Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, October 7th, 2013, 00:00 UTC

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Darkchaos:

hmm, must be the network getting slower I believe. having 500KB/s Transfer cannot keeep up the needed 1MB/s

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Darkchaos:

that explains the laggy feeling, having only 50%

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wagnerrp:

when you ping, how much loss are you getting?

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wagnerrp:

or is it zero loss, but high latency, as the physical layer transparently retransmits?

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Darkchaos:

loss would be "Cannot reach host"?

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Darkchaos:

if so, I am having no loss

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wagnerrp:

i would get something like iperf, and see just how much throughput you actually have

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Darkchaos:

ok

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Darkchaos:

do i need two iperf units?

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wagnerrp:

one on each end, yes

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Darkchaos:

hmm

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Darkchaos:

difficult on windows :/

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to find a copy for osx

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Darkchaos:

but then I have the wifi lag again

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wagnerrp:

http://iperf.fr/

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Darkchaos:

but that'll be a smaller problem

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wagnerrp:

windows binaries

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Darkchaos:

now which one should be the server? The one receiving?

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wagnerrp:

doesn't much matter

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wagnerrp:

it should be symmetric

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Darkchaos:

Get around 4MBits/sec

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Darkchaos:

however having a really small window size of 23.5kByte

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wagnerrp:

mythtv dynamically scales, but usually ends up around 100kB or so

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Darkchaos:

oh ok, and according to the formula of iperf, I should have 50kB

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Darkchaos:

(because of the "fast" ping)

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Darkchaos:

That'll be it

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Darkchaos:

4Mbits for a 6Mbit recording

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Darkchaos:

and maybe I did not notice because of having worse quality on other recordings

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Darkchaos:

and you consider wifi faster?

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Darkchaos:

however I only have a "h"-device

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wagnerrp:

faster than 4Mbps, typically

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wagnerrp:

but also typically not fast enough

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wagnerrp:

especially if it's only G

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Darkchaos:

not fast enough for HD?

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wagnerrp:

and regardless of speed, you're still going to have intermittent dropouts

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Darkchaos:

btw it's not usual that mythtv stops the recording too early? (shouldn't be there start/stop signals?)

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wagnerrp:

it will stop when you schedule it to stop

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wagnerrp:

start/stop signals?

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Darkchaos:

Something like TP on the Radio, you know?

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wagnerrp:

well there is EIT data, but that typically cannot be relied upon for accurate scheduling

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wagnerrp:

better to just add a few minutes of padding on either end, and make sure your clock is correct

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Darkchaos:

hmm I have 30mins of a live show in the beginning, that might be the problem

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wagnerrp:

usually, if you're trying to record something after a sporting event, add lots of padding to the recording rule

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Darkchaos:

it seems that my hwclock is 1m off

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wagnerrp:

users typically configure NTP to maintain their clocks

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manofthesea:

Hey guys. I'm having trouble with RTP on 0.27, on a Debian wheezy machine. I have a 4-tuner Ceton PCIe card. I can tune it with the web page and see the stream, but MythTV can't give me live TV. The errors show that it never receives a non-zero, after trying to tune. Could anyone suggest a debugging step?

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Darkchaos:

yes that's what I'll do

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lwizardl:

with the ceton cablecard tuner is the only thing that doesn't work the ondemand stuff or will it also have problems with channels like hbo ?

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wagnerrp:

if channels like HBO are copy protected (and they typically are on comcast), you will be unable to record them

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lwizardl:

and how do I find out what my local comcast has set for the copy settings

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wagnerrp:

cablecard tuners allow us to access encrypted channels

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wagnerrp:

but for anything copy protected, you need to go analog with an HDPVR

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lwizardl:

I have a hdpvr 1212 already.

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lwizardl:

and was looking at adding a ceton to my system so I would basically have 5 recording devices

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manofthesea:

lwizardl: mostly, by getting the cablecard device and seeing what you see.

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manofthesea:

Though, you could watch the copy protected with Windows Media Center.

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lwizardl:

manofthesea, pass on the windows idea :)

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manofthesea:

well, right

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manofthesea:

I'm having my own trouble with a ceton PCIe card, right now

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lwizardl:

whats that

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manofthesea:

lwizardl: Problem with RTP in 0.27 on Debian Wheezy. I can't get MythTV to tune a channel. The Ceton works fine.

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Blue1:

what is ceton?

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Blue1:

I am running debian wheezy as well

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wagnerrp:

ceton is a company

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wagnerrp:

ok then...

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manofthesea:

hi wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

hello

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manofthesea:

wagnerrp: does my RTP problem sound like a bug I should report? I want to believe it should just work, but I keep reading over the documentation and can't find anything out.

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wagnerrp:

i know nothing about the operation of the infinitv tuner

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manofthesea:

My understanding is that it should act like any of the ethernet or external tuners.

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manofthesea:

Do those use RTP?

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wagnerrp:

the hdhomerun is UDP

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manofthesea:

Raw UDP? or RTP over UDP?

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lucas^:

so I noticed that there's no official Android / iOS app for the HDHR Prime yet

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wagnerrp:

UDP instead of RTP

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manofthesea:

UDP is a lower layer than RTP. Hmm, I'mma try 0.26

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wagnerrp:

i thought RTP was a transport layer

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manofthesea:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_Transport_Protocol

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clever:

rtp runs over udp, and sometimes multicast udp

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clever:

my tv service is mpegts packets inside rtp packets, inside udp packets, sent thru a multicast group

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manofthesea:

are you on free.fr?

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wagnerrp:

about 5000 miles too far for that

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manofthesea:

I meant clever

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wagnerrp:

right. he's somewhere in canada

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clever:

thats the setup my isp is providing

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manofthesea:

oh. okay then.

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manofthesea:

I'm on FiOS in the States.

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clever:

i documented what ive figured out on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/fibreop

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clever:

i can capture any channel i want, but i cant decrypt it

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sabhain:

any experts on tweaking the guide settings (v. 0.27) here?

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monkeypet69:

Why the haywire is my playback too fast on one of my frontends?

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Darkchaos:

wagnerrp, I just deleted my video source (and added EPG-only, as the "Egon zappt" always returned errorcode 2 on mythfilldatabase)

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Darkchaos:

Problem is: using mythtv.setup I cannot scan for channels

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Darkchaos:

and ofc mythbackend complains: Cannot find start-channel "Please do a channel search"

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Darkchaos:

btw anyone may help, not just wagnerrp :)

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Darkchaos:

oh and whilst running mythbackend I'm not capable of running mythtv-setup or anything else ("Speicherzugriffsfehler", memory access fault? Segmentation fault?)

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Darkchaos:

my fault, got it working (had tuned selected whilst searching)

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wagnerrp:

if you're getting segfaults, find the core dump and submit a backtrace

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Darkchaos:

may I convert a livetv to be permanent?

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Merlin83b:

If it's still recording, just press R. If it's finished, move it into the default storage group.

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dmfrey:

Captain_Murdoch, how's it going? Question on the services api...Will the MBE act as a broker and forward requests onto any SBE?

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EvilGuru:

Can anyone suggest a dual DVB-S/S2 PCIe 1x tuner?

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Merlin83b:

EvilGuru: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S2_PCIe_Cards

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EvilGuru:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVBSKY_S952 is the cheapest

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EvilGuru:

although it looks like a serious amount of meddling is require to get it working w/12.04

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Merlin83b:

Maybe cheapest isn't best, then ;)

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EvilGuru:

Merlin83b: I am inclined to agree

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Captain_Murdoch:

dmfrey, no, there is no forwarding like that.

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dmfrey:

so, for instance, a recording on a SBE needs to be deleted, we need to send that call directly to the SBE instead of the MBE?

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EvilGuru:

I blame my Nova-S2 for dying so callously on me without giving 28 days notice of its intentions

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Merlin83b:

Hope mine doesn't go the same way! 1 HVR4000 and one Nova-S2 running in my backend.

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EvilGuru:

Very nice card, considering it worked basically out of the box, but I really do not want to spend £80 on another

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EvilGuru:

Especially when it is only PCI and a single tuner

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Merlin83b:

I got mine off eBay for a lot less than that :)

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Merlin83b:

But also, my BE hardwarde is sufficiently old not to have PCIe.

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Merlin83b:

Well, except for the slot taken by the GeForce.

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EvilGuru:

Mine has a hybrid of PCI and PCIe; but going forward it makes sense to go w/PCIe

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Merlin83b:

Yeah I think if I had slots I'd have done the same.

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EvilGuru:

I have a boxed PCTV 290e which I've never opened, so may try using that for my HD fix

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Merlin83b:

I need to get an aerial guy to put an antenna up and run some DVB-T stuff around the house (well, in through the wall into a couple of rooms.

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Merlin83b:

)

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EvilGuru:

I don't know if there is a quality difference between FTA HD on DVB-S2 and HD on DVB-T2

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Merlin83b:

I gather S2 is better (at least here in the UK) but I haven't really looked into it as I don't currently have a choice.

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EvilGuru:

Certainly less breakup, here in the stix we have poor reception for DVB-T

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Merlin83b:

I'm not far from Winter Hill and the reception would be fine, but in a bit of a dip, so all the aerials are on giant sticks.

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Merlin83b:

Moved in earlier this year and no aerial but the previous residents had Sky so I just pick up Freesat instead.

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EvilGuru:

Back when I moved out of London my plan for DVB-T2 collapsed and so ended up going with Freesat for HD

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Darkchaos:

FileRingBuf(/home/tv/Videos/tv-rip/1090_20131007142347.mpg): OpenFile(): File too small (0B).

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Darkchaos:

cannot watch live-tv

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Darkchaos:

I have no clue why 0B, I am using the correct user, having all rights

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biffhero:

argh. Three steps forward, one step back. I think I will call this a forward motion, but...

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biffhero:

I realized last week that Comcast was encrypting basic cable, so my HDHR (yay SiliconDust!) wouldn't work for local channels. I moved the HDHR to a discone that I have on the roof, and was able to get a lot of channels.

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biffhero:

I deleted all of my tuners and stuff in Myth, and when I added them all, the Digital OTA is good, but now my Hauppage 250 card is not picking up anything from my Set Top Box.

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biffhero:

I just did a manual recording with the PVR-250 set to channel 4, and got 1.1KB.

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johanbr:

Hello. I had a problem where, for a few channels, the EPG data from Schedules Direct would be empty before October 18. I wiped all config files and databases and reinstalled, and now I have this exact problem on *all* channels.

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johanbr:

Log from mythfilldatabase run: http://nullinfinity.org/mfd.log ... there's one suspicious-looking line: Grab complete. Actual data from 2013-10–18T00:00:

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johanbr:

00Z to 2013-10–19T00:00:00Z (UTC)

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johanbr:

if anyone has an idea what the problem could be, it'd be much appreciated

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johanbr:

as an added data point, doing "tv_grab_na_dd --output tv.xml" gets me a file that contains plenty of data before Oct 18, so the problem seems to be with Myth rather than Schedules Direct

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shodan45:

I'm using mythtv with my old "768p" tv with VGA, and have a custom xorg.conf to get 1366x768 res. Only problem is that mythtv gets the aspect ratio wrong.

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shodan45:

I constantly have to tell it to use 4:3 (which is wrong...) in order to not get a squashed picture.

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shodan45:

how do I fix this? or where should I look?

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SteveGoodey:

shodan45: This any use? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Aspect_Ratio

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shodan45:

SteveGoodey: hmm, a bit... I'll see if any of that fixes it

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Kwisher_wrk:

SteveGoodey: got any other links for more in depth xorg config's?

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Kwisher_wrk:

i saved my original xorg file before i upgraded to xubuntu 13.04 because now the nvidia driver has no overscan adjustment

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shodan45:

heh, I saved my xorg.conf from 7+ years ago. took me weeks/months to get it to work right with my TV.

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EvilGuru:

I remember what nightmares I used to have regarding TV out

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clever:

ive still got nothing that does decent composite out, but now i can just use vga or hdmi/dvi and get it to work instantly

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clever:

the problems havent been fixed, the standard inputs on the tv just got better

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shodan45:

right... I wouldn't even think of using composite or s-video, or even component video, on a modern-ish tv

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shodan45:

even ignoring that the first 2 aren't HD

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johanbr:

just discovered that running "sudo mythfilldatabase" gets me EPG data, so I guess my problem is a permissions issue somewhere...

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clever:

do you have multiple config.xml's?

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dashs:

How to control spawning of mythlogservers?

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sphery:

dashs: configure your system properly

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sphery:

mythlogserver is spawned by whatever process needs to log at a time when no mythlogserver is running

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sphery:

so if you run as multiple users (i.e. backend as one, frontend as another, random miscellaneous programs from the command line as another), and you use --logpath to log to a file, chances are one or more of those users won't be able to write to the files created by other users

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sphery:

so if you use multiple users, you /must/ use --syslog

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sphery:

and if you use --logpath you /must/ use the same user to run every single mythtv application every single time

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sphery:

(i.e. every single mythtv program is run by the mythtv user and never as anyone else)

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smoothifier:

i have some hardware errors from a new ssd drive i installed recently. actually, the one i have there now is the third. today i got an error during post. anyway, i'm pretty convinced now that all 3 of the ssd drives i've had are fine, and that something else is going on. i'm not getting errors on my other hard drive. does anyone think it's my motherboard? it's a little old now, got it in fall 2008.

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smoothifier:

i'm wondering if i should just bite the bullet and make a new backend altogether.

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Darkchaos:

fucking hate it. Yesterday I had a 4Mbit/s bandwith with HomePlug, so I tried to switch to Wifi, which pinged faster and sometimes packages needed to be retransmit. was about 2MBit/s

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Darkchaos:

Now I retired HomePlug letting it buffer years, now I fucking have 11MBit/s

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Darkchaos:

however INet say's 720p = 20+Mbps, however my recording has 13MBps

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Darkchaos:

and I am only lacking a 12th second each second...

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wagnerrp:

please watch the language

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wagnerrp:

INet?

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