| Sunday, November 3rd, 2013, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:03] | Clam: | later stuartm, jevidl |
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| [00:00:09] | jevidl: | cya |
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| [00:41:38] | knightr: | jevidl, you could schedule the jobs with MythWeb |
| [00:42:12] | jevidl: | knightr: I will start looking for that. For the moment, I have the frontend installed so that I could setup a test job, but thanks! |
| [00:42:26] | knightr: | np... |
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| [00:46:07] | knightr: | the reason why an Atom is not recommended (by at least some of the devs) is you have to rely on hardware acceleration (VDPAU for example) and while it does a pretty decent job there might be things it can't handle and the Atom is not powerful enough if the GPU doesn't provide hardware acceleration.. |
| [00:47:00] | wagnerrp: | well at least that's the reason if you're only planning on using it for a frontend |
| [00:47:13] | wagnerrp: | if you plan on using it as a master backend, there are other issues with performance as well |
| [00:47:27] | jevidl: | knightr: that's about what I figured. if I don't need it for setting up recordings, that's fine. I'm not too worried about watching things live, for the most part. Currently the plan is just to do OTA stuff anyway, so I don't think there's a need for a fronted right now. |
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| [00:48:00] | jevidl: | wagnerrp: nope, I've got a much more powerful machine for the backend so that it can transcode, commercial detect, etc. |
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| [00:48:57] | knightr: | wagnerrp, didn't think somebody would be masochistic enought to use one as a backend.. :) |
| [00:49:08] | knightr: | s/enought/enough |
| [00:49:21] | wagnerrp: | there are people masochistic to try to use ARMs as backends |
| [00:49:29] | knightr: | LOL... |
| [00:49:42] | wagnerrp: | and not even decent Cortex units, like ARM9s and ARM11s |
| [00:50:02] | wagnerrp: | and then they try to get other people on the mailing list to join them |
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| [00:59:07] | kisak: | wagnerrp: isn't that the new hip thing to do? use crippled hardware for high demand loads |
| [00:59:13] | knightr: | if it can barely work currently what makes them believe it will work in the future? Most apps requirements get bigger with time, not lower... It's not a good idea to go with underpowered hardware thinking it will work in the future... |
| [01:00:12] | kisak: | knightr: I don't know about that, going from mythtv 0.26 to 0.27, the database queries are noticably faster |
| [01:00:58] | knightr: | I have nothing against using that kind of hardware if it can handle the task (like Atoms). |
| [01:02:47] | knightr: | kisak, that's quite possible but usually the requirements of most apps gets bigger with time, as the hardware gets better we start asking it to do more things/processing.. |
| [01:03:13] | knightr: | it doesn't mean that some things can't be optimized though... |
| [01:03:46] | kisak: | I have a sketchy frontend that has lousy dual core and a 128MB vram nvidia 8400GS, it works using 80% of both cores and vdpau for the rendering, but it's also using a little bit more vram than it has available, so corners are cut |
| [01:04:54] | knightr: | kisak, I had even less powerful hardware than that at first. |
| [01:04:57] | kisak: | you have to start a couple recording back to back to punt some other bits out of vram so that vdpau can initialize properly |
| [01:05:04] | knightr: | and I do have one Atom as frontend... |
| [01:06:45] | knightr: | but I know that, eventually, I might have to upgrade it if VDPAU (and other hardware acceleration methods) stop doing their magic... :) |
| [01:07:07] | knightr: | yikes... |
| [01:12:57] | knightr: | (my main frontend (and backend) can hamdle decoding in software though) |
| [01:14:28] | kisak: | that frontend is in a lesser used room of the house |
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| [01:15:08] | jevidl: | knightr: I had already managed to add mythweb, and it's working pretty well at the moment |
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| [01:16:21] | jevidl: | knightr: I added two recordings to my schedule, thanks! |
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| [02:59:28] | skd5aner: | !seen IReboot |
| [02:59:28] | MythLogBot: | IReboot was last seen 34 days 15 hours 51 minutes ago |
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| [03:03:59] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: you happen to be around? had a quick quesiton about mythexport |
| [03:04:11] | skd5aner: | sorry, I mean... mythvidexport |
| [03:04:31] | wagnerrp: | shoot |
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| [03:41:27] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: ack, sorry – didn't see your reply. I'll ping you (if needed) sometime tomorrow, just playing around with it for the first time. Used to use nuvexport back in the day, figured I'd give this a shot for archiving some stuff |
| [03:41:34] | skd5aner: | good night! :) |
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| [08:23:16] | wizbit: | I have a strange problem |
| [08:23:55] | wizbit: | I have converted my backend server also into a frontend, everything works, however I have 3x copies of all my video files showing |
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| [08:52:35] | wizbit: | ok sorted it with this |
| [08:52:39] | wizbit: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Remove_duplicate_videos.py |
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| [11:59:39] | stuartm: | does anyone know if there is a tool or sys nodes that will let me inspect the current status of a DVB frontend (not mythfrontend), current tuning parameters, state of LNA, etc? |
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| [12:24:29] | SteveGoodey: | stuartm: Sounds like devinheitmuller job. |
| [12:25:34] | natanojl: | stuartm: dvbsnoop -s feinfo provides some information, but perhaps not LNA state |
| [12:26:40] | stuartm: | aye, but I don't like bothering Devin too much – might have to though as I don't grok this driver code well enough to tell if it even supports the DTV_LNA property |
| [12:27:07] | stuartm: | if it doesn't then my experiments with controlling the LNA from within mythtv aren't going anywhere |
| [12:28:14] | stuartm: | natanojl: thanks, seems to do half of what I wanted, although it was specifically the LNA state that I was most interested in |
| [12:28:30] | natanojl: | stuartm: np |
| [12:28:56] | stuartm: | that said, if this driver doesn't support FE_SET_PROPERTY(DTV_LNA), then it's probably not going to support FE_GET_PROPERTY(DTV_LNA) either |
| [12:30:38] | SteveGoodey: | stuartm: I'm probably talking out of my rear end here, I'm no dev, but is this of any use? //www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger.kernel.org/msg52924.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-media@vger. . . . sg52924.html |
| [12:34:50] | stuartm: | that looks like the patch which added the option to the API, but I can't determine one way or the other whether it's actually honoured by the driver used by my hardware |
| [12:37:02] | stuartm: | there's a lot more discussed in that thread than appears in the attached patches ... |
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| [12:44:48] | stuartm: | ultimately I can't see anyuse of dtv_property_cache.lna in dib0700* or even dibusb-common |
| [12:45:33] | stuartm: | guess I'll cross that task off my list for 0.28 :/ |
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| [15:09:35] | skd5aner: | superm1: ping, you around? I'm having an upstart issue I can't seem to get past in ubuntu for mythbackend. I've always mirrored your mythbuntu upstart script, and then I tried to update to the latest version, and now upstart just hangs when I try to start or stop the job... |
| [15:10:18] | skd5aner: | superm1: ironically enough, when I try to get it back to the state it was in when it was "working", it still doesn't work... and there doesn't seem to be any logging that helping me |
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| [15:32:34] | skd5aner: | superm1: ironically, a reboot solved it. I had been dealing with this issue for 2 weeks. Upstart itself must of got itself in a bind |
| [15:33:54] | skd5aner: | tgm4883: ^ I know you tried to help a little too, just wanted to give you the update since we left scratching our heads :) |
| [15:56:48] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: ping, if you're up for those mythvidexport questions :) |
| [15:58:39] | wagnerrp: | shoot |
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| [16:17:26] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: well, I tried to get it set up as a user job, but I only see it in the queue |
| [16:17:35] | skd5aner: | never gets out of the queue |
| [16:19:22] | wagnerrp: | did you enable it? |
| [16:19:33] | skd5aner: | ummmm |
| [16:19:38] | skd5aner: | lol, probably not |
| [16:19:51] | ** skd5aner smacks forehead ** | |
| [16:21:19] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: JobAllowUserJob4 |
| [16:21:37] | skd5aner: | was set to 0 :P |
| [16:21:43] | skd5aner: | man I hate when I do dumb things |
| [16:21:51] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [16:24:08] | skd5aner: | great, now the upstart stuff isn't working :/ |
| [16:24:10] | skd5aner: | ugh |
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| [16:47:52] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: haven't tried to diagnose this much yet, but it errored out... JobQueue: User Job '/usr/local/bin/mythvid |
| [16:47:52] | skd5aner: | export.py --skipdata --skiplist --cutlist 23568' failed. |
| [16:49:37] | wagnerrp: | those don't sound like options that actually exist |
| [16:49:51] | skd5aner: | yup |
| [16:49:56] | skd5aner: | seekdata, not skipdata |
| [16:50:11] | skd5aner: | thanks |
| [16:52:13] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: that did it |
| [16:52:22] | skd5aner: | 2 for 2 today... egg on face |
| [16:52:40] | skd5aner: | I ought to stop shooting at my feet |
| [16:56:13] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: can you use all three of those flags at the same time? It doesn't appear to have copied the skiplist, the recording doesn't appear to be commflagged once it's in mythvideo |
| [16:57:23] | wagnerrp: | it's entirely possible i'm copying them wrong |
| [16:57:36] | wagnerrp: | it copies them to the proper table, but it may be reporting the wrong filename |
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| [17:04:28] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: which table contains the commskip data? |
| [17:05:41] | wagnerrp: | recordedmarkup/filemarkup |
| [17:14:28] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: ok, now I fixed the %TITLE% issue, same problem with commflag not transfering |
| [17:17:01] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: so, recordedmarkup would have the commflagg marks for recordings, and filemarkup would contain the commflag marks for videos, that the idea? |
| [17:17:55] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [17:18:14] | skd5aner: | So, in my filemarkup, I have a single line entry for the new file... |
| [17:18:28] | skd5aner: | I would assume there'd be multiple lines or each flagged skip point |
| [17:18:33] | skd5aner: | s/or/for |
| [17:18:33] | wagnerrp: | should be |
| [17:19:12] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: that entry appears to be the bookmark is all |
| [17:19:23] | skd5aner: | I'm assuming type 2 is bookmark |
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| [17:20:08] | lapion: | hmm I have 2 dvb adaptors connected to my system, but both device instances point to the same physical card.. |
| [17:21:15] | wagnerrp: | you have two directories in /dev/dvb, and they both point to the same piece of hardware? |
| [17:21:29] | lapion: | wagnerrp, yes |
| [17:21:40] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a problem for #linuxtv |
| [17:22:07] | lapion: | yes thought so.. just to be certain nobody in here has the same proble.. |
| [17:22:37] | lapion: | actually it is not a real problem the real problem is not being able to disable the dvb part of one of the 2 cards |
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| [17:22:55] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: do you personally use the export script that often – have you had any luck with copying commskip markups? |
| [17:23:18] | wagnerrp: | i only record MPEG2, so i cut everything before archiving it |
| [17:23:23] | wagnerrp: | i've never used those options |
| [17:23:36] | skd5aner: | heh – ok, well... I think they're broken :) |
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| [17:24:37] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: unfortunately, I have a lot of h.264 stuff from the hd-pvr I want to archive, so cutting isn't as clean |
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| [17:30:44] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: thanks for the utility though, I've given up on carying about transcoding I think... this will work nicely, but would love to have the ability to still use the cutlists |
| [17:30:50] | skd5aner: | well, the commflag that is |
| [17:31:03] | skd5aner: | s/carying/caring |
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| [18:09:09] | skrap: | i'm running .25 (mythbuntu precise). I am unable to skip back while watching live tv. playback will stop like it's going to skip back, but then resume playback from the current position. if i start recording, then switch to "view recordings" i am able to skip back no problems. |
| [18:09:40] | skrap: | but, i'm pretty sure i'm supposed to be able to skip back a certain amount in live tv mode as well.... |
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| [18:29:04] | stuartm: | skrap: you might consider enabling the mythbuntu repos and upgrade to 0.27, the problem may already be fixed |
| [18:29:49] | stuartm: | skrap: if that's not an option, at least check that you have the very latest (last) release of 0.25, which iirc was 0.25.4 |
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| [19:17:54] | plut0: | i'm trying to add an attachment to a bug and i'm getting this, Submission rejected as potential spam, any ideas how to get this uploaded on Trac? |
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| [20:29:55] | parann0yed: | if any one is on...using mythtv .26 on centos. working great with a hdhomerun prime. only thing i notice is with both recordings and live tv I need to pause it every so often to let it catch up. the sound gets just slightly behind. |
| [20:30:06] | parann0yed: | like a half second... |
| [20:30:48] | parann0yed: | it may be my computer is just too old? this happens with hd channels. i haven't tried standard def channels. |
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| [21:13:31] | kwtm: | Google couldn't clarify my following question: if I have two tuners on my HDHomeRun, then in the MythTV Backend setup, should I have two different video sources? Or should I, in the Input Connections menu, assign the same video source I have (the only one I've set up) to each of the two capture cards? |
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| [21:15:45] | skd5aner: | kwtm: 1 video source |
| [21:16:36] | skd5aner: | kwtm: think of a video source as an overarching thing.... a set of channels that are tunable a certain way, regardless of the number of tuners. So long as those tuners/recorders basically all work the same way with the same sets of channels |
| [21:17:08] | kwtm: | skd5aner: Thanks. When I "watch TV", how does it know which tuner to use? I ask because only Tuner 0 and not Tuner 1 is connected (to the antenna). |
| [21:17:25] | skd5aner: | Well... that's different... |
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| [21:18:12] | kwtm: | Despite my signal booster, for some reason MythTV (which gets one of the two coax-splitter connections) still shows blocky jerky video, while the TV (which gets the other connection) shows smooth video. |
| [21:18:26] | skd5aner: | kwtm: assuming you want 1 tuner to do one thing, and another tuner to do another, then yes, you'd want a video source for each purpose... if you only want to use 1 of the 2, then only set up 1 input connection |
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| [21:19:47] | skd5aner: | So, if Tuner 0 is the only tuner you want, then set up 1 video source and 1 input connection (tuner 0 only) tied to that video source |
| [21:20:07] | kwtm: | skd5aner: I guess I could delete the other input connection... but for now, how does it choose which tuner to use? Or is it random? Is that why I'm getting crappy signals — it might be choosing the tuner that's not connected? (I guess signal is coming from spillover from the other connection) |
| [21:20:28] | skd5aner: | If you want Tuner 0 to do one thing (antenna) and tuner 1 to do another thing (cable qam), then set up 2 video sources and associate tuner 0 with the first video source, and tuner 1 with the second video source |
| [21:20:43] | skd5aner: | kwtm: which version? |
| [21:21:15] | kwtm: | Eventually I want to use 2 tuners (split signal both from antenna), but if I can't specify which tuner to pull from, then I better delete the other input source. Umm... version... hang on a sec — mine came with (K)Ubuntu 12.04 but I should check. |
| [21:21:38] | skd5aner: | kwtm: in 0.26+, there is a live tv order that it'll observe on initial tuning. However, if you change the channel, it may attempt to use the other tuner. You can also tell it to not use a particular tuner for live tv and/or recordings, I think by ptting a tuner order of 0 for that input |
| [21:22:12] | skd5aner: | mythfrontend --version |
| [21:22:25] | kwtm: | My long-term support Ubuntu version seems to be using 0.25, so I guess I should delete the other connection and try again. |
| [21:22:42] | skd5aner: | kwtm: are you using mythbuntu or standard vanilia ubuntu? |
| [21:23:40] | kwtm: | Well, Kubuntu, really, so I think it's same as "standard vanilla" as in *not* Mythbuntu. (Also had a lot of trouble with MySQL --had to remove KDE, install MythTV, and then reinstall KDE, due to the way KDE on Kubuntu sucks — but I think that's solved now.) |
| [21:23:56] | skd5aner: | hmmm... yea... |
| [21:24:25] | kwtm: | This might be solved if I remove the other input source, so I should go try that now before I consume more of your time. Thanks. (Will go to the next room where MythTV is. Brb.) |
| [21:24:28] | skd5aner: | you could always try to install the mythbuntu repository via kubuntu, but it'll likely change your window manager and stuff I'd imagine to lightdm |
| [21:24:35] | skd5aner: | https://sites.google.com/a/mythbuntu.org/website/ |
| [21:25:10] | skd5aner: | or, upgrade to the latest edition of kubuntu, 13.10, which should have released with 0.27 |
| [21:25:23] | skd5aner: | np, I got to go anyway – good luck |
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| [21:26:38] | kwtm: | skd5aner: Oh yeah... how do I delete an input connection? I can't seem to do it. |
| [21:27:16] | kwtm: | skd5aner: Do I have to delete the actual capture card? There doesn't seem to be a way to do that, either; I'd have to delete all of them. |
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| [21:36:39] | stuartm: | press D |
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| [21:43:36] | parann0yed: | dang...got distracted. sorry if someone was answering my question. |
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| [22:13:14] | DavidBrooke: | If I install ubuntu 12.04...would I be able to load mythtv ver .27 or would I need to load ver .25 and upgrade to .27? |
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| [22:20:49] | kwtm: | I think I've located the elusive problem. I think it's because my mythtv computer just has a really really weak and slow processor. |
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| [22:43:54] | wagnerrp: | what processor? |
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| [23:21:55] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: how does the export script determine which specific instance of a storage group to move the recordings in to? |
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| [23:46:41] | wagnerrp: | most free space |
| [23:47:33] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: nice feature, can you explicitely specify the SG? |
| [23:48:22] | wagnerrp: | the specific directory in the Videos storage group? no |
| [23:48:41] | wagnerrp: | technically, the script doesn't do any of that |
| [23:48:46] | wagnerrp: | it's built into the bindings |
| [23:48:55] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: FYI – I'm not sure mythtv will leverage commskip in the video library. The UI doesn't expose any way to either flag or enable/disable commskip |
| [23:48:58] | wagnerrp: | the script just tells the bindings "open this URI for writing" |
| [23:49:14] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: so, I'm not sure trying to copy those marks over would really matter? |
| [23:49:39] | wagnerrp: | i don't know. stichnot was the last person to fiddle with that stuff |
| [23:49:40] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yea, I noticed the script is very dependant on the bindings, kinda cool |
| [23:49:59] | skd5aner: | I'll bug him another day – it's low priority and I know he's got a lot on his plate |
| [23:50:37] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: for example, I have 3 drives/SGs that I have for videos... |
| [23:51:03] | skd5aner: | some of them have a Movies top level directory, and some have a TV Shows top level dir... |
| [23:51:42] | skd5aner: | however, when I ran the test today, it created a "TV Shows" directory on one of the drives that I didn't previously use to store any TV Shows |
| [23:52:09] | skd5aner: | so... I was wondering if I could force it to use a specific drive rather than any given drive in a storage group |
| [23:52:14] | wagnerrp: | the script does nothing. it just uses the Video.open(mode='w') method in the bindings |
| [23:52:36] | wagnerrp: | and the bindings blindly select where to write the file based off free space, creating directories as needed |
| [23:52:48] | wagnerrp: | there is no intelligence to look for a path where the directories are already created |
| [23:52:53] | wagnerrp: | (although that's not a bad idea) |
| [23:53:16] | skd5aner: | Well, I will admit that is a nice, default behavior – was just curious if there were any flags to override and explicitely define which one to use |
| [23:53:23] | skd5aner: | gotcha |
| [23:54:18] | skd5aner: | (and by that, I meant that it makes sense the way you wrote it – probably works just fine for the majority of folks) |
| [23:55:11] | wagnerrp: | well, it was supposed to emulate the behavior of the storage scheduler in the backend |
| [23:55:19] | wagnerrp: | except we don't have access to the recording loads |
| [23:55:24] | wagnerrp: | so all that's left is free space |
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| [23:58:38] | hollajandro: | I can't figure out why after undeleting recordings they still do not show up for playback on the front end |
| [23:58:41] | hollajandro: | any ideas? |
| [23:59:25] | wagnerrp: | i don't think ive ever undeleted a recording |
| [23:59:50] | hollajandro: | I hadn't either before I had to |
| [23:59:55] | stuartm: | hollajandro: no idea, they show up fine here |
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