MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

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Current users (147):

adante, allesmueller, aloril, amizraa, AndyCap, antgel_, Azelphur, baggy, Beirdo, benc_, Bhaal, biffhero, bill6502, BLZbubba_, bobp127001, brfransen, caelor, Captain_Murdoch, Casper0082, cesman, ChanServ, clever, Cougar, croccydile, croppa, Cubber_, dahlSTROM, Dave123, deathader, disputin, dkeith, DonkeyHotei, dougiel, dougl, eee-blt, EvilGuru, eye69, felipe`, fetzerch, fleers, flodin, Floppe, G, ghoti, Gibby, gigem_, gregL, gregL_, GreyFoxx, grumpydevil, Heliwr, Hoochster, Hydr0p0nX, ikevin, infojunky, jams, jarle_, jarryd, jbrett, jduggan, jedix, jm|laptop, johanbr, joki, jpabq, jst, justdave, justinh, jya, k-man, Korny, kurre2, kusznir, kwmonroe, lapion, larrikin, lasers, linuxtech, lotia, Madams9, mengo, Metoer, MilkBoy, MissionCritical, MMlosh, moparisthebest, Moscherkobold, Muzer, MythLogBot, mzb-, neufeld, NickHu, NightMonkey, niska, nutron, nyloc, pigeon, pkendall, purserj, quicksilver, RagingMind, ralfp, raven, robink, robjh, rsiebert_, rumblebumble, sailerboy, Scopeuk-AFK, Seeker`, seld, ServerSage, Shadow__X, Sharky112065, shubes, sid3windr, simcop2387, skd5aner, SmallR2002, sphery, Spida, squidly, sraue, StevenR, sulx1, tgm4883, Tobbe5178, toeb, tonsofpcs, toorima, tris, troyt, trumee, twiggy2cents, ubIx, Vaelys, wagnerrp, wahrhaft, wilmoore_, wizbit, wylie, XDS2010_, xris, zoktar, [mrx], _abbenormal, _charly_
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[01:29:22] Hydr0p0nX: what's the easiest/best way to import dvd's since mythdvd was removed ?
[01:30:14] wagnerrp_: use something like anydvd or makemkv, and just produce an unencrypted iso
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[01:30:51] wagnerrp_: actually, i'm not sure if we support encrypted ISOs over storage groups. you may be able to get by with just 'dd'
[01:32:08] Hydr0p0nX: and import the iso?
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[11:28:50] louisdk: I've upgraded to MythTV 0.27 on Mythbuntu 12.04 and tough my channel icons are still stored in ~/.mythtv/channels and each channel pointing to the correct location in the backend, my MythTV will not show the icons. I've a frontend/backend combi.
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[11:29:11] louisdk: My previous release was 26.1.
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[11:38:39] louisdk: Mythweb does still show my channel icons.
[11:44:04] ** croccydile sighs at his STB turning itself off **
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[14:27:08] bill6502: louisdk: Do you use a ChannelIcons StorageGroup? And, do you know if the path to your icons is stored with full path names, as opposed to just the file names? Mine are working on 0.27.
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[17:56:20] louisdk: bill6502, yes they're stored with full paths. I don't look like they're stored in a Storage Group.
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[17:59:52] bill6502: I'm looking for a commit in 0.27 that changed the format in channel.icon from full path to filename only. I had a mixture. So I went the SG route with info from: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_icons...
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[18:00:36] bill6502: After changing everything, I still had no channel icons. Then I updated my theme and, presto, they were there.
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[18:11:10] caelor: I'm in the unfortunate situation of having to restore from my last DB backup (power cut which truncated several tables, including settings, which has left myth very unhappy).
[18:12:16] caelor: Unfortunately, the last successful backup is 4 days old (due to other power cuts). I'd like to think that given my "recorded*" tables are still intact, that I could reinsert the intermediate recordings that exist on disk
[18:12:38] bill6502: Ouch!
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[18:12:50] caelor: anyone with db understanding care to weigh in on the practicalities of that?
[18:12:54] louisdk: bill6502, My theme Mythbuntu 26.21 is already up-to-date and try reselecting it didn't help. I've looked in the release notes and it sounds like the format in channels icon has changed to filename only. Will try updating the file names.
[18:13:25] caelor: I'm preferring full restore to a working myth, then possible reinsertion of the last 4 days recordings, rather than trying to rebuild individual lost tables from the backup
[18:14:45] louisdk: bill6502, it works :)
[18:15:02] bill6502: Channel Icon StorageGroup?
[18:15:47] caelor: if I do a full restore from backup, let myth run up and be happy with the restored db, then shutdown the backend, and restore recorded,recordedcredits,recordedmarkup,recordedprogram,recordedrating and oldrecorded
[18:16:21] caelor: and then use mythutil rebuild on the latest files, should I end up with the intermediate recording entries back in the db?
[18:18:00] caelor: (that is, restore the *recorded* tables with the current data, rather than the last backup data)
[18:21:34] louisdk: bill6502, no just jusing filename in icon path instead of full path
[18:28:26] bill6502: louisdk: Thanks, then can I assume your icons are stored under the user that runs the frontend's .mythtv/channels directory?
[18:30:46] bill6502: (in which case the built-in ChannelIcons path is developed to that directory)
[18:30:55] tgm4883: so since we have to use tmdb3.py now, has the naming convention changed in how we should name our files?
[18:40:01] louisdk: bill6502, yes you're right
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[19:03:38] louisdk: A simple guide to update channel icon paths: http://pastebin.com/wqCa7XJe
[19:03:49] louisdk: I suggest updating the wiki :)
[19:08:13] louisdk: Hmm. Now my backend shows them, but I still no channel icons in frontend :/
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[19:18:09] louisdk: bill5502: Path changed to filename only. I now have channel icons in backend, but śtill not frontend. Reselecting theme didn't help :/
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[19:20:21] bill6502: Do you mean a remote FE?
[19:31:09] louisdk: No. I've a combined BE/FE setup on the same machine.
[19:32:39] bill6502: I understand what your pastebin does, however, I suspect that if you add it to the Wiki, it will get removed. Direct access to the DB is frowned on by the developers (very understandbly.)
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[19:33:13] bill6502: OK, I don't know what you meant by having icons on the backend, but not the frontend.
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[19:34:39] louisdk: I mean that I can see them in the channel editor (on the backend) but when I browse tv channels on the frontend, there's no icons on the OSD.
[19:34:56] bill6502: To be fair, I'm still working with this too. But I'd suggest creating a ChannelIcons (exactly that name,) and adding your existing path to your icons in it.
[19:37:09] Madams9: Greetings! New here. Mythtv mythbackend version: [0.25–20120602.0.1.mga2] mythfrontend version: [0.25–20120602.0.1.mga2]
[19:37:36] Madams9: Recorded files are being deleted after being watched. I
[19:37:51] Madams9: To my knowledge, I haven't set the system up to work that way, it just started happening.
[19:38:07] bill6502: louisdk: On my remote FE, I just renamed my .mythtv/channels directory OLDchannels so it couldn't be found. Then changed themes to one that I hadn't used and the icons were there. Not sure if I'm using some cached icons yet.
[19:38:18] Madams9: I've scouted around in the configs and searched the Internet, but I can't find anything that looks like it would fix it.
[19:38:21] Madams9: Advice?
[19:40:00] fabriceMG: louisdk, The path icon is /home/mythtv/.mythtv/channels, if you want see icons in remote FE, execute -> chmod 777 /home/mythtv/.mythtv/channels
[19:42:23] louisdk: fabriceMG, I only have a local FE. On my way to create a storage group as suggested by bill6502.
[19:43:45] fabriceMG: yep good way, I have the same, but the path is imperatively /home/mythtv/.mythtv/channels
[19:45:58] fabriceMG: don' change this path if you want BE/FE work correctly
[19:46:12] bill6502: Madams9: Just some guesses. If the BE needs space, it will delete them. There's an Extra disk space (GB) setting. There's the find-orphans.py script that can find orphan files. You could look in your BE logs.
[19:47:51] sphery: louisdk: haven't read backlog, but I'd guess it's due to permissions--i.e. you're running either the frontend as a user that doesn't have access to /home/mythtv (and, therefore, doesn't have access to the files under it)
[19:48:46] Madams9: bill6502, I have auto expire set. Shouldn't older files expire before brand new files that I just watched?
[19:49:01] louisdk: Created a StorageGroup called ChannelIcons pointing to /home/louis/.mythtv/channels and now it works :)
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[19:49:56] sphery: Madams9: Deleted files are expired first, then Live TV files, then other recordings, but it always/only deletes from the file system where it's recording
[19:50:14] sphery: so if you have nothing but new stuff on a given file system, that stuff will be deleted first
[19:50:23] fabriceMG: louisdk, but don't work if you have a remote FE !
[19:50:33] Madams9: I have files dating back to April on this system.
[19:50:40] sphery: and short Live TV (<2min) recordings are deleted "immediately"
[19:50:48] sphery: on this /file/ system?
[19:50:54] Madams9: Yes.
[19:50:59] sphery: how many file systems?
[19:51:23] bill6502: fabriceMG: What version of MythTV are you running?
[19:51:33] sphery: and what is your auto expire method set to
[19:51:36] fabriceMG: louisdk, and don't work in mythweb now, look
[19:51:43] Madams9: 3
[19:51:54] Madams9: /dev/sdc1 459G 400G 36G 92% /mnt/tvfiles
[19:52:03] Madams9: /dev/sda5 480G 442G 14G 98% /mnt/burbank
[19:52:03] Madams9: /dev/sdb12 269G 243G 13G 96% /mnt/academy
[19:52:05] sphery: I'm pretty sure it doesn't say "3" in the frontend
[19:52:25] Madams9: No, I have 3 partitions sharing space to store recordings.
[19:52:30] sphery: ah, ok
[19:52:32] sphery: sorry
[19:52:36] Madams9: They range from 92% to 98% consumed.
[19:52:39] fabriceMG: bill6502, 0.27 for 10 min, and I have found 1 bug in Recording Schedules
[19:52:54] sphery: so auto expire priority is?
[19:52:58] Madams9: It's been this way for more than a year and it's never deleted just watched programs.
[19:53:06] Madams9: Hang on.
[19:53:22] sphery: and do you have "Watched before unwatched" marked?
[19:53:27] Madams9: AutoExpireWatchedPriority = 1
[19:53:49] Madams9: Umm, where is that setting and can I get to it from Mythweb?
[19:53:54] sphery: (if so, all Watched shows will be deleted first, according to method selected, before /any/ unwatched shows are deleted, regardless of their auto-expire priority
[19:54:04] sphery: AutoExpireWatchedPriority
[19:54:05] bill6502: fabriceMG: OK, same here. I do have a private copy of icons for mythweb, because the Wiki says it doesn't honor ChannelIcons (actually 0.28-pre.)
[19:54:12] sphery: is whether watched is set
[19:54:14] sphery: and you have it
[19:54:29] louisdk: FabericeMG: Well it does work in MythWeb. Mythweb have icons placed in /var/mythtv/channels. Should I move icons to /home/mythtv/ to insure it'll work in the future if I get an extra fronted etc.?
[19:54:41] sphery: which means that if you watch something 1hr old, and you have no other watched shows on the file system, it will next expire that show you watched
[19:54:59] sphery: note, also, "Watched before unwatched" defaults to false
[19:55:05] sphery: what's your AutoExpireMethod
[19:55:23] Madams9: AutoExpireMethod = 1
[19:55:29] sphery: that says oldest first
[19:55:51] sphery: so, it will delete the oldest watched shows first, then when no shows are watched, will delete the oldest unwatched recordings
[19:56:08] sphery: so, perhaps you want to disable "Watched before unwatched"
[19:56:13] Madams9: Which is the way it *was* working.
[19:56:23] Madams9: Again, where is watched before unwatched?
[19:56:31] sphery: AutoExpireWatchedPriority
[19:56:45] Madams9: Change that to 0, yes?
[19:56:57] sphery: change it to unticked in the frontend
[19:57:30] sphery: (If you're going to directly edit data, I'll let you figure out what value is right :)
[19:57:42] Madams9: I can't set it to 0 in Mythweb --> settings?
[19:57:55] fabriceMG: bill6502, louisdk, for 1 new installation, just make "chmod 777 /home/mythtv/.mythtv/channels" and it's work in all cases (mythweb, local frontend , remote frontend)
[19:58:05] Madams9: Let me walk over to the back ends and fix it.
[19:58:06] sphery: I don't want to be responsible for corrupting anyone's system when they get bad values in there that are impossible to get in there when using the proper UI
[19:58:43] sphery: meaning the one without the big, red warning saying you probably shouldn't be using mythweb to change values
[20:00:10] louisdk: FabericeMG: Or we could use /var/mythtv/channels ? :)
[20:00:30] sphery: louisdk: something outside of HOME directories is best
[20:00:39] sphery: for any data that needs to be used by multiple users
[20:00:49] sphery: including channel icons
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[20:02:08] Madams9: Okay, auto-expire settings are oldest show first, auto-expire default unchecked, re-record watched checked, watched before unwatched checked, and time to retain deleted recordings = -1.
[20:02:38] fabriceMG: but the code of mythtv don't like this version !
[20:02:52] Madams9: About that "time to retain deleted recordings", I can't read the prompt at the bottom of the screen. What does a value of -1 do here?
[20:03:22] louisdk: Okay. I think I'll use /var/mythtv/channels then. Thanks to bill6502, fabriceMG and spherry for help.
[20:03:37] Madams9: I'm setting auto-expire default back to yes. I want everything set to auto-expire.
[20:05:29] bill6502: sphery: louisdk Right, I was just suggesting using the existing HOME location for testing. I keep mine in /var/lib/mythtv/channelicons (cleaver name eh?)
[20:06:20] Madams9: ?
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[20:08:25] Madams9: Hello?
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[20:10:18] Madams9: Is it possible that these recordings are not being deleted?
[20:11:02] Madams9: What I'm seeing is that they are no longer in the all programs group.
[20:12:26] Madams9: Heretofor they were in the group listing with an indicator that they had been watched. Now, there are no indicators and the watched files are gone from the list.
[20:12:29] Madams9: Any ideas?
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[20:13:45] caelor: they might have been expired?
[20:15:09] Madams9: They were recorded wi/in the last week.
[20:15:44] Madams9: I have recordings on this machine that are much, much older and auto-expire has always been set.
[20:15:56] caelor: the backend log should give some idea of what happened to them
[20:16:22] caelor: but it isn't always a case of fifo with recordings, especially when there's priorities in play
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[20:18:28] caelor: how are you doing for space on the recordings drive? how close are you to the "keep this much space free" threshold?
[20:18:35] Madams9: Well, per the log, here is the last entry describing an auto-deletion:
[20:18:38] Madams9: 2013-09–20 13:20:35.546450 N [2472/2710] Expire autoexpire.cpp:640 (SendDeleteMessages) – Expiring 2240 MB for 1064 at 2013-03–27T03:00:00 => Angel
[20:18:38] Madams9: :"Five by Five"
[20:18:57] Madams9: The recording is from March 27 ot this year.
[20:19:22] Madams9: Pretty close to the threshhold. This system has been running for years.
[20:19:27] caelor: is there anything in the log about the recording in request?
[20:19:36] Madams9: Recently had to replace a psu and was down for a bit. That's when this started happening.
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[20:19:39] caelor: s/request/question
[20:19:56] Madams9: Hang on, grepping the log.
[20:20:17] caelor: have you tried telling mysql to repair the tables? that can sometimes cause pretty unpredictable behaviour
[20:20:40] Madams9: I have not touched mysql (actually Mariadb).
[20:21:18] Madams9: All I'm seeing about requests in the log look like this:
[20:21:20] Madams9: 2013-09–20 14:00:02.745335 I [2472/2707] Scheduler scheduler.cpp:2011 (HandleReschedule) – Reschedule requested for id 0.
[20:21:20] Madams9: 2013-09–20 14:10:32.307538 I [2472/2707] Scheduler scheduler.cpp:2011 (HandleReschedule) – Reschedule requested for id 0.
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[20:22:03] caelor: maybe try grepping for the date/time of the recording (like 2013–0327T03:00:00 was for Angel)
[20:23:40] Madams9: Hmm. Grepping the log directory for that time/date stamp yields nothing.
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[20:25:25] Madams9: And here's a question: why are these shows disappearing from the group listing immediately after they are watched.
[20:25:26] Madams9: ?
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[20:30:56] bill6502: Madams9: "disappearing from the group listing", are you filtering on a specific group, as opposed to looking at "All Recordings"?
[20:31:48] Madams9: Either. They do not appear in the listing for All or in the listing for their respective program.
[20:32:47] caelor: does it ask you what you want to do with the recording when you reach the end of it?
[20:33:19] Madams9: No, that prompt is disabled. Considered enabling it to see what happens, but this behavior shouldn't be happening.
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[20:42:01] bill6502: Before suggesting logging, if you press menu from All Programs, for example, and then select Change Group Filter, is Show Watched Programs set?
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[20:44:50] Madams9: "Show Watched Programs" is checked. Good catch on that one. Didn't know it existed.
[20:45:44] Madams9: If anything else occurs to you, feel free to post it here. I have commitments elsewhere. I will monitor this channel.
[20:45:52] Madams9: I do appreciate all your help. Thanks!
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[21:07:00] bill6502: Madams9: At this point, I'd head for the logs. 1st, on a running backend, type: mythbackend --setverbose file, then tailf /var/log/whereEverYourLogsAre, and then record a show and see what they say. (--setverbose general to stop the additional logging) Maybe you get a better clue, maybe not.
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