| Tuesday, August 20th, 2013, 00:13 UTC | ||
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| [00:17:45] | MrShake: | good evening gents... |
| [00:18:22] | MrShake: | I'm trying to add a new tuner to my mythsetup. Its a hdhomerun prime, but I'm trying to use it for QAM only as the cablecard I got is not working |
| [00:18:27] | MrShake: | I can't seem to get the backend to find any channels |
| [00:18:28] | MrShake: | thoughts? |
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| [00:34:50] | Korny: | MrShake, HD Homerun prime can't be used as a qam tuner if I remember correctly |
| [00:38:42] | MrShake: | according to Silicone dust |
| [00:38:43] | MrShake: | it can |
| [00:38:58] | MrShake: | and I'f I do a scan in windows via their utility, I can get chanlle |
| [00:39:01] | MrShake: | channels even |
| [00:39:06] | MrShake: | but not in linux under myth |
| [00:39:33] | MrShake: | there is a dropdown in the windows utility to select "CableCARD" or "Digital Cable" |
| [00:45:12] | Korny: | You sure your cable providers has any clear qam channels? |
| [00:45:48] | MrShake: | yep |
| [00:46:01] | MrShake: | in fact the installer today said "you don't really need a cable card since you have no premiums" |
| [00:46:21] | MrShake: | again, as I said, I was able to watch channels using the hd tools in windows |
| [00:46:46] | Korny: | What cable company are you using? |
| [00:46:53] | MrShake: | Tel-Star |
| [00:47:43] | Korny: | Hmmm they have ALL our channels locked down here that we need a cable card for everything including locals |
| [00:48:47] | MrShake: | yea, he said I didn't |
| [00:49:04] | MrShake: | hopefully they will figure out how to get my card working |
| [00:49:47] | Korny: | you try watching it with the linux silicon dust utility? |
| [00:50:34] | MrShake: | I just did |
| [00:50:40] | MrShake: | I was able to watch a couple of channels |
| [00:50:40] | Korny: | That would tell you if its a myth vs linux issue |
| [00:52:36] | MrShake: | hrm... myth is finding a few channels as well now |
| [00:53:07] | Korny: | Are you in the in the US if you are did you use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silicondust_HDHomeRun_Prime ? |
| [00:53:45] | Korny: | I want to use the Prime only to tune in Clear QAM channels. |
| [00:53:45] | Korny: | The PrimeUpdateScript will be of interest. |
| [00:54:18] | MrShake: | hrm.. I missed that one! |
| [01:03:39] | jya_: | what could cause all recordings , remote video playback using a remote frontend to work, but starting liveTV to yeild the popup "can't contact the backend, is it running, is it properly configured in mythtv-setup ?" |
| [01:06:12] | jya_: | ah, going into mythtv-setup seems to have enabled IPv6 and no one can connect to it... |
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| [01:10:19] | Kwisher: | hello all, i can't get my secondary backend to connect to my master |
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| [04:06:50] | lucidium: | I have a tv tuner which only plays video directly, I had to connect a cable from the tuner to the line in on my sound card to get audio. Mythtv, however, can't control the sound when I pause live tv, it just keeps going when unmuted in alsamixer. How can I get MythTV to incorporate the line in into the video stream that it controls? |
| [04:07:21] | [R]: | you get a real tuner |
| [04:07:25] | [R]: | and stop using a crappy framegrabber |
| [04:08:31] | lucidium: | I'm somewhat limited on funds, I'm making my mythtv box out of completely recycled hardware... Is there no other option? |
| [04:09:08] | [R]: | framegrabbers suck hard |
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| [04:24:44] | sphery: | lucidium: means you have the audio improperly set up--you need to mute the audio on the input |
| [04:25:02] | sphery: | (in alsamixer or whatever--has nothing to do with mythtv setup) |
| [04:25:38] | sphery: | but, yeah, you have the hardest-to-configure, most-power-inefficent, lowest-quality capture device possible |
| [04:27:00] | sphery: | a digital capture card, or--if all you can get is analog--an encoder (like an ivtv-based encoder or HD-PVR) is much easier to set up/use and is much more efficient than burning CPU to encode the video |
| [04:27:19] | lucidium: | alright, that may be a worthy investment |
| [04:27:37] | sphery: | where are you in the world? |
| [04:27:42] | lucidium: | united states |
| [04:27:51] | sphery: | what are you using for TV? |
| [04:28:00] | sphery: | cable, satellite, OTA? |
| [04:28:14] | lucidium: | an analog antenna |
| [04:28:46] | sphery: | are you using a DTV converter box or something? |
| [04:28:48] | lucidium: | just picking up the free signals |
| [04:29:13] | sphery: | in the US, there shouldn't be any analog TV broadcasts worth mentioning |
| [04:29:46] | lucidium: | there are two stations still operating where I am, that's all I pick up |
| [04:29:50] | sphery: | meaning you should have ATSC, in which case, you can get nice, cheap ATSC capture cards that just dump the digital stream to disk |
| [04:30:36] | lucidium: | I don't have a converter box or anything like that |
| [04:31:21] | sphery: | I thought the only analog TV transmission left in the US was "test" equipment, from like a random college or something |
| [04:31:25] | sphery: | rather than real TV |
| [04:32:04] | sphery: | "Since June 13, 2009, full-power television stations nationwide have been required to broadcast exclusively in a digital format." – http://www.fcc.gov/digital-television |
| [04:32:27] | sphery: | guess that means you've got some low-power stations in your area? is it actually worthwhile TV? |
| [04:32:42] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [04:32:42] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [04:33:13] | lucidium: | I'm in Portland, OR and I can still pick up two actual channels. I'm not sure why, I'm fully aware of the switch, but I still can get them. I can get local news and such, so it's somewhat useful. |
| [04:33:35] | lucidium: | If i'm investing in a better tuner, I'd switch over anyway |
| [04:33:54] | lucidium: | so I think I'll just upgrade everything at once |
| [04:34:37] | sphery: | interesting |
| [04:34:55] | sphery: | well, if you go with an ATSC tuner, you'd want one of the devices at http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_Devices |
| [04:35:04] | lucidium: | got it |
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| [04:45:31] | DonkeyHotei: | is there a way to get a backend to scan channels over firewire and autodelete ones not tunable? |
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| [05:02:13] | sphery: | DonkeyHotei: no, firewire is an "unscannable" input in MythTV--you need to either use a good listings source (like Schedules Direct) to "Fetch channels from listings provider" or manually define channels in the channel editor |
| [05:04:02] | sphery: | http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ being the only legal source of TV listings in North America (other than EIT broadcast with the TV signal, which generally only gives you a few hours of listings, and only for some channels) |
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| [05:15:31] | DonkeyHotei: | sphery: schedules direct provides the entire lineup without regard to whether the channels are tuneable |
| [05:16:35] | DonkeyHotei: | there should be a way to automate trying to tune each channel in turn |
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| [05:37:56] | sphery: | DonkeyHotei: you'll need to set up /your/ lineup (i.e. those channels in your subscription) at SD and then use that to Fetch channels... |
| [05:38:36] | DonkeyHotei: | there's no way to automate it? |
| [05:39:24] | DonkeyHotei: | like, to get a list |
| [05:39:27] | sphery: | no, since we can't really tell whether it's tuned or not |
| [05:39:46] | DonkeyHotei: | if tuning fails, we know it's not tuned |
| [05:40:03] | sphery: | and how do we know if tuning fails |
| [05:40:10] | sphery: | the STB is doing all that |
| [05:40:17] | sphery: | we just get whatever the STB gives us |
| [05:40:28] | sphery: | anyway, if you know how to do it, write yourself a script |
| [05:40:38] | DonkeyHotei: | i'm using xbmc as the frontend, and it says "tuning failed" when tuning the untuneables |
| [05:40:39] | sphery: | otherwise do it the way firewire users have always had to do it |
| [05:41:21] | sphery: | ok, so we can tell it to tune something and find out we're not getting video and figure tuning failed |
| [05:41:26] | sphery: | but the problem is what do we tell it to tune |
| [05:41:31] | DonkeyHotei: | there's no way to know what's tuneable over firewire without trying to tune it |
| [05:41:34] | sphery: | without a list of channels to tune, we don't know |
| [05:42:03] | DonkeyHotei: | the list from mythfilldatabase |
| [05:42:08] | sphery: | it could be 2,3,4, ... 21394, 21395, ... or it could be 2_1, 2_2, 2_3, 2_4, ... or 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, ... |
| [05:42:21] | sphery: | which is why you have to get the list of channels, first |
| [05:42:25] | sphery: | you can do that with Fetch |
| [05:42:29] | sphery: | you can then go to the frontend |
| [05:42:34] | sphery: | and you can then attempt to tune each |
| [05:42:40] | sphery: | and if it doesn't work, you can then delete the channel |
| [05:42:50] | DonkeyHotei: | all manually? |
| [05:42:52] | sphery: | but it's a /lot/ easier to just look at the list of channels you get and unmark those you don't |
| [05:42:57] | sphery: | right |
| [05:43:07] | sphery: | because once you have a channel in the DB, mythtv will never remove it |
| [05:43:13] | DonkeyHotei: | except that not all channels one gets are tuneable |
| [05:43:14] | sphery: | because it may be a valid channel that's not valid at this time |
| [05:43:34] | sphery: | because of broadcast problems or "only on part of the day" channel or ... |
| [05:43:47] | sphery: | so, basically, you have to have channels in the DB for mythtv to tune it |
| [05:44:01] | sphery: | and once they're in, only you can delete those channels (manually) |
| [05:44:11] | sphery: | so it's unscannable and always has been |
| [05:44:23] | DonkeyHotei: | is there a way to clear the DB for moving to a different geographical location? |
| [05:44:27] | sphery: | if you want to make a custom scanning script for yourself and you think it will speed things up, feel free |
| [05:44:41] | sphery: | but there's no support in MythTV for scanning firewire, and there never has been |
| [05:45:09] | sphery: | (and there's unlikely to ever be--even if someone writes the code and submits it--because firewire is actually becoming less and less usable because of DRM) |
| [05:45:43] | DonkeyHotei: | the centon card costs a lot more than a firewire card |
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| [05:46:27] | DonkeyHotei: | any experience with it? |
| [05:47:11] | sphery: | right, but the ceton card supports CableCARD, which allows you to use conditional-access channels (encrypted channels that the provider allows you to record, but requires you to prove a valid subscription for the channel before doing so) |
| [05:47:48] | sphery: | of course, it won't support DRM'ed channels (meaning channels that the provider wants to control how you record--by marking "copy once" or "copy never") |
| [05:48:26] | sphery: | so you can only use CableCARD in GNU/Linux with "copy freely" content (generally everything on a given channel would be marked the same, but it could actually be done per program or whatever) |
| [05:48:43] | sphery: | which means it's only useful with some providers |
| [05:49:06] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable knows far more details about it than I |
| [05:50:27] | sphery: | note, also, that the Ceton InfiniTV allows recording 4 channels at once with one CableCARD (whose rental is generally cheaper than a single STB rental) |
| [05:50:42] | sphery: | and the HDHR Prime allows recording 3 channels at once with one CableCARD |
| [05:51:23] | sphery: | so, if you want multiple-channel recording capability, the savings on STB rental will likely pay for the difference between a firewire card and an HDHR Prime or InfiniTV |
| [05:52:28] | sphery: | (assume $4/mo for a single CableCARD to get 3 or 4 recordings at a time capability versus $8/mo/STB... it adds up--though I have no idea what your provider charges for the cablecard) |
| [05:58:40] | DonkeyHotei: | the cablecard offers no access to vod, i'm assuming |
| [05:59:15] | sphery: | not sure, but the problem with VOD is lack of listings data |
| [05:59:22] | sphery: | so there's no good way to use VOD with MythTV |
| [05:59:53] | sphery: | you'd pretty much have to do it with manual recording rules and manual tuning |
| [06:01:04] | DonkeyHotei: | well, as "livetv" functionality |
| [06:01:34] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CableCARD#Physical_CableCARDs seems to imply VOD is usable with cablecard |
| [06:01:41] | sphery: | (last para in that section) |
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| [06:05:49] | DonkeyHotei: | so, it would be up to the host device (homerun, hauppauge, centon) |
| [06:14:46] | DonkeyHotei: | sphery: do you know anything about how mythtv might treat any 3d programming that might come down the line? |
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| [14:47:11] | Fyrfghtr: | Hello. Im currently using tivo to record cable tv in the US. Im looking at mythv as asolution for my needs. My question is how does mythv handle copy flags? My cable provider on follows whatever the networks put on the program. IE copy freely, copy once, etc) next question is: for mythtv is it better to have a discrete GPU or onboard graphics? Thanks |
| [14:49:03] | Fyrfghtr: | BTW, I do not subscribe to premuim services such as showtimeor hbo etc. |
| [14:49:35] | sphery: | Fyrfghtr: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [14:49:42] | sphery: | specifically http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable#CableCARD |
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| [14:50:06] | Fyrfghtr: | sphery: thank you |
| [14:50:20] | sphery: | where the problem here isn't MythTV... MythTV can use the HDHomeRun Prime (which is a 3x tuner CableCARD device) or Ceton InfiniTV (4x tuner CableCARD device) |
| [14:51:10] | sphery: | but CableCARD provides 2 functions for service providers--conditional access (i.e. allows them to force you to use it to access channels in your subscription), which is fine for MythTV |
| [14:51:24] | sphery: | or DRM (the "copy once" and "copy never") |
| [14:51:35] | sphery: | and DRM cannot /ever/ work with F/LOSS |
| [14:51:44] | sphery: | so, you can only get "copy freely" content |
| [14:52:53] | sphery: | if you want other content, you have to use a CableLabs-certified device/platform that's been locked down so that it's allowed to access the DRM'ed content (i.e. the TiVo or Windows Media Center) |
| [14:53:01] | sphery: | or similar |
| [14:53:50] | sphery: | some providers are good about just marking everything but premium channels' content as "copy freely", but others make CableCARD with GNU/Linux useless |
| [14:54:54] | sphery: | Fyrfghtr: as for the GPU, IMHO, it makes no difference whether it's discrete or integrated graphics, as long as it's nvidia graphics that supports VDPAU |
| [14:55:18] | sphery: | (but since nvidia got out of the chipset business, that means discrete GPU :) |
| [14:56:01] | sphery: | VDPAU = Video Display and Presentation API for Unix (= a good API for rendering (presenting) video content on a *nix system) |
| [14:56:39] | sphery: | though you can use the decode support, the presentation part is far more important (I don't use the decode part) |
| [15:03:26] | Fyrfghtr: | sphery: Thank you. I read about vdpau and thats what prompted the questions |
| [15:06:28] | sphery: | yeah, vdpau with nvidia graphics cards/proprietary drivers is really the best tool for the job, now, for video on *nix, but it means you can't take advantage of the integrated amd/intel graphics, so you end up having to get a discrete card (or a laptop-style mobo with an "integrated" discrete mobile gpu on board) |
| [15:07:13] | sphery: | but since the integrated graphics can be turned off when discrete graphics is installed, at least you're not wasting power on the integrated stuff |
| [15:09:19] | Fyrfghtr: | sphery: any advantage of mini itx vs micro atx vs atx beside the card slots? |
| [15:10:04] | sphery: | I just buy based on slots and price and put the computer in another room with cables through the walls to the TV/speakers/remote receiver |
| [15:10:50] | sphery: | that way I have inexpensive systems (rather than pay a fortune for small, pretty, and quiet), but they're smaller/prettier/quieter (invisible/inaudible) because they're not even in the same room as me |
| [15:11:07] | Fyrfghtr: | sphery: I think micro atx would be the compromise between the large hard to find a quality for atx and the not enough slots mini itx |
| [15:11:14] | sphery: | could do the same with a cabinet or closet or ... (provided sufficient airflow/cooling) |
| [15:11:34] | Fyrfghtr: | I meant atx case |
| [15:11:39] | sphery: | yeah, my frontend is a micro atx (backends are atx, I think, for slots) |
| [15:12:02] | Fyrfghtr: | I agree with the atx for the backend |
| [15:12:22] | Fyrfghtr: | what about virtualization? Is that an option? |
| [15:12:33] | sphery: | highly recommended that you don't do virtualization |
| [15:12:39] | Fyrfghtr: | ok. |
| [15:12:49] | sphery: | as mythtv (both backend and frontend) have very specific hardware access requirements |
| [15:13:13] | sphery: | video on frontend and tuners on backend, which virtualization generally messes up |
| [15:13:37] | Fyrfghtr: | as that even with the hdhr prime? |
| [15:14:10] | sphery: | some people do it, but generally because they think it brings something it doesn't (ability to run multiple programs on a single computer or isolation--both of which can be achieved without virtualization) |
| [15:14:55] | Fyrfghtr: | frontend i would not virtualize anyway. just thought about the backend. so not a good idea |
| [15:15:14] | sphery: | i.e. they don't understand the other tools available that provide the actual advantage they want, so they use the one thing that they read an article about that sounds cool and gives that functionality (but is meant for different use) |
| [15:16:25] | sphery: | yeah, you're better off not using it |
| [15:16:29] | sphery: | at least start without it |
| [15:16:41] | Fyrfghtr: | gotcha. i have never ran pr setup *nix of any sort. i have strictly used windows in the past. so all new to me. However, i have done a lot of reading and research on the available options |
| [15:16:58] | Fyrfghtr: | *or |
| [15:16:59] | sphery: | if you then feel you must do it, you can attempt to set it up /after/ figuring out how to install/configure mythtv and underlying system successfully the easy way |
| [15:17:24] | sphery: | I also highly recommend using Mythbuntu if you want a MythTV system |
| [15:17:49] | sphery: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/ — which is the closest to "out of the box" MythTV system as you'll find |
| [15:18:16] | Fyrfghtr: | ok. I read about mythbuntu. Easy setup and one of the most recognized *nix out there for support |
| [15:19:05] | sphery: | there's also LinHES, which is good, but has different goals (it's probably a bit less generic and/or requires more knowledge to change around) – http://linhes.org/ |
| [15:19:36] | sphery: | mythbuntu is probably easier for someone just starting with GNU/Linux |
| [15:20:38] | sphery: | note, though, that MythTV is likely to be expensive (both in terms of money for hardware and time--for learning, installing, configuring, maintaining, and fixing, plus upgrades (and re-learning, re-installing, re-configuring, and more maintaining)...) compared to other solutions |
| [15:21:41] | sphery: | it's a great hobby--so if you're looking for something to spend free time on--but it's a luxury DVR (and doing it right requires pretty good hardware without the volume discounts and such you get with provider systems) |
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| [15:22:31] | Fyrfghtr: | ok. I looked at cable vs satellite and sat really limits the options. as in none unless you use their h/w and generally the system sucks |
| [15:22:32] | sphery: | not trying to discourage you, but wanting you to go into it knowing that it's a Free (as in freedom) DVR not a free (as in no cost) DVR |
| [15:23:18] | sphery: | yeah, with satellite in the US, your only option is to use their STBs to output to an encoder (such as the ivtv-based encoders for SDTV or HD-PVR for HDTV) |
| [15:23:38] | sphery: | note, too, that with some cable companies, that's also the only option |
| [15:23:51] | sphery: | (i.e. if they encrypt everything and mark it "copy once" or worse) |
| [15:24:31] | sphery: | OTA is nice because it's unencrypted and doesn't have any broadcast flags, but who knows how long we'll have that as an option |
| [15:24:51] | Fyrfghtr: | for me and the family tivo sat right in the middle. gave me some options but didnt lock me to one provider. WMC now seems to be dead. It seems big brother doesnt want to let you record anything in the US |
| [15:25:47] | Fyrfghtr: | cable providers put on d/l caps so you cant cut the cord compleely etc |
| [15:25:53] | sphery: | really.. .I haven't followed WMC much |
| [15:26:13] | sphery: | I suppose MS wants to get everyone buying Xbox Ones, instead |
| [15:26:50] | sphery: | yeah, and Netflix and Amazon Instant don't tend to have available everything you might want to watch (at least not when you want to watch it) |
| [15:27:27] | Fyrfghtr: | to get WMC with win8, you have to buy professional then pay $10 for WMC. The new xbox does not really let you record live tv. It is only an hdmi passthrough that xbox can turn channels on. so not really a true statement form MS |
| [15:27:41] | sphery: | I use OTA plus Netflix and Amazon Instant Prime for what they have, and still buy DVDs/BluRays of cable-only stuff I want to see, and it's still much cheaper than the cable subscription |
| [15:28:20] | sphery: | unfortunately I'm going to have to have cable in the near future for ESPN (which is not available at all unless you have a cable/satellite subscription that includes ESPN) |
| [15:29:08] | Fyrfghtr: | i wish i cold but i have two kids under the age of four so getting kid shows is not the easiest with OTA |
| [15:29:29] | sphery: | I really wish I could just "subscribe" directly to ESPN3 (the over-the-net ESPN) rather than having to pay $50 (more than my cable Internet) for the lowest-tier cable sub that offers ESPN |
| [15:29:34] | Fyrfghtr: | IE nickelodeon, sprout, etc |
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| [15:31:15] | Fyrfghtr: | I agree. It should be ala carte pricing. For example. I dont speak Spanish so why would I want spanish channels I willnever watch. BUT, to get the others I do watch, I have to take them also |
| [15:31:15] | sphery: | yeah, that's a challenge, too |
| [15:31:31] | sphery: | though now Amazon Instant Prime has SpongeBob (and a few others) available |
| [15:31:40] | sphery: | though if you have bandwidth caps... :( |
| [15:32:17] | Fyrfghtr: | Its pretty generous but I could/would easily go over it with cutting the cable |
| [15:32:29] | Fyrfghtr: | I will to look into amazon prime |
| [15:33:21] | sphery: | yeah, Walt Disney actually gets cable/sat companies to pay something like $6/subscriber/mo for its channels--almost $5 of which is for ESPN--specifically by agreeing to only allow people to get ESPN via cable/satellite providers |
| [15:34:10] | sphery: | where most companies get << $1/sub/mo for their list of channels |
| [15:34:22] | Fyrfghtr: | Is prime like netflix? Amazing how we get screwed in the states. |
| [15:35:07] | sphery: | Amazon Instant is closer to iTunes--you can buy or rent streaming versions of movies/TV (and they have a huge selection) |
| [15:35:29] | Fyrfghtr: | There really is no "good" all in one solution. Mythtv is as close as I have found so far |
| [15:35:30] | sphery: | Amazon Instant Prime is the subset of Amazon Instant content (much smaller selection) that's available for free to any Amazon Prime subscribers |
| [15:35:54] | jm|laptop: | sphery: in the US, only? |
| [15:36:31] | jm|laptop: | I think Lovefilm clouds the waters, in that regard, here in Blighty |
| [15:36:37] | sphery: | Amazon Prime is $80/yr to get free 2-day shipping on any order from Amazon, plus access to Amazon Instant Prime content, plus (for Kindle hardware device owners) access to the Amazon Kindle Lending Library (check out one book/mo--from a list of KLL content--for free) |
| [15:36:46] | sphery: | and, yeah, Amazon Instant Prime is US only |
| [15:37:07] | sphery: | Lovefilm is basically Amazon's Netflix in UK |
| [15:37:17] | sphery: | Amazon's Netflix-equivalent |
| [15:37:20] | jm|laptop: | and they pulled games from out under us :( |
| [15:37:51] | sphery: | Netflix actually has a better list of (especially movie) content than Amazon Instant Prime |
| [15:38:07] | sphery: | best place to see what's available where (at least for US users) is http://canistream.it/ |
| [15:38:46] | sphery: | there's also Redbox Instant Streaming (which is a partnership between Redbox and Verizon), but I haven't used it... It's the new kid on the block, though, so I'd guess they're still building up a library |
| [15:38:59] | sphery: | and Vudu (which is Wal-Mart's) |
| [15:39:38] | Fyrfghtr: | doesnt vudu support ultravilotet. What your opinion on UV? |
| [15:39:59] | sphery: | I like the idea of UV, but it seems they didn't do a good job of "educating" consumers about it |
| [15:40:12] | sphery: | so it hasn't gone much of anywhere |
| [15:40:27] | sphery: | also, infighting between companies may make it a failure |
| [15:43:32] | sphery: | but, yeah, vudu supports UV |
| [15:44:13] | Blue1: | i can't get the programme guide to come up. When I run mythfilldatabase I get: No channels are configured to use grabber. Not sure how to fix that. |
| [15:44:27] | sphery: | need to go through all the steps in mythtv-setup |
| [15:44:46] | sphery: | define capture cards, define video sources, connect video sources to inputs on capture cards |
| [15:45:23] | sphery: | then get channels--either scan for channels (for digital, scannable inputs) or "Fetch channels from listings provider" (for "external tuner" devices) |
| [15:45:34] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 has the general idea |
| [15:45:47] | sphery: | must get some work done |
| [15:45:50] | sphery: | goodl luck, all |
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| [15:47:33] | Blue1: | sphery: yup did all that. |
| [15:49:03] | Blue1: | yup sounds like the drill I went through last night |
| [15:49:32] | Blue1: | the xmltvid I got from schedules direct – made no sense but I put that in there. |
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| [15:53:23] | Blue1: | here's a bit confusing: then you should edit the xmltvid for those channels to match the appropriate DataDirect channel's DataDirect ID. The proper process is described at. Where am I editing the xmltvid? In the channel lineup? |
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| [16:07:06] | Blue1: | went into live tv, and did and e, and the xmltvid is there. |
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| [18:05:37] | kgc_: | Can any recommend a pci-e composite + stereo audio capture card? I do not need DVB/S. Having trouble finding any that fit the bill. |
| [18:07:29] | mengo: | useless comment of the day: http://www.buydvb.net/ << does that help? |
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| [18:14:29] | Blue1: | i get the no channels configured for grabber I have tried this last night: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 but still get nothing. what have I overlooked? |
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| [18:19:37] | john____: | I am trying to direct connect a standalone mythbuntu laptop and an HDHR3-US with an ethernet cable (i.e., no router in between). [Laptop <==ethernet cable <==> HDHR3] I tried these instructions http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silicondust_HDHome . . . k_Connection but I could not get it to work. I must be doing it wrong or there are some implied steps I am missing. Does anyone know of any step by step instructions for doing a |
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| [18:21:55] | mengo: | hmm those instructions appear to be quite old Blue1, not sure they are still relevant |
| [18:22:11] | mengo: | do you know if your network configuration is working john____ ? |
| [18:23:16] | mengo: | I don't know much about either scenario, sorry |
| [18:24:22] | john____: | Yes. I currently have the laptop and HDHR3 connected to a router. It is the basic "out of the box" setup. It works fine. The problem is when I try to remove the router from the equation and just connect the laptop directly to the HDHR3. |
| [18:24:55] | mengo: | but when your removing the router I fear your removing some critical network components eg a dhcp server |
| [18:25:14] | sphery: | Blue1: No channels configured means you have a misconfiguration in the input connections configuration (somewhere in capture cards, video sources, input connections, or channels)... Those instructions simply describe how to clear everything out as if you had a clean/blank database with none configured so you can then reconfigure properly. If you followed those instructions, reconfigured, and still have the same problem, it means you're ... |
| [18:25:20] | sphery: | ... making the same mistake during configuration. |
| [18:25:45] | sphery: | the hard part is figuring out what you're missing or doing wrong when reconfiguring |
| [18:26:21] | sphery: | but keep going back to "Delete all capture cards"/"Delete all video sources" to clean things up and try again in between failed configuration attempts |
| [18:27:33] | john____: | Yes. But silicondust indicates it will work. I can get it to work in windows with MCE. |
| [18:28:10] | mengo: | hmm, I'm not sure then |
| [18:28:11] | sphery: | Blue1: no channels configured (to use this grabber) from the "grabber" could be as simple as having failed to specify the right grabber for the Video Source |
| [18:28:20] | sphery: | Blue1: or could be a much more complex issue |
| [18:28:37] | sphery: | but start with looking at the Video Source and verifying you've specified the right grabber |
| [18:28:52] | sphery: | (and, assuming Schedules Direct, the right username/password and lineup) |
| [18:29:15] | sphery: | and make sure you don't have any "extra" (unconnected) video sources, capture cards, channels, etc. |
| [18:35:44] | john____: | Here is the reference. http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/hdhomerun_install.pdf Look for "additional notes" then the section [Network Connection ]. |
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| [19:47:34] | willem_: | hi all |
| [19:47:58] | willem_: | after five years of use of mythtv I have recently invested in some proper new hardware |
| [19:48:17] | willem_: | bit noisy because of the fans in the living room |
| [19:48:27] | willem_: | but nontheless happy camper! |
| [19:49:00] | willem_: | now, with a new set-up I am starting to look into playing Blu-Ray |
| [19:49:22] | willem_: | I'm sure this has come up once or twice in this channel before... |
| [19:49:36] | willem_: | I am just wondering about your experiences |
| [19:49:47] | willem_: | Yes I read the article on the Wiki |
| [19:50:06] | willem_: | But, is that information still up to date? |
| [19:50:39] | willem_: | I also saw some words on 0.25+ being able to play Blu-Ray content straight from the disk... |
| [19:50:51] | willem_: | Just wondering where MythTV stands at the moment |
| [19:51:17] | willem_: | Any comments? |
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| [20:11:12] | mengo: | it would be interesting to know how you get on, I might be investing in a blue ray drive before christmas |
| [20:11:43] | willem_: | hi mego. did you do any investigations? |
| [20:11:52] | mengo: | not yet |
| [20:12:03] | mengo: | only read some of the wiki so far |
| [20:12:16] | willem_: | just wondering if there is anyone in the channel who has real life experience... |
| [20:12:24] | willem_: | we are at the same stage here |
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| [20:36:59] | kgc_: | Anyone have any pci-e composite+stereo card recomendations? |
| [20:37:36] | willem_: | all I can say: go nvidia... |
| [20:38:12] | willem_: | I've worked with openchrome and ati — hard to get things working, especially hw acceleration |
| [20:39:30] | kgc_: | this isn't for mythtv, but figure folks here might have some experience. ;) |
| [20:51:49] | willem_: | ah — nevertheless, linux support for nvidia still pretty good in my experience |
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| [21:20:16] | danielg4: | is there anyone here who is part of schedulesdirect.org? |
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| [21:26:53] | gelberg: | hi all. which -v options are advised to debug 0.27 beta backend crashes? i have a profile build and currently run -v general --loglevel debug but i suspect it's not enough – just has a backend disappear with nothing in the logs |
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| [21:50:36] | bill6502: | gelberg: If by crash you're getting a core file, I can point you to a good Wiki. But if mythbackend simply isn't starting, and no logs are generated, then you can look in /var/log/syslog (or wherever you distribution stores that file.) Also, note that if you're on 0.27-beta, there was just a commit that removes the --nodblog command line option. You'd need to be sure your startup scripts don't use it. |
| [21:52:47] | danielg4: | nobody? |
| [21:53:36] | bill6502: | gelberg: oops, it was the last commit in 0.27-alpha |
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| [21:55:00] | danielg4: | i seem to have forgotten my login password, none of my usual ones work, i clicked the password reset link last night, twice, and the password reset e-mails came a couple hours later, in the middle of the night, and they expired before i woke up this morning. i tried again a few hours ago, and still not received |
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| [21:58:11] | gelberg: | bill6502: hi, it's not a crash on startup, it's randomly (as far as i can tell without better debug data) crashing during normal use |
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| [22:01:10] | bill6502: | gelberg: If the backend is dropping core, then this is a good reference: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging#Creating . . . _a_core_file |
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| [22:08:35] | bill6502: | danielg4: It's stored in your database, so you can see it using mythtv-setup or, you can use a browser and the Services API like this: <yourHostName>:6544/Channel/GetVideoSourceList . Assuming that mythfilldatabase is able to login and you're just trying to login to their site from a browser. |
| [22:08:55] | danielg4: | bill6502: i reformatted |
| [22:11:03] | danielg4: | never mind, i just now remembered the passwd |
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| [22:11:59] | croccydile: | new pain... trying to get the mceusb to work >< |
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| [22:16:46] | croccydile: | So much pain... I almost want to just get something else to irblast |
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| [22:21:46] | gelberg: | i have a backend coredump, finally! |
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| [22:22:15] | gelberg: | if i pastebin it, is someone here likely to be able to help me debug it? |
| [22:22:46] | ** croccydile currently is brain damaged ** | |
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| [22:25:20] | bill6502: | gelberg: I'll take a look, but for me, I usually end up searching on Trac for a match and open a ticket if there is none. |
| [22:27:20] | ** croccydile just orders an iguanaworks IR transciever ** | |
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| [22:33:54] | gelberg: | okay, here goes. couple of backend crashes at http://pastebin.com/7jDLkiMh and http://pastebin.com/Lg9zTvhD. i know nothing about gdb, but have gotten backtraces as per mythtv wiki. any advice? very sad here |
| [22:33:58] | gelberg: | bill6502: ^^ |
| [22:38:28] | bill6502: | gelberg: you look at line 54 and 55 respectively and see the address 442d74. Then search for it and see it in lines 479 and 518. Do you have a master backend and one or more slave backends? |
| [22:43:27] | jm|laptop: | anybody using Pinnacle 290e dongles? |
| [22:43:32] | bill6502: | gelberg: The segfault is firing here: http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . er.cpp#n4680 . It looks very much like #11318 |
| [22:43:32] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11318 ** | |
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| [23:11:41] | willem_: | anyone succesfully using MythTV to view Blu-Ray disks? |
| [23:25:37] | bill6502: | gelberg: I'm leaving the office for awhile. Note that #11318 is the only 0.27 ticket marked as a blocker. If I understand the release schedule, that means that 0.27-rc0 could be cut, but not -rc1 until it's fixed. (nice job getting the backtraces by the way) |
| [23:25:37] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11318 ** | |
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| [23:45:55] | Kwisher: | hello all, i can't get my secondary backend to connect to my master |
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| [23:54:29] | gelberg: | bill6502: i have to sleep, thanks for answer, chat tomorrow i hope :) |
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