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| [01:10:20] | biffhero: | johanbr: I wasn't aware of that. Does that mean that the HDHR is sending the data across the network to the client even when the client isn't asking for it? |
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| [02:45:42] | johanbr: | biffhero: yes, exactly |
| [02:46:11] | johanbr: | well, presumably the myth backend somehow does ask for the stream |
| [02:46:49] | biffhero: | I wonder if it asks for the stream, and then never asks for it to stop. That could be two of them, right? |
| [02:47:47] | johanbr: | sorry... two of? |
| [02:47:57] | biffhero: | two streams. |
| [02:48:08] | biffhero: | My HDHR has two tuners in it. |
| [02:48:22] | johanbr: | right, so does mine |
| [02:49:01] | biffhero: | so if you record two things, and myth doesn't shut them down, they keep coming live-tv style. interesting. |
| [02:49:25] | biffhero: | makes me think I should put my HDHR on a different network, maybe full duplex it. |
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| [02:51:18] | johanbr: | well, the ideal solution would be to have this fixed somehow |
| [02:51:54] | johanbr: | I would think it'd be possible to shut down the stream if there are no clients |
| [02:53:15] | biffhero: | sure, I am sure that the HDHR can receive a command that says, "I'm done now." But I don't know anything about that. Can you check to see the bandwidth double if you record two things, and then stop recording. |
| [02:54:49] | biffhero: | Also, I wouldn't be surprised if myth just hasn't coded in that command, if it even exists. |
| [02:55:13] | biffhero: | oops, check this out. |
| [02:55:16] | biffhero: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6163 |
| [02:55:36] | johanbr: | biffhero: oh, excellent find... thank you! |
| [02:56:16] | biffhero: | wait, that looks like the backend was scanning for EIT data from channels, not getting tv data streams. |
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| [02:57:21] | johanbr: | biffhero: well, my interpretation of the ticket is that the EIT scanning causes the video stream to remain on |
| [02:57:25] | biffhero: | well, I guess it is better to characterize that back and forth as being, "could be EIT, if you want to, here's how to disable it." With no conclusion on whether or not it was actual data. |
| [02:57:26] | biffhero: | yeah. |
| [02:57:51] | caelor: | I have a Services API question, so I'll start out on -users... is it possible with the services API at the moment to do a search against guide data? I can see how to get data restricted by a time window and channel (or range of channels), but not something like a free text search over all listings |
| [02:58:35] | johanbr: | but it seems less than ideal that occasional fetching of EIT data would make both streams remain on 100% of the time |
| [02:59:45] | biffhero: | I'm not certain that the ticket that we are looking at says as much as we might be inferring that it says. I mean, it kind of died with "It's EIT." I see no proof there that it is EIT. |
| [03:00:06] | biffhero: | I would like to have seen "select xxx " to prove that no EIT, followed by tcpdump... |
| [03:00:10] | biffhero: | johanbr: no idea here. |
| [03:01:03] | biffhero: | Error: failed to connect to [192.168.1.4:27017] |
| [03:01:05] | biffhero: | oops |
| [03:01:21] | johanbr: | right, I'll experiment with turning off EIT but that'll have to wait for tomorrow... it's bedtime |
| [03:01:36] | johanbr: | thanks again for the help! |
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| [03:01:52] | biffhero: | sure. later. |
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| [03:55:28] | bill6502: | caelor: <backendHostName>:6544/Dvr/GetRecordedList?TitleRegEx=someString |
| [03:56:40] | caelor: | bill6502, doesn't that fetch from the list of recordings, not the available tv listings? |
| [03:57:16] | bill6502: | ah, misread your ? |
| [03:58:10] | caelor: | that's alright. I'd been looking under the Guide service, but couldn't find anything related to searching |
| [03:58:42] | caelor: | was looking to maybe try implementing a simplified mythweb using the services api and server side scripting |
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| [05:23:05] | biffhero: | You know, I might go ahead and record a nightly show, and have it auto-transcoded and plopped in to a podcast, so that in the morning I have a TV show on my phone. |
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| [10:33:47] | caelor: | could anyone else confirm whether they see the "ChannelInfo" details populated in the GetChannelInfoList services API call? (e.g. request <backendip>:6544/Channel/GetChannelInfoList?SourceId=1&Count=10 with a valid sourceId and check the channelinfos) |
| [10:34:14] | caelor: | and, as a related question, are service api queries better in -users, or the dev channel? |
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| [11:30:16] | knightr: | caelor, definitely in the dev channel... :) |
| [11:30:30] | caelor: | ok thanks, I'll switch |
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| [11:33:22] | caelor: | I posted this earlier in -users, but am plodding through the services API, and had a query on Channel/GetChannelInfoList – I'm seeing all of the ChannelInfo objects returned are populated with 0 or empty strings |
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| [11:33:46] | caelor: | wrong room... |
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| [14:33:41] | trum: | anybody uses composite input for mythtv?> |
| [14:36:03] | trum: | i have spent few hours trying out the mythtv stability with composite input using PVR-500. Mythtv-0.27 simply crashes on livetv. Mythtv-0.26 shows livetv correctly, but on channel change the video goes blank, although audio change is correct. Mythtv-0.24 seems to be the best until now. I am going to evaluate mythtv-0.25 next. |
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| [14:50:03] | bill6502: | caelor: ^^^ GetChannelInfoList, use SourceID, not SourceId |
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| [14:52:04] | biffhero: | caelor: you obviously know more about the web API than I do, but is it possible to do a recording via the web API? I'd like to do "schedule channel ID <x> for <y> minutes, starting at <z>" This is how I want to run through every single channel that I have, so that I can verify that they are all working properly. |
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| [15:18:12] | bill6502: | biffhero: Obviously not caelor here, but the answer is yes, but not the way your're thinking. See this: http://pastebin.com/QirgWigb |
| [15:19:53] | bill6502: | In the Services API (not web API,) commands that change things MUST be done with a POST request, not a GET (which is what your browser does.) |
| [15:23:21] | bill6502: | The above is just an example. The real intent is to use a program to form the commands, read replies etc. |
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| [15:24:22] | biffhero: | I thought I could do a post with curl / wget? |
| [15:24:33] | biffhero: | yeah, that's it! |
| [15:25:24] | biffhero: | So I presume I can use a very few of those options, or look at a tcpdump of when I hit "enter" on the manual recording screen. |
| [15:27:05] | bill6502: | Or watch your backend log for error messages. And, if you start the backend with -v upnp, you'll see the messages as they 'come in'. Or, my favorite for a running backend: mythbackend --setverbose upnp |
| [15:27:42] | caelor: | biffhero, mythweb doesn't (yet) use the Services API. I'm trying to teach myself to use it, but at present there aren't many apps out there really exercising it |
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| [15:28:35] | biffhero: | ok, I'll give that a shot. I'm OK not using the API, so emulating mythweb will work out. |
| [15:28:58] | caelor: | what I'm hoping to do is a simple mythweb-type clone that can show a program guide, allow searching for titles in listings, and then when clicking on a program gives you a choice of setting it to record with one of a number of pre-defined "template" rules |
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| [15:29:46] | caelor: | what I know of the services API has been from browsing the docs, and trying some queries against my myth install |
| [15:29:57] | bill6502: | biffhero: See the code after this: http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . dvr.cpp#n496 for things that get default a values. |
| [15:30:18] | biffhero: | yep, thanks! |
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| [15:31:24] | caelor: | and thanks bill6502, it was SourceID, not SourceId – there's a consistency issue, because the attributes that are returned list a "SourceId", but the request parameters need "SourceID" |
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| [15:35:45] | bill6502: | caelor: Tripped over that one before, thought the XML was good, only to realize it was all 0's and empty strings. |
| [15:36:18] | caelor: | Yes. Other times I've provided invalid or missing parameters, I either get a "false" response, or a 500 |
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| [15:37:32] | caelor: | I've still not managed to figure out how to search listings, other than programmatically requesting listings for T to T+1, for incrementing values of T, and doing the search in JS |
| [15:38:10] | caelor: | I was kind of hoping there'd be a "SearchListings" call, which you could provide one or more parameters to in order to narrow the results |
| [15:40:51] | bill6502: | It appears that populating a client DB was the intent. And then the client works with it. At lease that's what the Android MythTV Frontend app does. |
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| [16:05:00] | bill6502: | biffhero: By the way, the AddRecordSchedule I pastebin'ed earlier is for 0.27. See code.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/286593 for the developer's suggested way to use it with GetRecordSchedule |
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| [16:12:53] | biffhero: | thanks, I'll see how it works for .26 |
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| [16:19:30] | sphery: | biffhero: note that it was changed due to some major bugs with it in 0.26 and before--to the point that it may actually be a bad idea to use it at all before that fix (i.e. before 0.27) |
| [16:20:03] | biffhero: | ok. I presume I am safe emulating a web browser, though? (since I use mythweb all the time...) |
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| [16:20:45] | sphery: | you mean using mythweb to create rules? that's fine... it's just the direct use of the services api for creating rules that was broken |
| [16:21:40] | biffhero: | No, I mean using curl from the command line to emulate mythweb. |
| [16:22:09] | sphery: | "emulate mythweb"? mythweb is the web application on the server side |
| [16:22:19] | sphery: | you're sending requests using curl as a client of mythweb, right? |
| [16:22:22] | sphery: | that's fine... |
| [16:22:28] | caelor: | I'm guessing he means emulate the client connection to the mythweb scripts |
| [16:22:39] | sphery: | yeah, that would be fine--that's "using mythweb" :) |
| [16:22:54] | biffhero: | ok. heh. |
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| [16:23:26] | sphery: | sorry for being picky in the wording--just wanted to make sure I'm giving good advice and it's not misinterpreted to mean something else :) |
| [16:23:37] | biffhero: | yeah |
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| [16:28:08] | caelor: | sphery, are the services APIs still being fleshed out, or are they mostly "feature complete" for now? |
| [16:28:59] | caelor: | I'm thinking specifically about the ability to search the tv listings, which I don't think we currently have, and would be very useful in a mythweb alternative using the services api |
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| [16:38:29] | ** croccydile needs to figure out how to do h264 transcoding now ** | |
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| [16:42:39] | sphery: | caelor: not nearly feature complete... mostly what exists is what some developer wanted/needed for something (meaning, also, they haven't even really been planned out) |
| [16:42:57] | sphery: | patches to add new features are appreciated |
| [16:43:20] | sphery: | and patches to clean up the API and/or make it more consistent/usable/... are very much appreciated |
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| [17:26:52] | trum: | sphery, is composite analog input supported in 0.27? |
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| [17:45:03] | Mephisto3: | Hello Guys. May I run a mythbackend and route it to some kind of H.246 LAN-Stream |
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| [17:56:08] | sphery: | trum: if your supported by V4L/DVB capture card does composite analog input, then, yes, you can use it with MythTV |
| [17:56:34] | sphery: | (i.e. an ivtv device can be used) |
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| [18:02:10] | trumee__: | sphery, i have an ivtv (PVR 500) card which works with 0.24 but causes a segfault with 0.27. |
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| [18:03:19] | trumee__: | sphery, the performance with 0.26 isnt great. i get blank displat sometimes on channel change in 0.26 |
| [18:03:46] | trumee__: | with 0.24 it is working well |
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| [18:14:41] | sphery: | there may well be bugs (in our code that uses the api or in the api or in the drivers), but as we don't support or not support any given cards (we use APIs that bring support for cards), about all I can do is say they can be used with MythTV |
| [18:15:35] | sphery: | if there are bugs, until someone finds those bugs and someone fixes them, those who experience the bugs will have problems |
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| [18:30:07] | Mephisto3: | may I disable time-shift in the mythbackend-config somehow? It seems like my mythfrontend is always toggling timeshift. I am having laggy tv and huge files on disk |
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| [18:40:16] | sphery: | Disable time shift? You mean "don't record Live TV to disk"? If so, that's not possible with MythTV. If you really want to watch whatever's coming in directly without recording, the best bet is to switch to the tuner in your TV, or the 2nd best bet is to use EXECTV (see example in the defaultmenu menu theme) to start up another application that just displays the TV without recording. |
| [18:40:54] | sphery: | as far as the huge files on disk, Live TV files are deleted automatically as space is needed or (by default) within 1 day of recording |
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| [18:46:56] | Mephisto3: | so you say that's the usual method of mythtv? recording live-tv and "stream" it via LAN (to all frontend's connected) |
| [18:47:39] | sid3windr: | yup |
| [18:48:12] | Mephisto3: | ok if it's automatically deleted, I'll have no problem |
| [18:50:01] | Mephisto3: | and another quick question: If I manually delete those LiveTV files over MythWeb. Will they be deleted or only removed from db? (I had such a problem with a not available file, staying in db, where I needed the frontend to delete) |
| [18:51:35] | lautriv: | Mephisto3, the db is usually consistent, you may have suffered from multiple drives where one wasn't accessible. however for sur rather rare case, you can touch a same-named file in the assumed location. |
| [18:51:50] | lautriv: | s/sur/such |
| [18:52:23] | Mephisto3: | well I rm'ed some .mpg file, which caused that problem. To fix that link, I needed the frontend because the WEB was unable to remove that link |
| [18:54:39] | lautriv: | mythweb is always an extra issue ;) mine doesn't actually work. well PHP even. |
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| [19:09:11] | trumee: | i have defined a SG fro livetv, then why is mythbackend saying this, ProcessRequest storagegroup.cpp:184 (Init) SG(Default): Unable to find any Storage Group Directories. Using hardcoded default value of '/mnt/store' |
| [19:14:59] | sphery: | Mephisto3: right, mythweb will never delete a recording if the file can't be found because doing so would result in gigabytes of orphaned files if the file is missing due to a temporary problem (such as an unmounted file system that should have been mounted) |
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| [19:15:52] | sphery: | but mythfrontend has an override that lets you say, "Yes, I really lost the file due to some external force" (such as failed hard drive or using rm on the file before you learned to always use mythfrontend or mythweb to delete recordings in mythtv) |
| [19:16:14] | sphery: | but if the file is there, mythweb will delete everything properly (i.e. both mythweb and mythfrontend just tell mythbackend to delete the file properly) |
| [19:17:01] | Mephisto3: | sphery: Ok that's what I expected. Thank you |
| [19:17:09] | sphery: | Mephisto3: that said, when you delete recordings, they are normally just placed into the "Deleted" recording group, whose files are removed with a preference when space is needed |
| [19:17:14] | caelor: | sphery, c++ is outside of my experience, so patches are likely to be cleanups or obvious things. I would like to contribute to bringing some mythweb functionality into the backend for 0.28, and could also help with improving api consistency/design, but not quite sure of the best way to do that at present |
| [19:17:46] | sphery: | (i.e. when space is needed, mythbackend will delete first any Deleted shows, then Live TV shows, then recordings that are allowed to auto-expire |
| [19:18:00] | Mephisto3: | sphery: So there is no schedule which is deleting that files once-a-day but only when my Space runs against 0? |
| [19:19:13] | sphery: | caelor: that would be great--the mythweb functionality into the backend... I want to see MythWeb "disappear" as a separate application and, instead, have all its functionality available through the backend's web server (so no separate apache/php install and configuration is required) |
| [19:20:27] | sphery: | caelor: and then MythWeb would simply become some very basic web application that just proxies pages from the backend (so you can use Apache's security stuff and limit what's available through the Internet) as well as a set of skins (CSS) for styling the pages |
| [19:20:34] | caelor: | yes. I've made a couple of abortive attempts at a JS driven tvgrid (and have decided I _hate_ rendering tv grids in html...), but have been a little frustrated by not having the capability to do certain things with the services api |
| [19:22:05] | caelor: | my vision is to try and simplify things a lot – clicking a program either from the grid or search results allows you to schedule a recording based on one a set of "template" rules (e.g. "One Off", "Weekly", etc) |
| [19:22:24] | caelor: | clicking on a scheduled recording will allow you to tweak the rule the applies, etc |
| [19:23:00] | sphery: | Mephisto3: Live TV is deleted once a day (or really, about 288 times a day), when it was recorded > 24hrs ago, and, with default settings, normal recordings will be removed from disk within 20min or so (but you can set it to keep it until space is needed or up to 1yr before expiring it) |
| [19:23:13] | caelor: | the aim being "configure once, then reuse the standard where possible" |
| [19:23:19] | caelor: | to improve user friendliness |
| [19:23:56] | sphery: | caelor: we definitely need to improve user friendliness |
| [19:24:45] | caelor: | at present, the services api certainly supports a full program grid (although you have to infer the extents of available guide data) |
| [19:25:08] | sphery: | trumee: you need to define a directory list for Default, at least... all other SGs are optional |
| [19:25:11] | caelor: | but there's no way to search for a program, short of incrementally loading all the listings data to the client |
| [19:25:34] | sphery: | trumee: (and, really, there's almost never a good reason to define a Live TV SG directory list--you're better off letting it fall back to using Default) |
| [19:26:38] | sphery: | caelor: ah, yeah, and that would be /very/ slow (getting a full guide listing), especially for users with many large Video Sources, and quite a waste of resources |
| [19:27:38] | sphery: | trumee: also, make sure when you define SG directory lists, you do so on that master backend host (and then all other hosts will inherit the same lists) |
| [19:28:14] | sphery: | trumee: if you run mythtv-setup on some host other than the master backend host, it will only provide a host-specific override of the master backend's SG directory list |
| [19:28:19] | caelor: | yes. I had wondered if it could be implemented using server side scripting, but that seemed pretty much more similar to the capabilities of the "raw db" side of mythweb |
| [19:28:44] | sphery: | yeah, the best bet would be an additional api method for searching |
| [19:29:12] | sphery: | could be something like the log service (I used a pretty sweet approach allowing to query using any of a number of given args) |
| [19:30:25] | trumee: | sphery, thanks have defined it now. I figured out why 0.27 was crashing. It was because i had multiple versions of myth installed. |
| [19:30:59] | sphery: | trumee: ah, yeah, that will cause big problems unless you do some very specific things to isolate the installs |
| [19:31:06] | caelor: | I think I've missed that in my travels – is it the "GetLogs" in the Myth service? |
| [19:31:18] | sphery: | yeah, looking for the commit, now |
| [19:31:23] | trumee: | 0.27 is running better now. However, sometimes i get a Unknown video codec in Stream #0, and then dislay goes blank |
| [19:31:23] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/0 ** | |
| [19:31:37] | sphery: | caelor: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8e3ed0227 |
| [19:32:10] | trumee: | sphery, the audio continues to work properly though. |
| [19:32:25] | sphery: | caelor: basically, the COALESCE() function is what makes it a cool |
| [19:32:43] | sphery: | caelor: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8e3ed0227#L5R430 |
| [19:32:54] | trumee: | sphery, there is some setting about scheduler (minimise I/O or something), which is the best one for ivtv? |
| [19:33:07] | sphery: | could then be done the same way for program searches, allowing you to have one method that receives any of a list of args and will work, regardless of which is provided |
| [19:33:08] | caelor: | a very useful function! right up there with UNION ALL |
| [19:33:28] | Mephisto3: | another practical tip: how can I higher mythfront's volume using the menu under m? (or something)? (My MAC overlays F11 with some ugly scroll method) |
| [19:34:47] | sphery: | Mephisto3: I'd recommend just re-mapping the key binding... Utilities/Setup|Edit Keys, then remap it under TV Playback and TV Frontend (and, possibly, Music) |
| [19:34:50] | caelor: | I'll maybe try and set up a dev rig, and stumble my way through the c++ |
| [19:35:21] | sphery: | caelor: yeah, I highly recommend a separate dev box--makes it much easier, since often your free time overlaps the time when good TV is broadcast :) |
| [19:36:08] | caelor: | yeah, although I tend to find the more immediate problem is that many outstanding tasks overlap with my free time! |
| [19:36:10] | sphery: | trumee: not sure which setting you mean |
| [19:36:51] | sphery: | trumee: do you mean, "Avoid back to back recordings"? If so, I highly recommend the default (as any other may result in more missed recordings) |
| [19:37:21] | sphery: | trumee: oh, you mean "Storage Group disk scheduler", right? |
| [19:37:49] | caelor: | the dev box will probably have to be a VM on my desktop, but I'm sure I could muddle something through |
| [19:38:02] | sphery: | that's basically how MythTV chooses which file system to use for storing new recordings... I /highly/ recommend Combination or, if you don't want that, Balanced disk I/O |
| [19:38:48] | caelor: | re the disk scheduler – is that a general recommendation, or a specific? |
| [19:39:24] | sphery: | both Balanced free space and Balanced percent free space are terrible once your file systems become basically full and MythTV starts to auto-expire shows (you could end up losing shows that were just recorded, even when you have higher-priority-for-expiration and/or significantly-older shows on other file systems) |
| [19:40:11] | sphery: | that's my general recommendation (for every MythTV user), but based on some real reasons :) |
| [19:40:24] | caelor: | :) sounds fair |
| [19:40:34] | trumee: | sphery, thanks. i see combination is the default. |
| [19:41:19] | lautriv: | the combination rules also if you need to take some drives temp. down for maintenance. |
| [19:41:19] | sphery: | actually, Balanced free space is (now) the default, but Combination used to be (but, IMHO, Combination should be, again) |
| [19:41:52] | caelor: | I'll update mine to combination next time I restart the backend (it's balanced free space at present) |
| [19:42:04] | caelor: | what was the reason for changing the default? |
| [19:42:18] | sphery: | unfortunately, users /think/ they want Balanced free space (or percent free space), because they add a new disk and say, "I have 4TB unused on this disk and MythTV recorded to a different, full, disk and expired a show! How idiotic!" |
| [19:43:17] | sphery: | but, really, when you add a new disk, you should "prime" it by moving some number of recordings to it to help get its usage balanced with the other file systems |
| [19:43:39] | caelor: | it's kind of moot for me, given all my recording occurs on a single spindle |
| [19:43:41] | sphery: | and then combination will continue to provide huge benefits (now and when you fill up all your file systems) :) |
| [19:43:54] | sphery: | yeah, if that's the case, it won't matter :) |
| [19:44:45] | sphery: | Mephisto3: BTW, I should probably have mentioned that the defaults for Volume up are: ],},F11,Volume Up ; and the defaults for Volume down are: [,{,F10,Volume Down |
| [19:45:18] | Mephisto3: | I saw it, but I also tried [] however somehow, I could only get F10 to work, not F11 :D |
| [19:45:21] | sphery: | Mephisto3: so perhaps you can just use } and { , instead (they kind of point like arrows to help you remember) |
| [19:45:53] | sphery: | hmmm, not sure why that would be |
| [19:45:56] | Mephisto3: | I now used + and - :D It was mapped to nextaudio, but that I can do using m -> Audio->... |
| [19:46:12] | sphery: | glad you got it solved |
| [19:46:20] | sphery: | and, yeah, next/prev audio aren't often needed, anyway |
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| [19:50:20] | caelor: | thanks for the link to that commit sphery, hopefully we'll be able to continue brainstorming the services api once I get a dev box set up |
| [19:53:21] | lautriv: | any news on the broken mythweb in 0.27 ? |
| [19:54:20] | Mephisto3: | btw "z" does only work on previously marked commercials |
| [19:54:26] | Mephisto3: | I bet |
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| [19:56:40] | trumee: | sphery, how can i get rc version of mythweb> |
| [19:58:21] | trumee: | i can find mythweb in https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/archive/fixes/0.27.tar.gz |
| [19:58:36] | trumee: | s/can/cant |
| [19:59:30] | sphery: | Mephisto3: z works for detected commercials, too (which exist if you're running mythcommflag) |
| [20:00:09] | sphery: | but until mythcommflag run completes (or at least has gotten a ways past where you're watching), it won't work |
| [20:01:47] | trumee: | is it safe to use mythweb-0.26 with myth-0.27? I dont want to trash my db |
| [20:01:52] | sphery: | trumee: https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/ |
| [20:02:41] | trumee: | sphery, thanks. i thought there would be a rc version |
| [20:04:03] | sphery: | so it seems if you're doing the tarball, it's: https://github.com/MythTV/mythweb/archive/fixes/0.27.tar.gz |
| [20:04:37] | trumee: | sphery, yup that is what i wanted. thank you once again. |
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| [20:07:31] | earthworm: | Hi, I'm on Fedora and Mythtv starts as a service, but it seems it keeps starting and not reading config from my home dir, it seems to be going for the defaults |
| [20:07:42] | earthworm: | If I kill it and restart, it works properly |
| [20:08:50] | earthworm: | Any idea what might be going off? |
| [20:09:37] | biffhero: | When it starts as a service, what user starts it? I predict that the answer is going to be "root", which means it will not be reading from "your" home dir. |
| [20:10:04] | earthworm: | Weirdly, it was running as mythtv |
| [20:10:13] | earthworm: | And this always used to work ... |
| [20:10:30] | biffhero: | really? Are you sure you didn't have those settings in the mythtv home director? |
| [20:10:35] | biffhero: | s/director/directory/ |
| [20:10:45] | biffhero: | sudo su - ; su – mythtv ; pwd |
| [20:10:50] | biffhero: | do that and what's it say? |
| [20:11:31] | earthworm: | /home/mythtv |
| [20:11:49] | earthworm: | Wtf |
| [20:12:03] | biffhero: | that's the $HOME for the myth app. |
| [20:12:14] | biffhero: | that's how your OS installs it. You said Fedora? |
| [20:12:17] | earthworm: | Seems right |
| [20:12:18] | biffhero: | Their packagers are making that call. |
| [20:12:22] | earthworm: | Yeah, latest Fedora |
| [20:12:24] | biffhero: | Yeah, seems right to me, too. |
| [20:12:35] | trumee: | no joy with mythweb. it is giving an error, Fatal error: Class 'MythBackend' not found in /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb/includes/utils.php on line 54 |
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| [20:13:26] | trumee: | sphery, any idea what could be the issue? |
| [20:13:29] | earthworm: | I wonder if something is not set up right when it starts the service |
| [20:14:29] | biffhero: | earthworm: did you update recently? |
| [20:14:45] | earthworm: | I update regularly tbh |
| [20:14:57] | earthworm: | I only noticed this the last few reboots |
| [20:16:15] | biffhero: | earthworm: when you restart it, you restart it as yourself, right? |
| [20:16:25] | earthworm: | Well, as mythtv |
| [20:16:36] | earthworm: | Not as root |
| [20:16:48] | biffhero: | Hrm. |
| [20:16:55] | earthworm: | Indeedy :D |
| [20:17:34] | biffhero: | When root starts it, it runs as mythtv. There's probably a "sudo -u mythtv xxx " in the startup script. here's a question. |
| [20:17:40] | biffhero: | When you restart it, what command do you run? |
| [20:18:06] | earthworm: | SSH over as root, then su to mythtv |
| [20:18:27] | earthworm: | Then /usr/bin/mythbackend --logpath /var/log/mythtv & |
| [20:18:35] | biffhero: | ah. |
| [20:18:56] | biffhero: | so that's probably not the same thing as logging in as root and typing "/etc/init.d/mythbackend start" |
| [20:19:03] | earthworm: | That's the same command line showing in ps -ef | grep mythback |
| [20:19:13] | earthworm: | After a reboot |
| [20:19:25] | biffhero: | When it is started by the startup script, it is run as root to be running as the mythtv user? |
| [20:19:28] | earthworm: | biffhero, I see what you mean |
| [20:20:11] | biffhero: | What's the chance that the script from /etc/init.d/ is also sourcing some other files? Maybe doing this --> . /etc/default/mythtv ??? |
| [20:21:24] | biffhero: | or maybe . /etc/sysconfig/mythtv-backend |
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| [20:23:13] | earthworm: | biffhero, You're right, I ran service mythbackend start |
| [20:23:25] | earthworm: | And now it's looking in the wrong place in the logs |
| [20:24:04] | biffhero: | woot! |
| [20:24:16] | earthworm: | Hehe |
| [20:24:22] | biffhero: | we can replicate the problem. That's job 1. Unless Ford(tm) is listening. |
| [20:24:37] | earthworm: | Ford? |
| [20:25:19] | biffhero: | Ford had a slogan years ago. Quality is Job 1. |
| [20:25:34] | earthworm: | Ah right, not heard that one |
| [20:25:50] | biffhero: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEB6l6YUx7E |
| [20:26:21] | earthworm: | Awsome, 1982 |
| [20:26:34] | biffhero: | yeah, I would have been 10 then. |
| [20:27:00] | earthworm: | I'd have been 1, but the 80s were still the dogs |
| [20:27:56] | earthworm: | How do I get it to read from the home dir from these scripts then? Any idea? |
| [20:28:09] | biffhero: | Not without more work. But try this. |
| [20:28:15] | biffhero: | log in as root |
| [20:28:22] | biffhero: | script /tmp/for.debug.txt |
| [20:28:41] | biffhero: | /bin/bash -x /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start |
| [20:28:42] | biffhero: | exit |
| [20:28:50] | biffhero: | less /tmp/for.debug.txt |
| [20:29:04] | biffhero: | I bet somewhere in that file you will see a different settings file being sourced. |
| [20:29:12] | biffhero: | or you can upload that file somewhere, I'll read it. |
| [20:31:07] | earthworm: | Hmm, doesn't seem to work, it's systemctl now on Fedora rather than init.d |
| [20:31:36] | earthworm: | I tried running that but it says it couldn't run a binary |
| [20:33:00] | biffhero: | ugh. |
| [20:33:10] | biffhero: | so what do you run to do the startup? |
| [20:33:52] | earthworm: | systemctl mythbackend start |
| [20:34:06] | biffhero: | man systemctl (look for verbose) |
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| [20:38:09] | earthworm: | Hmm |
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| [20:40:20] | earthworm: | Got it, /usr/lib/systemd/system/mythbackend.service had the wrong path in it |
| [20:43:02] | biffhero: | woot! |
| [20:43:29] | biffhero: | or maybe the /home/mythtv directory isn't the right place to store config information? |
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| [20:44:59] | earthworm: | Maybe, the comments talk about it assuming a "global install" |
| [20:45:14] | biffhero: | Ah. |
| [20:45:29] | earthworm: | Fook knows why it worked before now |
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| [21:01:28] | earthworm: | Anyone know what this might mean? |
| [21:01:29] | earthworm: | 2013-09–18 21:59:29.108426 E [4051/4150] ProcessRequest fileringbuffer.cpp:290 (OpenFile) – FileRingBuf(/mediasdc/mythtv/livetv/1006_20130918205927.mpg): OpenFile(): File too small (0B). |
| [21:01:55] | earthworm: | It seems to fail to show a channel, then after the fail message, it starts working |
| [21:02:00] | earthworm: | Takes ages though |
| [21:02:15] | earthworm: | I'm using XBMC as the front end |
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| [21:39:55] | biffhero: | earthworm: Does XBMC have the capability to play the mpg file? If not, maybe it is asking for a transcode, and not waiting for the "go" signal from the backend? |
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| [22:20:21] | loganRun: | I can't figure out why I don't have any channel data for the scify channel |
| [22:26:24] | loganRun: | does schedulesdirect not provide data for the scify channel or something? |
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| [22:28:22] | wagnerrp_: | It should. What kind of tuner are you using? |
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| [22:32:21] | Hydr0p0nX: | I gotta figure out why my mythuser password seems to change at random |
| [22:33:10] | wagnerrp_: | Your system password? |
| [22:33:23] | Hydr0p0nX: | database |
| [22:33:37] | Hydr0p0nX: | seems like it expires weekly or something weird |
| [22:33:46] | wagnerrp_: | Mythbuntu? |
| [22:33:55] | Hydr0p0nX: | yep |
| [22:34:15] | wagnerrp_: | I know they randomly generate their password on first run. |
| [22:34:36] | Hydr0p0nX: | wonder if they count an update as first run |
| [22:35:58] | Hydr0p0nX: | have to ask about that |
| [22:37:30] | Hydr0p0nX: | in the mean time, we'll see if it happens again now that i've stopped the nag box |
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| [22:49:53] | Hydr0p0nX: | is there a utility that will do a massupdate of id3 tags / filenames / etc... |
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| [22:50:48] | Hydr0p0nX: | have a ton of "unknown artist – track1" types mp3s |
| [22:51:12] | wagnerrp_: | What is? |
| [22:51:27] | wagnerrp_: | blah... autocorrect... what OS? |
| [22:51:34] | Hydr0p0nX: | linux |
| [22:51:41] | Hydr0p0nX: | on my myth server actually |
| [22:52:02] | wagnerrp_: | Maybe Amarok? |
| [22:52:32] | wagnerrp_: | I use something I think is called mp3tag on Windows. |
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| [22:55:19] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea |
| [22:55:51] | Hydr0p0nX: | looks like i'm going to have a lot of unknown artists for a while longer |
| [22:55:54] | Hydr0p0nX: | lol |
| [22:58:16] | Hydr0p0nX: | 8156 tracks |
| [22:58:28] | Hydr0p0nX: | and 56 of them are probably acurate |
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| [23:04:38] | ** croccydile fiddles with commercial removal scripts ** | |
| [23:19:15] | Hydr0p0nX: | wagnerrp, "musicbrainz picard" |
| [23:19:29] | Hydr0p0nX: | seems to be a decent crossplatform music id app |
| [23:19:31] | Hydr0p0nX: | so far |
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| [23:30:32] | loganRun: | I can't figure out why schedules direct won't give me channel listings for the scify channel |
| [23:31:26] | loganRun: | is anyone else having that problem. it shows it as channel 61 and I have a channel 61 as well |
| [23:31:28] | Hydr0p0nX: | have you enabled that channel ? |
| [23:32:08] | Hydr0p0nX: | works for me |
| [23:32:33] | loganRun: | yes it is redish on schedules direct if that is what you mean |
| [23:33:09] | loganRun: | it just matches the channel number right not anything else to download the content |
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| [23:35:02] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea |
| [23:35:02] | loganRun: | what is the freqid column |
| [23:35:11] | Hydr0p0nX: | no clue ... |
| [23:35:14] | Hydr0p0nX: | i use cable card |
| [23:35:59] | Hydr0p0nX: | mouse over shows 11097 for me though |
| [23:36:07] | loganRun: | wonder where the xmltvid comes from |
| [23:36:19] | loganRun: | I am looking at the web interface |
| [23:37:18] | loganRun: | yeah that is what I have also for the xmltvid |
| [23:37:31] | loganRun: | somehow no data though |
| [23:37:51] | loganRun: | several other channels are missing data also |
| [23:38:02] | Hydr0p0nX: | run mythfill lately? |
| [23:38:08] | loganRun: | yes ran it 3 times |
| [23:38:29] | loganRun: | had to reset all the channels, but seems like something is messed up |
| [23:39:46] | Hydr0p0nX: | obv not a hidden channel |
| [23:39:48] | loganRun: | looks like syfy,tvland,etv,comedy,ae,hgtv,food,family, hall, and lc all have no data |
| [23:40:33] | loganRun: | I don't think so, how do you tell if they are hidden |
| [23:41:02] | Hydr0p0nX: | you can't see them :) |
| [23:41:11] | Hydr0p0nX: | but, you can verify they aren't through the web |
| [23:41:34] | loganRun: | yeah I don't think they are hidden, and they show up on the web interface |
| [23:41:51] | Hydr0p0nX: | k |
| [23:41:57] | Hydr0p0nX: | just no data huh ? |
| [23:42:20] | loganRun: | most of them are on freqid 27 |
| [23:42:24] | loganRun: | whatever that is |
| [23:42:45] | loganRun: | wonder if that is the problem |
| [23:42:55] | loganRun: | that seems to be the commen element |
| [23:43:11] | ** croccydile has trouble with a custom user job :/ ** | |
| [23:43:13] | Hydr0p0nX: | could be ... what's the log say |
| [23:43:52] | Hydr0p0nX: | I have problems with my mp3 collection if it helps, croccydile |
| [23:44:01] | Hydr0p0nX: | yours is more easily solvable |
| [23:44:03] | Hydr0p0nX: | lol |
| [23:44:03] | croccydile: | Yeah something weird going on here |
| [23:44:09] | loganRun: | apparently the freqid column describes the frequency in kHz |
| [23:44:15] | croccydile: | Seems to be truncating something on the command line options |
| [23:44:29] | loganRun: | so that is weird, wonder if it somehow does not match what schedules direct has |
| [23:44:45] | loganRun: | though I don't know why the heck it would match that type of info |
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| [23:45:30] | Hydr0p0nX: | what kinda problem you seeing croccydile ? |
| [23:45:54] | croccydile: | Lemme pastebin |
| [23:46:43] | croccydile: | http://pastebin.com/BDp9DiEC |
| [23:47:46] | croccydile: | /opt/misc/mythtv/remove_commercials.sh %DIR% %FILE% %CHANID% %STARTTIME% |
| [23:47:49] | croccydile: | is the command |
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| [23:50:58] | loganRun: | sounds like I might need to disable eit data, anybody know how to do that |
| [23:51:03] | loganRun: | EIT |
| [23:51:15] | loganRun: | when I set up the channels I had it enabled |
| [23:55:35] | croccydile: | It seems mythtv is passing an incorrect %STARTTIME% to the job |
| [23:55:42] | croccydile: | The database shows a different time |
| [23:55:48] | croccydile: | As well as the file |
| [23:58:06] | ** croccydile notices something about %STARTTIMEUTC% ** | |
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