmi audio issues due to my onboard audio being just different enough to be a pos
[03:26:37] keith4_: unless you're trying something crazy, like firewire-connected cable box
[03:27:03] keith4_: (which I suffered through before getting the HDHR prime)
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[03:28:22] Angel_Of_Sorrow: is as simple as following wiki walktroughs?
[03:28:47] Angel_Of_Sorrow: i want to get mythrtvon opensuse
[03:29:17] keith4_: very do-able
[03:29:38] Angel_Of_Sorrow: ?
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[03:30:15] Angel_Of_Sorrow: so its not hard? is the proceedure the same for every linux os?
[03:30:45] keith4_: differs if you use distro packages vs compile yourself
[03:30:45] wagnerrp: every linux os... but mythbuntu
[03:31:16] wagnerrp: mythbuntu automates a lot of the initial setup before you go into mythtv-setup
[03:31:57] Angel_Of_Sorrow: dont tell me you have to recompile the kernel to et it working?
[03:32:10] keith4_: what is your input source going to be?
[03:32:20] wagnerrp: that would depending on what tuner card you intend to use
[03:32:26] Angel_Of_Sorrow: pci tv capture card
[03:32:36] keith4_: which one?
[03:32:57] Angel_Of_Sorrow: leadtek winfast dtv1000S
[03:33:13] keith4_: wagnerrp, is the "record at any time on this channel" option gone? or was that something custom I did?
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[03:33:39] wagnerrp: no, it has moved to one of the filters
[03:34:03] keith4_: wagnerrp, oh, derp
[03:34:13] wagnerrp: both to discourage its use, and to actually allow that channel to be changed if needed without require a new rule be created
[03:34:36] Angel_Of_Sorrow: any advice there keith4_?
[03:34:44] keith4_: Angel_Of_Sorrow, read this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Leadtek_WinFast
[03:35:21] wagnerrp: if we have a page for them, it should get deleted
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[03:35:35] keith4_: looks like a v4l card that might work with bttv? sorry, it's been years since I used a capture card
[03:35:40] wagnerrp: ah... it does say that at the top
[03:35:55] Angel_Of_Sorrow: that doesnt mention my card keith4_
[03:36:20] wagnerrp: as always, linuxtv.org
[03:36:34] keith4_: Angel_Of_Sorrow, see the link in the note at the top
[03:37:00] keith4_: oh, cx8800. same as pchdtv5500
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[03:38:14] Angel_Of_Sorrow: i spoke to Merlin last night....he convinced me that my card WILL work with mythtv..he said that the documentation was years old
[03:38:33] keith4_: did you read? http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Leadtek_Win . . . 00_XP_Expert
[03:38:33] Angel_Of_Sorrow: and no longer up to date with the latest kernel
[03:38:42] Angel_Of_Sorrow: thts not my car
[03:38:44] wagnerrp: keith4_: it's not the same card
[03:38:48] Angel_Of_Sorrow: i have a 1000S
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[03:39:06] keith4_: is it the same tuner?
[03:39:11] wagnerrp: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Leadtek_WinFast_DTV1000_S
[03:39:14] Angel_Of_Sorrow: nope
[03:39:42] Angel_Of_Sorrow: merlin said that that page was years old
[03:40:00] Angel_Of_Sorrow: he assured me that
[03:40:29] wagnerrp: the page history will tell you that much... http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leadt . . . tion=history
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[03:40:43] keith4_: well, one way to find out ;-)
[03:41:04] qu: Does mythfs.pl still work on 0.28?
[03:41:07] Angel_Of_Sorrow: last updated in 2009
[03:41:09] wagnerrp: throw it in a box, install linux, see what happens
[03:41:24] Angel_Of_Sorrow: yeah....
[03:41:36] Angel_Of_Sorrow: im just wondering how hard it will be?
[03:41:40] wagnerrp: if nothing, proceed from there
[03:41:51] Angel_Of_Sorrow: is it just a matter of following wiki demo's
[03:42:18] Angel_Of_Sorrow: or is it more complecated than tht?
[03:43:15] wagnerrp: if you know what you're doing, then the wiki documentation appears accurate
[03:43:31] wagnerrp: but there's a lot of terminology that will appear foreign
[03:43:44] keith4_: Angel_Of_Sorrow, are you familiar with modprobe? ;-)
[03:43:47] wagnerrp: it's not a difficult or length process, but there is a very steep learning curve
[03:44:04] Angel_Of_Sorrow: ah... i guess that's where resources like this come in handy
[03:44:31] wagnerrp: if you get stuck with mythtv, come in here
[03:44:42] Angel_Of_Sorrow: cool
[03:44:45] wagnerrp: if you get stuck with the tuner, you can try here or in #linuxtv
[03:45:12] Angel_Of_Sorrow: whats the diff between mythtv and linuxtv?
[03:45:20] qu: Anyone know whether mythfs.pl still works on 0.28?
[03:45:32] wagnerrp: mythtv does mythtv, linuxtv does the tuner and video capture drivers
[03:46:10] Angel_Of_Sorrow: whats the difernce between mythtv and kaffiene?
[03:46:31] wagnerrp: one is a clustered home theater software, the other is a video player
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[03:49:18] qu: "The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty."
[03:50:12] qu: ... and my recordings page has no recordings.
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[03:50:27] qu: http://pastebin.ca/2530793
[03:50:32] Angel_Of_Sorrow: sorry i dropped out
[03:51:38] qu: Can anyone reads the words what are coming out of my mouf?
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[03:52:01] Angel_Of_Sorrow: did i miss anyting?
[03:52:18] qu: I keep asking questions I guess nobody knows.
[03:53:30] wagnerrp: restart your backend
[03:53:50] wagnerrp: known issue, unknown cause or fix
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[03:54:30] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: dropped out agina
[03:54:34] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: did i miss anything??
[03:55:43] qu: Restarting be fixed it, thx wagnerrp
[03:55:55] wagnerrp: temporarily, anyway
[03:56:06] qu: Does mythfs.pl still work on 0.28?
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[03:56:20] wagnerrp: mythfs.py?
[03:56:26] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: damn hakes
[03:56:37] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: *HACKERS*
[03:56:39] qu: Lets you mount recordings like a folder.
[03:56:44] qu: (FUSE)
[03:56:52] wagnerrp: probably not, i haven't tested it in years
[03:57:02] wagnerrp: well... i won't say probably
[03:57:07] wagnerrp: i don't see any reason it wouldn't work
[03:57:11] wagnerrp: but i haven't tested it in years
[03:57:15] qu: K
[03:57:19] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: whats the diferne between mythtv and kaffiene?
[03:57:42] wagnerrp: "[22:46] wagnerrp> one is a clustered home theater software, the other is a video player"
[03:57:47] qu: kaffeine only plays. Myth records and removes commercials.
[03:58:07] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: ooOOO automatically removes commercials?
[03:58:11] qu: .
[03:58:15] wagnerrp: nothing against kaffeine, but it's purpose is widely different
[03:58:31] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: pls explain?
[03:58:31] wagnerrp: it automatically flags commercials, and skips them during playback
[03:58:46] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: i dont need to record
[03:58:56] keith4_: you..... wut
[03:58:59] wagnerrp: of course you need to record. this is a DVR
[03:59:03] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: do either use electronic program guides? EPG's
[03:59:07] qu: Then kaffeine will be fine.
[03:59:15] wagnerrp: you must use an EPG of some sort
[03:59:36] wagnerrp: with in australia, will likely mean either broadcast EIT data, or xmltv from shepherd
[03:59:39] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: does Kaffiene use epgs
[03:59:56] wagnerrp: no idea, but kaffeine is not a DVR
[04:00:11] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: i want to view free to air tv...aerial signal
[04:00:26] wagnerrp: just view?
[04:00:27] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: whts dvr
[04:00:34] wagnerrp: digital video recorder
[04:00:36] wagnerrp: tivo
[04:00:51] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: just view
[04:00:56] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: at this stage
[04:01:11] wagnerrp: on a TV? or on your desktop?
[04:01:15] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: i read that kaffiene is the easiest to set up
[04:01:23] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: in linux
[04:01:32] wagnerrp: then you don't want mythtv
[04:01:45] keith4_: it doesn't get much easier than mythbuntu
[04:01:50] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: i have a widescreen tv as a monitor
[04:01:55] wagnerrp: mythtv is much more complicated than your wants
[04:02:06] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: i want to use opensuse
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[04:02:26] keith4_: Angel_Of_Sorrow1, they really don't compare. (myth and kaffeine)
[04:02:32] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: is kaffiene much easier to run than mythtv?
[04:02:57] wagnerrp: they're simply not at all the same thing
[04:03:10] keith4_: is a DVD player much easier to use than a Tivo?
[04:03:44] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: sand what happens when the system is updated....will that have ramifications for dtv?
[04:04:04] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: yes
[04:04:22] wagnerrp: will what have ramifications?
[04:04:22] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: whats the diff between mythtv and say kaffiene?
[04:04:24] keith4_: it you don't want to record, you almost certainly don't want mythtv
[04:04:35] ** [R] feels like hes in a time loop **
[04:04:38] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: ah cool
[04:05:01] wagnerrp: bill murrey, is that you?
[04:05:18] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: is kaffiene much easier to watch tv through? (ive used kaffiene as a media player but thats it)
[04:05:41] keith4_: they. don't. compare.
[04:05:55] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: ?
[04:06:00] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: they both play tb right?
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[04:06:08] wagnerrp: that's all kaffeine is, a media player
[04:06:27] wagnerrp: ever used windows media center?
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[04:06:36] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: yes
[04:06:43] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: i have
[04:06:52] keith4_: Angel_Of_Sorrow1, sure. a bicycle and a car both get you from point A to point B. and the bicycle is easier to use. but what use is that comparison?
[04:06:57] wagnerrp: and obviously much more difficult to configure than just opening up something in windows media player
[04:07:03] wagnerrp: this is the same idea
[04:07:11] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: thats fine to begin with
[04:07:47] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: how much harder is it to run mythtv ? twice as hard? ten times as hard?
[04:08:34] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: ah ok
[04:09:11] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: if a card is compatible wiith MythTv.....willl it be guaranteed to run in Kaffeiene?
[04:09:32] wagnerrp: they both use the same linuxtv capture apis
[04:09:34] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: thanks for your time btw
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[04:11:20] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: its just that i was researching online and they say that Kaffiene is the easiest and mythtv one of thee hardest to run
[04:11:47] [R]: well they are compeltely different... so...
[04:11:51] wagnerrp: again, they're not comparable. they don't serve the same purpose
[04:11:52] [R]: comparing them is pretty much stupid
[04:12:06] Angel_Of_Sorrow1: however, i understand that they are different beasts
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[04:12:16] [R]: Angel_Of_Sorrow1: thats like asking if a book is easier than an apple
[04:12:28] wagnerrp: so... if you just want to watch tv on your desktop, use kaffeine
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[04:12:53] Angel_Of_Sorrow: sorry was disconnectd yet again
[04:13:00] Angel_Of_Sorrow: its just that i was researching online and they say that Kaffiene is the easiest and mythtv one of thee hardest to run
[04:13:00] wagnerrp: so... if you just want to watch tv on your desktop, use kaffeine
[04:13:08] Angel_Of_Sorrow: however, i understand that they are different beasts
[04:13:09] wagnerrp: if you want a home theater application, use mythtv
[04:13:36] Angel_Of_Sorrow: what else can it do appart from watching/recording tv?
[04:13:51] Angel_Of_Sorrow: i do want a home theatre application yes
[04:13:52] ** Angel_Of_Sorrow nods **
[04:13:54] wagnerrp: it's a home theater application, standard home theater duties
[04:14:12] wagnerrp: video playback, music, and it is clustered
[04:14:59] Angel_Of_Sorrow: great deal of thanks
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[04:15:56] Angel_Of_Sorrow: will mythtv or kaffeiene be messed with when updating the system?
[04:16:04] wagnerrp: potentially both
[04:16:07] Angel_Of_Sorrow: the os that is
[04:16:18] keith4_: yes of course
[04:17:27] Angel_Of_Sorrow: so updates mean that it requires constant messing with?
[04:17:44] Angel_Of_Sorrow: re configuring?
[04:17:54] wagnerrp: if you continually mess with the system, then you will continually have to mess with the system
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[04:19:25] Angel_Of_Sorrow: so you recommend not installing system updates?
[04:19:36] wagnerrp: that's up to you
[04:20:52] AnthonyUK: Hey ppl, have been using mythbuntu for a while now but it is time to kick it up a notch. Thing is when I look for guides on how to install mythtv backend by the command line onto ubuntu 12.04 each guide seems to do it there own way
[04:21:08] AnthonyUK: I have tried a few but messed it up, I have done a fresh install again
[04:21:25] [R]: AnthonyUK: apt-get install just liek anhthing else...
[04:21:33] AnthonyUK: does anyone have a good guide/link that they know is proper
[04:21:53] AnthonyUK: sudo apt-get install mythtv-backend-master?
[04:22:01] Angel_Of_Sorrow: but systm upates may mess with mythtv?
[04:22:12] Angel_Of_Sorrow: is that what ur saying?
[04:23:05] AnthonyUK: i did that last time but i was getting not connecting to the database, half the guides have in them to apt-get mysql server as well
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[04:23:22] AnthonyUK: but I can't find any consistency in what diff ppl say to do
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[04:24:15] [R]: AnthonyUK: well if you dont have an sql server... you kinda need one
[04:25:15] AnthonyUK: does this guide (points 1–5 only) cut it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Server/Backend
[04:25:56] [R]: try it and see
[04:26:02] AnthonyUK: ughh ok,
[04:26:29] AnthonyUK: i can see it not working and then me having to reformat so im back to a blank cavas so to speak for the next "how to"
[04:26:43] [R]: format... rofl
[04:27:09] AnthonyUK: re-install?
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[04:31:02] keith4_: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=mythtv-backend
[04:31:15] keith4_: pretty much just install that?
[04:31:34] keith4_: not sure what else you're hoping for
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[04:33:17] keith4_: oh, that package doesn't depend on mysql-server. so install that first
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[04:34:17] AnthonyUK: are the depends automatically grabbed or do I go get them too
[04:35:50] keith4_: auto
[04:36:16] AnthonyUK: earlier I learnt "unless the sources were incorrect" that mythtv-backend is for when you want to use a remote database, and mythtv-backend-master when you want to run the database on the localhost
[04:37:56] keith4_: oh, i see. mythtv-backend-master also drags in mysql for you
[04:38:35] AnthonyUK: it didnt work last time but i can do it again, sudo apt-get install mythtv-backend-master
[04:38:41] keith4_: so mythtv-backend-master = mythtv-backend + mysql-server, basically
[04:38:48] AnthonyUK: from what i have read
[04:39:08] keith4_: that wasn't a question
[04:39:24] AnthonyUK: but somet tutorials just say type that one apt-get line, and others have you type it and loads of other stuff
[04:40:04] keith4_: surely you're used to that, being an ubuntu user?
[04:40:07] AnthonyUK: well i have typed it again
[04:40:12] ctmjr: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO
[04:40:21] AnthonyUK: im erm new to ubuntu
[04:40:36] AnthonyUK: i have been using mythbuntu so far for media centers
[04:41:08] AnthonyUK: but I want to change my homeserver over to linux that way i could have my homeserver and the mythtv backend all on the one
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[04:43:37] ctmjr: so whats stopping you
[04:47:02] AnthonyUK: everything is hard! its like bk when i got my very first pc with windows, all the stuff i didn't know
[04:47:14] AnthonyUK: im making progress, albeit slowly
[04:52:51] ctmjr: well you should start by reading the link i posted that will give you some insight as to what you need to do
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[04:57:03] AnthonyUK: k will do
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[05:00:45] AnthonyUK: well that compizconfig full screen on unity desktops worked well enough
[05:00:53] AnthonyUK: just wish everything else was so quick :P
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[05:21:05] Angel_Of_Sorrow: g'day all\
[05:21:11] Angel_Of_Sorrow: good to be here once agian
[05:21:40] AnthonyUK: It worked! I installed mythtv-frontend on same machine and watched some live tv, it was abit choppy but il figure out how to downsize the specs another day
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[05:55:15] AnthonyUK: I got mythtv backend and frontend installed on ubuntu-12.04 all by command line and it works, Ill mess more with it tomoz, gn all
[05:55:19] AnthonyUK: time for bed
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[10:37:51] justinh: wow all these names from the past suddenly showing up again. Or I've suddenly shown up again & everybody from the past came back thinking I'd gone for good. Heh
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[13:18:26] lautriv: is it possible that avahi overrides static settings ?
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[13:56:50] G: potentially silly question, but if I update the DB in a user script (recording metadata), is there anything I could be pinging in the API/backend/DB so frontends will find out?
[13:57:15] G: I think I'm going blind tbh
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[14:48:59] dekarl-work: G, if you use the Python bindings everything should "just work". If it doesn't that would be a bug.
[14:51:56] lautriv: hi dekarl-work , i have another Q regarding DB. on my master-nackend the database went corrupted and wasn't reparable so i decoupled the slave and did a new setup. the strange part is the old master joined and even the old mythweb appeared there. is there some avahi overriding the static settings ?
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[14:57:45] haux: Hi Mythtv users. Any one here configured an IR blaster with the set top box VIP2262 ?
[14:58:03] haux: http://support.bell.ca/_web/guides/TV/UserGui . . . %28en%29.pdf
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[15:03:50] G: dekarl-work: hmmm I might have to put up with it until I can get around to updating to the latest stable
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[15:04:13] lautriv: haux, nope but i guess you may read the codes via lirc to know what to send.
[15:05:04] G: dekarl-work: at least however the python bindings update the lastmodified, which may have actually been my problem
[15:05:06] haux: indeed, I used irrecord to record the codes in raw format. But when sending them by irsend it diesn't work
[15:05:21] G: dekarl-work: so thanks, I'd forgotten there were python bindings
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[15:19:27] dekarl-work: G: I was just taking a quick look and for some things the bindings emit special events to flush the frontends cache. => If it doesnt for your case that needs fixing
[15:20:08] dekarl-work: lautriv: I have no idea how these things go together :(
[15:22:55] G: dekarl-work: hmm interesting, 4am, so I'll take a look 'tomorrow' see if I can figure it out
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[15:36:58] lautriv: dekarl-work, no problem, i have the old master just to view a bunch of old recordings. will see what i get when the new is stopped.
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[16:22:47] wizbit: the time has come to buy first ever HD TV.. Panasonic 39" TX-L39B6B
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[16:35:47] jm|laptop: wizbit: you were smart to not go Smart or 3D
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[16:59:53] wizbit: jm|laptop: yep i hate gimmick rubbish
[16:59:58] wizbit: plus this screen is non-glossy
[17:00:02] jm|laptop: ossum
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[17:25:38] runelind: a 9400M should have no trouble with content playback, correct?
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[17:26:15] MrShake: morning folks
[17:26:38] MrShake: I'm experiancing frequent lockups and video frame buffering problems...
[17:26:42] MrShake: I need some help
[17:26:46] MrShake: http://pastebin.com/0yjJg9jU
[17:27:22] runelind: I'm getting very frustrated with playback on my system. My backend 0.27 running on FreeBSD 9.1, my front-end is 0.27 running on mythbuntu with an intel atom/9400M cpu/gpu
[17:27:34] runelind: recorded content seems to be fine.
[17:27:55] runelind: if I'm watching stuff that is actively being recorded, it studders every 10–15secs
[17:28:34] runelind: so I can have problems watching something that is being recorded, but if I wait for it to finish, it works fine.
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[17:31:49] MrShake: brb
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[17:32:06] runelind: if I watch something while it is being recorded on my macbook pro retina running 10.9, it works fine.
[17:33:48] runelind: so I feel like I should be replacing my atom system, although it is clearly able to play back content fine.
[17:33:54] runelind: as long as it is done recording.
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[17:39:13] runelind: I feel like it also started happening when I upgraded to 0.27 – not sure though.
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[17:54:46] MrShake: and back
[17:54:57] MrShake: tried a few more things... still video buffering failing
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[21:20:54] BLZbubba: wagnerrp: ok i can easily duplicate this backend deadlock problem, there is one slave backend that causes it every time
[21:21:52] BLZbubba: any tips on what to do to debug it, besides the obvious things like tcpdump, strace, etc
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[21:45:33] justinh: well, I can categorically state that I will not consider replacing my mythfrontend with a raspberry pi running XBMC. It might be suitable for some but I've come to expect a little.. *responsiveness* from a frontend
[21:45:54] justinh: the UI is okay, the smooth scrolling effects appeal, but loading lists & so on... eesh! Slow as hell
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[21:48:15] MartinT: they did say they were working on a next gen pi last year, which should be capable of 1080p playback
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[21:48:29] justinh: it can already do 1080p
[21:48:35] MartinT: I'm happy with my er1401's though
[21:48:45] justinh: they need to work on the fact it's a crappy bunch of ARM
[21:48:57] MartinT: 1080p x264 encoded?
[21:49:03] justinh: yes
[21:49:07] MartinT: oooo
[21:49:09] MartinT: interesting...
[21:49:21] scaramanga1: how come 4 years after being discontinued, sagetv is still way better than mythtv?
[21:49:23] MartinT: does it work as a mythfrontend?
[21:49:26] justinh: but it's not the resolution or the codec so much. it's the bitrate & complexity of the encoding
[21:49:34] justinh: MartinT: no, and likely never will
[21:50:11] justinh: scaramanga1: in your opinion. LOL
[21:50:17] MartinT: scaramanga1: yo momma... sorry looked like you're looking for some confrontation...
[21:50:53] justinh: mythtv may still be lacking 'bling' like smooth scrolling but my God it sucks less than everything I've ever tried
[21:51:12] scaramanga1: justinh have you ever tried sagetv extenders?
[21:51:15] justinh: even the PVR plugin in XBMC – the way it lists recordings.. I just don't like it
[21:51:26] justinh: scaramanga1: what'd be the point? we could never get them over here
[21:52:03] MartinT: justinh: what about this for a frontend... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-BOXDC3217BY-D . . . em2333c488ff
[21:52:04] scaramanga1: justinh: probably because users supported a flawed product (mythtv) instead of sagetv
[21:52:10] justinh: MartinT: too expensive
[21:52:28] justinh: scaramanga1: I'm going to ignore your trolling
[21:52:28] MartinT: £130 isn't bad for a powerful, silent frontend...
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[21:52:58] scaramanga1: I am indeed trolling but only because it is very frustrating that mythtv devs ignore what %90 of mythtv users want
[21:53:00] justinh: MartinT: I've made up my mind now.. no Pi, no frontend... well the backend is going to be the frontend
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[21:53:04] MartinT: scaramanga1: please see my previous response... because yo momma
[21:53:05] scaramanga1: (or would-be users)
[21:53:06] justinh: scaramanga1: so become a dev
[21:53:11] justinh: fork it
[21:53:24] justinh: behold how successful the last fork is... woooooooooooo!
[21:53:57] justinh: scaramanga1: so what *do* 90% of the users (er I mean YOU) want?
[21:54:52] scaramanga1: okay %90 isn't scientifically accurate, but if you look at the mailing list – all everyone ever asks about is how to get reliable video playback of high bitrate videos
[21:55:13] MartinT: what you will find though, is that commercial UI have a massive amount of designers working on them... if you want to discuss "functionality", you will lose, if you want discuss the UI, people here will probably agree...
[21:55:18] scaramanga1: always getting the same answer – 'get a fast CPU'
[21:55:31] justinh: oh you mean the people trying to use the crappy non nvidia GPUs
[21:55:50] MartinT: or pre 8400 gpus...
[21:55:57] scaramanga1: sagetv runs on a 5 year old sigma design processor that plays anything. literally anything.
[21:56:14] ** Jay2k1 uses a 20 eur passive cooled nvidia gpu and no matter the bitrate, it runs smoothly **
[21:56:15] scaramanga1: at, what, 6W?
[21:56:16] justinh: scaramanga1: because all the decode is offloaded
[21:56:32] justinh: you want it working for mythtv, get one to a dev
[21:56:45] justinh: oh wait you can't!
[21:56:57] scaramanga1: how is that archaic processor any different from any measly pandaboard?
[21:57:17] justinh: because for although the box uses a linux kernel there's not a snowball in hell's chance of getting any kind of decoding API info for the hardware
[21:57:47] scaramanga1: justinh: why not?
[21:57:55] justinh: scaramanga1: because NDAs etc
[21:58:32] justinh: because the majority fo chipset makers these days don't let anybody near reference code without them first signing away a ton of money AND a legally binding agreement that says the source remains secret
[21:58:48] justinh: see broadcom et al
[21:59:17] scaramanga1: that includes ARM? raspberry?
[21:59:41] justinh: the pi doesn't have the oomph for mythtv the way it's currently implemented
[21:59:59] justinh: even just for the UI
[22:00:09] justinh: the graphics are too heavy for it even
[22:00:19] wizbit: anybody here used xbmc / mythbox as a frontend to mythtv?
[22:00:40] justinh: wizbit: I just tried it on the Pi. It was so slow it SUCKED
[22:00:48] wizbit: eeek
[22:01:02] wizbit: what about on decent hardware?
[22:01:05] MartinT: justinh: that could be just the Pi though...
[22:01:11] justinh: a list of 893 recordings imported from my backend at home, all set to the same basename ... a LOT of spinning
[22:01:24] justinh: even just going between recording groups
[22:01:26] Jay2k1: scaramanga1: you know what's funny? you say playback/decoding performance is an issue, but it is not, you just need a (really cheap!) nvidia gpu... in my opinion, there is indeed a flaw with mythtv, but by design
[22:01:32] Jay2k1: and that's live tv
[22:01:42] Jay2k1: e.g. switching through channels
[22:01:46] MartinT: plus, you're running over the internet to that backend aren't you? who knows how they build the list...
[22:02:03] justinh: MartinT: no. The backend was in a VM on my core i5 laptop
[22:02:20] justinh: maybe their mysql queries could use some TLC
[22:02:36] justinh: looks like they don't keep any lists in memory for long
[22:02:55] Jay2k1: i could understand if people complain about that, but you'll probably gonna hear "mythtv is for recording things and watching them later" in response
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[22:03:23] MartinT: they use the service api I believe, so it's not a mysql thing... probably just not using caching as you say...
[22:03:43] justinh: MartinT: if they use the service API, then why the need to enter database creds?
[22:04:12] justinh: anyway, it's better than *nothing*.. but not better than a real frontend
[22:04:15] MartinT: justinh: no idea... I remember reading that it needed to be 0.25 or above for the service api
[22:04:25] justinh: 0.27 here :-)
[22:04:52] MartinT: Jay2k1: I have the same issue, changing channels takes an age, but as it's network based, you can kinda understand that...
[22:05:06] scaramanga1: Jay2k1: I admit I haven't looked at mythtv in a couple of years, but it has always been incredibly frustrating
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[22:05:16] justinh: first they have to wait for a digital tuner to get a lock & start producing valid data..
[22:05:23] justinh: then it has to be buffered a bit..
[22:06:00] Jay2k1: MartinT: i use dvb-t on a combined FE/BE, no network involved, but when i want to zap i just watch tv directly on my tv without using my myth box
[22:06:06] Jay2k1: uhh, dvb-c that is
[22:06:30] justinh: and the developers who work on livetv can only work with evidence of problems. So far very few if any users with livetv complaints have produced useable evidence the devs can work with to improve matters
[22:06:35] scaramanga1: well there has to be a 1–2 second buffer, no?
[22:06:38] MartinT: it's still doing it "network" based, even if it's local
[22:06:54] Jay2k1: scaramanga1: i tried 3 or 4 different things when i wanted to build my pvr and myth was the winner, it was quite a bit of a fiddle until everything worked but ever since, i'm more than happy with it
[22:07:13] Jay2k1: ah that you mean
[22:07:14] justinh: I stopped zapping years ago & haven't looked back
[22:07:22] Jay2k1: well i can't get under 5 seconds it seems
[22:07:26] scaramanga1: Jay2k1: do you have it in multiple rooms?
[22:07:33] Jay2k1: no, just the living room
[22:07:39] Jay2k1: just one machine
[22:07:59] Jay2k1: if i had a secondary tv, i'd probably wish a pi could act as decent frontend
[22:08:25] Jay2k1: sometimes i run mythfrontend on my macbook though to take a show somewhere else, e.g. kitchen
[22:08:31] justinh: Jay2k1: I've seen fast channel change times on an 800Mhz athlon backend/frontend but AWFUL on a 2.8Ghz dual core Celeron..
[22:08:31] MartinT: I do think that getting a lock takes a bit too long, but meh, who cares? I usually use mythweb to choose what I'm going to watch anyway...
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[22:09:03] scaramanga1: I literally dont care how much it would cost to build a mythFE, I just want it to be quiet and to be effective at playing everything
[22:09:18] MartinT: anyway... more interesting things to do... washing up...
[22:09:21] justinh: and consume a gnat's Watt
[22:09:31] rsiebert: Jay2k: cant you use xbmc on the pi with the myth pvr plugin?
[22:09:33] Jay2k1: justinh: well tbh i stopped bothering, mostly i watch recordings anyway, but every now and then i zap a bit, but as i said, it's fine using my tv directly
[22:09:46] Jay2k1: rsiebert: if i had a pi, probably... ;)
[22:10:32] justinh: rsiebert: with only 893 recordings, the Pi is like wading through treacle
[22:10:51] justinh: you'll see a lot of that 'working' spinner
[22:10:52] Jay2k1: justinh: mine is running on an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+
[22:11:07] Jay2k1: leftover hardware
[22:11:25] rsiebert: and what about the video or music libraries?
[22:11:38] Jay2k1: i didn't want the cpu to be too slow so commflagging wouldn't take ages
[22:11:41] justinh: rsiebert: oh for videos & music it's quite pleasant to use at times
[22:11:57] Jay2k1: but since 0.25 or 0.26 commflagging stopped working for me
[22:12:07] Jay2k1: so now i just skip manually, so even that's a non-issue
[22:12:18] justinh: it's never really worked in the UK
[22:12:31] Jay2k1: it worked surprisingly well here in germany
[22:12:35] Jay2k1: on most channels anyway
[22:12:46] rsiebert: same here. tvheadend is doing fine here and the recording come up fast. but it lacks the special myth features
[22:13:10] Jay2k1: sure you have that pre- and post-roll of show previews etc. where they show the channel logo, but most commercials have been correctly detected
[22:13:21] Jay2k1: now it flags all kinds of stuff, just not the commercials
[22:14:48] Jay2k1: ever since i discovered i can skip by a certain amount of time using the arrow buttons, i stopped missing a working commflagging :)
[22:15:10] justinh: or hit a number button then right arrow. bazing!
[22:15:38] Jay2k1: ooh
[22:15:46] Jay2k1: you probably just made my day
[22:17:13] scaramanga1: so a NUC would make a good mythFE?
[22:17:47] justinh: probably not if it has Intel video hardware
[22:18:02] scaramanga1: it has to be a full blown desktop with a nvidia gpu?
[22:18:10] justinh: doesn't have to be a desktop
[22:18:50] Jay2k1: think mini-itx
[22:19:04] scaramanga1: then what? ion?
[22:21:03] justinh: hahahahahahahaha. http://liliputing.com/2014/01/lenovo-beacon-1 . . . storage.html
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[22:32:18] MartinT: scaramanga1: any of the ions will be good.. I have an eMachines er1401, that's ion based, and it plays anything I throw at it...
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[22:36:38] Jay2k1: i completely lost track about what happened after vdpau
[22:36:51] Jay2k1: i think amd or intel wanted to make something similar
[22:37:11] Jay2k1: i also think i remember there was an attempt to have an api that was manufacturer independent (was it vaapi?)
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[22:38:48] justinh: vaapi
[22:39:03] justinh: intel & AMD have support for those
[22:39:07] justinh: er it I mean
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[22:39:22] justinh: but as with everything else I wouldn't bet my house on being able to rely on it
[22:39:39] justinh: hence all the people saying it's better to have enough CPU to decode the video for real, in CPU
[22:40:39] Jay2k1: :/
[22:40:51] skd5aner: BLZbubba: I'm curious about the issus you are experiencing... I have issues that are triggered by a slave backend as well
[22:42:34] justinh: FWIW in playing with my Dad's Pi I've seen it reboot way more than I've ever seen mythfrontend restart, or mythbackend missed a recording
[22:43:13] wagnerrp: scaramanga1: running on a sigma designs chip is not something we have control over
[22:43:28] wagnerrp: being able to use their chips means signing their NDA, which in turn means closed source
[22:43:32] wagnerrp: not an option
[22:43:41] scaramanga1: wagnerrp: cant a specific piece of mythtv be closed source?
[22:44:07] wagnerrp: no
[22:44:21] scaramanga1: MartinT: anything can be played on ur er1401? DVD's etc?
[22:45:04] justinh: net tops etc aren't usually too hot at mpeg2
[22:45:14] MartinT: yes, it's got a usb cd drive, no desire for bluray, but don't see a problem with that...
[22:45:31] MartinT: h264 runs fine...
[22:46:55] skd5aner: 2 day shipping from newegg, ordered last Monday, still not here yet :P
[22:47:20] justinh: yeah but I've found that even devices with built-in mpeg2 decoding (DVD/Bluray/TVs) won't play mpeg2 from a network or USB device
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[22:50:52] wagnerrp: `
[22:50:53] wagnerrp: m
[22:51:42] scaramanga1: can anyone recommend a frontend machine
[22:52:08] MartinT: zotac ion all in one box...
[22:52:47] scaramanga1: MartinT: with an atome cpu?
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[22:53:05] MartinT: neo II if you can find one...
[22:53:15] MartinT: amd
[22:53:28] MartinT: e350 I think the model is..
[22:53:50] ** justinh refuses to recommend hardware on the basis that this is a logged channel & wouldn't be surprised if somebody was to sue **
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[22:54:14] Jay2k1: that's... sad
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[22:54:34] wagnerrp: no, do not use an embedded AMD machine for a frontend
[22:54:43] justinh: .. or.. anything.
[22:55:05] wagnerrp: your chances for difficulty getting accelerated AMD graphics to work on linux are better than even
[22:55:17] wagnerrp: and the CPU is insufficient to do it on its own
[22:55:40] scaramanga1: wagnerrp: thanks, for a minute there I thought I was going to get a different answer from what I got 3 years ago
[22:55:41] scaramanga1: whew
[22:56:00] wagnerrp: again, this is not a mythtv thing, this is an AMD thing
[22:56:03] wagnerrp: their linux drivers suck
[22:56:07] wagnerrp: there is nothing we can do about it
[22:56:10] justinh: AMD and Intel AND Linux
[22:56:16] wagnerrp: nvidia hardware acceleration works just fine
[22:56:27] wagnerrp: and many people use low end atoms with hardware accelerated nvidia decoding
[22:56:33] keith4_: so after upgrading to 0.27, it seems there are some channels that oddly won't tune. for example, https://dpaste.de/EWNZ
[22:56:38] scaramanga1: and that requires a discrete GPU?
[22:56:50] Jay2k1: too bad nvidia doesn't make cpus with integrated graphics, like amd and intel do
[22:56:56] wagnerrp: now that nvidia is no longer offering chipsets, yes
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[22:57:03] keith4_: I suspected the cable card, but HDHR prime log shows "20140107–22:52:16 CableCARD: Tuner0: vchannel 1173 (561MHz-2) access = subscribed". got a new CC anyway, no difference
[22:57:05] wagnerrp: although you can find some solutions that use a mobile graphics chip
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[23:02:40] scaramanga1: wagnerrp: so you recommend both a discrete nvidia GPU, and a powerful CPU to fall back to
[23:02:58] keith4_: for a frontend?
[23:03:04] scaramanga1: for a frontend
[23:03:06] wagnerrp: honestly, i just use a sufficiently powerful intel cpu and onboard intel graphics
[23:03:15] scaramanga1: =loud?
[23:03:41] wagnerrp: ~20W during playback, and hidden in a cabinet
[23:03:48] keith4_: if you get a GPU that supports vdpau, you don't need a decent CPU at all
[23:03:50] wagnerrp: inaudible over the sound of the TV
[23:04:14] wagnerrp: keith4_: yes, but the GPU is going to pull more power than a decent CPU
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[23:05:00] keith4_: true, true
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[23:05:22] keith4_: scaramanga1, what format will your content be?
[23:06:39] scaramanga1: keith4_: HDPVR so mpeg2? 1slice? I dunno..
[23:06:57] wagnerrp: h264, in an mpeg2 container
[23:07:31] keith4_: any c2d should be able to handle that, no? or is h264 too much for a slow c2d?
[23:07:33] wagnerrp: fairly easy for anything Core2 or newer
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[23:08:13] justinh: nah I have a c2d for a frontend & it won't play h.264 HD as broadcast by BBC HD
[23:08:24] runelind: my VDPAU machine struggles, but I have my own issues.
[23:08:32] keith4_: BBC is too high quality ;-)
[23:09:20] wagnerrp: BBC initially ran up to 20Mbps single sliced content when they first started broadcasting HD H264
[23:09:31] wagnerrp: something off an HDPVR is going to be about half that
[23:09:37] justinh: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5600 @ 1.83GHz
[23:10:00] wagnerrp: plus you have as low of a (desktop) Core 2 as they built
[23:10:05] justinh: absolutely struggles – mind a fair bit of that is probably due to the sucky graphics
[23:10:09] runelind: my HDHRP streams don't seem to be very heavy.
[23:10:12] justinh: wagnerrp: it's a mobile chip
[23:10:27] wagnerrp: HDHR recordings are all MPEG2
[23:10:37] runelind: oh yeah.
[23:10:49] runelind: I wonder if they're ever going to release their x264 tuner
[23:11:11] wagnerrp: x264 tuner?
[23:11:12] justinh: transcoded on the fly? eew
[23:11:21] wagnerrp: no such beast exists
[23:11:33] runelind: they were talking about releasing a tuner that was going to transcode to x264
[23:11:39] wagnerrp: never
[23:11:43] runelind: but that was a few years ago, it never made it to market.
[23:11:51] wagnerrp: it would be stupid to put a big enough CPU on the thing to accomplish that
[23:12:27] runelind: they probably had custom silicon that could do it.
[23:12:39] wagnerrp: meaning... not x264
[23:13:13] runelind: http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/08/silicondus . . . ers-with-tr/
[23:13:14] wagnerrp: h264 is a codec, x264 is a software encoder implementing that codec for x86 processors
[23:13:21] runelind: oh, my bad
[23:13:23] runelind: H.264
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[23:14:18] scaramanga1: so I have to build one more of these http://bit.ly/1a5RulP
[23:14:46] Zenther: Hello, I have gone from a dual monitor to a single monitor. I am unable to see mythfrontend. Is there a way I can reset the right shift I had so mythtv would show on the right monitor?
[23:14:48] wagnerrp: for a frontend? why so big?
[23:15:17] scaramanga1: wagnerrp: to get it quiet
[23:15:21] scaramanga1: plus http://bit.ly/1dtYGZH
[23:15:25] wagnerrp: Zenther: run mythfrontend with '--geometry 0x0+0+0'
[23:15:34] runelind: get a NUC
[23:15:46] wagnerrp: or build your own NUC-like system
[23:15:55] Zenther: wagnerrp, Thanks, I will give that a go
[23:15:59] scaramanga1: but NUC means no nvidia GPU right?
[23:16:08] runelind: that's just an onboard intel
[23:16:11] wagnerrp: why do you need an nvidia gpu?
[23:16:17] Jay2k1: i'm using this case http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/200 . . . v350/b03.jpg
[23:16:20] Jay2k1: also, what is a NUC?
[23:16:26] scaramanga1: because NUC has limitations on the CPU you can put in it, no?
[23:16:38] runelind: the new NUCs come with haswell i5s
[23:16:43] wagnerrp: they are typically low power, a bit low for mythtv's wants
[23:17:14] runelind: and HD5000 GPU iirc
[23:18:22] Zenther: wagnerrp, Thanks, that worked like a charm and I was able to reset it. Sucks that the capacitors in my main monitor decided to bulge on me and left me this way.
[23:18:33] wagnerrp: replace 'em
[23:19:21] Zenther: wagnerrp, they are on order. I will take a $13 repair anyday over ordering a new monitor. But in the meantime I am left with just my flatscreen TV as my monitor.
[23:19:51] Jay2k1: "next unit of computing"... mh.. nice, looks like intel's answer to the mac mini
[23:20:03] wagnerrp: no local electronics supply? even radioshack still has a decent capacitor selection hidden in the back
[23:20:56] Jay2k1: looks as if it could get noisy though
[23:21:04] Zenther: I am fixing to travel 1000 miles as my mother is going in for surgery so I just ordered a kit for my monitor off ebay. No looking at part numbers on components for me... LOL
[23:21:21] wagnerrp: no need for part numbers
[23:21:23] Zenther: I will have them delivered there and I will preplace them there
[23:21:37] wagnerrp: just crack it open and look at the farads and maximum voltage
[23:21:38] scaramanga1: mythtv makes me want to look at WMC again
[23:21:49] wagnerrp: get one at roughly the same farads, and at least the same voltage
[23:21:52] Zenther: not part numbers, but you know, what they are
[23:22:11] wagnerrp: scaramanga1: well you're in luck, as WMC simply doesn't allow extenders
[23:22:33] wagnerrp: you have to buy xboxes
[23:22:52] scaramanga1: or ceton echos!
[23:23:32] runelind: I just want playback-while-recording to work on my box ;(
[23:23:54] runelind: not sure how to go about troubleshooting it, if it is VDPAU related or what.
[23:23:58] Jay2k1: wmc has a major flaw, it doesn't run on linux
[23:24:19] scaramanga1: well thats what kvm is for
[23:24:25] Jay2k1: haha
[23:24:39] wagnerrp: scaramanga1: here we go... http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=18523409
[23:24:45] wagnerrp: quiet, low power, small
[23:25:59] scaramanga1: whats a g3430?
[23:26:05] scaramanga1: i3?
[23:26:19] wagnerrp: basically
[23:26:25] runelind: yeah I might go down that route too.
[23:26:34] runelind: just throw money at my problem :)
[23:26:51] Jay2k1: it's just called "intel pentium g3430", it's a haswell dual core
[23:26:52] wagnerrp: it's lacking turbo boost, or hyperthreading... i don't recall how intel likes to partition their lineup these days
[23:27:23] wagnerrp: but intel's dual core chips are all the same exact silicon, whether they're a celeron, a pentium, an i3, or an i5
[23:27:34] scaramanga1: why would you need turbo if its clocked at 3.3g?
[23:27:43] wagnerrp: exactly
[23:27:57] Jay2k1: http://ark.intel.com/products/77777/Intel-Pen . . . 0-GHz?q=3430
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[23:28:00] scaramanga1: its just less power efficient than an i3?
[23:28:19] wagnerrp: chances are you'll never see more than 30W at the wall
[23:28:47] scaramanga1: well so plus an ssd and a fan its about $400
[23:28:53] wagnerrp: SSD? fan?
[23:28:59] scaramanga1: cpu fan?
[23:29:06] wagnerrp: comes with one
[23:29:40] scaramanga1: does it?
[23:29:51] wagnerrp: "Cooling Device
[23:29:51] wagnerrp: Heatsink and Fan included"
[23:30:18] Jay2k1: if you buy boxed, it does, if you buy tray it doesn't
[23:30:28] scaramanga1: oh cool
[23:30:43] Jay2k1: and the stock cpu coolers by intel are quite decent
[23:30:43] scaramanga1: why wouldnt you buy it with an ssd? boot from flash?
[23:30:49] wagnerrp: network
[23:31:02] runelind: is VDA the OS X equiv of VDPAU?
[23:31:49] scaramanga1: okay thats not so bad
[23:32:00] scaramanga1: maybe an external IR receiver
[23:32:12] wagnerrp: i basically have an older, larger model
[23:32:29] wagnerrp: a G2120 and a ISK300–150
[23:32:55] keith4_: runelind, kind of, but less good
[23:33:07] wagnerrp: although the power supply antec shipped with it was loud and power hungry, so it got an 80W picopsu instead
[23:33:11] runelind: commuting time.
[23:33:41] wagnerrp: without it, i can't hear the thing tucked away in the home theater cabinet
[23:33:42] Jay2k1: btw, where would i report a display bug that happens with a certain theme in mythwelcome?
[23:34:23] scaramanga1: I wonder if that could drive a second display
[23:39:01] scaramanga1: whoa it says 2 seconds to pass bios boot
[23:39:28] wagnerrp: the only time i boot mine is rebooting for updates
[23:39:29] scaramanga1: hmm *on select models
[23:39:44] scaramanga1: you dont power it off with the tv?
[23:39:55] keith4_: wagnerrp, you ever have a picopsu die?
[23:40:03] keith4_: I know a guy who uses those, and he seems to go through them quickly
[23:40:04] wagnerrp: nope, nope
[23:40:14] wagnerrp: only ever had the one
[23:40:53] wagnerrp: and i'm only running about 1/3 output
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[23:44:17] keith4_: those things are impressive bits of engineering
[23:44:38] scaramanga1: heh google mythtv(video) shows a kevin rose review from 2005
[23:45:13] keith4_: okay, so this channel (1173) looks fine using PS3/DLNA from the prime. meaning the problem is my backend. sigh.
[23:45:31] keith4_: am I still supposed to be fetching listing data from schedule direct? or is there some other preferred way these days?
[23:46:22] wagnerrp: that's it
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[23:47:11] keith4_: also, does this indicate I need to increase (decrease?) the ringbuf size? mythbackend[4448]: I ProcessRequest ringbuffer.cpp:1098 (WaitForAvail) RingBuf(/myth/group3/3151_20140107234613.mpg): Waited 0.2 seconds for data to become available... 90708 < 360448
[23:47:55] keith4_: that's logged about.... every 2 seconds o so
[23:48:35] wagnerrp: is playback stuttering?
[23:48:43] keith4_: yes
[23:48:57] wagnerrp: try pausing a second or two, giving it a little more buffer
[23:49:01] keith4_: but it's subtle
[23:49:58] keith4_: ah, that fixes it
[23:50:35] keith4_: what's the downside to making the ringbuf huge? lag when changing channels?
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[23:50:52] wagnerrp: i don't believe there are any options to adjust the size of the ring buffer
[23:51:02] keith4_: oh, what am I thinking of then?
[23:51:35] wagnerrp: the old hard drive ringbuffer used for livetv like five years ago, before livetv was made into nothing more than another scheduled recording
[23:52:01] wagnerrp: i think the setting may still be lingering around somewhere, in need of removal from the menus
[23:52:10] keith4_: is that the "HD ringbuffer size (kb):" setting in General?
[23:52:14] MartinT: is that the reason for the delay in changing channels?
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[23:54:35] keith4_: wagnerrp, only 5 years ago? I just upgraded from 0.24, forgive me
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[23:55:01] keith4_: damn. that was only ~3 years old
[23:55:22] wagnerrp: i believe the change in livetv behavior was in the 0.21 development cycle
[23:55:32] wagnerrp: maybe 0.20
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[23:57:51] keith4_: alright, I'm out of guesses then

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