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| [02:53:51] | Blue1: | I am trying to do a manual recording. It goes through all the motions, but it never records, or shows up in upcoming programs |
| [02:54:09] | [R]: | "manual recording"? |
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| [02:57:49] | Blue1: | [R]: like a vcr recording — set time/date/channel |
| [02:58:03] | [R]: | that sounds stupid and pointless |
| [02:58:42] | Blue1: | [R]: not really. I am trying to ring out any flaws in my setup. I am a n00b to mythtv, but not to linux |
| [02:58:52] | [R]: | huh? |
| [02:59:06] | [R]: | what does A have to do wiht B? |
| [02:59:16] | [R]: | especially when trying to fix somethign by doing sometyhign incredibly dumb |
| [02:59:32] | Blue1: | [R]: then why does the option to do so, exist? |
| [02:59:41] | [R]: | no clue |
| [03:02:42] | Blue1: | q.e.d. |
| [03:03:09] | [R]: | what? |
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| [03:30:55] | wagnerrp: | does it ever show up in your "upcoming recordings" list? |
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| [04:26:01] | Blue1: | I am having trouble getting the programme guide to show up. I went into mythv-setup video sources, and told it to get the listings, ran mythfilldatabase — fired up the frontend --- nothing. what did I miss? |
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| [13:57:03] | devinheitmueller: | croccydile: fyi: there is a history of problems with the second tuner on the 2250. |
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| [17:58:18] | devinheitmueller: | croccydile: Yeah, there's a longstanding issue with the second tda18271 tuner, because the signal passes through the first tuner to reach the second tuner in the PCB design. I can elaborate more later, but I have to do a conference call right now. |
| [17:59:09] | wagnerrp: | mmm... work |
| [17:59:22] | wagnerrp: | i really aught to consider packing up. i'm supposed to fly out at 4pm |
| [18:04:09] | mengo: | 4pm? its 7pm now |
| [18:04:19] | wagnerrp: | 2pm here |
| [18:04:32] | mengo: | well, hope its not an international flight then |
| [18:04:52] | wagnerrp: | nah, i usually leave my house 90 minutes before, and have plenty of time to spare |
| [18:05:12] | mengo: | ah |
| [18:07:29] | mengo: | depending on the time of day and which airport would take me 90mins to get there |
| [18:09:42] | wagnerrp: | wonderful... lost power again |
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| [21:27:25] | croccydile: | devinheitmueller: I take it is only for ATSC, as dual analog has been woking fine for me so far |
| [21:28:12] | devinheitmueller: | croccydile: analog is far less susceptible to the effects of tuner sensitivity problems. |
| [21:28:52] | devinheitmueller: | With analog the SNR can be off by a few dB and it's bare noticeable, but with digital it can mean the difference between signal lock and no signal lock. |
| [21:28:54] | croccydile: | That reminds me of my old (useless) pvr-500 which never worked well |
| [21:29:48] | devinheitmueller: | Routing the signal through the first tuner to the second tuner is an optimization to improve performance (compared to putting a splitter in front), but it needs to be properly handled by the driver (which it is not) |
| [21:29:51] | croccydile: | Ah, well at least 1 ATSC still works |
| [21:30:18] | devinheitmueller: | I'll get around to fixing it one of these days. ;-) |
| [21:30:38] | croccydile: | Im glad that the card mostly works ^^; |
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| [21:30:50] | croccydile: | I just hope my provider doesnt decide to encrypt basic |
| [21:31:03] | devinheitmueller: | They probably will (they are all moving in that direction) |
| [21:31:10] | croccydile: | :c |
| [21:31:22] | croccydile: | Stupid FCC |
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| [21:31:47] | devinheitmueller: | Indeed. |
| [21:32:00] | sphery: | and as long as the FCC doesn't take back the OTA TV spectrum so they can sell it to the mobile phone/network providers, there's always the OTA + DVD/BluRay/Netflix/Amazon Instant option |
| [21:32:31] | sphery: | which, for me at least, is /significantly/ cheaper than a cable subscription |
| [21:32:44] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: Yeah, but now they're talking about making the IPTV providers pay the same tarrifs as the cable companies. |
| [21:33:02] | sphery: | (though it won't work if you need ESPN, which you cannot get unless you're a cable or satellite TV subscriber with ESPN in your subscription) |
| [21:33:10] | croccydile: | Its a stupid political mess yes |
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| [21:33:21] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: IPTV providers as in Netflix/Amazon? |
| [21:33:27] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: Yeah, that's what I read. |
| [21:33:30] | sphery: | wow |
| [21:33:43] | sphery: | I had assumed that would only be the FiOS kind of IPTV |
| [21:33:57] | croccydile: | They want blood from the stone more than one way >< |
| [21:34:05] | devinheitmueller: | http://www.fierceiptv.com/story/fcc-says-iptv . . . s/2013-08-13 |
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| [21:34:16] | devinheitmueller: | ^ this isn't the same article I read last week, but it covers the basics. |
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| [21:34:58] | sphery: | well, unfortunately, I'm not surprised--as it goes along with the FCC's "making every person in America pay $100/mo for TV is good for everyone" approach |
| [21:34:59] | croccydile: | Cable angry at cordcutting, gets their back pocket chairman to do whatever they want |
| [21:35:10] | devinheitmueller: | Well now services like NetFlix are trying to position themselves as TV providers – with their own content and exclusive everything (e.g. Arrested Development, House of Cards, etc). |
| [21:35:10] | sphery: | yeah |
| [21:35:15] | sphery: | right |
| [21:35:56] | sphery: | and even Pandora (radio) bought a "brick and mortar" radio station so they could try to use it to qualify for the same royalty rates that FM broadcasters pay |
| [21:36:19] | croccydile: | Across the board the old guard is upset :/ |
| [21:36:23] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, that whole thing with Pandora is really an f**k you to the royalties boards. |
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| [21:36:27] | mpw_: | Hello, I'm new to mythtv and coming from VDR. I use DVB-S2, have 4 tuners but only two satellit cables. So I can only watch two bands at time. VDR has a feature called "device bonding" to assure that VDR doesn't try to tune transponders from different bands on bonded tuners. Does mythtv have something similar? |
| [21:37:08] | sphery: | yeah, but since I Heart FM (or whatever it's called) pays those royalty rates, it's very unfair for Pandora to pay something like 10x (or whatever) as much |
| [21:38:00] | croccydile: | mpw_: tuner groups |
| [21:38:15] | devinheitmueller: | sphery is preaching to the choir... |
| [21:38:24] | mpw_: | thanks croccydile |
| [21:38:35] | sphery: | and then there's Aereo, which is being sued by CBS, et al, while TWC was telling CBS if they didn't agree to pay 6x the previously-licensed fee for TWC to carry CBS channels, TWC would tell their customers to sign up for Aereo |
| [21:38:47] | sphery: | and many other things like that |
| [21:39:04] | croccydile: | Yeah its a stupid huge mess because well... they can get away with it for now |
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| [21:39:12] | sphery: | which means we're due for some /major/ industry changes (and I'll bet they'll be bad for the consumer in the end) |
| [21:39:17] | sphery: | right |
| [21:39:53] | sphery: | it's amazing how many people think you /have/ to have a cable or satellite sub to get TV legally--I've been accused of stealing TV by people when they find out I use an antenna to get mine |
| [21:39:59] | croccydile: | In the meantime im trying to figure out if CBR or VBR is best for the 2250 on analog |
| [21:40:19] | croccydile: | That is what 3+ decades of the industry scaring people will do |
| [21:40:46] | croccydile: | Especially now that analogue TV was shut off, most people dont even realize that OTA still exists |
| [21:41:01] | sphery: | mpw_: I think you actually need some kind of DiSEQc tree or something |
| [21:41:23] | sphery: | mpw_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Settin . . . or_satellite |
| [21:41:24] | mpw_: | isn't diseq for multiple satellites? |
| [21:41:36] | sphery: | (oh, and my caps were way off :) |
| [21:42:07] | sphery: | the Input Groups would only allow you to say, "If input 1 is in use, you cannot use input 2 for anything" or similar |
| [21:42:56] | croccydile: | I wish I could do something like that here, pick up FTA sats |
| [21:43:09] | sphery: | I know that in MythTV you /must/ have a DiSEqC tree defined, even with only one satellite, but I don't know anything about it |
| [21:43:12] | croccydile: | Not sure if thats possible without a set top box (do they even make a tuner for those?) |
| [21:43:23] | sphery: | I've never used DVB-S, so never set it up |
| [21:43:56] | sphery: | but that's the only thing I can think of that might cover "this tuner and this other tuner use the same LNB" or whatever |
| [21:44:43] | sphery: | croccydile: in the US, FTA basically gets you a few shopping channels, evangelical channels, and NASA channel--anything worthwhile is encrypted |
| [21:44:49] | mpw_: | In fact the bonded tuners do not use the same LNB. They are connected to the same multiswitch port |
| [21:44:56] | croccydile: | Awrrr |
| [21:45:05] | sphery: | so you'd have to get DISH or DirecTV sub to decrypt those |
| [21:45:45] | sphery: | mpw_: look at the link I provided--I really don't know anything about DVB-S, but I think the answer is there for you (but also requires your knowledge of DVB-S and your configuration to figure out how to apply it :) |
| [21:45:50] | sphery: | mpw_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Settin . . . or_satellite |
| [21:46:17] | sphery: | you actually choose switch, rotor, or lnb for the type of device when setting up your diseqc tree |
| [21:46:45] | mpw_: | k, thanks. Gonna read it again |
| [21:47:52] | mpw_: | sphery: I guess DISEQc Switch is the right option for me. Gonna try this, Thank you! |
| [21:47:58] | sphery: | good luck |
| [21:48:06] | mpw_: | ty, I'm off |
| [21:48:10] | sphery: | and feel free to ask more questions here--I wasn't trying to chase you off |
| [21:48:24] | sphery: | just saying I've exhausted (and then some) my level of expertise in answering you :) |
| [21:48:44] | mpw_: | everything's good, I'm just looking around if mythtv has the main features I need to change over from VDR |
| [21:49:36] | mpw_: | another generel qustion maybe: VDR is not really capable of connection the frontend to the backend over wifi. Can you connect to the backend over wifi with mythtv? |
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| [21:52:36] | ** croccydile has not attempted this himself ** | |
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| [21:58:14] | croccydile: | My last issue at hand is remote frontend... trying to get xbmc or similar to watch live tv |
| [22:03:08] | sphery: | croccydile: why not a mythfrontend |
| [22:03:15] | croccydile: | Windows? |
| [22:03:18] | sphery: | and take advantage of all the features of mythtv |
| [22:03:20] | sphery: | oh |
| [22:03:31] | croccydile: | Not every PC of mine is leenux |
| [22:03:33] | sphery: | can't help with that, then :( |
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| [22:05:17] | croccydile: | Yeah ATSC wold work but not analog, which is odd |
| [22:05:29] | croccydile: | Oh well... |
| [22:06:03] | croccydile: | I might be able to have the backend hooked up to its own screen soon |
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