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Oleg_:

I don't understand why there is an option to turn the auto-expire feature on if it's always on anyway

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Oleg_:

or is it not?

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Oleg_:

this feature deletes live tv recordings, right?

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skd5aner:

Oleg_: deletes any recording (or live tv) that is set to allow autoexpire to free up disk space on the recording storage group

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Oleg_:

no, I don't wanna delete the recordings that are in my media library

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skd5aner:

then, you can disable auto-expire on them

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Oleg_:

but every live recording that doesn't end up in the media library will always auto-expire, right?

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Oleg_:

I am confused

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skd5aner:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . utoExpire.29 – make sre the autoexpire is unchecked as a default on all new recoridng rules, and then go back and mnaully updated any existing rules hsould they have had autoexpire defaulted to on

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skd5aner:

Live TV recordings will autoexpire, correct...

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skd5aner:

Autoexpire is, generally, on by default for all recordings AND live tv...

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skd5aner:

autoexpire is set on a rule-by-rule basis for recordings, and if the default is checked on, all *new* recording rules will use that default...

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skd5aner:

you can disable auto-expire on the rule for a recording...

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Oleg_:

ok

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skd5aner:

you can also disable (or enable) it on a recoridng itself

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skd5aner:

LiveTV defaults to auto-expire after 1 day

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skd5aner:

you can change that, for example – I set LiveTV to expire after 3 days

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skd5aner:

anything you delete, now, also goes in to the deleted recording group, which autoexpires too

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Oleg_:

ok

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nvzn:

are proprietary codecs available for dts-hd ma / dolby-truehd for linux decoding to linear pcm?

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nvzn:

surely ...

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nvzn:

?

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nvzn:

but for consumers?

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nvzn:

or lay-people

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nvzn:

open source would be better, assuming they are well done of course

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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nvzn:

but i guess studios and such have these

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nvzn:

jya:?

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nvzn:

anyway i can try to search, but i assume i wouldn't be able to afford such a codec

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nvzn:

but maybe i am wrong

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not use external codecs anyway

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nvzn:

well the engines do somewhere

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wagnerrp:

so unless you want to spend the untold hours trying to splice it into the source, don't even worry about it

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nvzn:

ffmpeg?

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nvzn:

mencoder?

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nvzn:

xine?

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wagnerrp:

ffmpeg, built into mythtv

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wagnerrp:

we don't pull libraries from the system, we package our own

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haux:

hi every one here

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haux:

I am testing lossless_Cut with mythtv v0.27

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haux:

I get this error

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haux:

d@mythtv ~ $ keyframe_adjust -f /var/lib/mythtv/2205_20131017193000.mpg -g

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haux:

This MythTV recording has no recordedseek table first keyframe record.

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haux:

It is likely that the recordedseek table records for this recording is

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haux:

invalid, aborting script.

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haux:

no idea how I can fix this any suggestion ? thanks !

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haux:

with test it works

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haux:

python /usr/share/lossless_cut/lossless_cut.py -f "/var/lib/mythtv/2205_20131017193000.mpg" --test

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haux:

python /usr/share/lossless_cut/lossless_cut.py -f "/var/lib/mythtv/2205_20131017193000.mpg" --test

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haux:

Congratulations! All script dependencies have been satisfied.

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haux:

You are ready to perform loss less cuts on MythTV recorded videos.

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wagnerrp:

if it's just an mpeg, why not use the built in transcoder?

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haux:

it is a 1080i video mythtranscode (what I undestood) doesn't cut commercials for this format

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wagnerrp:

sure, it should handle any mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

it cannot handle mpeg4

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haux:

so I am looking for an alternative. What I've found so far is lossless_cut script

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haux:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Lossless_Cut

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wagnerrp:

have you even tried the built in transcoder?

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haux:

I have hdpvr 1212 mythtv record the video in 1080i what can I do :- )

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wagnerrp:

ah, the HDPVR produces mpeg4

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haux:

no never have this chance

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wagnerrp:

so no go with the internal

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haux:

yea ! for 200$ I am not ready to buy another one :-)

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haux:

sorry wagnerrp, you mean what by "go with the internal" ?

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wagnerrp:

the internal transcoder has lossless capability for mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

the only reason to use an alternative is because the internal one will not work for your needs

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wagnerrp:

mpeg2, it would... but you're using an hdpvr which outputs mpeg4

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haux:

but I am not sure that Mythtv can recoed to mpeg2 directlly from hdpvr 1212 !!!????

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haux:

thanks wagnerrp. So if I understand there is no way to remove commercials with Mythtv if the video is in mpeg4 ? the only way is to use a pvr that output in mpeg2 format ?

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wagnerrp:

with mpeg4, mythtv can mark them, and skip them internally

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wagnerrp:

but it has no way to permanently remove those from the file

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nvzn:

do you tin your speaker wires?

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nvzn:

http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/index.php?/to . . . peaker-wire/

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nvzn:

datafone's answer is the best

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haux:

wagnerrp : thanks again, I am new to mythtv so sorry for the stupid questions :-) . Is there a pvr that can send the video to mythtv in mpeg2 format and is not too expensive ?

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wagnerrp:

anything that outputs MPEG2 is going to be standard definition

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wagnerrp:

if you want high definition, the only option is the HDPVR, and that only does MPEG4

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wagnerrp:

the only value to "tinning" is to make it easier to put into the terminal

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nvzn:

i see

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nvzn:

do you deoxit?

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wagnerrp:

no

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nvzn:

poor soul

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nvzn:

never have, never will again

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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nvzn:

just playing, but that deoxit gold stuff is expeez

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nvzn:

http://xbmc.org/xbmc-audio-goes-hd/

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wagnerrp:

for what it's worth, there's no value in "HD audio"

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nvzn:

yeah i guess

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wagnerrp:

your ears aren't good enough to hear it

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nvzn:

mine, certainly not

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wagnerrp:

no ones

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wagnerrp:

human ears aren't good enough to hear it

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nvzn:

i hear ya

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wagnerrp:

the only value in HD audio is a high quality master for further editing

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nvzn:

well, and the ability to tell an analog junky that digital is better

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nvzn:

but in the end, its all about the dac

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nvzn:

its an analog world

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nvzn:

its a circular arguement

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nvzn:

the value is in the money you save from not needing a receiver... i like the idea of some powered speakers connected directly to the sound card's dac

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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nvzn:

well, assuming there is *some* quality gains in hd audio

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wagnerrp:

the only realistic gain is additional channels

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nvzn:

no, its the lossless stream

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nvzn:

more data

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nvzn:

uncompressed

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wagnerrp:

it's compressed, but lossless and "HD" are two different things

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nvzn:

ok, i mean lossless

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wagnerrp:

"HD audio" refers to the sampling frequency and bits

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nvzn:

ok, its a standard?

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wagnerrp:

kind of

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nvzn:

a certification?

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wagnerrp:

in so far as HD video is a certification (it's not, at all)

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nvzn:

well anyway, its the highest quality being output from the studio, so I guess in that sense, its lossless

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nvzn:

?

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wagnerrp:

again, lossy compression and being "HD" are independent

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nvzn:

ok whatever

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nvzn:

thanks

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nvzn:

for the clarificaiton

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nvzn:

but still, its besides the point

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nvzn:

i was trying to say that receivers are unnecessary on an htpc setup

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nvzn:

and you were of course mentioning how we couldn't realistically hear the difference

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wagnerrp:

and unless you're going for the additional audio channels, software can decode the core DTA track inside DTS-MA

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nvzn:

which additional channels are they?

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wagnerrp:

i think you get an extra front center channels, and two side channels

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nvzn:

7.1?

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wagnerrp:

7 or 8, i don't recall

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nvzn:

theres more to it though

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nvzn:

iirc

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nvzn:

but i'm not sure

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wagnerrp:

higher frequency and 24-bit

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nvzn:

ie., lossless?

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wagnerrp:

but 16-bit and 48kHz are more than enough

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nvzn:

says you

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wagnerrp:

says physics

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nvzn:

but there are some with superhuman abilities

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wagnerrp:

and math

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wagnerrp:

and studies that have yet to find such a person with superhuman hearing

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nvzn:

my cat

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wagnerrp:

your cat is a person?

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nvzn:

ask them

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nvzn:

cats actually

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nvzn:

but i fact they may individually identify in the plural too

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wagnerrp:

i don't think they'll respond in a discernible fashion

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nvzn:

i just want to please them

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nvzn:

and not displease them of course

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nvzn:

so if i can have more frequencies

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nvzn:

i will

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nvzn:

(try)

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nvzn:

besides, we don't only hear with our ears

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wagnerrp:

we do for high frequencies

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nvzn:

so you say

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** nvzn sleeps **

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nvzn:

good night

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** wagnerrp goes back to Fallout **

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jya:

nvzn: yes? I'm not aware of any decoder ' commercial or otherwise on PC/linux for dts-hd.. for TrueHD; ffmpeg can do it already. For DTS-HD MA; why bother when there's always a DTS core stream into it? would be suitable for most purpose... et if they do want the data; probably easier to license the original track directly from the copyright older

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jya:

wagnerrp: I think that's a very board, misinformed statement...

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jya:

broad

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jya:

it's also perfectly for possible for myth to use external codec.. albeit very rare these days. there are still some format (in particular the real audio file) that require external plugin ripped from windows.. only works in 32 bits mode

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BillK:

had to restore from an older mysql backups which does not have some newer recordgs in it – can they be added? – google is not helping :(

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mengoshmink:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/478433 < does that help BillK ?

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BillK:

mengoshmink: Thanks, yes, I'll go the video route.

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mengoshmink:

I must admit I didn't read it all but it sounds like it may help

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mengoshmink:

good luck

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haux:

What the best pvr for mythtv ? I used hdpvr but it's mpeg4 output I am looking for one that has mpeg2 as output. Thanks

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jya:

can you set a backend and ACPI and whatever to wake up from sleep when someone wants to watch live TV ?

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jya:

wagnerrp: what do you think of WD Red drive as opposed to cheaper hard drive of the same capacity ? (Like the Seagate Desktop @ 5900rpm).. This is to use in a RAID environment (RAIDZ2)

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bas-t:

Is it possible to disable the movie DB lookup entirely in 0.27, and if so, how do I do that?

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Qwazz:

Hi All, I have a problem my installation: 1) Backend-setup; On entry says "backend still running, want to close it?" I answer "yes". In backend cards are setup one tuner, 1 network recorder. On exit it says "card 1 set to channel that doesn't exit do you want to change it?" I reply no. 2) In frontend streaming channel icons show but no stream. JW Player installed. Please could you help me. for logs/machine details please let me k

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Qwazz:

now which to get and how (command), where to place (url) and how to share. Thank you.

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bas-t:

Qwazz: don't reply no, try setting card 1 to a channel that actually exists

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jm|laptop:

kormoc: ping

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Qwazz:

bas-t: I have. Still no joy. For the network recorder a channel is instested.

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Qwazz:

On play Tv, channels are there but no stream. jw player has been installed. An issue perhspa mybe coming fomr the mythbackend still running on entering backend-setup?

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Qwazz:

oh, it says has not got a lock

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wagnerrp:

jya: their only value is if you're actually in a hardware RAID environment, and the addition of TLER behavior to the firmware allows the drives to not be dropped as failed

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wagnerrp:

other than that, they give you a longer warranty

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wagnerrp:

but the hardware itself is the same

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wagnerrp:

Qwazz: the jwplayer is only for streaming content from the backend through a web browser

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wagnerrp:

the frontend does not use it

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Qwazz:

wagnerrp; Thank you. So what could I be missing on the frontend? to get a signal lock and view the streaming channels? Could the fact that mythbackend is says still running when going into backend setup have something to do with it?

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wagnerrp:

i've never used the network recorder, so i have no experience with it

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Qwazz:

wagnerrp: By network recorder I mean in backend setup under cards, I selected network recorder, did a source (http://avenard.org/...playlist-hls.m3u), connected, channel editor showed channels, in frontend no signal lock. So really trying to get the live tv to play online (http) streams, hence I thought perhaps JW Player was the player to be used?

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wagnerrp:

right. i've never used it. jw player is only used to play the streams (in a browser), not to capture them

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Qwazz:

if this were not a streaming setup by via antenna or rca, and there channels but no pic or sound on frontend what would be the problem, backend? frontend? card? where do I start looking?

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wagnerrp:

typically, backend logs

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Qwazz:

wagnerrp: have just taken a look at logs backend and frontend using nano, don't see much interms of where the problem might lie or what am I look for exactly – is there way to cat or tail the logs so as to get the last few entries?

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Qwazz:

So I can read something like "switch to livetv, opening network recorder at... – then success or failure – if fail to get a message as to why missing this or that or reconfigure, well anything really just to be moving foward/

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Qwazz:

Okay, will keep reading and return. Thank you.

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louisdk:

I can only access mythweb on my backend of I put 127.0.0.1 in my.cnf. If I put 192.168.1.132 (external accessible IP) I can't access Mythweb and get this error: !!NoTrans: Can't connect to MySQL server on '127.0.0.1' (111) [#2003].

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louisdk:

*if I put

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louisdk:

OS: Debian testing w/ Mythtv 0.27-fixes from Deb multimedia

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sid4windr:

try 0.0.0.0

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louisdk:

sid4windr: Thanks it works

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louisdk:

Putting 0.0.0.0 fixed the frontend/backend connection issues I've had. Nice.

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louisdk:

*in my.cnf

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haux:

is here some one having Hauppauge hvr1600 ? I want to buy one is the installation and use with mythtv straightforward ? Thanks.

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sphery:

haux: the digital side of it is very straightforward, but a lot of people have troubles with the analog side of it (and other ivtv-compatible cards)

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sphery:

but if you're just using it for digital ATSC (over-the-air in North America) or unencrypted QAM (which is about to disappear, completely, in the US), it should be simple

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sphery:

but if you do have cable, note that it will almost definitely be useless "soon" (any time from already to a few months from now)

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sphery:

and the analog side of it wouldn't be too useful even then with a digital adapter because it would only accept and record standard-def (and would look terrible compared to digital TV)

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wagnerrp:

such a downer, sphery...

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wagnerrp:

:P

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sphery:

hehe

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sphery:

trying to make sure I don't oversell it

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sphery:

but it's wonderful for OTA ATSC!

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RagingMind:

is it's reception any better than the 2250?

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sphery:

probably similar--at least from the standpoint that if you're seeing problems with one, you'd see problems with any other (most likely you need to fix something else rather than just get a marginally better tuner component--like aligning antenna or using a distribution amplifier or terminating unused splits or ...)

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TheAsp:

Hi, I'm having an issue with 0.27. Both xv and VDPAU are giving me a blank screen on playback. The recordings play fine in mplayer using either method. Any ideas?

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Hydroponx:

what do the frontend logs say ?

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