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| [00:24:59] | aarcane: | So I finally got Mythtv working for my backend. I'm trying to figure something out.. |
| [00:25:11] | aarcane: | I've apparently left it watching some channel on one of my two frontends... |
| [00:25:32] | aarcane: | and I've come back to a folder of 122 GB of small video files... |
| [00:25:50] | wagnerrp: | they will expire in short order on their own |
| [00:26:05] | aarcane: | How can I limit the amount of live television that mythtv will archive in this fashion? I don't want them around long, and I don't want more than about 100GiB of this type of files. |
| [00:26:22] | wagnerrp: | they will expire faster if you need the room |
| [00:28:14] | aarcane: | I don't have a theoretical limit it's close to hitting in hardware or software, but I'd like to know precisely how much space live television will consume ahead of time, and preferably to limit it manually. Of course recordings can grow pretty much indefinitely |
| [00:28:49] | wagnerrp: | you can partition off part of your hard drive, and force livetv to only use that partition |
| [00:29:27] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, livetv could grow to be as much as you can record in a 24 hour period |
| [00:29:56] | wagnerrp: | or roughly 170GB (assuming one frontend) |
| [00:29:58] | aarcane: | I've got ZFS, so I can just set a quota on a filesystem if it comes to that, but I'd like to keep all my recordings in a single dataset and NOT forcibly limit it |
| [00:30:06] | aarcane: | I have two frontends in theory. |
| [00:30:12] | aarcane: | one should be seldom used. |
| [00:31:15] | aarcane: | can I set that 24 hour thing to something closer to 6 hours without detrimentally affecting anything? |
| [00:31:27] | wagnerrp: | there might be a setting, i don't know where it is |
| [00:31:40] | wagnerrp: | but the question is... why do you think you need to limit it? |
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| [00:32:17] | wagnerrp: | mythtv's disk scheduler really doesn't work well with multiple ZFS data sets |
| [00:32:30] | wagnerrp: | since all of them will appear to be the same size |
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| [00:33:04] | aarcane: | I particularly dislike having processes automatically consuming disk resources. I'm recovering from having <100GiB of free space, and I don't want to end up at that point again any time soon. |
| [00:33:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that's the other thing |
| [00:33:29] | wagnerrp: | ZFS doesn't like being anywhere close to full |
| [00:33:48] | wagnerrp: | usually, once you get within about 20%, you're heading into some serious performance issues |
| [00:34:02] | wagnerrp: | far more so than is typical for POSIX filesystems |
| [00:34:10] | aarcane: | yeah, I know. I was just there. |
| [00:34:28] | aarcane: | I upgraded from 5TiB to 12TiB of usable space at the same time I acquired an HD Homerun |
| [00:34:38] | wagnerrp: | so the best solution... tell MythTV you want to reserve like 2TB of space on the array |
| [00:34:46] | wagnerrp: | once you hit that limit, it starts expiring content |
| [00:34:53] | wagnerrp: | livetv is always expired before recordings |
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| [00:35:23] | wagnerrp: | if something else starts using that space, MythTV will begin expiring content to maintain that much free space |
| [00:35:33] | aarcane: | My preference is to Expire live tv early and often while not expiring recordings except as specified in recording preferences |
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| [00:39:57] | wagnerrp: | live tv will always be expired before scheduled recordings |
| [00:49:24] | wagnerrp: | clancy brown just can't catch a break |
| [00:49:34] | wagnerrp: | just five minutes into a new series and they kill him off |
| [00:54:34] | Hydr0p0nX: | what series? |
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| [00:55:18] | wagnerrp: | sleepy hollow |
| [00:56:12] | Hydr0p0nX: | ahh |
| [00:56:17] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea, it's on my record list |
| [00:56:22] | Hydr0p0nX: | just haven't watched it yet |
| [00:57:15] | wagnerrp: | if he's playing an important role in something, you know his role is to die |
| [00:57:20] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea |
| [00:57:24] | Hydr0p0nX: | oh |
| [00:57:58] | Hydr0p0nX: | oh, how reliable have you found the commercial detection to be? |
| [00:58:06] | Hydr0p0nX: | i noticed the wiki made it sound iffy |
| [00:58:24] | wagnerrp: | usually pretty decent, if you're in the US |
| [00:58:45] | wagnerrp: | there was a bug a couple years back that would horribly botch all runs, but since that was fixed, it's not bad |
| [01:00:11] | Hydr0p0nX: | safe to assume it's accurate in most cases or do you review cut lists before cutting them? |
| [01:00:23] | wagnerrp: | i don't even use them when producing cutlists |
| [01:00:47] | wagnerrp: | either i generate the cutlist as i'm watching, or a build one from scratch later |
| [01:00:54] | Hydr0p0nX: | ahh |
| [01:01:01] | wagnerrp: | it only takes me maybe 2–3 minutes for an hour long show anyway |
| [01:01:23] | Hydr0p0nX: | will be reviewing them for a little while then |
| [01:01:33] | wagnerrp: | i completely forgot he was the bad guy in highlander |
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| [01:10:41] | wagnerrp: | i'm going to have to come up with some way to record FOX |
| [01:10:52] | wagnerrp: | the other three majors come in just fine, but FOX is iffy |
| [01:13:14] | wagnerrp: | i've still got an old (white) HDHR |
| [01:13:38] | wagnerrp: | i need another tuner, i think ill just pick up one of the new ones, and hope for an improved demod |
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| [01:15:23] | Hydr0p0nX: | this ceton is nice |
| [01:16:10] | wagnerrp: | and also doesn't work with antennas |
| [01:17:05] | Hydr0p0nX: | you are correct |
| [01:20:05] | wagnerrp: | they're playing Get Shorty on a PBS station? |
| [01:21:47] | Hydr0p0nX: | i'm sure it's heavily edited |
| [01:23:08] | wagnerrp: | you know, i have three PBS stations in range |
| [01:24:33] | Hydr0p0nX: | 3 ? |
| [01:24:42] | Hydr0p0nX: | i didn't know there were 3 pbs stations =/ |
| [01:25:59] | wagnerrp: | it's like any other network |
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| [01:40:14] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea, just didn't realise they had some many broadcasts at once i guess |
| [01:40:34] | Hydr0p0nX: | didn't click, i guess because it's partially public funded |
| [01:41:01] | wagnerrp: | they pick up a lot of documentaries and old british TV shows |
| [01:55:07] | ** croccydile experiences difficulty finding a plain jane transcode to h264 script ** | |
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| [03:07:21] | wagnerrp: | i really need to stop leaving my phone on my desk without plugging it in |
| [03:07:40] | wagnerrp: | it pairs up with bluetooth and two days of battery drops to about half a day |
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| [03:10:21] | ** croccydile has some success with x264_transcode_high.pl ** | |
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| [03:18:52] | [R]: | what the hell is going on |
| [03:19:02] | [R]: | my sound card has decided that it only has a left and a right |
| [03:20:15] | croccydile: | :o |
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| [04:10:54] | ** croccydile scritches his head over ffmpeg acting funny now ** | |
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| [08:01:28] | trumee: | OT, is it possible to route sound to a single speaker of a 7.1 speaker setup. want to minimise sound late in the night. |
| [08:03:53] | caelor: | trumee, it depends – how are you getting sound from Myth to the speakers? (SPDIF digital out to an external speaker system, or an analog 7.1 system connected to your PC hardware?) |
| [08:04:19] | trumee: | caelor: analog system using alsa |
| [08:05:04] | caelor: | you should be able to put something together with an asoundrc that remaps channels to a single one |
| [08:05:39] | trumee: | caelor: i will then connect headphone to that single speaker. Ideally bluetooth would have been useful, but getting it to work is a hassle |
| [08:06:08] | caelor: | yeah |
| [08:06:27] | trumee: | caelor: with a modified .asoundrc, will i have to modify the audio settings in mythtv? |
| [08:07:08] | caelor: | if MythTV is set to use alsa:default, then no, probably just restarting the frontend |
| [08:07:16] | caelor: | (or maybe not even that) |
| [08:07:37] | trumee: | caelor: can i map the audio change to a menu item, so i can modify audio setup from frontend? |
| [08:08:14] | caelor: | that would involve a change to menu.xml to add the menu item, but yes, you could use the menu to fire a script that reconfigured |
| [08:08:40] | caelor: | another alternative is using irexec with a remote button to fire the script |
| [08:09:08] | caelor: | (maybe using a frontend services API call to display a notification that the audio has been modified, if you're running 0.27) |
| [08:10:11] | caelor: | another option is to have a USB soundcard/headphones, and relaunch the frontend with a "forced" hostname (so it picks up an alternate config), that is configured to use the headphone soundcard |
| [08:11:17] | caelor: | the latter is probably the simpler solution to implement |
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| [08:13:20] | caelor: | I had a similar requirement – one of my frontends is dual use between music and tv. I ended up using a USB 5.1 card, with 2 sets of stereo speakers. We needed the ability to switch each set of speakers independently between music and myth |
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| [08:14:52] | caelor: | I ended up using pulseaudio (which is not recommended, due to the latency it adds, but this wasn't a primary frontend), to handle routing |
| [08:15:31] | caelor: | it does mean that my wife can listen to music while I listen to sports commentary |
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| [08:16:11] | caelor: | and I ended up firing the scripts that handle the mapping onto remote buttons |
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| [10:23:00] | pb1: | Hi, I'm a long time user, first time caller... My server is set to UTC. I'm a sysadmin and it just makes everything easier. BUT, browsing mythweb kind of sucks. I would like mythweb to show my local offset instead of UTC. Is this doable? If yes, how? I have tried futzing with php.ini and date.timezone to no avail. |
| [10:24:37] | pb1: | also, big thanks to fetzerch for making mythbackend work with xbmc, much appreciated :) |
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| [10:26:08] | pb1: | and janbar too |
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| [11:46:05] | louisdk: | How do I edit subtitle size shown in the frontend? Osd subtitle.xml didn't seemed to be the right place to look. |
| [11:52:02] | wizbit: | louisdk: im sure there are OSD menu options |
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| [12:06:43] | louisdk: | wizbit: Settings -> Video -> Video doring playback – I can select some thing ex subtitle codec but not subtile size. |
| [12:10:11] | wizbit: | louisdk: im sure there are settings somewhere for font sizes |
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| [12:16:43] | louisdk: | wizbit: Have looked anywhere under Settings in Frontend and couldn't find it. |
| [12:17:05] | natanojl: | louisdk: You should be able to adjust the size from the menu during playback |
| [12:21:50] | louisdk: | natanojl: It seems like the zoom mode (Menu -> Subtitles -> Adjust zoom) does not work. Also because the video is not in fullscreen, but 2.35:1 – the subtitles gets even smaller. |
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| [15:15:22] | ** croccydile tries to fiddle with ffmpeg ** | |
| [15:15:38] | wagnerrp: | still? |
| [15:16:03] | croccydile: | Well I got the script to work, but it produced an unusable video |
| [15:16:47] | croccydile: | I'm wondering if the commercial removal thingy made the mpeg-2 source screwed up now |
| [15:17:06] | wagnerrp: | try playing the mpeg2 source |
| [15:17:34] | croccydile: | Source is ok |
| [15:17:53] | croccydile: | [mp2 @ 0x204d850] incomplete frame |
| [15:17:55] | croccydile: | Error while decoding stream #0:1: Invalid data found when processing input |
| [15:18:09] | croccydile: | ffmpeg gets to a frame about 18 minutes in, and then just dies |
| [15:18:18] | croccydile: | or rather it just skips to the end |
| [15:19:36] | croccydile: | Ill have to try one that hasnt had the commercial script work on it |
| [15:19:51] | wagnerrp: | commercial script? or mythtranscode? |
| [15:20:07] | croccydile: | it uses mythtranscode to do the lossless mpeg2 cutting |
| [15:20:13] | croccydile: | The one from teh wiki |
| [15:20:28] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to just running mythtranscode directly? |
| [15:20:35] | wagnerrp: | i don't understand the purpose |
| [15:20:46] | croccydile: | mythtranscode wont do x264? |
| [15:21:19] | wagnerrp: | no, only rtjpeg and mpeg4 (asp) |
| [15:21:28] | croccydile: | Yeah... |
| [15:22:08] | wagnerrp: | but why use lossless cutting if you're just going to transcode it? |
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| [15:22:52] | croccydile: | Commercial removal ^^; |
| [15:23:09] | wagnerrp: | right, but why bother with that extra step? |
| [15:23:23] | croccydile: | I may have to skip that now |
| [15:23:30] | wagnerrp: | run mythtranscode in frame server mode |
| [15:23:42] | wagnerrp: | and serve raw frames to the external encoder |
| [15:23:52] | croccydile: | *Is not skilled enough to do that* |
| [15:24:33] | croccydile: | What about audio? |
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| [15:24:53] | wagnerrp: | its outputed in a second file pipe synchronously |
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| [15:25:32] | croccydile: | Hrm... |
| [15:25:40] | croccydile: | I'll have to do some research there then |
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| [15:26:16] | wagnerrp: | i know nuvexport and a handful of other applications use it |
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| [15:28:28] | croccydile: | *Nods and looks at that script to see* |
| [15:28:49] | wagnerrp: | the lengths some people go to to not upgrade... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/not-getting-movie-m . . . 7/#post65809 |
| [15:28:54] | croccydile: | Yeah this video just drops frames past a certain point... most likely where it was cut |
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| [15:39:04] | croccydile: | ill have to modify the commercial script to pipe to ffmpeg I guess |
| [15:40:07] | wagnerrp: | have you tried actually transcoding the original source? |
| [15:40:32] | wagnerrp: | lossless cutting shouldn't be producing damaged files. it's possible it received a damaged file in the first place |
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| [15:40:54] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps passed through some property that the transcoder cannot handle |
| [15:41:36] | croccydile: | Well the original is long gone, since they were shows of low priority |
| [15:41:42] | croccydile: | I am trying it on one that has not been cut |
| [15:42:07] | croccydile: | I would imagine that too, but the error occurs right where the commercial was :x |
| [15:43:04] | wagnerrp: | perhaps a bug in an old version of mythtranscode that has since been fixed? |
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| [15:43:46] | croccydile: | Well I am using the most recent version of 0.26 on gentoo |
| [15:44:07] | wagnerrp: | i should really resolve that... |
| [15:44:38] | croccydile: | Give me a sec... |
| [15:45:04] | wagnerrp: | i should do that today |
| [15:45:36] | croccydile: | http://pastebin.com/SDXWzmkS |
| [15:45:52] | croccydile: | These are analog recordings from 2250 |
| [15:46:12] | croccydile: | note unknown audio decoding error :x |
| [15:55:09] | croccydile: | Yeah that would make me worried that even as passthrough it might not work right |
| [15:55:41] | wagnerrp: | from [a] 2250? like the tuner? |
| [15:57:45] | croccydile: | yeah hvr-2250 |
| [15:59:50] | croccydile: | It would take a long time but I could upload one of the original .mpg files |
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| [16:14:23] | croccydile: | Yeah a non-cut recording transcoded ok :x |
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| [16:20:07] | croccydile: | Well its not the end of the world either way, just american pickers I record for someone here :p |
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| [17:35:40] | NextToNothing: | This probably isn't a good place to ask, but oh well. Does anyone know if it's possible to alter the sowftware/firmware that my TV is using? |
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| [17:47:06] | croccydile: | Awrrrr... |
| [18:01:38] | wagnerrp: | NextToNothing: it's certainly possible. my tv reports it needs to perform a firmware update every couple months |
| [18:02:44] | wagnerrp: | but how to actually do it... you would first need to figure out how to build your own firmware, then you would need to spoof the cryptographic signature from the manufacturer, and spoof your network location along with the update communications protocol in order to make it pull a new firmware from you |
| [18:03:12] | wagnerrp: | it can be done, sure, but it's about as far from a trivial exercise as you can get, and _well_ outside the scope of this channel |
| [18:04:03] | NextToNothing: | Hm. |
| [18:04:08] | wagnerrp: | this channel deals with "replacing the firmware" of a TV by hooking up a PC to it running MythTV, and turning the TV into a dumb monitor |
| [18:04:20] | SpeedEvil: | wagnerrp: it might not be. |
| [18:04:32] | SpeedEvil: | you could install a myth frontend on the TV. |
| [18:05:06] | SpeedEvil: | but ##embedded ##electronics – practically' for most tvs it will not be remotely practical |
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| [18:05:43] | wagnerrp: | no you couldn't |
| [18:05:51] | wagnerrp: | not without some serious rewriting of the mythtv code base |
| [18:06:24] | NextToNothing: | I can code, thats not a problem – As long isn't too much effort and time consuming |
| [18:06:28] | SpeedEvil: | some TVs are actually running Linux |
| [18:06:45] | SpeedEvil: | porting is very different from coding, |
| [18:06:45] | wagnerrp: | i'd say most TVs are actually running Linux |
| [18:07:05] | SpeedEvil: | it has its own unique problem, starting out with undocumented hardware |
| [18:07:33] | wagnerrp: | but there's a huge difference between embedded Busybox/Linux on a low-memory platform with an unknown hardware decoder, and a typical PC running GNU/Linux with gobs of memory and CPU |
| [18:08:36] | wagnerrp: | and that's ignoring the issue of the system being cryptographically locked, requiring signed software |
| [18:08:39] | SpeedEvil: | quite |
| [18:08:50] | NextToNothing: | As far as I can tell, the firmware is used on multiple TVs.. It's a Matsui tv, but the Logik TVs also have the exact same (at least front end wise) firmware on because they're both DSG Retail brands (Currys, PCWorld etc) |
| [18:08:53] | SpeedEvil: | some devices will let you upload for ware |
| [18:09:00] | SpeedEvil: | firmware |
| [18:10:10] | wagnerrp: | sure, but most devices that do that will only accept firmware signed by the manufacturer |
| [18:10:58] | SpeedEvil: | varies. |
| [18:11:10] | SpeedEvil: | requiring signature is common. |
| [18:14:06] | NextToNothing: | Hm.. |
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| [19:08:55] | bertaboy: | can somebody test the tmdb3.py script for me? when I try fetching information for Lord of the Rings: Two Towers, I get an error stating "Required argument 'month' (pos2) not found" |
| [19:09:00] | bertaboy: | command is: /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb3.py -l en -D 121 |
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| [19:11:17] | bertaboy: | If somebody can confirm, I'll go ahead and post a bug |
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| [19:44:07] | Hydr0p0nX: | what version of myth? |
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| [19:48:23] | Hydr0p0nX: | seems to work for me |
| [19:48:27] | Hydr0p0nX: | on .26-fixes |
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| [20:07:37] | davidbrooke: | is there a way to save a recording rule so I can re-use it without having to selecting all the criteria? |
| [20:07:42] | davidbrooke: | for .27? |
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| [20:10:23] | [R]: | huh? |
| [20:10:28] | [R]: | rules dont disapear... |
| [20:10:45] | wagnerrp: | i think he means he wants to use all the same options, but a different title or something |
| [20:10:53] | wagnerrp: | he wants to make a rule template |
| [20:11:04] | Kwisher: | anyone well versed in custom xorg config? |
| [20:19:33] | wagnerrp: | bertaboy: see ticket |
| [20:30:05] | davidbrooke: | wagnerrp, yes that is what I want...save the options selected to apply to future recordings |
| [20:30:26] | wagnerrp: | yes, rule templates |
| [20:30:26] | davidbrooke: | so it is a one or two step process |
| [20:32:56] | wagnerrp: | i know we have rule templates, but i've honestly never used them before, so i'm not quite sure where they are |
| [20:34:00] | davidbrooke: | me either...looking now but no luck yet |
| [20:36:24] | davidbrooke: | here it is changeset 71c65ba67 |
| [20:36:51] | wagnerrp: | go into the recording rules, hit 'm', and new template |
| [20:40:24] | davidbrooke: | ty |
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| [20:40:51] | wagnerrp: | but after you make one... i haven't figure out how to apply it |
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| [21:05:48] | ahow628: | I booted up yesterday and got a mythbackend error and something about "out of memory". Since then, my frontend won't connect unless I run "mythbackend -d" from CLI. I have verbose logs, but can switch if there is a better log level. |
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| [21:07:35] | Baylink: | QUERY: Did we ever add a way to manually delete Input Connections in setup? (Secondary: why doesn't "delete a capture cards do this automatically? :-) |
| [21:07:37] | wagnerrp: | buy more memory? |
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| [21:08:23] | ahow628: | wagnerrp: I've got 4gb. It doesn't throw and error if I start the daemon manually. |
| [21:08:34] | wagnerrp: | any swap? |
| [21:08:42] | wagnerrp: | maybe something else is eating up gobs of memory on boot |
| [21:09:00] | Baylink: | (I looked in the db, and cardinput (the place I'd expect those to live) has 0 rows.) |
| [21:09:10] | wagnerrp: | Baylink: you can map the input connection to "(None)" |
| [21:09:23] | wagnerrp: | and deleting a capture card should delete its associated inputs |
| [21:09:58] | Baylink: | Well, it appears it didn't; new mobo, fewer cards, did delete all and readded just now and have inputs still for video3, which I no longer have installed or defined. |
| [21:11:07] | Baylink: | Apologies, wagnerrp; I'm apparently blind. No, it really does only show 0 1 and 2 in Inputs. My apologies. |
| [21:11:17] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [21:11:42] | Baylink: | Now to figure out how to get Xorg to ignore the 1080i modeline my TV lies about, so I can have a 720p that looks decent. |
| [21:11:48] | Baylink: | First time on HDMI |
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| [21:12:07] | ahow628: | wagnerrp: Currently Handbrake is using the most at 6%. I wasn't running that when I got the error. I don't even know if the out of memory and the backend failing to start are even related or fi they just happened at the same time. |
| [21:12:28] | ahow628: | wagnerrp: And yes on swap (4gb). |
| [21:12:58] | wagnerrp: | is this a mythtv error in your logs, or a system error? |
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| [21:14:19] | ahow628: | What am I looking for in logs? I've not used them although I changed them to verbose so there is tons of stuff in there. Any advice on whether to change the log level |
| [21:14:45] | wagnerrp: | this "out of memory" error |
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| [21:19:02] | Baylink: | QUERY: I'm running xorg 1.12.3 from RPM on SuSE 12, and just switching to HDMI over to a 32" Philips. The set is 720p physical, but is reporting 1080i via DDC, and I can't figure out how to block the autodetected (but fake, and poorly scaled) resolution, and there are no knobs in the TV menus to shut it off. Can't I blacklist that resolution from autodetect somehow? |
| [21:19:29] | ahow628: | wagnerrp: I've looked in mythbackend.log, syslog.log, and kern.log but can't find anything about out of memory. Any other log to check in? |
| [21:19:47] | wagnerrp: | so where did the claim of "out of memory" come from? |
| [21:20:18] | wagnerrp: | or are you seeing it fly by on the screen during boot? |
| [21:22:02] | ahow628: | wagnerrp: It popped up and instead of saying the usual "report to Ubuntu" it said "can't report because of lack of memory" or something similar, plus another pop up saying "out of memory" error. I can't remember exactly what it said and haven't seen it since. I don't see boot because it is headless and I VNC into it after login. |
| [21:24:45] | ahow628: | And about that same time, it mythbackend stopped starting automatically at boot. Now I have to start it with "mythbackend -d" in a terminal. |
| [21:24:50] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like apport itself has run out of memory, not mythbackend |
| [21:24:58] | ahow628: | oh, ok. |
| [21:27:01] | ahow628: | Hmm, ok, I've got a bunch of errors in my apport.log. Including a problem with mythbackend showing in there. |
| [21:39:31] | Baylink: | QUERY: In the Scren Setup (overscan correction), it wants me to use SELECT to swap corners. What is that on a keyboard; anyone got that swapped in? |
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| [21:40:00] | ahow628: | wagnerrp: Since manually starting it works fine, I'll probably just try to put it in a startup script of some sort. |
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| [21:53:17] | wagnerrp: | Baylink: usually "enter" |
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| [21:59:46] | sphery: | yeah, space or enter |
| [21:59:50] | sphery: | by default |
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| [22:00:18] | Baylink: | Yeah; the arrow was way-far off screen, and after I set it, it behaved incorrectly. |
| [22:14:37] | wagnerrp: | must be an old version. we no longer have an arrow |
| [22:16:57] | Baylink: | Wow; it's been a log time since I upgraded. my BE is running, but mythbackend.log is 0 bytes. |
| [22:17:07] | wagnerrp: | we now take the preview image, and scale that to the size of the configured screen |
| [22:17:20] | Baylink: | I have a dated file, but it's dated 45 minutes ago... |
| [22:17:35] | wagnerrp: | also, the only way you would have a 'mythbackend.log' is if you manually redirected to a file, or if you were using syslog |
| [22:17:48] | wagnerrp: | if you let mythtv log to a file, it appends a PID and timestamp in the name |
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| [22:18:11] | Baylink: | This is 0.26, I'm pretty sure. |
| [22:18:24] | Baylink: | I see the file with the timestamp |
| [22:18:28] | wagnerrp: | 0.26 has the same logging format |
| [22:18:42] | wagnerrp: | (as does 0.25, i believe) |
| [22:18:47] | Baylink: | But it has no lines newer than 1735EDT |
| [22:19:44] | Baylink: | 1732, actually, which of course is also its timestamp. Lemme restart the BE... |
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| [22:22:02] | Baylink: | And it timestamps them in UTC. Have to get used to that, since the contents are in localtime. |
| [22:22:17] | Baylink: | In fact, isn't that sort of a bug? |
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| [22:24:27] | Baylink: | Ok, so the next thing I can't figure out is why I can't tune LiveTV. I see a picture, but it's off-frequency looking. Just reran mfdb and supposedly I have an up to date channel table; using us-cable, not IRC or HRC, cause BH Tampa Bay doesn't use those. And 'Y' won't change tuners in LiveTV. I guess it's time for me to go top-to-bottom the latest doco. |
| [22:24:46] | Baylink: | It looks the same on each channel as I go up. |
| [22:25:34] | Baylink: | "Error opening jump program file buffer"? |
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| [22:33:25] | ahow628: | The room status shows 0.26 as the current stable, but 0.27 is the new stable. I don't know who changes that or if it matters. |
| [22:33:54] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o wagnerrp | |
| [22:34:01] | wagnerrp!~wagnerrp_@mythtv/developer/wagnerrp changes topic to Welcome to the official MythTV user-to-user support channel, for MythTV support only | Stable release: 0.27.0 | FAQ http://mythtv.org/wiki/IRC | Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ | Use http://pastebin.com | Piracy will not be tolerated | |
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| [22:34:07] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : -o wagnerrp | |
| [22:35:29] | Baylink: | .27 went golden? |
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| [22:35:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, earlier this week |
| [22:35:45] | ahow628: | Baylink: YEah, like Tuesday. |
| [22:36:14] | Baylink: | Ah. Well, off I go to the doco; I've just deleted my channel list. Hate working under the gun. :-{ |
| [22:36:26] | wagnerrp: | recordings tonight? |
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| [22:36:57] | Baylink: | Not really, but we were gona watch the emmys on that set. |
| [22:37:25] | ahow628: | Can you plug the antenna or cable in directly to the set? |
| [22:37:28] | Baylink: | And enough has changed in the 5 years since I did a setup, that I don't know anything anymore. |
| [22:37:44] | Baylink: | We have direct RF, yes. I just can't be working on setup while I'm using that TV to watch. |
| [22:38:17] | ahow628: | I just thought bypassing the myth setup altogehter while watching the emmy's might be an option. |
| [22:38:41] | Baylink: | Yeah, except that the season starts tomorrow. |
| [22:38:44] | ** croccydile quietly crawls back in ** | |
| [22:38:51] | ahow628: | Ah, gotcha. |
| [22:38:55] | Baylink: | The box has been down 7 or 8 weeks, hard. |
| [22:39:15] | Baylink: | The Sister Shotgun Factor is at about 12 gauge, heading for 10. |
| [22:39:51] | Baylink: | Shouldn't "fetching lineups" from DD populate my channel list? |
| [22:40:28] | wagnerrp: | only if you're using an analog or cablecard tuner |
| [22:40:47] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct does not have sufficient information for mythtv to tune digital channels |
| [22:41:11] | Baylink: | WinTV PVRs off analog cable. |
| [22:41:29] | Baylink: | a 250, and a 500. |
| [22:41:42] | wagnerrp: | then yes, you should be able to pull a lineup from SD |
| [22:41:57] | Baylink: | fetching does not, and doing a channel scan in the editor isn't *either*; no channels found on any of 3 tuners. |
| [22:42:19] | Baylink: | How odd. |
| [22:42:22] | ahow628: | Really? Mine did on clear qam but pulled the regular version instead of the HD version. Had to manually get the channel ids. |
| [22:42:29] | ahow628: | Or am I confused? |
| [22:42:34] | Baylink: | Yup, nothin. |
| [22:42:42] | Baylink: | And these are off the same splitter as the TV. |
| [22:42:55] | wagnerrp: | if you had to manually get the channel ids, then you scanned |
| [22:43:23] | wagnerrp: | scanning analog channels on a 250 *should* work, but i couldn't tell you the last time anyone has tried it |
| [22:43:26] | ahow628: | Oh. |
| [22:43:30] | Baylink: | I only did the scan as a backstop; I expected fetch to populate the channel list, and it didn't. |
| [22:43:31] | wagnerrp: | since everyone normally just pulls from SD |
| [22:43:37] | Baylink: | As we do. |
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| [22:44:42] | ahow628: | Thanks for your input, wagnerrp. Appreciate it. |
| [22:44:58] | wagnerrp: | baylink: this is a recent version of 0.26? not a release version? |
| [22:45:10] | Baylink: | It was... |
| [22:45:12] | wagnerrp: | there was an issue where we had a 10 second timeout on lineup downloads |
| [22:45:14] | wagnerrp: | and i was timing out |
| [22:45:18] | wagnerrp: | *it |
| [22:46:22] | Baylink: | mythtv-0_26-backend-0.26.0–7.3.i586 from a set of RPMs that i don't remember where I got em just now. --only-update-channels appears to have fixed my problem. |
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| [22:47:20] | Baylink: | Yes; running it from the command line reloaded. Lessee if that fixed my tuning problem too (they were inherited from a DB upgrade from .23) |
| [22:49:42] | wagnerrp: | gah... so much spam |
| [22:51:02] | Baylink: | Ok. That got me a new, and current channel lineup (they recently swapped ch 10 back onto ch 10, from 12 — do *not* ask :-)... but every channel is identifiably the right channel, but looks like scrambled pay TV used to. I'm on us-cable as I believe I'm supposed to be (it was the same on 'default'). |
| [22:51:16] | Baylink: | And the TV on the same splitter can tune the channels. |
| [22:51:46] | wagnerrp: | ground loop? |
| [22:52:23] | Baylink: | Not impossible, but no one (is supposed to have) touched any of the cabling, and both TVs in the house seem ok. |
| [22:54:09] | Baylink: | I just checked the splitter (a 4-way, gold plated), and confirmed the connections are all wrench-tight, as I'd left them. |
| [22:54:31] | Baylink: | One isn't connected to anything just now, but that oughtn't knock things *this* far outta whack, |
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| [22:57:46] | wagnerrp: | especially not on cable, considering how much they tend to amp that signal |
| [22:59:25] | Baylink: | Yup. This feels like bad tuning, but I can't figure out why. Can I manually fine tune these days in Live? |
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| [23:00:29] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [23:05:22] | Baylink: | Aw, Ick. My program grid is all "Unknown". Clearly, I have larger problems. |
| [23:05:52] | wagnerrp: | did you ever rerun mythfilldatabase to pull guide data after you told it to just pull channels? |
| [23:06:40] | Baylink: | I had run it and pulled 14 days, about 20 minutes earlier, and Guide Status sez I have data. |
| [23:06:45] | Baylink: | Oh, |
| [23:06:50] | Baylink: | xmltvid mismatches? |
| [23:06:55] | Baylink: | I'll go run it again. |
| [23:07:23] | Baylink: | Do I need a "clean everything out" flag? |
| [23:07:32] | wagnerrp: | no, just run --dd-grab-all |
| [23:07:49] | Baylink: | k |
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| [23:08:11] | wagnerrp: | it does the whole thing in one shot, and is the recommended way of doing it |
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| [23:09:00] | Baylink: | Got it. |
| [23:09:39] | ** croccydile fiddles with things in a silly manner ** | |
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| [23:10:10] | Baylink: | Alas, it appears not to have helped any. Program grid stilm empty. Got channels, but no shows. |
| [23:10:33] | wagnerrp: | it should take more than two minutes to run |
| [23:10:41] | Baylink: | Hmmm... |
| [23:11:06] | Baylink: | "Grab complete. Actual data from 2013-09–15T23:59:00Z to 2013-09–15T23:59:01Z (UTC)" |
| [23:11:13] | Baylink: | iz oops, no? |
| [23:11:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that doesn't look right |
| [23:11:40] | Baylink: | Why it only marked 71 first and last showings, intead of 20k someodd |
| [23:12:48] | Baylink: | Running without graball now. Seems to be getting each day |
| [23:12:54] | Baylink: | (from the logs) |
| [23:13:43] | wagnerrp: | i'm too tired for it to be 7pm |
| [23:13:54] | Baylink: | Yeah, I know; right? And I got sleep last night too... |
| [23:15:21] | croccydile: | 100gb left on my storage disk ;_; |
| [23:15:23] | Baylink: | No, that, too, only found 71 first/lasts as opposed to the 20,000someodd I got earlier tonight when I did this. |
| [23:15:39] | Baylink: | pants pants pants pants pants... |
| [23:16:12] | Baylink: | I think I know what's wrong here. And if so, it's stupid. BRB. |
| [23:17:29] | Baylink: | Nope, guess not. |
| [23:18:01] | Baylink: | Phuque. |
| [23:19:50] | croccydile: | Well at least my mpeg2 transcode to h264 is working now, for ones without commercial cuts |
| [23:19:51] | wagnerrp: | so i've been recording under the dome, but haven't watched anything but the first episode |
| [23:19:54] | Baylink: | I don't know if this is pertinent, but the system knows I have 3 tuners on 2 cards, and yet 'Y' does *nothing*. |
| [23:19:54] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like a delete |
| [23:20:08] | Baylink: | me? |
| [23:20:16] | wagnerrp: | you? |
| [23:20:24] | Baylink: | It says it unpacked about 2MB of data for each day... |
| [23:20:34] | Baylink: | Oh. |
| [23:20:44] | Baylink: | "haven't watched anything" sounds like a "delete". |
| [23:20:52] | Baylink: | Sorry. |
| [23:21:09] | wagnerrp: | i mean the reviews seem to indicate i'm not going to miss anything worthwhile if i delete it |
| [23:22:31] | croccydile: | wagnerrp: I havent looked at using mythtranscode with the frameserver yet, im worried about those decoding errors for now |
| [23:22:36] | Baylink: | Yeah |
| [23:22:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it was ok for summer tv, but not great |
| [23:23:54] | wagnerrp: | what was the other one... crossing lines? |
| [23:25:28] | wagnerrp: | watched a couple episodes, seems a fairly average cop show |
| [23:29:20] | ** croccydile demands more disk space now ** | |
| [23:29:51] | ** wagnerrp recently upgraded to 23TB (advertised) ** | |
| [23:29:58] | croccydile: | O_o |
| [23:30:16] | croccydile: | I remember when I had mythtv in 2005, 250gb was my storage |
| [23:30:30] | wagnerrp: | 3TBx5+2 array, plus another four loose 2TB drives |
| [23:33:15] | croccydile: | Damn all I have is a 2TB disk for now |
| [23:33:39] | croccydile: | I guess when you have a lot of space, you find something to fill it with |
| [23:33:45] | croccydile: | Here its all modern marvels and how its made :p |
| [23:34:21] | wagnerrp: | here it's half a decade of archived HD recordings, and a bunch of DVD and bluray images |
| [23:35:59] | Baylink: | It's Isaac's Corollary to Parkinson's Law, yes: Recordings expand to deplete the available space. |
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| [23:36:53] | wagnerrp: | well that 15TB replaces a previous 5.25TB |
| [23:36:55] | Baylink: | I'm looking at an HP dl180g6 as a backend; it has 12 SAS/SATA holes on the front, in 2U; I just need to make sure the controller firmware will take larger than a 1T drive. |
| [23:36:59] | wagnerrp: | so i've got plenty of room for a while |
| [23:37:21] | Baylink: | Their otherwise excellent MSA20 shelf will only allow a 2TB RAID volume, which sucks. |
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| [23:38:42] | wagnerrp: | mine is just homebrew |
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| [23:38:53] | wagnerrp: | one of these and a bunch of cheap hotswap bays... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816118142 |
| [23:39:01] | Baylink: | Yeah; I just figure they're pretty good at power and cooling. |
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| [23:46:19] | croccydile: | Damn dude |
| [23:46:28] | croccydile: | I just have my mini-itx with a bunch of drives |
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| [23:46:58] | croccydile: | I guess ill clear off this 3TB and stick that one in >_> |
| [23:47:01] | Baylink: | I wonder if these could be IVTV tunertype problems; one of my three tuners is coming up with an unknown PCI ID. |
| [23:47:16] | croccydile: | Oh no! :c |
| [23:48:21] | wagnerrp: | mini-itx? |
| [23:48:30] | ** wagnerrp chuckles... http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/Produc . . . 2-551-01.jpg ** | |
| [23:49:21] | Baylink: | Nope; it's a full-size ASUS AM3+ board. 2PCI and 4 PCIe of various sizes. |
| [23:49:23] | croccydile: | One moment please |
| [23:49:32] | wagnerrp: | i do have a mini-itx board for one of my frontends |
| [23:49:53] | wagnerrp: | as you can see, mythtv tends to be a money sink if you let it |
| [23:49:54] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [23:50:16] | croccydile: | I dont have a very good shot of mine, and this is old https://www.dropbox.com/s/3p9fymg06sgad98/DSC_0162.JPG |
| [23:50:47] | Baylink: | Pastebin: http://pastebin.com/xmfNvZ8x |
| [23:51:01] | Baylink: | What's actually in there should be a 250 and a 500 |
| [23:51:22] | croccydile: | Man your using a 500 |
| [23:51:24] | croccydile: | I *hated* mine |
| [23:51:43] | wagnerrp: | that's a lian-li isn't it? q... something? |
| [23:51:46] | Baylink: | Ours has never recorded on both channels but I *could not find* a 3-PCI board in town yesterday. |
| [23:51:47] | wagnerrp: | one of the devs has one of those |
| [23:52:14] | croccydile: | Close, bitfenix prodigy... but downstairs the TV DOES have a lian-li pc-q08 ^^ |
| [23:53:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that's what i'm thinking of |
| [23:53:21] | croccydile: | I like the prodigy more, its far easier to work on |
| [23:53:39] | croccydile: | The Q08 is compact and snazzy looking, but I rate its build difficulty was a 9.5/10 |
| [23:53:46] | wagnerrp: | don't have to remove the power supply to do anything? |
| [23:53:58] | croccydile: | YEP! |
| [23:54:17] | croccydile: | That is one of the most difficult computers ive ever worked on |
| [23:54:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that's a bit of an unfortunate design |
| [23:54:41] | wagnerrp: | would have been interesting if they mounted the board on the side that opens, like an old mac pro |
| [23:55:28] | croccydile: | Yeah I think they fixed it in a later revision with a panel that can pop off or something... another reason for the difficulty is the sides screw on with little screws your always afraid to strip |
| [23:55:36] | croccydile: | The prodigy is far easier with thumbscrew sides |
| [23:56:09] | wagnerrp: | i don't regret that monster of a case, but i'm in the mood for something much smaller |
| [23:56:29] | croccydile: | I was recommended the prodigy by a friend, and no regrets about it |
| [23:56:41] | croccydile: | The board I have in there has 6 sata ports (!) so I can max out the bays too |
| [23:56:57] | croccydile: | Asrock Z87 miniITX with haswell cpu |
| [23:57:01] | wagnerrp: | i've actually got a design in my head for stuffing the whole thing in a wall-mount utility cabinet |
| [23:57:11] | croccydile: | Thats not a bad idea either |
| [23:57:19] | wagnerrp: | but it's a question of time, and getting around to it |
| [23:58:22] | croccydile: | Yeah I had been on leave from work with an injury, so thats the only way ive gotten all this stuff done here |
| [23:58:26] | Baylink: | Well, Emmys. Back on this fix tomorrow. |
| [23:58:33] | croccydile: | Since I had to move and get new furniture and stuffs |
| [23:58:47] | wagnerrp: | build it like a rackmount case, bolted to the wall front down |
| [23:58:55] | Baylink: | Thanks wagnerrp. |
| [23:58:59] | wagnerrp: | hard drives on the bottom with a bunch of fans, blowing up |
| [23:59:04] | wagnerrp: | later |
| [23:59:07] | croccydile: | This is a fairly recent one of my battlestation https://www.dropbox.com/s/b79ahggh7j8ban2/DSC_0224.JPG |
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