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Thursday, September 5th, 2013, 00:00 UTC

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DonkeyHotei:

mythfrontend.log has nothing relevant

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DonkeyHotei:

ok, mythfrontend process gone, but it's still looping

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skd5aner:

is mythdownload manager running or something?

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skd5aner:

ps aux | grep myth

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DonkeyHotei:

oh, it's mythfrontend.real

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Blue1:

can someone point me to a mythmode debug guide?

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Blue1:

mythmote

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bill6502:

blue1: If you read the logs, 1st see of avahi is running (so mythtv can detect the frontend) ps ax|grep avahi|grep -v grep. If it is, then in frontend setup, is Enable Network Remote Control Interface checked.

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Blue1:

I am having trouble getting mythmote to work. are there any good debugging guides?

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bill6502:

blue1: If you read the logs, 1st see of avahi is running (so mythtv can detect the frontend) ps ax|grep avahi|grep -v grep. If it is, then in frontend setup, is Enable Network Remote Control Interface checked.

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bill6502:

I'm not aware of any guided. Unless you're running Mythmote as part of the MythTV Android Frontend app.

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bill6502:

It's an important difference, the standalone one uses Network Control, the MAF one uses the Services API.

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Blue1:

bill6502: I am trying to configure an android phone.

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bill6502:

OK, but just the Mythmote app?

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Blue1:

bill6502: yes

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bill6502:

I don't use that one. What is/isn't it doing?

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Blue1:

it is not connecting, despite what I enter for the port. (6544 or 6546 default)

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bill6502:

Ah, let me see if I can find the package on the Play Store (maybe I'm thinking of the wrong one.) brb

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Blue1:

in mythtv-setup I have the addresses local and masterbackend set to the lan address. It seems happy with that. do I need to set up an address in the frontend? I just checked enable network remote let it default to 6546 (opened in the router) – but it doesn't work

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Blue1:

this is not the front end app.

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bill6502:

OK, there must be another app with the same name. The Play Store page I found was this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id . . . te&hl=en

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Blue1:

sorry issues with comcast and irc servers on all networks for the last couple of days.

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bill6502:

Is your app using the Services API? If so, from a browser try this: <yourBackend>:6544/Dvr/GetUpcomingList?StartIndex=5&Count=5

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Blue1:

let me try that from this machine

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Blue1:

well it dumped a lot of xml code to the screen I could pastebin it.

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bill6502:

No need, if it looks like XML.

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bill6502:

Can you get me a URL of the web site for your app?

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Blue1:

just a sec

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Blue1:

just http://192.168.1.103

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Blue1:

next line says port 6544

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bill6502:

No, I mean the site where you got the app from.

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Blue1:

oh...

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Blue1:

i got that off off the google play store

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Blue1:

hang on

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Blue1:

this is it: http://www.appbrain.com/app/mythmote/tkj.andr . . . rol.mythmote

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bill6502:

OK, that's the 1st one I mentioned. But you said it's not a frontend app. But it controls the frontend.

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bill6502:

Are you using the IP address of your FE (or if it's a combined FE/BE it's the same of course)

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Blue1:

well they have a seperate front end app

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Blue1:

yes it says unknown host on the android

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Blue1:

but everything works fine if I use a keyboard

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bill6502:

Ah, my android doesn't allow defining hostnames. I always use IPs.

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Blue1:

right that is why I put the ip address in

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Blue1:

let me delete and re-add the information. let me see if that changes anything.

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bill6502:

6546 is the proper port for Network Control, just mentioning that 'cause you mentioned 6544 earlier.

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Blue1:

got rid of the unknown host it says io except: failed on the android

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Blue1:

yes I saw that

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bill6502:

This isn't a valid test, but what if you telnet to the IP address and port, e.g. telnet 192... 6546

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Blue1:

tried that won't connect let me try an lsof

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Blue1:

no actually I did get something back, when I restarted my ssh into it.

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Blue1:

MythFrontend Network Control

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Blue1:

Type 'help' for usage information

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Blue1:

so yup, it reality checks ok.

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Blue1:

mythmote connects on the android – it doesn't do anything when I press a button....

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Blue1:

the last thing that doesn't work always takes the longest

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bill6502:

Sounds like I best bow out. Since I don't use that version and only know of the one that controls the frontend. At least whatever you're using to talk to each other.

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Blue1:

well you got me further down the path, and for that I thank you.

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bill6502:

The only tool I know to diagnose the problem would be Wireshark (or tshark or tcpdump etc.) Then you can see the messages being sent (or not sent.)

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Blue1:

read my mind

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Blue1:

yeah have to look at the packets

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Blue1:

btw I am http://www.pkill-9.com

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bill6502:

are you on *buntu 12.04?

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Blue1:

no. I am an 64 bit debian wheezy

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Blue1:

Linux Willy 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46–1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux

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** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 **

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Blue1:

that was hard enough.....

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Blue1:

lsof shows this: mythfront 4668 mythtv 71u IPv4 14034 0t0 TCP Willy:6546->192.168.1.3:47358 (ESTABLISHED)

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bill6502:

Not sure I can read that. The ports look backwards to me. But, you're conneted, just that the commands aren't getting to the backend. You mentioned the port was open in the router. Any firewalls?

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bill6502:

Got to get food. b back in an hour or so.

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Blue1:

let me check to see if ufw is running — okay thank you for all your help.

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Blue1:

sudo ufw status

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Blue1:

Status: inactive

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Blue1:

nope I am ok

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Hydr0p0nX:

yay !

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Hydr0p0nX:

turns out, charter doesn't know what their network requires in my area

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Hydr0p0nX:

got the infinitv installed, picked up cable card, sta was included after being told i didn't need one

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gizmobay:

I'm trying to compile 0.27 but I get this error. I don't understand. I'm using a new enough version of qt. http://pastebin.com/ykzZXBAf

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DonkeyHotei:

ok, xbmc as a frontend had difficulty tuning the Music Choice channels, but mythfrontend can't at all, saying "Error opening jump program file buffer"

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damianos:

I am thinking of ditching my set top boxes and going with a HDHomerun Prime + Cable Card. What is the best way to integrate the live TV gear with Mythtv? I'm mainly concerned with the DVR aspect

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DonkeyHotei:

not a huge difference

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DonkeyHotei:

oh wait, by set top boxes do you mean dvr boxes?

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DonkeyHotei:

or just regular ones?

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damianos:

yes, dvrs and tuners

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DonkeyHotei:

then what did you mean by live tv gear?

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damianos:

The HDHR Prime with cable card will broadcast live tv over the LAN

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DonkeyHotei:

it can

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bill6502:

gizmobay: Did you do a make distclean already. Also, with v0.27-RC1 you can run ./configure --disable-mythlogserver and not use the logserver (or zeromq.) Worth a try.

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damianos:

yes but from what I have read here and there, I am getting the impression that Windows Media Center is the only one that can record Copy Once content

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damianos:

I really don't want to use windows

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DonkeyHotei:

i tried to tune a Copy Once channel and it was semi-successful

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DonkeyHotei:

the mpeg stream was all broken up

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damianos:

sucks

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DonkeyHotei:

but i got bits and pieces of it

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damianos:

so my options are to 1: Use WMC 2:Try to convince the hardware manufacturer to do something for non windows platforms 3: Try and circumvent the DRM

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DonkeyHotei:

i think the consensus is that the only way to record copy-protected content is with the hd-pvr card

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DonkeyHotei:

i should add, i have the ceton infinitv 4, not the hdhomerun prime

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damianos:

which one is that? Sorry this is all brand new to me

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damianos:

Ceton?

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Shadow__X:

damianos: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

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gizmobay:

thanks bill6502 I will give it a try.

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Hydr0p0nX:

DonkeyHotei, how do you like that ceton ?

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damianos:

but that won't let me record protected content it says

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Hydr0p0nX:

i'm still setting mine up

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DonkeyHotei:

Hydr0p0nX: i'm still struggling with the software end of the htpc-pvr

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Shadow__X:

damianos: a hdpvr will let you record over component. Analog will not have drm

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DonkeyHotei:

xbmc-pvr has a MUCH better ui than mythfrontend, but it's rather eurocentric it seems

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Shadow__X:

damianos: so if your set top box will output to compnent the hd pvr will record it

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Shadow__X:

DonkeyHotei: for some video maybe but not for actually watching mythtv recordings

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DonkeyHotei:

i've been playing around with live tv so far

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DonkeyHotei:

for live tv, mythbackend is close to unusable

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DonkeyHotei:

oops

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DonkeyHotei:

for live tv, mythFRONTend is close to unusable

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damianos:

Won't the conversion degrade the quality? That's 2 extra conversions

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Shadow__X:

DonkeyHotei: what build are you running?

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DonkeyHotei:

the 0.26 in the mythbuntu repo

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Shadow__X:

damianos: what are the 2 extra conversions

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damianos:

The source outputs it to analog, the capture card takes the analog and reconverts to digital

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damianos:

the source being the STB. The other thing is I'm trying to get rid of my STB

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Shadow__X:

DonkeyHotei: what problem are you having?

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DonkeyHotei:

the ui is just horrid

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Shadow__X:

damianos: if you want to use mythtv and record premiums the hd pvr is your option

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DonkeyHotei:

you can't even get to an epg without going through 3 menus

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Shadow__X:

DonkeyHotei: have you tried other themes

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DonkeyHotei:

three

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Shadow__X:

DonkeyHotei: while watching a show or just in general?

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DonkeyHotei:

the theme does not affect things

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DonkeyHotei:

live tv

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damianos:

Shadow__X: Gotcha, thanks for the info

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Shadow__X:

damianos: you can record those with a cablecard tuner on windows media center as they work with the drm

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Shadow__X:

DonkeyHotei: pressing S will bring up the epg

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Shadow__X:

DonkeyHotei: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings

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damianos:

Yes I know. I've just been on OSX and Linux for so long, I was really trying to avoid having another box just for Windows

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DonkeyHotei:

damianos: the hd-pvr will also tune only one program at a time

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Shadow__X:

damianos: you can use a hd pvr to record premiums but you will need to keep your set top box. Have you tried to see what content you will be able to record from a cablecard tuner? If the channels you care about are marked as copy freely you are fine

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Shadow__X:

damianos: donky made an interesting point. With the cablecard tuners you can record 3 or 4 shows per cable card(hdhomerun prime has 3 tuners the ceton has 4)

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DonkeyHotei:

there is a 6-tuner ceton card now too

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Shadow__X:

does it need more than 1 cable card?

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DonkeyHotei:

no

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DonkeyHotei:

single card for all 6 tuners

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Shadow__X:

thats very nice

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DonkeyHotei:

so, what does that error message mean, exactly?

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DonkeyHotei:

[Wed 2013-09–04 06:39:18 PM PDT] <DonkeyHotei> ok, xbmc as a frontend had difficulty tuning the Music Choice channels, but mythfrontend can't at all, saying "Error opening jump program file buffer"

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Shadow__X:

I am not sure

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Shadow__X:

DonkeyHotei: what type of tuner

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DonkeyHotei:

ceton infinitv 4

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Shadow__X:

load the infinitv webpage and look at the channel status

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Shadow__X:

maybe there is a problem with the cablecard provisioning?

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Shadow__X:

not sure thats it but just making a suggestion

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DonkeyHotei:

it works in xbmc, not in mythfrontend

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DonkeyHotei:

but it takes a long time for the mpeg stream to sync

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DonkeyHotei:

i tried it with mplayer straight on the stream

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DonkeyHotei:

i think it transmits only a single video frame every couple minutes, which mpeg players don't seem to like

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gizmobay:

Still gives me compile error. Can I disable mythavtest on compile? http://pastebin.com/wZiVBvNT

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DonkeyHotei:

mind you, i put a beta firmware on the ceton card, because a forum thread said it was required for comcast

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Shadow__X:

i would have contacted ceton first as beta can have bugs

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DonkeyHotei:

what tuner do you use?

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Shadow__X:

hdhr prime

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DonkeyHotei:

can you mplayer channel 901?

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Shadow__X:

firewire to setop box and an hvr1800

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DonkeyHotei:

from the prime, that is

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DonkeyHotei:

everything worked fine when i had it on firewire

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Shadow__X:

what channel is 901 for you

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Shadow__X:

cablecard provisioning is different than a setop box

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DonkeyHotei:

901 through 946 are music choice

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Shadow__X:

so they can mess that up

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Shadow__X:

i don't have those channels enabled so I can't test it

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Shadow__X:

when you tune to the music channels check the status on the ceton tuner

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DonkeyHotei:

mplayer tunes them, but audio first, and video a minute later

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DonkeyHotei:

they do get a lock

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DonkeyHotei:

just the mpeg stream is weird

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Shadow__X:

when mplayer is tuning then check the status

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Shadow__X:

make sure it comes up as subscribed

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DonkeyHotei:

there is no "subscribed" line on the webpage for ANY channel

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DonkeyHotei:

the ceton card appears to be agnostic of what channels are subscribed to

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DonkeyHotei:

it will blithely tune to a channel not subscribed as well, just won't output an mpeg stream from it

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Shadow__X:

maybe thats the issue? What I am trying to get at is if the cablecard isn't provisioned correctly you can have those problems

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Shadow__X:

and xbmc may be handling the stream better. I am not sure either way

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croccydile:

Has anyone done commercial removal with mythtranscode

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Shadow__X:

croccydile: you have to enable the cut list when editing the video

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Shadow__X:

then run it through myth transcode and select default or auto detect

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croccydile:

Well more like batch removal :o

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croccydile:

Hrm...

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DonkeyHotei:

Shadow__X: if by provisioning you mean the channel map, that's a function of the ceton firmware, apparently

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Shadow__X:

there is an option to have it automatically remove then

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** croccydile nods and will have to poke around **

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Shadow__X:

DonkeyHotei: no by provisioning i mean from the cablecard

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Shadow__X:

comcast provisions them

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DonkeyHotei:

http://forums.comcast.com/t5/XfinityTV-and-Eq . . . td-p/1337265

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Shadow__X:

and if you have the wrong provisionment you won't get the right channels

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DonkeyHotei:

i have the same channels as on the set top box

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DonkeyHotei:

i verified that

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DonkeyHotei:

just one of them won't tune right whatsoever, but it shows as Copy Once

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DonkeyHotei:

the music choice channels do tune, it just takes a while for the mpeg stream to sync

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Shadow__X:

right it seems like there are some issues on how comcast handles it and ceton did a work around

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Shadow__X:

i am just commenting on my own issues with comcast and getting the right provisioning on my cablecard

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Shadow__X:

my channels were coming up as unauthorized

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Shadow__X:

only some were*

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DonkeyHotei:

i saw the above thread and went straight for the beta firmware

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Shadow__X:

the music channels are the only issue though?

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Shadow__X:

because it sounds like your issue is a bit different

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DonkeyHotei:

Country Music Television (which i don't care about) comes in only in fits and starts

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Shadow__X:

sounds like a comcast error but you could always ask ceton for help

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Shadow__X:

every non music channels works fine?

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DonkeyHotei:

except that one, yes

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raven:

how to switch into a recorded program? (all tuners are busy)

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tgm4883:

raven, go to watch recordings

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raven:

how to disable/reduce previewgen jobs?

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gizmobay:

Is there a way to specify where the qtwebkit headers are when compiling 0.26?

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gizmobay:

had to not out the check in the config file cause it looks for a package

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