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[02:32:53] wagnerrp: it seems on gentoo, make.conf doesn't apply when you directly run make...
[02:35:41] clever: i think your supposed to do ebuild foo.ebuild compile, never run things directly in the temp dir
[02:35:59] wagnerrp: and when you're building a kernel?
[02:36:22] clever: thats the only exception, you have 2 options
[02:36:23] wagnerrp: i guess you're supposed to use genkernel then... bleh...
[02:36:32] clever: either use genkernel to do it all, or do it by hand and ignore make.conf
[02:36:52] wagnerrp: real 2m50.150s
[02:36:52] wagnerrp: user 19m24.983s
[02:36:52] wagnerrp: sys 1m44.661s
[02:36:54] wagnerrp: not too bad...
[02:36:59] clever: i only use genkernel if i want an initrd, and i do it by hand if i dont need it
[02:40:25] wagnerrp: ive always just built my own initrds
[02:40:56] clever: i just link the drivers in and boot without one when i can
[02:41:15] wagnerrp: there's no logic in linux to boot from an iscsi disk
[02:41:22] clever: ah
[02:41:26] wagnerrp: not without an HBA giving it pointers anyway
[02:41:34] clever: for custom stuff like that, you do need to make the initrd by hand
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[03:10:04] croccydile: wagnerrp: I guess im late to the conversation
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[03:58:22] JennieL: wagnerrp: sorry ... I'm using an HomeRun tuner
[03:59:04] wagnerrp: then there are no quality settings
[03:59:14] wagnerrp: it's a digital tuner
[03:59:20] wagnerrp: you get whatever the broadcaster sends you
[03:59:27] JennieL: wagnerrp: So no way to change the amount of space a recording takes up?
[03:59:31] wagnerrp: nope
[03:59:43] wagnerrp: you can transcode after the recording
[03:59:47] JennieL: Hm. Ok, disk's cheap. :-/
[03:59:49] JennieL: THanks!
[04:00:02] wagnerrp: easier to just buy more storage, unless you're trying to stuff it onto some portable device with limited codec support
[04:00:03] ** croccydile wiggles **
[04:00:36] JennieL: wagnerrp: Yep. More disk on its way. Leaving for 12 weeks ... lots to record. ;-)
[04:02:01] JennieL: ( I could've sworn I saw a screen that allows me to change "Default" template, or something ... )
[04:02:17] croccydile: Man you guys are making me feel inadequate
[04:02:53] wagnerrp: recording rule template?
[04:04:04] JennieL: wagnerrp: Are you asking me, or telling me?
[04:04:08] wagnerrp: asking
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[04:04:52] JennieL: Thought so. But, since I can't find it again ... mebbe hallucinating
[04:05:11] wagnerrp: there is a recording profile for the hdhomerun
[04:05:19] wagnerrp: but i think it's just a placeholder for the library
[04:05:27] wagnerrp: i don't recall there actually being anything controllable in there
[04:05:42] JennieL: ok. cref: hallucinating
[04:06:03] croccydile: ive pondered getting this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817392051
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[04:06:58] JennieL: wagnerrp: btw, I've just been at this MythTV biz a few days — incredibly slick! Got all my machines working as frontends, both XBMC & MythTV with a central backend instance. Wow, just wow!
[04:07:24] croccydile: Man I wish I could get XBMC to work as a frontend :(
[04:07:33] JennieL: croccydile: Use the cmyth plugin
[04:07:42] croccydile: Ill have to revisit it then I suppose
[04:07:48] croccydile: Live TV *never* worked when I tried it
[04:08:19] wagnerrp: five minutes ago, i was about to install something
[04:08:23] wagnerrp: now i have no idea what that was
[04:08:35] croccydile: You were installing comic sans ttf? ^^;
[04:08:45] ** croccydile hides **
[04:09:01] wagnerrp: friends don't let friends use comic sans
[04:09:20] JennieL: croccydile: LiveTV works perfectly here, using XBMC/Gotham, cmyth-git and Myth 0.26 backend
[04:09:38] JennieL: Even have it running on my RaspberryPi!
[04:09:41] croccydile: Hrm all right... odd
[04:09:48] croccydile: I had no luck when I tried it
[04:10:00] croccydile: I suppose ill give it a second attempt then with your suggestion
[04:10:08] croccydile: I would love for the remote live tv to work
[04:10:28] JennieL: croccydile: What do you mean 'remote live tv'?
[04:10:37] croccydile: I need to find different hdd enclosures as well, my existing ones over USB spin down the disc
[04:10:45] wagnerrp: i assume from a remote backend
[04:10:56] wagnerrp: although everything is remote from mythtv's perspective
[04:10:57] croccydile: Yeah, different PC than the backend
[04:11:06] croccydile: And as you say, possibly from a raspberry pi would be nice too
[04:11:10] wagnerrp: one way or another, it's all across the network
[04:11:31] croccydile: I gave up on it because I was frustrated, however the backend works good so far
[04:12:56] croccydile: Thankfully usb 3.0 has grown up sufficiently so I wouldnt mind getting new enclosures
[04:13:05] JennieL: fwiw, I run a split config — separate master backend and frontends. Like wagnerrp says, it doesn't seem to matter whether it's a wire, or a WAN inbetween. Other than performance ...
[04:13:09] croccydile: I just dont want them to idle the disk after like 10 damn seconds
[04:13:26] wagnerrp: wan... meaning wireless, or wide area?
[04:13:37] JennieL: wagnerrp: either/both
[04:13:50] JennieL: croccydile: Turn off spindown for the drives?
[04:14:01] wagnerrp: usually people don't have the throughput to handle either, but they at least try to use wireless
[04:14:06] croccydile: JennieL: Its the usb chipset doing that, in the enclosure... and I cant seem to get it to work
[04:14:15] croccydile: At least hdparm/sdparm wont work with it
[04:15:18] JennieL: Never had a USB 'chipset' interfere. The drives do what they're told. Hm ...
[04:15:40] JennieL: wagnerrp: Bandwidth is the one good thing that Comcast does ;-)
[04:15:49] croccydile: Well im certain its the usb in the enclosure. On eSata it doesnt park like that
[04:15:51] croccydile: Only on USB
[04:15:53] wagnerrp: but 20Mbps of upload?
[04:16:16] wagnerrp: i don't recall my DOCSIS, but i think that's even more than one channel
[04:16:29] croccydile: HOever that machine is stuffed for sata ports, all 6 in use
[04:16:47] wagnerrp: no, 30Mbps per channel upload
[04:17:15] JennieL: wagnerrp: My link is rated at 105 down X 20 up ...
[04:17:39] croccydile: Bah my upload is... 2mbit ;_;
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[04:20:11] JennieL: wagnerrp: Disks are ordered. Thanks for the clarification!
[04:22:13] JennieL: g'nite
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[04:22:17] wagnerrp: there was a band in the nearby part tonight
[04:22:23] wagnerrp: their drummer sucks
[04:22:28] wagnerrp: plays everything too fast
[04:22:35] croccydile: wagnerrp: Holy shit your scaring me
[04:22:43] croccydile: Right when you said that, the DVD im watching a... live band appears
[04:22:56] wagnerrp: had everyone else just slightly off tempo
[04:23:38] croccydile: Heh now this is why when people talk about Ringo being the weakest Beatle... die in a fire he KEPT GOOD TIME
[04:23:44] croccydile: Thats like the most important thing as a drummer
[04:24:58] wagnerrp: no one appreciates a good drummer
[04:25:07] wagnerrp: except Iron Butterfly and Megadeth
[04:25:19] wagnerrp: of course Iron Butterfly appreciates a good organist, so....
[04:36:33] lucas^: Def Leppard's drummer is a badass
[04:37:00] croccydile: Well there is always *cough* Rush
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[04:47:40] Blue1: indeed
[04:51:03] croccydile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eubi9YI2dKE
[04:51:06] croccydile: Obligatory
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[11:21:15] raven_: huge recording mess: a lot of 0kb files, sheduled recordings dont start, other shedules are absolutely random – how to debug that???
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[14:43:07] oobe: __raven, you probably want to see if mythtv has correct writing permissions to the path your recordings are kept
[14:43:47] oobe: i.e assuming the mythbackend daemon is run with user mythtv you want to e.g chown mythtv:mythtv /var/lib/recordings
[14:44:14] __raven: it has permissions and enough free space – errors are extremely random
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[14:44:19] oobe: that is a loose example since you may be using a different user or a different path but I made default assumptions
[14:45:05] oobe: look at the timestamps of the 0b recordings and then do a ls -lt /var/log/mythtv
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[14:45:30] __raven: ok
[14:45:30] oobe: and see logs that have time stamps that match up with that and open it in you favorate text editor and search
[14:47:22] oobe: if the problem is random it could be a dodgey tuner or tuner driver as in you may be able to download newer drivers from v4l-dvb and see if that helps
[14:51:10] Korny: What tuner?
[14:51:39] Korny: I find I get empty recordings when my hdhr's decide not to want to tune a spoty vhf channel and crap out on me needing a reboot
[14:53:57] Kwisher: i have a recording marked to record at a later time and there is a tuner available at the original time, any idea why?
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[15:06:58] Kwisher: it switched to the correct time when i forced the a specific tuner
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[18:03:55] syncmaster4: Hello! Looking for guidance from some of you experts out there.
[18:04:45] syncmaster4: Ran mythtv for several years until it finally died, getting ready to re-build it and wanted some advice on capture device.
[18:05:33] syncmaster4: I have analog cable (time warner) and was wondering if a WinTV-PVR-USB2 would be good.
[18:06:27] syncmaster4: I'd like to use an external device and from what I can tell the wold work – assuming I can still find one. Open to other products you'd recommend.
[18:16:09] wagnerrp: if you want to use analog cable, and you want USB, and you're fine with buying used hardware, then a PVR-USB2 will work for you
[18:16:27] wagnerrp: however, it's questionable how much longer time warner will continue to offer analog cable
[18:16:39] wagnerrp: personally, my cable provider discontinued analog service years ago
[18:24:26] tgm4883: Is there a way to set the resolution of the preview image that gets created?
[18:25:03] tgm4883: looks like the default is 100x56
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[18:37:16] stuartm: tgm4883: should be 320x240
[18:37:27] stuartm: there is a hidden setting to override it
[18:37:41] stuartm: PreviewPixmapWidth PreviewPixmapHeight
[18:38:07] stuartm: although it really shouldn't be using a setting like that :/
[18:39:36] tgm4883: stuartm, oh, I just guessed based on the filename the resolution
[18:40:22] tgm4883: I suppose that could be something else though
[18:41:36] tgm4883: yep, you are right. 320x240
[18:44:25] tgm4883: stuartm, I agree about the setting though. Seems it should keep full resolution and do the resizing for the theme
[18:45:09] stuartm: well it doesn't do that historically for space reason (ironic given the files themselves are considerably larger)
[18:45:54] stuartm: I will however fix it so that we don't produce previews at a fixed size (unless otherwise requested)
[18:46:10] tgm4883: yea i could see that reasoning back when we were using standard definition and smaller hard drives
[18:46:32] tgm4883: stuartm, you'll fix it so it just does the native resolution of the video?
[18:48:04] stuartm: yep
[18:48:26] tgm4883: stuartm, awesome, thank you
[18:49:05] tgm4883: stuartm, is that something that can be fixed in 0.27, or is it a bigger deal that needs to wait until 0.28?
[18:53:30] stuartm: can be backported no problem
[18:53:38] stuartm: it's a two line change
[18:53:44] tgm4883: sweet
[18:57:15] stuartm: well, maybe more than that, but nothing controversial
[19:03:17] tgm4883: stuartm, thats good. I'll continue my work on porting this theme
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[19:03:35] tgm4883: stuartm, any idea what else I can look at for the fanart resizing issue?
[19:04:05] tgm4883: I've put that theme port on hold for now because of it
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[19:13:24] stuartm: tgm4883: I'm looking into it, about to push something to master which adds logging of the screen resolution (as used when determining how things should be scaled)
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[19:39:57] RogerM: Does the frontend allow using filters on recording rules? I can do it in mythweb but I can't find it. Am I blind? Was trying to answer my wifes questions on why Record Daily/Weekly recording rules have disappeared.
[19:44:04] syncmaster4: Thanks wagnerrp! Appreciate the guidance.
[19:49:48] skd5aner: stuartm: random question for you too... my channel icons get stretched in my current theme's OSD (tinted glass) – is that dictated by the theme, and if so, which file?
[19:50:15] skd5aner: In the ml, I see people mention it stretching in the EPG, but not sure about the OSD
[19:53:06] stuartm: all defined by the theme, both epg and osd
[19:54:05] stuartm: it should probably be using <preserveaspect>true</preserveaspect> – although since most channel icons are a consistent aspect ratio, it could just be that the dimensions the theme has chosen are wrong to begin with
[20:03:06] RogerM: Sorry for my question.. I was blind and didn't see the very big button that I was supposed to click. :)
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[20:18:09] skd5aner: stuartm: actually, most HD icons are not a consistent aspect ratio, they are all unique and usually not square...
[20:18:31] skd5aner: HD, as in, the high quality icons on lyngsat
[20:18:50] skd5aner: generally pngs with transparent backgrounds and high resolution
[20:19:10] skd5aner: the jpgs are all low resolution and generally have a white background with a constant aspect ratio/size
[20:19:17] skd5aner: I try not to use those if at all possible
[20:19:29] skd5aner: but my theme doesn't appear to be leveraging perserveaspect
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[20:20:55] stuartm: skd5aner: ok, I have no experience with those
[20:21:06] skd5aner: they're definitely worth it :)
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[20:23:54] skd5aner: stuartm: I've tried to convience xris to re-write the icon grabber several times to grab the high quality icons rather than the low quality onces for years, but obviously he's been a bit hands off
[20:24:05] skd5aner: s/onces/ones
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[20:25:33] stuartm: well we couldn't do it unconditionally since with transparent backgrounds it wouldn't work at all well with many themes
[20:25:36] skd5aner: for example... http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/hires/bb/bbc_america.png
[20:26:57] stuartm: e.g. if that one used a transparent background (can't tell) then how would the theme know what to place behind it – a black background and the text would disappear
[20:27:16] skd5aner: stuartm: while the icon grabber will grab http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/bb/bbc_america.jpg instead
[20:28:00] skd5aner: all you have to do to see if a hires image is availble is switch out "/logo/tv/" with "/hires" and ".jpg" with ".png"
[20:28:18] skd5aner: http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/tvchannel/us/BBC-America.html
[20:28:30] skd5aner: all of the PNG's have a transparent background
[20:28:33] skd5aner: you can see there
[20:28:54] skd5aner: some, however, have a background if that's actually part of the icon's design
[20:29:04] skd5aner: but yes, it could potentially wash out
[20:29:22] skd5aner: I suppose the theme designers should account for this :)
[20:30:22] skd5aner: Looks way better than an icon on a white background... channel icons that are square with a white background make a nice looking OSD/EPG theme look like a website straight out of 1997 where they didn't understand the concept of transparent backgrounds yet :)
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[20:31:15] skd5aner: regardless, should definitely not assume that icons are one-size fits all from a size perspective – I think aspect ratio should basically always be enforced
[20:33:36] skd5aner: stuartm: I'm assuming, it's defined in osd.xml, correct?
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[20:40:50] stuartm: for the OSD, yes
[20:42:54] stuartm: skd5aner: the problem is how can they know what background to use which won't cause a problem, the simple example is a white text vs black text – use a black background and the black text disappears and vice-versa
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[20:45:47] skd5aner: well... it's definitely not an easy question to solve for
[20:46:10] skd5aner: btw, does it still use a cache? I made some changes, but it's not taking
[20:47:20] stuartm: yeah, you'll need to clear the themecache
[20:47:26] skd5aner: yup, found it
[20:48:14] stuartm: thanks for mentioning that, points out a fault in the cache label, we should account for preserveaspect there
[20:48:39] skd5aner: whoa! 15k+ files in the themcache
[20:50:41] stuartm: skd5aner: heh, yeah, we've never implemented a housekeeper to clear out old file from the cache or to impose a limit on it's size
[20:50:54] skd5aner: heh :)
[20:50:57] stuartm: something I've got on a todo list for 0.28
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[20:51:38] stuartm: although I'm still wrestling with how to do it if people are using noatime (which I am)
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[20:51:55] skd5aner: I'd love to actually look at this proverbial TODO list of yours... I imagine it could be stretch across the Atlantic
[20:53:42] skd5aner: btw – that did it... my icons are good now
[20:54:03] stuartm: skd5aner: yeah, I'll never find time to do it all and before now I've looked at old items on it but I've no idea what I meant – thought I wrote down enough detail at the time, but months/years later it's all a bit cryptic
[20:54:22] skd5aner: aspect is preserved in the EPG in Tinted Glass, so that looks fine
[20:54:39] skd5aner: that said – mythweb isn't picking up my icons now, I wonder if it doesn't support the storage groups
[20:54:41] stuartm: skd5aner: might want to suggest that change to the maintainer
[20:54:51] skd5aner: yea, think I will :)
[20:54:59] skd5aner: he maintains it on github
[20:55:09] skd5aner: https://github.com/MythTV-Themes/TintedGlass
[20:55:32] stuartm: someone was supposed to add support for the icon storage group to mythweb, but I've no idea if actually happened
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[20:56:10] stuartm: since mythweb is effectively unmaintained at this point, updates are sporadic and inconsistent
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[21:10:36] tgm4883: skd5aner, what theme
[21:11:34] tgm4883: oh wait, tintedglass
[21:12:26] skd5aner: yup
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[21:34:59] skd5aner: gigem: Hey, I've got a custom rule to record any game by a specific NFL team, and it's set to record 60 minutes over, but it never does... it records the normal scheduled time. Thoughts?
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[21:55:38] wagnerrp: are you sure its getting scheduled by the correct rule?
[21:55:55] wagnerrp: maybe there's another rule that already has the show scheduled and is interfering with it
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[21:57:51] bill6502: skd5aner: Workaround to mythweb not using Storage Groups: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_icons#Universal_Location . The only thing left is the Services API #11865
[21:57:51] ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11865 **
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[22:25:56] skd5aner: bill6502: yea, I saw that... I got it fixed earlier, thanks though! :)
[22:26:03] skd5aner: I hadn't tried to do anything yet
[22:26:21] skd5aner: wagnerrp: yes, although isn't there a way to tell which rule triggered a recording after the fact now?
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[22:28:17] wagnerrp: check the 'recordid' in the recorded table
[22:28:23] wagnerrp: match that to the rule in the record table
[22:31:22] skd5aner: stuartm: you still around or have you headed to bed for the evening?
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[22:33:43] stuartm: here for a couple of minutes only
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[22:34:27] skd5aner: stuartm: well, I won't keep you... but I am curious, given your UI focus, if you have any plans to make the EPG perform better in Live TV?
[22:34:30] stuartm: skd5aner, wagnerrp: simpler way is just to select the recording in 'Watch Recordings' then hit 'E' to edit the schedule
[22:34:42] skd5aner: It freezes video/audio playback on every up/down keypress
[22:34:46] stuartm: skd5aner: yes I do, but it's not all that simple
[22:35:13] stuartm: skd5aner: that's mostly a problem that seems to affect slower machines
[22:35:17] skd5aner: stuartm: yea, don't need an explanation right now :) I was just curious (from a strategic perspective) if it was on the roadmpa to fix
[22:35:34] skd5aner: stuartm: not saying my machine is super fast, but I would say that it affects EVERY machine
[22:36:10] skd5aner: and, I'm sure, on faster machines, it's less noticable, but my guess is that it's still the same symptomps, slight pauses in video playback
[22:36:48] skd5aner: it's honestly the only thing that I can think of that truely annoys me about mythtv, and seems to be way behind every commercial STB/DVR's user experience
[22:37:03] skd5aner: anyway – don't mean to nitpick, but glad to hear it's on the radar
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[22:37:39] skd5aner: :)
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[22:42:33] stuartm: started working on it last week, but it's definitely a can of worms and I shelved it temporarily
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