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| [01:37:36] | plut0: | is there a reason why this is happening over and over in the logs? Waited 1.0 seconds for data to become available... 172684 < 851968. Taking too long to be allowed to read.. |
| [01:38:27] | [R]: | which log |
| [01:38:35] | plut0: | backend |
| [01:38:40] | [R]: | tuner problems |
| [01:38:41] | [R]: | disk problems |
| [01:38:58] | plut0: | [R]: its a hdhr prime, disk is ssd |
| [01:39:04] | [R]: | ok...? |
| [01:39:18] | plut0: | define problems? |
| [01:40:33] | [R]: | somethign wrong |
| [01:40:59] | plut0: | [R]: is there something logged else where that would describe the problem in more detail? |
| [01:41:16] | [R]: | you acn turn up the logging level of the backend |
| [01:42:19] | plut0: | [R]: ok i will try that |
| [01:43:10] | plut0: | [R]: which do you think will be useful? network,record ? |
| [01:43:23] | wagnerrp: | you're recording to an SSD? |
| [01:43:28] | plut0: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [01:43:41] | wagnerrp: | seems like it would be rather limited on storage |
| [01:43:54] | plut0: | wagnerrp: limited how? space wise? |
| [01:44:05] | plut0: | wagnerrp: its only for recording, it gets moved after wards |
| [01:50:52] | wagnerrp: | are the recording syou're trying to read back out also on the ssd? |
| [01:51:29] | plut0: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [01:52:24] | plut0: | wagnerrp: seems like the messages stop when i pause it |
| [02:02:05] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, i do the same thing, but my filesystem takes care of the actual details |
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| [03:07:48] | oobe: | ssds have limited writes too it would wear out the disk I used to think that were ever lasting (no moving parts) but I found out otherwise by reading up on it. |
| [03:08:11] | wagnerrp: | they're functionally everlasting |
| [03:08:22] | oobe: | yea that is true |
| [03:09:46] | oobe: | but I found out that if you delete and write over the same flash it has a limited number of writes before it dies and once it dies you loose the whole disk contents where as with a normal/common hard drive failure you end up with only a few files messed up if you catch it with smart tools early |
| [03:10:03] | wagnerrp: | but you don't delete and write over the same flash cell |
| [03:10:13] | wagnerrp: | load balancing algorithms in the firmware of the disk prevent that |
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| [03:11:07] | oobe: | wouldnt he be thrashing it though cause he wouldnt have that much space to write to ssds and be reusing it over and over as myth expires recordings and records new shows |
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| [03:12:35] | wagnerrp: | assuming he's recording at four hours per day on four channels, at 2MB/s, that's 115GB/day |
| [03:13:08] | wagnerrp: | a 256GB SSD with a 5000 cycle life would have around 1.3PB of write life |
| [03:13:29] | wagnerrp: | that's 30 years before he burns through it |
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| [03:16:22] | oobe: | ah thats good to know I read somewhere about it and thought it wasnt as safe as I first imagined |
| [03:17:22] | wagnerrp: | if you're only using a tiny 20GB SSD, the lifetime is proportionally smaller |
| [03:19:39] | oobe: | yea that would make sense |
| [03:19:46] | oobe: | I have a 60GB and a 120GB |
| [03:20:14] | oobe: | I use th 60GB for / |
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| [03:32:49] | wagnerrp: | i have 34GB + 320GB for / |
| [03:33:14] | oobe: | I never ever had such a large / partition before |
| [03:33:28] | [R]: | that's what she said |
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| [03:33:59] | wagnerrp: | technically, it's only 87GB, with 1.5GB used |
| [03:34:08] | oobe: | lol |
| [03:34:31] | oobe: | I only made it that big cause I cant imagine what I would use the other partition/s for if I partioned it |
| [03:35:00] | oobe: | like my /home partition is much larger that 40GB well not that much but it would be tight |
| [03:35:12] | oobe: | most of the stuff in /home is garbage anyway |
| [03:35:17] | wagnerrp: | my partitions are dynamically allocated, so it's 320GB for the storage pool that / and a few dozen other partitions exist in |
| [03:35:32] | wagnerrp: | plus 32GB of read cache, and 2GB of write cache |
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| [03:36:08] | oobe: | I never heard of read cache is that a partition for caching? |
| [03:36:58] | wagnerrp: | it's like windows "readyboost", but not on windows |
| [03:37:28] | parann0yed: | wagnerrp. I'm back. I tested connections with iperf and computers on one switch got 90mbps/second |
| [03:37:29] | oobe: | ah ok I dont know about readyboost either |
| [03:37:49] | parann0yed: | so I guess if I plug my hdhomerun in to this switch I'm good |
| [03:37:50] | oobe: | I dont know much about lvm or dynamic allocation either |
| [03:37:52] | wagnerrp: | monitors what files get used most often, and stores those on a flash drive |
| [03:37:59] | wagnerrp: | this isn't lvm |
| [03:38:05] | wagnerrp: | parann0yed: mbps or MBps? |
| [03:38:29] | wagnerrp: | oh, right... powerline |
| [03:38:34] | parann0yed: | oh, it reads Mbits/sec |
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| [03:40:21] | parann0yed: | hopefully...it would be nice to watch on another computer on a different floor but I can live with it if I can just record reliably with the homerun |
| [03:41:01] | wagnerrp: | do you just have the one machine on powerline? |
| [03:42:55] | parann0yed: | pretty much. here's how I have it...i have a 3 story townhome. for that reason I have my cable modem on the middle floor. then a powerline adapter on the middle floor. |
| [03:43:17] | parann0yed: | and a powerline 4 port switch in the basement |
| [03:43:31] | wagnerrp: | so you have several machines running off it |
| [03:43:48] | parann0yed: | off the main router? |
| [03:43:50] | wagnerrp: | powerline is a broadcast network |
| [03:44:11] | wagnerrp: | it's half duplex, and all traffic in all directions shares the same limited bandwidth |
| [03:44:29] | wagnerrp: | 90Mbps would be the total throughput available to all machines communicating across it |
| [03:44:35] | parann0yed: | the router has 4 ports and one goes to a machine on that floor, another goes downstairs |
| [03:45:14] | wagnerrp: | you said you had a 4-port switch in the basement connected over powerline |
| [03:45:27] | wagnerrp: | presumably there are several devices on that switch |
| [03:46:03] | parann0yed: | the only device that needed to be plugged in to the powerline switch is the mythbox |
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| [03:46:16] | parann0yed: | the other two are unnecessary |
| [03:46:40] | parann0yed: | so I thought I'd try plugging the homerun in to that switch and see what I got |
| [03:46:52] | parann0yed: | but if it doesn't work, what is the usb port for? |
| [03:47:29] | wagnerrp: | it's a host port to connect a tuning adapter into |
| [03:47:48] | wagnerrp: | tuning adapters are used in switched video, to tell the headend that the tuner wants access to a certain channel |
| [03:48:05] | wagnerrp: | the headend then allocates bandwidth for that channel, and tells the tuner, through the tuning adapter, where to access it |
| [03:48:10] | DarkOne: | Hi, I just setup a ceton inifinitv 4 pcie card with schedules direct and everything works except the program guide it says no channels |
| [03:48:27] | DarkOne: | i think the problem is that the dtv_multiplex table is empty |
| [03:48:29] | wagnerrp: | DarkOne: did you download a lineup from SD? |
| [03:48:35] | DarkOne: | yes |
| [03:48:57] | wagnerrp: | using a cablecard tuner, tuning is performed internally to the infinitv, so mythtv does not need the information contained in dtv_multiplex |
| [03:49:42] | DarkOne: | ok but i have read everything i can find and tried everything but i can't get the program guide working |
| [03:49:52] | parann0yed: | if i have to I'll figure out a way to get a network cable down to my basement. it looks like a straight shot down almost...but that's drastic measures |
| [03:50:01] | wagnerrp: | what version are you running? |
| [03:50:10] | DarkOne: | 0.26 |
| [03:50:15] | wagnerrp: | what specific version? |
| [03:50:22] | DarkOne: | on sec |
| [03:50:27] | wagnerrp: | older versions of 0.26 had issues where they would timeout when trying to download a lineup |
| [03:50:40] | wagnerrp: | later versions resolved this by extending the timeout |
| [03:52:36] | DarkOne: | mythtv version 0.26.1 |
| [03:52:57] | DarkOne: | library api: 0.26.20130225–1 |
| [03:53:37] | wagnerrp: | the fix was put in around the beginning of the year, so it should have it |
| [03:53:56] | wagnerrp: | still, if you had no channels, that means something failed when you tried to download a lineup |
| [03:54:05] | DarkOne: | ok i will try newer version, is there a precompiled one for debian or will i have to compile it |
| [03:54:30] | DarkOne: | i just installed from deb multimedia |
| [03:54:44] | wagnerrp: | your version is feb 25th of this year, more recent than the beginning of the year |
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| [03:55:26] | DarkOne: | ok, i use the fetch channel listing function should i be using channel scan instead |
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| [03:56:23] | DarkOne: | but channel scan doesn't seem to work it says card busy or couldn't acces card or something along those lines |
| [03:56:24] | wagnerrp: | no, you cannot scan for channels on cablecard tuners |
| [03:58:00] | DarkOne: | i have spent alot of time getting this all setup on my old quad powermac g5 and everything is working except for the program guide, which is kind of import |
| [03:58:03] | DarkOne: | *important |
| [03:58:33] | wagnerrp: | i didn't know they ever made a quad-socket mac |
| [03:59:00] | DarkOne: | it was the last G5 powermac tower every made it has two dual core cpues |
| [03:59:05] | DarkOne: | *cpus |
| [03:59:17] | wagnerrp: | oh, dual core dual socket, not quad |
| [03:59:24] | DarkOne: | yep |
| [03:59:42] | DarkOne: | but is comonly refered to as a quad machine |
| [04:01:03] | wagnerrp: | at some point, it will be worth it to replace with modern hardware, just for the electrical savings |
| [04:01:15] | DarkOne: | you said it doesn't need the info in the dtv_multiplex but does that mean there still needs to be information in the dtv_multiplex table |
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| [04:01:35] | wagnerrp: | mythtv treats cablecard tuners like analog tuners |
| [04:01:58] | wagnerrp: | all it has is a single channel number, which it feeds to the device, and the device handles all subsequent tuning decisions |
| [04:02:09] | DarkOne: | yea i know that but i am testing to see if 2 ceton cards + mythtv will be able to replace 3 2xtuner tivo in the long run |
| [04:02:37] | wagnerrp: | so there is no information mythtv could store in the dtv_multiplex table |
| [04:02:57] | wagnerrp: | that table is only for digital tuners, when mythtv is performing the tuning internally |
| [04:03:14] | wagnerrp: | and requires a scan be performed to populate it |
| [04:06:10] | DarkOne: | i have tried removing tuners and video source then readded and then run mythfilldatabase but i can't seem to get program guide to show up, even though i can tune to all the channels and it shows the program info for tuned channel |
| [04:06:33] | DarkOne: | it is driving me crazy |
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| [04:10:30] | wagnerrp: | program info? separate from program guide? |
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| [04:12:02] | DarkOne: | when u tune a channel it tells to the show name that part works but when i try to open the program guide, the grid showing channel and times it tells You don't have any channels defined in the database. |
| [04:12:34] | wagnerrp: | you can't tune a channel without it being defined in the database |
| [04:12:39] | DarkOne: | from the error log: mythfrontend[5140]: W CoreContext guidegrid.cpp:192 (RunProgramGuide) GuideGrid: You don't have any channels defined in the database. The program guide will have nothing to show you. |
| [04:13:21] | DarkOne: | but i have been tuning channels no problem |
| [04:13:32] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv? |
| [04:13:38] | DarkOne: | yes in mythtv |
| [04:13:54] | wagnerrp: | is this frontend and backend on the same machine? |
| [04:14:15] | DarkOne: | i go to watch live live and i can tune any channel on any of the 4 tuners and the frontend and backend our on the same machine |
| [04:14:42] | DarkOne: | *live tv |
| [04:15:07] | wagnerrp: | the only possible cause for this behavior is the frontend and backend trying to pull from two different databases, and there being issues with different data coming from the backend and from the database |
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| [04:15:28] | wagnerrp: | if you have no channels in the guide, you should similarly have no channels accessible through livetv |
| [04:18:19] | DarkOne: | i understand that it shouldn't be possible but it clearly is since i am able to do as such |
| [04:19:29] | DarkOne: | i was hoping to avoid this but i am downloading the front end source to take a quick look |
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| [18:35:42] | buu: | Hey, can anyone give me a quick pointer as to whats the simplest and easiest way to get a remote working with mythfrontend/xmbc? The wiki instructions seem a tad.. complex |
| [18:42:48] | eee-blt: | buu: This worked out of the box |
| [18:42:51] | eee-blt: | http://www.amazon.com/SANOXY%C2%AE-Windows-In . . . s+mce+remote |
| [18:43:13] | eee-blt: | it is a usb remote that is seen as a keyboard |
| [18:44:05] | eee-blt: | I have a 2nd lirc remote that is a 9/10 except the range is < 6ft |
| [18:44:28] | eee-blt: | This usb remote is a 6/10 for flexibility, but 10/10 for range |
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| [18:53:05] | buu: | eee-blt: Ok.. |
| [18:53:28] | buu: | eee-blt: Thanks. Generally speaking am I going to be to be looking for a product that advertises itself as windows mce receiver? |
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| [22:47:35] | wagnerrp: | bugger |
| [22:47:49] | wagnerrp: | almost human got bumped back to nov 17th |
| [22:48:04] | wagnerrp: | just in time for me to be out of town |
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