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| [04:34:57] | [R]: | http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B99JU4S/ref=gb1h_ . . . p=1673798022 |
| [04:34:59] | [R]: | ZOMG |
| [04:35:01] | [R]: | 4TB |
| [04:35:05] | [R]: | what is this world coming to |
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| [04:37:41] | Sharky112065: | ug. 5900 RPM |
| [04:39:06] | [R]: | FOUR TERRABYTE! |
| [04:40:11] | Sharky112065: | Meh. can just use more 3 TB drives |
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| [05:00:57] | buu: | Mmm terrabytes |
| [05:01:26] | buu: | I just bought 4 of them haha |
| [05:02:19] | [R]: | 4 4tb drives? |
| [05:02:20] | [R]: | tahts insane |
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| [05:05:02] | [R]: | these dvds are only 6gb... such a waste |
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| [05:06:30] | buu: | Naw, I bought the 7200 3tb ones a week ago |
| [05:06:54] | buu: | I needed to back up my nas |
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| [05:17:27] | GenJa: | I've made the jump from 0.23 to 0.27 last week (CLEAN INSTALL), and have been having many issues, most I've fixed, but a couple still haunt me. 1 the meta data scrapper only uses TMDB.py for TV shows |
| [05:18:36] | GenJa: | 2. the metadata in videos disappears when I back out of watch video-close frontend |
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| [08:45:01] | a4343: | Greetings MythTV fans |
| [08:45:32] | a4343: | Can anyone help with basic MythTV question? |
| [08:46:28] | buu: | Only if you ask it. |
| [08:46:36] | a4343: | Thx here goes |
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| [08:48:28] | a4343: | In terms of watching cable TV and using MythTV as a DVR in some device, say a computer...wont this signal be scrambled by the cable company? How will the MythTV unscramble that? |
| [08:49:23] | a4343: | I tried a Tivo, was a major pain to set up, but still better than the cable company's stock DVR. I woudl like something better and free software |
| [08:49:47] | buu: | a4343: cable card |
| [08:49:51] | a4343: | The Tivo required I think an M card in order to I think unscramble channels |
| [08:50:14] | a4343: | These cable cards – will they work with most free software DVR's? |
| [08:50:56] | a4343: | Come to think of it, what am I going to plug the cable card into? What device? |
| [08:53:02] | a4343: | If I dont find a solution to this I am going to lose interest in TV and movies altogether. These bastards treat us all like we are criminals by default, invade our privacy and the TV/Movies they make are pretty much crap anyway |
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| [09:00:55] | buu: | a4343: Cable Cards work with decoding devices |
| [09:00:58] | a4343: | The M card plugs into say a PCI card in a computer. That is that PCI card called? |
| [09:01:11] | buu: | a4343: The only two I'm aware of that work with mythtv are the ceton pcie card and the hdhomerun prime |
| [09:01:25] | buu: | a4343: This device is also what you plug your coax line into |
| [09:01:38] | a4343: | thank you. May I ask what you use? |
| [09:01:41] | buu: | Ceton |
| [09:01:54] | a4343: | what is that? |
| [09:02:15] | buu: | http://cetoncorp.com/products/infinitv-4-pcie/ |
| [09:02:24] | a4343: | Oh the ceton pcie card, I will check it out thanks |
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| [09:02:37] | a4343: | BTW what do you use instead of MythTV? |
| [09:02:43] | buu: | Hrm? I use mythtv |
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| [09:02:58] | a4343: | Ok cool |
| [09:03:33] | a4343: | $200! good god almighty.... It must be a nice card |
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| [09:03:57] | buu: | Yeah all tv tuner cards are pretty expensive |
| [09:04:08] | buu: | Especially higher end ones that do cable card stuff |
| [09:04:29] | buu: | Keep in mind it has 4 tuners for 4 channels at once, has to pay to implement the propietary cable card specification, mpeg decoding, etc. |
| [09:04:34] | buu: | But yeah. |
| [09:05:47] | a4343: | thats fine. I am ok with. Come to think of it the card also has to process alot of information as well I imagine |
| [09:08:06] | a4343: | That is probably the way I am going to go. I really dont care about hdtv. We use the old picture tube TV's. I need to check out the system requirements. Does this card tax your computer system quite a bit? |
| [09:08:44] | buu: | Uh, not really |
| [09:08:56] | buu: | But I'd recommend a dedicated graphics card for hdmi out.. |
| [09:09:00] | buu: | At least if you're doing hdtv |
| [09:09:10] | buu: | Dunno if it matters if you're using tube tvs! |
| [09:09:37] | a4343: | I guess the card itself handles most of the work. Nah, good old analog tv or whatever the old style is, is good enough |
| [09:10:58] | buu: | EW! |
| [09:11:02] | a4343: | I heard that DRM is trying very hard to stop analog outputs. Is there a way to get from the graphics card, to a coaxial cable? |
| [09:11:09] | buu: | Sure |
| [09:11:20] | buu: | Once the card decodes it you can send it out anything your computer supports |
| [09:11:26] | a4343: | Awesome |
| [09:11:41] | buu: | The trick is that it depends on what drm is marked on the channel |
| [09:11:51] | a4343: | What do you mean? |
| [09:12:13] | buu: | Ok, cable channels can be marked with a series of drm flags ranging from "copy freely" to "copy never" |
| [09:12:24] | buu: | mythtv and friends can only deal with "copy freely" channels |
| [09:12:31] | a4343: | ugh |
| [09:12:34] | buu: | How a channel is marked depends on your cable provider. |
| [09:12:50] | buu: | Generally speaking non-hd channels and basic hd channels are usually copy-freely |
| [09:12:50] | a4343: | That defeats the whole purpose |
| [09:13:04] | a4343: | I dont want to copy anything. I do want to have a dvr that works |
| [09:13:12] | buu: | Well that does involve copying things |
| [09:13:17] | buu: | Which provider do you use? |
| [09:13:20] | a4343: | Cox |
| [09:13:44] | buu: | Um. I'm certainly not an expert but I don't recall seeing people say all their stuff was protected |
| [09:13:51] | buu: | I'd google it to see what actual users are saying |
| [09:13:55] | a4343: | It pretty much is |
| [09:13:56] | buu: | but I'd bet you can get all the basic channels |
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| [09:14:07] | buu: | a4343: I meant marked 'copy never' or similar |
| [09:14:15] | buu: | Generally only things like hbo get marked like that |
| [09:14:30] | a4343: | This DRM junk interferes with almost everything, you cant control anything at all in your library even if you own every single copy |
| [09:14:34] | a4343: | screw it |
| [09:14:40] | a4343: | Thx anyway |
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| [09:16:17] | buu: | o.o |
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| [13:16:59] | Nindustries: | Any suggestions regarding processing power for a quad dvb-s2 mythtv standalone server? |
| [13:20:03] | Merlin83b: | What processing do you want it to do? |
| [13:20:27] | Merlin83b: | Commflagging? Transcoding? |
| [13:22:39] | Nindustries: | Act as a tuner server for my xbmc client(s) |
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| [13:32:57] | Merlin83b: | CPU power won't really come into it then. |
| [13:33:08] | Merlin83b: | You'd easily get away with anything you have lying around :) |
| [13:34:06] | Nindustries: | Oh, good :D |
| [13:36:41] | sheptard: | tear |
| [13:36:49] | sheptard: | how I wish I could run dvb-s2 cards here |
| [13:41:39] | Nindustries: | sheptard, Why not> |
| [13:45:24] | sheptard: | nobody supports them, and nothing good on fta |
| [13:46:36] | Merlin83b: | I'm running 2 DVB-S2 cards and loving it, but then I am in the UK... |
| [13:47:51] | Merlin83b: | Hooray Freesat :) |
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| [15:18:34] | GenJa: | I've made the jump from 0.23 to 0.27 last week (CLEAN INSTALL), and have been having many issues, most I've fixed, but a couple still haunt me. |
| [15:18:54] | GenJa: | 1 the meta data scrapper only uses TMDB.py for TV shows |
| [15:19:17] | GenJa: | 2. the metadata in videos disappears when I back out of watch video-close frontend |
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| [16:08:26] | mengo: | hmm I think metadata is store the mysql db, you checked the permissions on the db? |
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| [16:25:15] | GenJa: | i tan select user,host from mysql.user; Mythtv has accses at% and root at 127.0.0.1 |
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| [16:26:24] | GenJa: | I have everything fron and back end set up for 192.168.0.101 |
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| [17:06:51] | mengo: | hmm |
| [17:07:41] | mengo: | which distro you using? |
| [17:07:59] | mengo: | when the meta data is found do you see it in the db? |
| [17:08:08] | mengo: | what does the metadata log say? |
| [17:15:34] | Kwisher: | my new/used hdhr just came in the mail :) |
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| [17:55:40] | GenJa: | Mythbuntu 12.10 |
| [17:56:04] | GenJa: | how would i see it in the db? |
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| [18:04:28] | GenJa: | Where is the metadata log, in the frontend log? |
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| [18:43:19] | mengo: | I use phpMyAdmin, I can see my metadata in localhost » mythconverg » videometadata |
| [18:44:59] | mengo: | on my backend /var/log/mythtv/mythmetadatalookup.... seems to be the logfile |
| [18:45:15] | mengo: | but there could be a clue in one of the others |
| [18:45:36] | mengo: | tailf the logfile and see what appears when you load the frontend etc |
| [18:46:08] | mengo: | if you run the frontend from the cli in a window may help, see what appears on the cli |
| [18:48:37] | GenJa: | mythmetadatalookup is empty |
| [18:49:22] | mengo: | hmmm |
| [18:51:52] | mengo: | I must admit my metadata lookups work on my video archive but not recordings so I'm not 100% sure where to look, just putting ideas out there |
| [18:52:04] | GenJa: | just installed phpmyadmin |
| [18:53:07] | GenJa: | I don't have recordings, Ive got an old pvr150 |
| [18:53:45] | GenJa: | where do i look in myadmin |
| [18:54:13] | mengo: | I can see my metadata in localhost » mythconverg » videometadata |
| [18:58:43] | GenJa: | i see data in localhost » mythconverg » videometadata, but I see a entry for airforce one with full data and another with null |
| [18:59:30] | mengo: | presumably in your video library the same is true, you have metadata for airforce one but not the other one? |
| [19:00:43] | mengo: | when you close the frontend but refresh the screen in phpmyadmin does the data for airforce one disappear? |
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| [19:01:27] | GenJa: | i just went to front end and retrived Air force one and now I have 3 entries 2 with data on null |
| [19:01:52] | GenJa: | if i back out of frontend it will probably 2 with null |
| [19:02:26] | mengo: | hmm weird |
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| [19:03:39] | mengo: | in phpmyadmin > users > mythtv > edit privileges |
| [19:03:45] | mengo: | all checked except grant? |
| [19:04:50] | GenJa: | in the phpmyadmin dropdown? |
| [19:05:17] | mengo: | for me users is across the top |
| [19:08:38] | GenJa: | in mysql > users there are 2 mythtv users, on host says %, the other says localhost |
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| [19:09:31] | mengo: | check the % one |
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| [19:10:45] | GenJa: | all checked N |
| [19:11:08] | mengo: | hmm |
| [19:11:18] | GenJa: | select_privSuper_priv...etc |
| [19:11:21] | mengo: | well, I'm stumped |
| [19:11:38] | mengo: | I hate to abandon you but I need to go cook dinner |
| [19:11:51] | mengo: | good luck |
| [19:12:50] | GenJa: | Thanks for the help,enjoy!! would dumpong the DB be a last ditch effort, like I said its a clean install |
| [19:14:08] | mengo: | I maybe dumping my db soon, I think I have a screwed up version conflict in my recent clean install |
| [19:14:40] | GenJa: | should I? |
| [19:15:02] | mengo: | well, if you know what your doing, why not |
| [19:15:56] | GenJa: | I'll probably clonezilla the install and dump it! |
| [19:16:24] | GenJa: | the db that is. :) |
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| [20:01:37] | wagnerrp: | GenJa: 0.27 should force you to use the new tmdb3.py grabber |
| [20:01:53] | wagnerrp: | if anything is trying to use tmdb.py, something wrong has happened |
| [20:04:31] | GenJa: | it uses tmdb3 but doesn't get any TV info |
| [20:05:29] | buu: | GenJa: Did you figure out the db issues? |
| [20:05:59] | GenJa: | not yet, im running clonezilla ATM |
| [20:06:29] | buu: | GenJa: I was just going to say, by default the 0.27 install doesn't set the right password for the mythtv user, you have to manually change it |
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| [20:06:50] | buu: | But if the rest of the system is saving settings to it properly then it should be correct.. |
| [20:07:43] | buu: | GenJa: But did I hear you say you're having trouble with video metadata? |
| [20:09:22] | GenJa: | it save movie data in the DB but if i back out of front end it disappears from the front end |
| [20:10:00] | wagnerrp: | GenJa: give me a specific example of what you're searching for |
| [20:10:26] | buu: | That's excellently weird. So you go to video collection -> folders -> file; and it displays metadata? Then you exit out of the menus and repeat and no metadata? |
| [20:10:40] | buu: | And you have entries that match that filename in videometadata table? |
| [20:10:49] | buu: | Are these recorded or archived shows? |
| [20:11:28] | wagnerrp: | are these actually recordings or video library videos? |
| [20:13:01] | GenJa: | media library > watch videos > (my movie folder-gallery view) >>select "air force one" press W, info-art appears. esc to main menu of FE, go back.. ART INFO gone! |
| [20:13:25] | wagnerrp: | are you using "file browse mode"? |
| [20:13:40] | wagnerrp: | such that it bypasses the database, and scans the file system each time you enter the video library? |
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| [20:14:25] | GenJa: | gallery mode |
| [20:14:29] | ** wagnerrp decides to work on (removing) that this afternoon ** | |
| [20:14:43] | buu: | wagnerrp: haha, the disk scanning mode? |
| [20:15:06] | GenJa: | no, it doesnt scan every tim i enter Video Library |
| [20:15:15] | wagnerrp: | it's been nothing but an endless source of troubles |
| [20:15:17] | buu: | GenJa: what does the entry in the database look like? |
| [20:15:29] | buu: | wagnerrp: Can you add a virtualfilename field while you're in there please? |
| [20:15:42] | wagnerrp: | virtual filename? |
| [20:16:58] | buu: | wagnerrp: Yes, I want the 'folder view' mode to use virtual filename to construct its view then use the actual filename to play the file |
| [20:17:12] | buu: | wagnerrp: Right now I'm doing truly evil thing with symlinks to accomplish the same thing |
| [20:18:32] | GenJa: | buu : i have two entries on with info one with null |
| [20:18:47] | buu: | GenJa: Null... where? |
| [20:18:49] | wagnerrp: | id say just keep using the symlinks, or write a new view |
| [20:19:05] | buu: | I think I might need to write a new view =[ |
| [20:19:11] | wagnerrp: | i'm actually considering how to make it easier to write a view |
| [20:19:31] | GenJa: | buu :tagline studio |
| [20:19:32] | wagnerrp: | maybe add a lua interpreter, and implement all the views using it |
| [20:21:21] | buu: | wagnerrp: Now there's a scary thought |
| [20:21:43] | buu: | wagnerrp: Next trick, embed webkit and make all GUI elements HTML5 =] |
| [20:22:02] | buu: | GenJa: sorry, could you paste the complete output of the table to a site? |
| [20:22:12] | wagnerrp: | it's not something that would be run real-time |
| [20:22:27] | wagnerrp: | all these views would end up pre-generated and cached in the backend |
| [20:22:42] | GenJa: | buu : which table ? |
| [20:22:49] | wagnerrp: | right now, they're only available in the frontend, and not to the services api or upnp server |
| [20:23:33] | buu: | GenJa: videometadata |
| [20:23:47] | wagnerrp: | use a pastebin, don't paste in here |
| [20:24:03] | buu: | wagnerrp: Wait, how do you pregenerate a view? |
| [20:24:17] | wagnerrp: | right now... you don't |
| [20:24:22] | buu: | Why would you want to? |
| [20:24:27] | wagnerrp: | they are generated by the video library, when you open the video library |
| [20:24:29] | buu: | How would that even work |
| [20:24:34] | buu: | Right.. |
| [20:25:12] | wagnerrp: | which means they are only available from the backend, and cause the video library to take considerable time opening large libraries |
| [20:25:19] | wagnerrp: | s/backend/frontend/ |
| [20:25:57] | wagnerrp: | i want to have those cached in the backend, so the frontend only pulls it's current level and opens immediately |
| [20:26:49] | GenJa: | buu : this is from phpmyadmin web page http://pastebin.com/ECfUDufN |
| [20:27:23] | GenJa: | if you need it from CL let me know where its located |
| [20:27:25] | buu: | Oh because the metadata is all on the backend isn't it |
| [20:27:41] | wagnerrp: | the metadata is all in the database |
| [20:27:42] | GenJa: | i think its on the front end |
| [20:27:48] | buu: | wagnerrp: Of course |
| [20:27:53] | GenJa: | back end log show no activity |
| [20:28:13] | wagnerrp: | when the video library loads, it runs one ginormous query to pull it all out of the database, and then uses that to build the entire tree structure for the current view |
| [20:28:15] | buu: | wagnerrp: By 'view' you just mean the gui elements that display the individual icons right? |
| [20:28:18] | buu: | yeah |
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| [20:28:32] | wagnerrp: | with a large video library, and certain views, that process can take a long time |
| [20:28:32] | buu: | I mean you could just make the view not stupid instead of adding caching |
| [20:28:34] | buu: | Caching scares me |
| [20:28:53] | Kwisher: | on the mythtv hdhr site it says to enter this command for max receive socket buffer size : sysctl -w net.core.rmem_max=1048576 |
| [20:29:00] | wagnerrp: | you can't make it "not stupid" without caching |
| [20:29:41] | Kwisher: | does this make it stick or do i have to change a config somewhere? |
| [20:29:44] | wagnerrp: | the only way to intelligently load levels is to have those levels already defined, which implies caching |
| [20:30:18] | buu: | GenJa: what happens if you delete intid 1895 from videometadata? |
| [20:30:58] | buu: | wagnerrp: Why couldn't you intelligently load levels with smarter queries? |
| [20:31:29] | buu: | Or use a saner database structure? |
| [20:31:56] | buu: | Kwisher: That shouldn't be permanent, no. |
| [20:32:30] | GenJa: | buu: how? |
| [20:32:36] | buu: | GenJa: I assume oyu're testing with timecop? |
| [20:32:37] | Kwisher: | buu: what do i need to do to make it permanent? |
| [20:32:54] | buu: | GenJa: uh, delete from videometadata where intid=1895; ? click delete on the row in phpmyadmin? |
| [20:33:04] | wagnerrp: | you can't intelligently load levels without knowing what those levels are ahead of time, which means processing all the data ahead of time |
| [20:33:11] | wagnerrp: | again, implying caching |
| [20:33:27] | buu: | wagnerrp: When you say 'level' you're referring to individual tree levels right? |
| [20:33:44] | wagnerrp: | the only view that really lends itself to this is the folder view, which is effectively computed and cached in the filename field |
| [20:34:52] | buu: | wagnerrp: The other non-folder views seem incredibly useless but maybe my setup is somewhat unique? |
| [20:35:11] | wagnerrp: | i'll be honest, i rarely use them |
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| [20:36:26] | buu: | wagnerrp: Anyway, obviously caching has its place, I'm just wondering how you handle invalidating the cache at exactly the right moment? |
| [20:36:28] | wagnerrp: | but i'm of the opinion it's a very useful feature that would be used more if made faster and more flexible |
| [20:36:56] | wagnerrp: | you invalidate the cache and regenerate whenever metadata is modified |
| [20:37:00] | wagnerrp: | that's easy enough to track |
| [20:37:08] | buu: | mysql doesn't support table triggers does it? |
| [20:37:19] | wagnerrp: | it assumes users are not manually tinkering around in the database |
| [20:37:22] | buu: | oh |
| [20:37:24] | buu: | =[ |
| [20:37:26] | wagnerrp: | but that has always been the assumption with mythtv |
| [20:37:40] | buu: | If we're assuming that can we get metadata scripts that don't suck? |
| [20:38:13] | ** wagnerrp wrote one of those scripts ** | |
| [20:38:25] | buu: | =p |
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| [20:38:43] | GenJa: | sorry the only 1895 i can see is year |
| [20:38:43] | wagnerrp: | besides, the metadata scripts don't touch the database |
| [20:38:54] | wagnerrp: | they feed data back into mythtv, which in turn pushes it into the database |
| [20:39:13] | buu: | Really? I thought they touched the table |
| [20:39:21] | buu: | wagnerrp: https://github.com/rmzg/myth-videometadata |
| [20:39:31] | buu: | GenJa: You can run sql right? |
| [20:39:52] | GenJa: | get a mysql prompt? |
| [20:39:58] | buu: | GenJa: No, via mysqladmin |
| [20:40:03] | buu: | There's a box someplace "run sql" |
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| [20:40:17] | ** wagnerrp cannot be held accountable for what end-users come up with and publish ** | |
| [20:41:48] | GenJa: | under Run SQL query/queries on server "localhost": I get.. |
| [20:41:55] | wagnerrp: | "hash => '1234', #TODO What should we set here?" |
| [20:41:59] | GenJa: | #1064 – You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'run sql' at line 1 |
| [20:41:59] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1064 ** | |
| [20:42:04] | ** wagnerrp shakes his head ** | |
| [20:43:48] | wagnerrp: | buu: something that will really blow your mind, a content scanner should never touch the filesystem either |
| [20:44:25] | wagnerrp: | scanners are supposed to connect to all available backends, and query a file list from the backend, not query the filesystem directly |
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| [20:48:11] | buu: | wagnerrp: Oh, yeah, ideally, I just couldn't figure out how to make that work |
| [20:48:32] | buu: | wagnerrp: I didn't want to reimplement the hashing algorithm! |
| [20:48:41] | buu: | wagnerrp: And it doesn't seem to matter, haha |
| [20:48:56] | Kwisher: | buu: any help with my question? |
| [20:48:57] | wagnerrp: | it only matters when scanning internally |
| [20:49:01] | buu: | right |
| [20:49:11] | wagnerrp: | specifically, it matters when trying to move data around |
| [20:49:21] | wagnerrp: | so that you don't flush the metadata, and then immediately reload it |
| [20:49:41] | buu: | Kwisher: https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/ . . . ameters.html |
| [20:50:30] | buu: | wagnerrp: How do you construct filenames such that mythtv can pull them from multiple backends? |
| [20:51:11] | wagnerrp: | the filename is the path the file can be found, relative to the path defined in the Videos storage group |
| [20:51:21] | wagnerrp: | the hostname is the backend the file can be found on |
| [20:51:32] | wagnerrp: | at the moment, mythtv will only search that specific backend for the file |
| [20:51:44] | wagnerrp: | you cannot pull a single file from multiple backends |
| [20:51:49] | wagnerrp: | i plan to correct that by 0.28 |
| [20:52:01] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/QUERY_SG_GETFILELI . . . _Protocol%29 |
| [20:52:09] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/QUERY_FILE_HASH_%28Myth_Protocol%29 |
| [20:52:59] | wagnerrp: | you also cannot have a single file stored in more than one location, something that will be corrected by the same set of changes |
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| [21:08:52] | natanojl: | wagnerrp: "hash => 1235, #1234 is movies, 1235 is tv. Hilarious!" |
| [21:08:52] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1234 ** | |
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| [21:29:04] | buu: | natanojl: =] |
| [21:30:02] | buu: | natanojl: It made sense at the time! |
| [21:31:56] | Kwisher: | buu: thx for the info |
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