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[02:32:53] | wagnerrp: | it seems on gentoo, make.conf doesn't apply when you directly run make... |
[02:35:41] | clever: | i think your supposed to do ebuild foo.ebuild compile, never run things directly in the temp dir |
[02:35:59] | wagnerrp: | and when you're building a kernel? |
[02:36:22] | clever: | thats the only exception, you have 2 options |
[02:36:23] | wagnerrp: | i guess you're supposed to use genkernel then... bleh... |
[02:36:32] | clever: | either use genkernel to do it all, or do it by hand and ignore make.conf |
[02:36:52] | wagnerrp: | real 2m50.150s |
[02:36:52] | wagnerrp: | user 19m24.983s |
[02:36:52] | wagnerrp: | sys 1m44.661s |
[02:36:54] | wagnerrp: | not too bad... |
[02:36:59] | clever: | i only use genkernel if i want an initrd, and i do it by hand if i dont need it |
[02:40:25] | wagnerrp: | ive always just built my own initrds |
[02:40:56] | clever: | i just link the drivers in and boot without one when i can |
[02:41:15] | wagnerrp: | there's no logic in linux to boot from an iscsi disk |
[02:41:22] | clever: | ah |
[02:41:26] | wagnerrp: | not without an HBA giving it pointers anyway |
[02:41:34] | clever: | for custom stuff like that, you do need to make the initrd by hand |
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[03:10:04] | croccydile: | wagnerrp: I guess im late to the conversation |
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[03:58:22] | JennieL: | wagnerrp: sorry ... I'm using an HomeRun tuner |
[03:59:04] | wagnerrp: | then there are no quality settings |
[03:59:14] | wagnerrp: | it's a digital tuner |
[03:59:20] | wagnerrp: | you get whatever the broadcaster sends you |
[03:59:27] | JennieL: | wagnerrp: So no way to change the amount of space a recording takes up? |
[03:59:31] | wagnerrp: | nope |
[03:59:43] | wagnerrp: | you can transcode after the recording |
[03:59:47] | JennieL: | Hm. Ok, disk's cheap. :-/ |
[03:59:49] | JennieL: | THanks! |
[04:00:02] | wagnerrp: | easier to just buy more storage, unless you're trying to stuff it onto some portable device with limited codec support |
[04:00:03] | ** croccydile wiggles ** | |
[04:00:36] | JennieL: | wagnerrp: Yep. More disk on its way. Leaving for 12 weeks ... lots to record. ;-) |
[04:02:01] | JennieL: | ( I could've sworn I saw a screen that allows me to change "Default" template, or something ... ) |
[04:02:17] | croccydile: | Man you guys are making me feel inadequate |
[04:02:53] | wagnerrp: | recording rule template? |
[04:04:04] | JennieL: | wagnerrp: Are you asking me, or telling me? |
[04:04:08] | wagnerrp: | asking |
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[04:04:52] | JennieL: | Thought so. But, since I can't find it again ... mebbe hallucinating |
[04:05:11] | wagnerrp: | there is a recording profile for the hdhomerun |
[04:05:19] | wagnerrp: | but i think it's just a placeholder for the library |
[04:05:27] | wagnerrp: | i don't recall there actually being anything controllable in there |
[04:05:42] | JennieL: | ok. cref: hallucinating |
[04:06:03] | croccydile: | ive pondered getting this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817392051 |
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[04:06:58] | JennieL: | wagnerrp: btw, I've just been at this MythTV biz a few days — incredibly slick! Got all my machines working as frontends, both XBMC & MythTV with a central backend instance. Wow, just wow! |
[04:07:24] | croccydile: | Man I wish I could get XBMC to work as a frontend :( |
[04:07:33] | JennieL: | croccydile: Use the cmyth plugin |
[04:07:42] | croccydile: | Ill have to revisit it then I suppose |
[04:07:48] | croccydile: | Live TV *never* worked when I tried it |
[04:08:19] | wagnerrp: | five minutes ago, i was about to install something |
[04:08:23] | wagnerrp: | now i have no idea what that was |
[04:08:35] | croccydile: | You were installing comic sans ttf? ^^; |
[04:08:45] | ** croccydile hides ** | |
[04:09:01] | wagnerrp: | friends don't let friends use comic sans |
[04:09:20] | JennieL: | croccydile: LiveTV works perfectly here, using XBMC/Gotham, cmyth-git and Myth 0.26 backend |
[04:09:38] | JennieL: | Even have it running on my RaspberryPi! |
[04:09:41] | croccydile: | Hrm all right... odd |
[04:09:48] | croccydile: | I had no luck when I tried it |
[04:10:00] | croccydile: | I suppose ill give it a second attempt then with your suggestion |
[04:10:08] | croccydile: | I would love for the remote live tv to work |
[04:10:28] | JennieL: | croccydile: What do you mean 'remote live tv'? |
[04:10:37] | croccydile: | I need to find different hdd enclosures as well, my existing ones over USB spin down the disc |
[04:10:45] | wagnerrp: | i assume from a remote backend |
[04:10:56] | wagnerrp: | although everything is remote from mythtv's perspective |
[04:10:57] | croccydile: | Yeah, different PC than the backend |
[04:11:06] | croccydile: | And as you say, possibly from a raspberry pi would be nice too |
[04:11:10] | wagnerrp: | one way or another, it's all across the network |
[04:11:31] | croccydile: | I gave up on it because I was frustrated, however the backend works good so far |
[04:12:56] | croccydile: | Thankfully usb 3.0 has grown up sufficiently so I wouldnt mind getting new enclosures |
[04:13:05] | JennieL: | fwiw, I run a split config — separate master backend and frontends. Like wagnerrp says, it doesn't seem to matter whether it's a wire, or a WAN inbetween. Other than performance ... |
[04:13:09] | croccydile: | I just dont want them to idle the disk after like 10 damn seconds |
[04:13:26] | wagnerrp: | wan... meaning wireless, or wide area? |
[04:13:37] | JennieL: | wagnerrp: either/both |
[04:13:50] | JennieL: | croccydile: Turn off spindown for the drives? |
[04:14:01] | wagnerrp: | usually people don't have the throughput to handle either, but they at least try to use wireless |
[04:14:06] | croccydile: | JennieL: Its the usb chipset doing that, in the enclosure... and I cant seem to get it to work |
[04:14:15] | croccydile: | At least hdparm/sdparm wont work with it |
[04:15:18] | JennieL: | Never had a USB 'chipset' interfere. The drives do what they're told. Hm ... |
[04:15:40] | JennieL: | wagnerrp: Bandwidth is the one good thing that Comcast does ;-) |
[04:15:49] | croccydile: | Well im certain its the usb in the enclosure. On eSata it doesnt park like that |
[04:15:51] | croccydile: | Only on USB |
[04:15:53] | wagnerrp: | but 20Mbps of upload? |
[04:16:16] | wagnerrp: | i don't recall my DOCSIS, but i think that's even more than one channel |
[04:16:29] | croccydile: | HOever that machine is stuffed for sata ports, all 6 in use |
[04:16:47] | wagnerrp: | no, 30Mbps per channel upload |
[04:17:15] | JennieL: | wagnerrp: My link is rated at 105 down X 20 up ... |
[04:17:39] | croccydile: | Bah my upload is... 2mbit ;_; |
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[04:20:11] | JennieL: | wagnerrp: Disks are ordered. Thanks for the clarification! |
[04:22:13] | JennieL: | g'nite |
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[04:22:17] | wagnerrp: | there was a band in the nearby part tonight |
[04:22:23] | wagnerrp: | their drummer sucks |
[04:22:28] | wagnerrp: | plays everything too fast |
[04:22:35] | croccydile: | wagnerrp: Holy shit your scaring me |
[04:22:43] | croccydile: | Right when you said that, the DVD im watching a... live band appears |
[04:22:56] | wagnerrp: | had everyone else just slightly off tempo |
[04:23:38] | croccydile: | Heh now this is why when people talk about Ringo being the weakest Beatle... die in a fire he KEPT GOOD TIME |
[04:23:44] | croccydile: | Thats like the most important thing as a drummer |
[04:24:58] | wagnerrp: | no one appreciates a good drummer |
[04:25:07] | wagnerrp: | except Iron Butterfly and Megadeth |
[04:25:19] | wagnerrp: | of course Iron Butterfly appreciates a good organist, so.... |
[04:36:33] | lucas^: | Def Leppard's drummer is a badass |
[04:37:00] | croccydile: | Well there is always *cough* Rush |
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[04:47:40] | Blue1: | indeed |
[04:51:03] | croccydile: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eubi9YI2dKE |
[04:51:06] | croccydile: | Obligatory |
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[11:21:15] | raven_: | huge recording mess: a lot of 0kb files, sheduled recordings dont start, other shedules are absolutely random – how to debug that??? |
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[14:43:07] | oobe: | __raven, you probably want to see if mythtv has correct writing permissions to the path your recordings are kept |
[14:43:47] | oobe: | i.e assuming the mythbackend daemon is run with user mythtv you want to e.g chown mythtv:mythtv /var/lib/recordings |
[14:44:14] | __raven: | it has permissions and enough free space – errors are extremely random |
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[14:44:19] | oobe: | that is a loose example since you may be using a different user or a different path but I made default assumptions |
[14:45:05] | oobe: | look at the timestamps of the 0b recordings and then do a ls -lt /var/log/mythtv |
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[14:45:30] | __raven: | ok |
[14:45:30] | oobe: | and see logs that have time stamps that match up with that and open it in you favorate text editor and search |
[14:47:22] | oobe: | if the problem is random it could be a dodgey tuner or tuner driver as in you may be able to download newer drivers from v4l-dvb and see if that helps |
[14:51:10] | Korny: | What tuner? |
[14:51:39] | Korny: | I find I get empty recordings when my hdhr's decide not to want to tune a spoty vhf channel and crap out on me needing a reboot |
[14:53:57] | Kwisher: | i have a recording marked to record at a later time and there is a tuner available at the original time, any idea why? |
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[15:06:58] | Kwisher: | it switched to the correct time when i forced the a specific tuner |
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[18:03:55] | syncmaster4: | Hello! Looking for guidance from some of you experts out there. |
[18:04:45] | syncmaster4: | Ran mythtv for several years until it finally died, getting ready to re-build it and wanted some advice on capture device. |
[18:05:33] | syncmaster4: | I have analog cable (time warner) and was wondering if a WinTV-PVR-USB2 would be good. |
[18:06:27] | syncmaster4: | I'd like to use an external device and from what I can tell the wold work – assuming I can still find one. Open to other products you'd recommend. |
[18:16:09] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use analog cable, and you want USB, and you're fine with buying used hardware, then a PVR-USB2 will work for you |
[18:16:27] | wagnerrp: | however, it's questionable how much longer time warner will continue to offer analog cable |
[18:16:39] | wagnerrp: | personally, my cable provider discontinued analog service years ago |
[18:24:26] | tgm4883: | Is there a way to set the resolution of the preview image that gets created? |
[18:25:03] | tgm4883: | looks like the default is 100x56 |
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[18:37:16] | stuartm: | tgm4883: should be 320x240 |
[18:37:27] | stuartm: | there is a hidden setting to override it |
[18:37:41] | stuartm: | PreviewPixmapWidth PreviewPixmapHeight |
[18:38:07] | stuartm: | although it really shouldn't be using a setting like that :/ |
[18:39:36] | tgm4883: | stuartm, oh, I just guessed based on the filename the resolution |
[18:40:22] | tgm4883: | I suppose that could be something else though |
[18:41:36] | tgm4883: | yep, you are right. 320x240 |
[18:44:25] | tgm4883: | stuartm, I agree about the setting though. Seems it should keep full resolution and do the resizing for the theme |
[18:45:09] | stuartm: | well it doesn't do that historically for space reason (ironic given the files themselves are considerably larger) |
[18:45:54] | stuartm: | I will however fix it so that we don't produce previews at a fixed size (unless otherwise requested) |
[18:46:10] | tgm4883: | yea i could see that reasoning back when we were using standard definition and smaller hard drives |
[18:46:32] | tgm4883: | stuartm, you'll fix it so it just does the native resolution of the video? |
[18:48:04] | stuartm: | yep |
[18:48:26] | tgm4883: | stuartm, awesome, thank you |
[18:49:05] | tgm4883: | stuartm, is that something that can be fixed in 0.27, or is it a bigger deal that needs to wait until 0.28? |
[18:53:30] | stuartm: | can be backported no problem |
[18:53:38] | stuartm: | it's a two line change |
[18:53:44] | tgm4883: | sweet |
[18:57:15] | stuartm: | well, maybe more than that, but nothing controversial |
[19:03:17] | tgm4883: | stuartm, thats good. I'll continue my work on porting this theme |
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[19:03:35] | tgm4883: | stuartm, any idea what else I can look at for the fanart resizing issue? |
[19:04:05] | tgm4883: | I've put that theme port on hold for now because of it |
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[19:13:24] | stuartm: | tgm4883: I'm looking into it, about to push something to master which adds logging of the screen resolution (as used when determining how things should be scaled) |
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[19:39:57] | RogerM: | Does the frontend allow using filters on recording rules? I can do it in mythweb but I can't find it. Am I blind? Was trying to answer my wifes questions on why Record Daily/Weekly recording rules have disappeared. |
[19:44:04] | syncmaster4: | Thanks wagnerrp! Appreciate the guidance. |
[19:49:48] | skd5aner: | stuartm: random question for you too... my channel icons get stretched in my current theme's OSD (tinted glass) – is that dictated by the theme, and if so, which file? |
[19:50:15] | skd5aner: | In the ml, I see people mention it stretching in the EPG, but not sure about the OSD |
[19:53:06] | stuartm: | all defined by the theme, both epg and osd |
[19:54:05] | stuartm: | it should probably be using <preserveaspect>true</preserveaspect> – although since most channel icons are a consistent aspect ratio, it could just be that the dimensions the theme has chosen are wrong to begin with |
[20:03:06] | RogerM: | Sorry for my question.. I was blind and didn't see the very big button that I was supposed to click. :) |
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[20:18:09] | skd5aner: | stuartm: actually, most HD icons are not a consistent aspect ratio, they are all unique and usually not square... |
[20:18:31] | skd5aner: | HD, as in, the high quality icons on lyngsat |
[20:18:50] | skd5aner: | generally pngs with transparent backgrounds and high resolution |
[20:19:10] | skd5aner: | the jpgs are all low resolution and generally have a white background with a constant aspect ratio/size |
[20:19:17] | skd5aner: | I try not to use those if at all possible |
[20:19:29] | skd5aner: | but my theme doesn't appear to be leveraging perserveaspect |
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[20:20:55] | stuartm: | skd5aner: ok, I have no experience with those |
[20:21:06] | skd5aner: | they're definitely worth it :) |
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[20:23:54] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I've tried to convience xris to re-write the icon grabber several times to grab the high quality icons rather than the low quality onces for years, but obviously he's been a bit hands off |
[20:24:05] | skd5aner: | s/onces/ones |
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[20:25:33] | stuartm: | well we couldn't do it unconditionally since with transparent backgrounds it wouldn't work at all well with many themes |
[20:25:36] | skd5aner: | for example... http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/hires/bb/bbc_america.png |
[20:26:57] | stuartm: | e.g. if that one used a transparent background (can't tell) then how would the theme know what to place behind it – a black background and the text would disappear |
[20:27:16] | skd5aner: | stuartm: while the icon grabber will grab http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/bb/bbc_america.jpg instead |
[20:28:00] | skd5aner: | all you have to do to see if a hires image is availble is switch out "/logo/tv/" with "/hires" and ".jpg" with ".png" |
[20:28:18] | skd5aner: | http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/tvchannel/us/BBC-America.html |
[20:28:30] | skd5aner: | all of the PNG's have a transparent background |
[20:28:33] | skd5aner: | you can see there |
[20:28:54] | skd5aner: | some, however, have a background if that's actually part of the icon's design |
[20:29:04] | skd5aner: | but yes, it could potentially wash out |
[20:29:22] | skd5aner: | I suppose the theme designers should account for this :) |
[20:30:22] | skd5aner: | Looks way better than an icon on a white background... channel icons that are square with a white background make a nice looking OSD/EPG theme look like a website straight out of 1997 where they didn't understand the concept of transparent backgrounds yet :) |
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[20:31:15] | skd5aner: | regardless, should definitely not assume that icons are one-size fits all from a size perspective – I think aspect ratio should basically always be enforced |
[20:33:36] | skd5aner: | stuartm: I'm assuming, it's defined in osd.xml, correct? |
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[20:40:50] | stuartm: | for the OSD, yes |
[20:42:54] | stuartm: | skd5aner: the problem is how can they know what background to use which won't cause a problem, the simple example is a white text vs black text – use a black background and the black text disappears and vice-versa |
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[20:45:47] | skd5aner: | well... it's definitely not an easy question to solve for |
[20:46:10] | skd5aner: | btw, does it still use a cache? I made some changes, but it's not taking |
[20:47:20] | stuartm: | yeah, you'll need to clear the themecache |
[20:47:26] | skd5aner: | yup, found it |
[20:48:14] | stuartm: | thanks for mentioning that, points out a fault in the cache label, we should account for preserveaspect there |
[20:48:39] | skd5aner: | whoa! 15k+ files in the themcache |
[20:50:41] | stuartm: | skd5aner: heh, yeah, we've never implemented a housekeeper to clear out old file from the cache or to impose a limit on it's size |
[20:50:54] | skd5aner: | heh :) |
[20:50:57] | stuartm: | something I've got on a todo list for 0.28 |
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[20:51:38] | stuartm: | although I'm still wrestling with how to do it if people are using noatime (which I am) |
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[20:51:55] | skd5aner: | I'd love to actually look at this proverbial TODO list of yours... I imagine it could be stretch across the Atlantic |
[20:53:42] | skd5aner: | btw – that did it... my icons are good now |
[20:54:03] | stuartm: | skd5aner: yeah, I'll never find time to do it all and before now I've looked at old items on it but I've no idea what I meant – thought I wrote down enough detail at the time, but months/years later it's all a bit cryptic |
[20:54:22] | skd5aner: | aspect is preserved in the EPG in Tinted Glass, so that looks fine |
[20:54:39] | skd5aner: | that said – mythweb isn't picking up my icons now, I wonder if it doesn't support the storage groups |
[20:54:41] | stuartm: | skd5aner: might want to suggest that change to the maintainer |
[20:54:51] | skd5aner: | yea, think I will :) |
[20:54:59] | skd5aner: | he maintains it on github |
[20:55:09] | skd5aner: | https://github.com/MythTV-Themes/TintedGlass |
[20:55:32] | stuartm: | someone was supposed to add support for the icon storage group to mythweb, but I've no idea if actually happened |
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[20:56:10] | stuartm: | since mythweb is effectively unmaintained at this point, updates are sporadic and inconsistent |
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[21:10:36] | tgm4883: | skd5aner, what theme |
[21:11:34] | tgm4883: | oh wait, tintedglass |
[21:12:26] | skd5aner: | yup |
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[21:34:59] | skd5aner: | gigem: Hey, I've got a custom rule to record any game by a specific NFL team, and it's set to record 60 minutes over, but it never does... it records the normal scheduled time. Thoughts? |
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[21:55:38] | wagnerrp: | are you sure its getting scheduled by the correct rule? |
[21:55:55] | wagnerrp: | maybe there's another rule that already has the show scheduled and is interfering with it |
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[21:57:51] | bill6502: | skd5aner: Workaround to mythweb not using Storage Groups: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_icons#Universal_Location . The only thing left is the Services API #11865 |
[21:57:51] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11865 ** | |
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[22:25:56] | skd5aner: | bill6502: yea, I saw that... I got it fixed earlier, thanks though! :) |
[22:26:03] | skd5aner: | I hadn't tried to do anything yet |
[22:26:21] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: yes, although isn't there a way to tell which rule triggered a recording after the fact now? |
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[22:28:17] | wagnerrp: | check the 'recordid' in the recorded table |
[22:28:23] | wagnerrp: | match that to the rule in the record table |
[22:31:22] | skd5aner: | stuartm: you still around or have you headed to bed for the evening? |
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[22:33:43] | stuartm: | here for a couple of minutes only |
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[22:34:27] | skd5aner: | stuartm: well, I won't keep you... but I am curious, given your UI focus, if you have any plans to make the EPG perform better in Live TV? |
[22:34:30] | stuartm: | skd5aner, wagnerrp: simpler way is just to select the recording in 'Watch Recordings' then hit 'E' to edit the schedule |
[22:34:42] | skd5aner: | It freezes video/audio playback on every up/down keypress |
[22:34:46] | stuartm: | skd5aner: yes I do, but it's not all that simple |
[22:35:13] | stuartm: | skd5aner: that's mostly a problem that seems to affect slower machines |
[22:35:17] | skd5aner: | stuartm: yea, don't need an explanation right now :) I was just curious (from a strategic perspective) if it was on the roadmpa to fix |
[22:35:34] | skd5aner: | stuartm: not saying my machine is super fast, but I would say that it affects EVERY machine |
[22:36:10] | skd5aner: | and, I'm sure, on faster machines, it's less noticable, but my guess is that it's still the same symptomps, slight pauses in video playback |
[22:36:48] | skd5aner: | it's honestly the only thing that I can think of that truely annoys me about mythtv, and seems to be way behind every commercial STB/DVR's user experience |
[22:37:03] | skd5aner: | anyway – don't mean to nitpick, but glad to hear it's on the radar |
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[22:37:39] | skd5aner: | :) |
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[22:42:33] | stuartm: | started working on it last week, but it's definitely a can of worms and I shelved it temporarily |
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