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| [00:16:39] | dashs: | suggestion box: make the current version of all the logfiles have a consistent name, rename when you open a new one. |
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| [00:21:24] | bill6502: | Assuming you're using --logpath, then just create an alias, for example this to tail the current backend log: |
| [00:21:27] | bill6502: | alias tbe='tailf `ls -rt /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.*.log|tail -1`' |
| [00:27:53] | plut0: | can anyone tell me why i intermittently get 0-byte recordings? http://pastebin.com/z8s2ZJSM |
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| [00:46:40] | archstar: | Is anyone here using a pace rng-110 with firewire? |
| [00:47:24] | tgm4883: | archstar, I think i had that at one point, it's been a long time though |
| [00:48:34] | archstar: | tgm4883: I can video with test_mpeg but in mythtv it just shows a black screen, I read somewhere it might do that because it can't tell if there is a lock or not. |
| [00:55:05] | archstar: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/pull/10 |
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| [01:29:35] | brandon_dacrib: | After upgrading to 0.27 I cannot play any files under watch videos: |
| [01:29:46] | brandon_dacrib: | I get an error: Failed to open remote file myth://Videos@/9.mkv |
| [01:30:24] | brandon_dacrib: | on all of my frontends, I think there may have been a db table or something that needs to be updated |
| [01:30:25] | brandon_dacrib: | any ideas? |
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| [01:38:42] | brandon_dacrib: | nevermind, following the instructions here did the trick http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO#Changing_your_hostname |
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| [01:45:27] | jya_: | Hi. I made the mistake of erasing in the videos settings the entry for the video type. They were all manually assigned to an external video player (upgrading a friend install). Now when I do a scan for videos, it finds nothing |
| [01:45:53] | jya_: | Is there a way to reset the list of types or do I have to recreate them all by hand? |
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| [01:49:49] | jya_: | This is going to take me forever if I have to set them by hand. Plus I'm bound to forget some |
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| [01:50:35] | jya_: | There's a bug too it seems: the command must be set, even if I check "default player" |
| [01:51:51] | jya_: | Anyone?? |
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| [02:41:13] | BLZbubba: | how painful would it be |
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| [03:03:19] | twiggy2pence: | So this may be known, but how come tvdb3 is pulling info on english titles then saving art of other languages on some |
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| [03:25:10] | skd5aner: | jya: sphery would know for sure if 0.24 can upgrade directly to 0.27, but I think the answer is yes... not positive though. |
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| [04:19:54] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents, buu: myth's index is different from the traditional video container index |
| [04:20:21] | wagnerrp: | it's an index of the byte locations of all keyframes, allowing rapid and accurate seeks |
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| [04:22:47] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: mythtv will search all defined directories to find a file. it does not limit itself to only those defined for the correct storage group |
| [04:23:16] | skd5aner: | why |
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| [04:27:02] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: that's not true. there are devices capable of capturing HDMI on linux. BlackMagic has one, but uses their own custom API. The Collosus has a driver, but it's not publicly available. |
| [04:27:30] | Twiggy2cents: | wagnerrp, so if you remove the sg and re add it does it remove myth's index? |
| [04:28:38] | Twiggy2cents: | Also do you have any idea whats happening with my videos with tmdb and returning the wrong language(was asked from my other computer (twiggy2pence) )? |
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| [04:29:33] | wagnerrp: | jya: yes. the breakpoint is with 0.23 |
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| [04:30:21] | wagnerrp: | TimeWolf__: eh? |
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| [04:31:33] | wagnerrp: | if you remove the sg, nothing will happen to the content, except mythtv may no longer be able to find it for playback |
| [04:32:09] | Twiggy2cents: | I assume you meant me. I recently lost the hdd that had all my metadata stored on it. Upon refreshing the metadata it returned them all in what i think is french |
| [04:32:35] | Twiggy2cents: | oops nevermind, saw his post in the scroll back |
| [04:32:56] | wagnerrp: | then you told mythtv you want it to operate in french |
| [04:33:06] | wagnerrp: | so it dutifully downloaded data in french |
| [04:33:19] | Twiggy2cents: | Well I didnt think I told it anything. Where would that setting be?: |
| [04:33:40] | wagnerrp: | when you first configured your frontend what language to use |
| [04:34:02] | Twiggy2cents: | hmmm my whole frontend is in english |
| [04:34:47] | wagnerrp: | run the frontend, open the video library, pull metadata for something, and check your logs to see what command line was used to query it |
| [04:35:23] | Twiggy2cents: | Okay, I have to run to the other computer so give me a moment |
| [04:35:50] | wagnerrp: | there should be an '-a' parameter for country, and '-l' parameter for language |
| [04:36:07] | twiggy2pence: | Running Grabber: /usr/local/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb3.py -l en -a US -D 97 |
| [04:37:10] | twiggy2pence: | If it has multiple choices, the choices show up in english. |
| [04:37:21] | wagnerrp: | shows up as english to me |
| [04:37:22] | twiggy2pence: | Also the plot shows up in english. It just seems to be the title cover |
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| [04:40:26] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, there was an issue where grabbers outputted images in first to last order, but the video library selected them in last to first order |
| [04:40:31] | wagnerrp: | i thought i fixed itt a couple years ago |
| [04:40:49] | wagnerrp: | but stuartm recently ran into some version of the issue |
| [04:49:02] | twiggy2pence: | http://imageshack.com/a/img20/2199/xiir.png |
| [04:49:18] | twiggy2pence: | There is a screenshot of one of them. It has done it to all of them |
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| [04:50:05] | wagnerrp: | looks russian |
| [04:50:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that's probably the issue i was describing. pulling from the bottom of the list rather than the top |
| [04:50:39] | twiggy2pence: | I recently had to rescan all the videos about a month ago and I didnt have this issue ( 0.27-fixes) and I am now on v0.27-115-gf785255 |
| [04:51:30] | twiggy2pence: | I have compiled and installed between then and now |
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| [04:57:22] | Twiggy2cents: | Do you think that is something that should be easily remedied? |
| [04:57:40] | wagnerrp: | it's something i thought i remedied a long time ago |
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| [05:02:07] | Twiggy2cents: | So possibly something on their end? |
| [05:03:41] | skd5aner: | stuartm fixed the reverse issue like 5 days ago, so if you haven't pulled fixes from then and re-scaned, you might see the same issue |
| [05:04:11] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: right, but i remember fixing that issue a couple years ago |
| [05:04:35] | Twiggy2cents: | Thanks, do you know if I will have to clear the video library and scan for changes to refresh it all? |
| [05:04:42] | wagnerrp: | i need to take a closer look at what was changed |
| [05:04:46] | wagnerrp: | that's going to bug me |
| [05:04:47] | skd5aner: | yea... I'm just saying that if Twiggy2cents thought it was fixed fixed a few weeks ago, it was more recent than that |
| [05:05:50] | skd5aner: | I spent 4 hours today under the assumption that my father was convienced that he changed the battery in a car I was keeping at his place for the last few years earlier this summer, but in fact... didn't |
| [05:08:27] | wagnerrp: | #11678 |
| [05:08:27] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11678 ** | |
| [05:08:36] | wagnerrp: | so... maybe not years ago |
| [05:10:43] | z0pluto: | Is anyone using an rng-110 to record over firewire? |
| [05:11:13] | wagnerrp: | better to get a cablecard tuner |
| [05:11:23] | wagnerrp: | more reliable, and cheaper in the long run |
| [05:12:05] | Twiggy2cents: | Well, I will recompile and see |
| [05:12:41] | wagnerrp: | my fix should have applied to the automatic selection of artwork |
| [05:12:57] | wagnerrp: | stuartm's fix was to the other half, the manual selection dialog |
| [05:13:29] | wagnerrp: | you should already have the fix for that issue |
| [05:14:08] | wagnerrp: | i really need to get a test system set up on my laptop |
| [05:14:24] | Twiggy2cents: | ohh well that sucks |
| [05:15:22] | Twiggy2cents: | Should I make a formal bug report or is this enough? |
| [05:15:30] | Twiggy2cents: | Or is there anything else I can do |
| [05:16:10] | wagnerrp: | ill re-open the existing ticket |
| [05:17:04] | Twiggy2cents: | Okay, I am getting off here. Thanks for the help! |
| [05:18:46] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: so, what changed between 11678 and what stuartm fixed? |
| [05:19:00] | wagnerrp: | nothing |
| [05:19:11] | wagnerrp: | same problem, but in two different places |
| [05:19:20] | skd5aner: | sorry – didn't ready ahead :/ |
| [05:19:24] | skd5aner: | read |
| [05:28:11] | wagnerrp: | z0pluto: cablecard tuners and firewire capture off a cable box give you access to the same content, that marked "copy freely" |
| [05:28:56] | wagnerrp: | but a cablecard rental is typically cheaper than a cable box rental, and the tuner will be able to record 2–6 channels at a time. cable boxes can only capture one channel at a time |
| [05:29:12] | wagnerrp: | so... higher up front cost, lower recurring cost |
| [05:29:22] | z0pluto: | wagnerrp: I know the cablebox already works, I tried it with test-mpeg. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire#How_to_get_test-mpeg2 |
| [05:29:41] | z0pluto: | wagnerrp: It doesn't work with mythtv because: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7205 |
| [05:29:46] | wagnerrp: | typically, firewire is only used these days as an alternative to IR blasting if using analog capture |
| [05:30:37] | wagnerrp: | hence its lack of interest in recent years |
| [05:31:35] | z0pluto: | Yeah, it seems highly temperamental |
| [05:32:15] | z0pluto: | It would still be nice to get it to work because comcast gives these boxes out standard. |
| [05:32:33] | [R]: | firewire channel changing > * |
| [05:33:00] | z0pluto: | I got channel changing to work with 6200ch |
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| [05:33:57] | wagnerrp: | you only use that if intending to do analog capture |
| [05:34:08] | z0pluto: | It just changes channels |
| [05:34:19] | wagnerrp: | right |
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| [05:34:49] | z0pluto: | But it is possible to capture tv over firewire. |
| [05:35:40] | wagnerrp: | yes. it used to get used until cablecard tuners became an option |
| [05:35:58] | z0pluto: | yes |
| [05:35:58] | wagnerrp: | now, it's only used in canada, where cable companies are not required to support cablecard tuners |
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| [09:45:13] | jya: | when you create a backup DB storage group, will running mythconverg_backup.pl automatically put the backup there? |
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| [12:14:42] | Twiggy2cents: | jya, if you put that path in your backuprc it will |
| [12:15:43] | jya: | Twiggy2cents: it didn't... I had to modify the ~/.mythtv/backuprc and make it point to the directory I wanted to be used |
| [12:15:51] | jya: | it didn't use the storage group value I had set |
| [12:16:12] | jya: | oh, sorry, I misread you... |
| [12:16:17] | jya: | what path would you put then? |
| [12:16:38] | ** jya it's too late ** | |
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| [12:52:25] | Twiggy2cents: | yeah as far as I know that storage group doesnt get used. You have to define the correct location in the .mythtv/backuprc |
| [12:53:39] | Twiggy2cents: | Same goes with the screenshot storage group. It appears you have to set the location on the frontend and even then appears to be local not a sg based item. I could be wrong though, thats just what I've found |
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| [13:59:31] | Rhomber: | he guys |
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| [14:00:22] | Rhomber: | I've noticed my reception gets bad during what can be called "peak" hours.. is this possible? or just a symptom of something else? (using DBV-T) |
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| [14:59:37] | dashs: | How can I stop the log files for mythpreviewgen? |
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| [16:03:00] | skd5aner: | dashs: don't think you can for just mythpreviewgen. You can turn it off for mythbackend and everything it launches, or leave it on for all. |
| [16:03:14] | skd5aner: | you can do something like logrotate though to remove them |
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| [16:18:48] | dashs: | skd5aner: so flexy |
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| [16:49:18] | skd5aner: | upgrade to 13.10 was pretty smooth, other than the jump from apache 2.2 to 2.4 and php 5.5, which changed a bit of stuff. |
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| [17:01:37] | dashs: | When storage is needed for a scheduled recording (forget about livetv for a bit) I have assumed that the space is allocated in directories assigned to the storagegroup given to the scheduled show. That right? |
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| [17:06:36] | buu: | You have a storage group assigned to a specific show? |
| [17:07:15] | dashs: | When you schedule, you say to what storagegroup the show will go. |
| [17:07:33] | dashs: | This with mythweb (advanced) opts |
| [17:12:15] | buu: | Ok, so.. presumably it goes to a directory in that group? |
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| [17:16:56] | dashs: | that's been my experience. However, if you run mythbackend --printexpire it seems to be storagegroup ignorant. |
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| [17:23:32] | sphery: | dashs: if you use syslog output, you control the log file naming and filtering outside of MythTV--meaning you can just filter out any mythpreviewgen messages |
| [17:24:26] | sphery: | (or, put another way, if you want to control log file naming and filtering outside of MythTV, use syslog) |
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| [17:25:19] | sphery: | dashs: autoexpiration happens on a per-file-system basis, and only on file systems to which new recordings are currently being written |
| [17:26:25] | sphery: | --printexpire shows the expiration priority, but does not take into account either a) scheduling (what will record next, and to where it will record) or b) storage groups/directories/file system information |
| [17:26:51] | sphery: | note, also, that the Storage Group Disk Scheduler chooses the location to which new recordings are written, and it's independent of auto-expiration priority |
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| [17:27:28] | sphery: | we have no scheduler that will look up the most-preferred-for-expiration show's location and choose to write to that location (assuming it exists in the show's Storage Group) |
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| [17:29:06] | sphery: | let alone handling things like, "I'm starting a 2-hr movie recording on a high-bitrate source, and the highest-priority-to-expire show is a 30min low-bitrate recording, but the next-20-highest-priority-to-expire shows exist on a different file system, so which should I choose since I'll have to expire more than just the little 30-min recording file" |
| [17:30:36] | sphery: | meaning --printexpire only lets you see the priority order using the simplistic auto-expire prioritization mechanism you've chosen, and is for use specifically to allow you to manually delete those shows you care least about (and, therefore, free up space on file systems so the Storage Group Disk Scheduler will choose to use the file systems with available space) |
| [17:30:41] | dashs: | I wasn't expecting anything that nuanced, but some reassurance that a show will wind up in its storagegroup. |
| [17:31:17] | sphery: | shows always will be written to directories in the Storage Group specified in the recording rule |
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| [17:32:54] | sphery: | as a matter of fact, that's all the storage group field really says--to which group the recording was originally written--since it will find the recording for playback even if it's moved to a directory that isn't in that Storage Group (assuming the directory is in some other Storage Group) |
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| [17:34:01] | dashs: | Yes, that observed as well. |
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| [17:36:32] | dashs: | Some clarification for 'only on filesystems to which new recordings are currently being written". |
| [17:36:54] | dashs: | Those that are not full? |
| [17:37:06] | dashs: | Or just mounted. |
| [17:38:06] | sphery: | auto-expiration never occurs /unless/ a file system is full |
| [17:38:14] | sphery: | (and a recording is currently being written to that file system) |
| [17:38:27] | sphery: | and the file system to which a recording is written is chosen by the Storage Group Disk Scheduler |
| [17:38:36] | sphery: | which doesn't take into account auto-expiration priority |
| [17:39:22] | dashs: | Doesn't observe recpriority either? |
| [17:39:36] | sphery: | so MythTV will gladly choose to write to a full 500GB file system, even when you have an empty 3TB file system with a directory that's in the same Storage Group, if that's the way you've configured your Storage Group Disk Scheduler |
| [17:39:52] | sphery: | no, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups#Sto . . . sk_Scheduler |
| [17:40:00] | dashs: | Thanks |
| [17:40:21] | sphery: | you have (the broken-for-users-with-full-file-systems) Balanced Free Space and Balanced Percent Free Space schedulers |
| [17:40:41] | sphery: | and the 2 that I think are always useful: Balanced Disk I/O and Combination |
| [17:41:50] | sphery: | I use Combination, and I don't have full file systems, but even if I did, it wouldn't do bad things (like always record to the same file system, such that after a few weeks, it's recording a new show while deleting a 2-week old recording, even when I have much-higher-priority-for-auto-expiration recordings that may be 6 years old on another file system) |
| [17:42:18] | sphery: | note, though, that exact situation is likely to occur if you choose Balanced Free Space or Balanced Percent Free Space and all your file systems are full |
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| [17:42:32] | sphery: | and the default is Balanced Free Space, because users told us that's what they wanted |
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| [17:43:18] | sphery: | even though they don't want it--because it results in "write everything to one file system, and start expiring new recordings after all the old content is expired off that one file system" |
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| [17:43:31] | sphery: | (while leaving lots of old content on all the other file systems) |
| [17:45:52] | sphery: | basically, with balanced free space or balanced percent free space, the scheduler looks at the file systems and one has the most free space, so it starts recording to that file system... as it's recording, shows are expired from that file system (which makes /more/ free space on that file system), so when it finishes recording, that file system is likely to have the most free space |
| [17:45:53] | dashs: | Clarification: local disk means ? on the bus, not nfs, not usb external? |
| [17:46:04] | sphery: | so when the next recording starts, it uses the same file system... |
| [17:46:08] | sphery: | not nfs |
| [17:46:15] | sphery: | (or cifs or ...) |
| [17:47:41] | sphery: | with balanced disk i/o or combination, it will spread new recordings across different file systems--so that when you have multiple concurrent recordings happening, you're definitely using different file systems, which means you're expiring old stuff from different file system, rather than all from one |
| [17:50:40] | dashs: | Agree about combination. |
| [17:53:06] | dashs: | Ideally, I'd like recording to go to bus-attached and migrate to external usb — just so much overhead, though. |
| [17:53:47] | sphery: | you can do that by creating an "Archive" Storage Group |
| [17:54:56] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/535888#535888 , specifically the answer to "what about a 'watch from but don't record to' storage group type" |
| [17:56:55] | dashs: | Will check that. |
| [17:59:25] | sphery: | as far as overhead, you can use something like rsync --bwlimit 2000 to "slowly" migrate recordings to an archive storage group |
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| [18:00:41] | sphery: | can even create a script as fancy as you like to, for example, using the Python bindings, pull the recording priority or autoexpire priority for shows and move the best to the archive storage or move based on recording group or recording rule or title or ... |
| [18:01:38] | sphery: | and it you do make a nice/fancy one, feel free to post it to the wiki |
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| [18:04:54] | dashs: | I have some manglement scripts now that I'd like to combine in a web app. But in an ancient tongue that is not written these days. |
| [18:06:04] | sphery: | hehe, seems that happens a lot |
| [18:06:16] | sphery: | I still have a ton of scripts I keep saying I'm going to update/fix up/... |
| [18:19:33] | buu: | dashs: How ancient can it possibly be? |
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| [19:23:25] | johnsu01: | do people ever chat about mythdroid here? trying to get streaming from my home backend to my tablet working reliably, and running into some errors |
| [19:23:32] | johnsu01: | it's pretty amazing when it works though :) |
| [19:44:18] | sulx: | johnsu01: I have been using https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id . . . tv&hl=fi |
| [19:44:42] | sulx: | at least streaming works ;) |
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| [20:34:21] | TimeWolf__: | anyone got any tips for getting OTA in a big city? lots of tall bldgs around. any recommended antennas? |
| [20:41:19] | johnsu01: | sulx: streaming was working on my local network, but now I'm getting greedy and wanting it to work offsite |
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| [20:42:05] | johnsu01: | sulx: GPLv3, nice, I will try it |
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| [20:46:51] | TimeWolf__: | sulx does that android fe work for high br videos? |
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| [20:58:12] | skd5aner: | dashs, sphery: just to clarify: "<sphery> auto-expiration never occurs /unless/ a file system is full" – that's not exactly true... |
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| [20:58:35] | sphery: | anything else is deletion |
| [20:58:44] | sphery: | i.e deleting short Live TV, etc. |
| [20:59:13] | skd5aner: | dashs, sphery: it's true for everything except live tv and deleted recordings. They will autoexpire within a configured amount of time regardless of free-space available. They will also autoexpire first should the disk fill up and need space |
| [20:59:15] | sphery: | or deleting stuff from the Deleted recording group because the setting says to keep it for x days |
| [20:59:41] | sphery: | what I'm saying is those aren't auto-expiration |
| [20:59:56] | sphery: | they're not expiring of wanted content |
| [21:00:19] | sphery: | regardless of the fact that the same code that handles auto-expiration of wanted content handles deletion of those (and, therefore, uses the word expire) |
| [21:00:27] | sphery: | but it definitely doesn't use "autoexpire" |
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| [21:02:30] | skd5aner: | johnsu01: are you sure you mean mythdroid and not mythtv frontend for android? |
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| [21:04:13] | skd5aner: | sphery: I was speaking from the techincal standpoint – it's technically using autoexpire, and that's important to understand from a "full disk" standpoint |
| [21:04:23] | skd5aner: | and what gets priority when it chooses what to autoexpire |
| [21:04:34] | skd5aner: | I typically have 10–100GB in my deleted recgroup... |
| [21:05:15] | skd5aner: | and, I think I have deleted recordings set to expire within 24 hours, and live tv to expire in 3 days |
| [21:05:19] | sphery: | well, I'll agree that autoexpire always starts with deleting Live TV (short or long) first, then Deleted recordings (second), then other recordings |
| [21:05:26] | skd5aner: | sometimes though, it won't make it that long :) |
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| [21:05:40] | sphery: | but it's not auto-expiration unless it's done "without user permission", IMHO |
| [21:06:12] | skd5aner: | same engine though, correct? |
| [21:06:39] | sphery: | i.e. automatically done by the system, versus "deleted from disk because the user explicitly deleted the recording to the Deleted recording group" or deletion of Live TV, which would have been deleted, anyway, within a day (unless the user changed the keep time to other than the default, up to 7days) |
| [21:07:18] | skd5aner: | I do find it a little odd, perhaps, that the priority would be live tv before deleted... at the end of the day either/or probably makes sense, but deleted to me seems like it should always go first |
| [21:07:21] | sphery: | but, yes, same code that handles auto-expire handles deletion of short live tv (always), Live TV (based on age), Deleted recordings (based on age) |
| [21:07:38] | sphery: | but there needs to be a distinction between "auto" and "because the user said" |
| [21:08:08] | sphery: | mainly live tv first because "if it was good enough to keep, the user would have pressed R" |
| [21:08:09] | skd5aner: | I can say, that while there sometimes is a debate about the value of leveraging the auto-expire capability for deleted and live tv, I really really really appreciate that it's there on the rare occasions I need it |
| [21:08:29] | skd5aner: | accidently deleted something, or decided the next day I wanted to show my wife something that was on Live TV yesterday, etc... |
| [21:08:44] | sphery: | yeah, Deleted recording group usage is a great thing |
| [21:08:57] | sphery: | and from a code standpoint makes things 10x simpler |
| [21:09:26] | skd5aner: | I set live tv to 3 days |
| [21:09:26] | sphery: | now it's a Delete queue (that will delete when the video isn't in use), and only one path for deletion--rather than 2 separate ones |
| [21:09:34] | skd5aner: | it's come in handy on some occasions |
| [21:09:53] | skd5aner: | and, if it needs to autoexpire live tv content sooner than that, then that's good too! |
| [21:10:00] | skd5aner: | of course, I have dedicated disks |
| [21:10:09] | sphery: | and, fwiw, until we changed everyone to using Deleted recording group, none of us figured out that the reason users couldn't delete non-existent recordings was because they enabled the Deleted recgroup, which didn't handle non-existent files properly |
| [21:10:12] | skd5aner: | ... for my recordings |
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| [21:10:46] | sphery: | yeah, I'm starting to wonder if there's really any good reason to have Live TV expired more quickly than Deleted, though |
| [21:10:57] | skd5aner: | sphery: actually, I think I reported that bug |
| [21:11:15] | sphery: | after all, as you implied above, "if I've already deleted it, why wouldn't it go first, then the Live TV I may not have triaged, yet" |
| [21:11:15] | skd5aner: | because I was an early adopter of the feature |
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| [21:11:43] | sphery: | so why not just let them set the one value to X days and then delete Live and Deleted recordings after that period |
| [21:11:54] | skd5aner: | actually, this is the bug I discovered – http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9360 |
| [21:12:03] | sphery: | hehe, that may well be... I remember looking at it about 10x and could never reproduce it |
| [21:12:20] | sphery: | oh |
| [21:12:48] | skd5aner: | items in the deleted record group were throwing off the delete + re-record option |
| [21:13:02] | sphery: | yeah, similar idea |
| [21:13:27] | sphery: | the not-well-tested-by-devs code path that was only used if you changed default settings |
| [21:13:45] | sphery: | (though you and others who changed that setting were actually doing what we all should have) |
| [21:13:52] | skd5aner: | well... |
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| [21:14:13] | skd5aner: | that's just the nature of the beast... devs don't have a testbed for all use cases |
| [21:14:29] | sphery: | I actually proposed removing the setting to use Deleted and always enabling it as a solution to the "can't delete in-use recordings" problem when I had never used Deleted recgroup myself |
| [21:14:51] | skd5aner: | some of this stuff only triggers in certain circumstances... full disks, after x days, if you want something to re-record within x days, etc... |
| [21:14:57] | sphery: | (and based on the number of devs who immediately said no to the proposal, I'm guessing few, if any, devs were using it) |
| [21:15:05] | skd5aner: | impossible to catch until you throw it out to the world |
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| [21:15:35] | skd5aner: | devs aren't using the deleted recgroup? |
| [21:15:37] | sphery: | but the funniest part is that I didn't even have to argue my reasoning and within 5mins those who said no convinced themselves--even to the point that stuartm made the change |
| [21:15:48] | sphery: | devs weren't--until we changed it so everyone is |
| [21:16:15] | skd5aner: | I sorta remember the conversation... |
| [21:16:28] | sphery: | one of the few times where it became pretty obvious pretty quickly that we were all using it wrong out of inertia and the other way was better |
| [21:16:30] | skd5aner: | I probably chimed in in support – I think it's a great feature with almost no down-sides |
| [21:16:37] | sphery: | yeah, agreed |
| [21:16:56] | skd5aner: | it's like a smarter version of the windows recycling bin even |
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| [21:17:01] | sphery: | and it makes me happy, too, because I didn't get torn to shreds for recommending the approach :) |
| [21:17:08] | sphery: | definitely |
| [21:18:10] | sphery: | it's amazing how many windows systems I look at for friends/family and notice that they've never once emptied their recycle bins and have so much garbage in them that they'd never remember to check there (let alone be able to find what they're looking for) |
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| [21:24:19] | skd5aner: | sphery: I've almost given up working on other people's personal computers... I care not to see how they spend their personal time |
| [21:24:36] | skd5aner: | things in the recycling bin often are there because someone wants them gone |
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| [21:30:27] | Korny: | wow |
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| [21:38:10] | Korny: | Somethings went boom wiht my setup, all my front ends are unresponsive, can't load recordings, the database checks out ok though :/ |
| [21:42:04] | skd5aner: | restart mythbackend, see if that helps |
| [21:42:25] | Korny: | I've done that... |
| [21:42:48] | Korny: | I went into backend setup, didn't change a thing, but now recordings are at least showing up |
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| [21:44:04] | skd5aner: | Korny: well, I litterally meant to restart mythbackend, not to go in to the setup |
| [21:44:15] | Korny: | I did that too |
| [21:44:20] | skd5aner: | look in top or htop... |
| [21:44:21] | Korny: | Along with reset the whole machine :) |
| [21:44:35] | skd5aner: | does mythbackend or mysqld look like it's running amuck |
| [21:44:40] | Korny: | nope |
| [21:44:47] | Korny: | low cpu usage on boht |
| [21:45:08] | Korny: | I'll look at the logs when I get home :/ |
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| [21:54:46] | Korny: | looks like backend is crashing a whole bunch actually. Failed to Scan SG Video Hosts: |
| [21:54:52] | ** Korny is confused ** | |
| [21:55:16] | skd5aner: | yea, it crashes daily for me |
| [21:55:48] | skd5aner: | needless to say, I'm hoping my bug reports eventually get looked at sometime soon |
| [21:58:18] | Korny: | Hmmm now that is strange |
| [21:58:26] | Korny: | skd5aner: you good with NFS shares? |
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| [22:07:00] | skd5aner: | Korny: depends, what's the question? |
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| [22:21:52] | Korny: | skd5aner: just a good fstab config is all |
| [22:23:55] | Korny: | however it seems as though my unraid system is in need of a reboot or something and I'm in the middle of a preclear lol |
| [22:25:39] | jams: | Korny for fstab there is nothing special about it. $ip:share $where_to_mount nfs |
| [22:25:49] | jams: | don't need a whole lot more then that |
| [22:26:20] | jams: | for rsize,wsize it's often best to let the server/client figure that out on it's own |
| [22:27:19] | z0pluto: | Does anyone here use a rng-110? |
| [22:30:14] | z0pluto: | What happened to libmythtv in 0.27? |
| [22:30:30] | z0pluto: | I am trying to port this to 0.27 https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/pull/10 |
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