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[01:32:24] wagnerrp: the raspberry pi doesn't have bluetooth?
[01:35:47] GreyFoxx: Are you using one as a frontend?
[01:36:02] wagnerrp: i don't have one
[01:36:21] wagnerrp: i was thinking of getting a couple to scatter around the house, and link cell phones up to an asterisk box
[01:36:23] GreyFoxx: Ahh, I was considering buying one to play around with and that was one of the potential uses I wanted to testout :)
[01:36:34] GreyFoxx: cool
[01:36:49] wagnerrp: we have a set of cordless phones that do that currently
[01:37:01] wagnerrp: but we really need more cordless phones than can be managed by the single base
[01:37:32] wagnerrp: was looking at setting up an asterisk box to provide the same mechanism
[01:39:17] wagnerrp: i was hoping to use RPIs as cheap bluetooth receivers
[01:39:40] wagnerrp: GreyFoxx: the 256MB RPI as a frontend just isn't going to happen
[01:40:09] wagnerrp: there needs to be too much work done cleaning up mythfrontend to fit in the remaining memory after the graphics core gets its fill to be realistically accomplished
[01:40:20] GreyFoxx: There is a 512meg model I think
[01:40:29] wagnerrp: the 512MB version might be doable once someone writes OpenMAX support for mythtv
[01:40:34] GreyFoxx: but even that might be a stretch
[01:40:34] GreyFoxx: yeah
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[01:43:43] wagnerrp: i wonder if licensing for a bluetooth module would have blown their budget
[01:43:56] wagnerrp: you have to independently license the mpeg2 decoder for it
[01:44:53] GreyFoxx: heh likely affected the $25 pricetag :)
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[02:12:21] Blue1: how do I enable closed captioning on mythv? I need that.
[02:12:31] wagnerrp: 't' i think
[02:12:36] wagnerrp: what type of tuner?
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[02:13:54] Blue1: wagnerrp: hdhomerun
[02:14:44] Blue1: YaY the "t" worked
[02:15:07] Blue1: one other queston — how do I change the channel?
[02:15:13] wagnerrp: up/down
[02:15:46] Blue1: okay let me try that
[02:16:05] wagnerrp: although most people stop changing channels, and just pre-record what they might want to watch
[02:16:46] Blue1: wagnerrp: I just got mythtv up about 30 min ago – a n00b to mythtv — but not linux
[02:17:07] Blue1: I might try to record my first show wish me luck
[02:17:53] ** croccydile waves at the two **
[02:19:21] croccydile: I think everything is working on mine now outside of a remote frontend, but its probably xbmc
[02:20:38] Blue1: apparently I can't say record this channel at such and such a time.
[02:22:04] croccydile: Awrrr :(
[02:22:14] wagnerrp: why would you want to?
[02:22:22] wagnerrp: and actually, you can, but you shouldnt
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[02:23:30] [R]: did i go in a time machien to the 80s?
[02:23:34] Hell-Razor:
[02:23:36] [R]: should i find doc brown?
[02:23:54] wagnerrp: mythtv is a software DVR
[02:23:54] [R]: Hell-Razor: if the player supports the codecs
[02:24:10] wagnerrp: if you want to record television, you're in the right place
[02:24:21] wagnerrp: if you're looking for a UPNP server, try fuppes or mediatomb
[02:24:24] Hell-Razor: i dont really have cable
[02:24:33] Hell-Razor: im just trying to stream stuff to my tv
[02:25:02] Blue1: okay I found how to do a vcr recording
[02:25:03] croccydile: Blue1: how is the hdhomerun anyways
[02:25:30] wagnerrp: Blue1: the point is, why do you want to do a "VCR style" recording
[02:25:37] wagnerrp: just tell mythtv to record a specific show
[02:28:11] wagnerrp: christ, 86 euro for a "bluetooth shield" for an RPi
[02:28:23] wagnerrp: it's like a whole industry has sprouted up to separate these people from their money
[02:28:57] croccydile: Just like arduino stuff :/
[02:29:15] wagnerrp: i think it actually was an arduino bluetooth shield with an adapter
[02:29:52] croccydile: That is rather silly when the price of the pi is near basement
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[02:33:19] wagnerrp: GreyFoxx: seems they have a VC-1 license available for purchase now too
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[02:35:52] ** croccydile wants to figure out why the 2nd ATSC tuner wont tune on his hvr-2250 **
[02:36:33] wagnerrp: just a stab in the dark here, you have configured both separately, right?
[02:38:51] croccydile: Yes, when I did I had set both to can only record 1 show at a time
[02:39:04] croccydile: I'm trying to manually use dvbscan on the 2nd tuner, and it keeps saying tuner failed too
[02:39:13] croccydile: 2nd analog works fine... so puzzled
[02:39:30] wagnerrp: if you're using the second analog, you cannot simultaneously use the second digital
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[02:40:36] croccydile: Is not in use
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[02:45:18] croccydile: Ill have to do more poking around I suppose to see whats up... maybe debug option for modules
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[02:54:02] croccydile: My exact problem http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=149325
[02:54:15] croccydile: Maybe the 2nd ATSC tuner in my card is defunct :/
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[03:02:50] wagnerrp: Extreme Weight Loss? you mean one weight loss reality show wasn't enough, we had to create a second?
[03:04:16] croccydile: :o
[03:04:52] wagnerrp: "Betty White's Off Their Rockers" is the only non-"reality" show NBC has during prime time all week
[03:04:55] wagnerrp: that's depressing
[03:05:16] wagnerrp: someone needs to be stabbed
[03:05:17] [R]: thats not reality?
[03:05:18] [R]: what is it?
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[03:12:25] ** croccydile fiddles with the dvbscan program now that his recording was done to see if the 2nd ATSC tuner is really bunk **
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[03:21:42] nerdboy4200: Quick question – I have a mythbackend server in a VM – I have 2 network interfaces on it with different addresses. I tried to use a comma to separate the addresses and it accepts them – but I am not able to connect to it from both addresses
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[03:22:08] nerdboy4200: BTW – the mythbackend startup shows it listening on both addresses though
[03:22:11] ** [R] wakes up wagnerrp **
[03:22:50] [R]: he LOVES vms
[03:22:54] nerdboy4200: heh
[03:23:42] nerdboy4200: I originally ran this in vbox – but am moving it over to kvm due to vbox borking when using full acceleration
[03:27:11] croccydile: This isnt good :(
[03:27:12] croccydile: ERROR: initial tuning failed
[03:27:14] croccydile: dumping lists (0 services)
[03:29:08] wagnerrp: heh...
[03:29:41] wagnerrp: nerdboy4200: the frontend will only connect to the IP address listed in that box
[03:29:57] wagnerrp: so until that is changed, there is no reason to listen on more than that single IP address listed in that box
[03:29:59] croccydile: Nothing wrong in saa7164, will check tda18271 now
[03:30:01] wagnerrp: as for VMs... why?
[03:30:37] wagnerrp: you're already on a unix-like operating system
[03:30:58] wagnerrp: if you want to isolate an application for ease of management, use something like chroot
[03:30:59] nerdboy4200: yeah – I know – it was mostly for convenience and originally was a test
[03:31:09] nerdboy4200: since I could easily move the VM from system to system
[03:31:20] wagnerrp: you can easily move a chroot from system to system
[03:31:45] nerdboy4200: well – I also went from a 32–64 bit system – so there was that as well...
[03:31:54] wagnerrp: assuming its the same basic CPU architecture, and a relatively similar Linux version, binary compatibility is rarely an issue
[03:32:00] nerdboy4200: true
[03:32:18] nerdboy4200: well – I guess 1 IP address it is then...
[03:33:00] nerdboy4200: well – it was at least worth a try.. you might want mythtv-setup to complain if someone uses multiple addresses – I comma separated it and it still accepted it
[03:33:30] wagnerrp: the UI doesn't complain, but i believe the code will ignore it and replace it with '127.0.0.1'
[03:33:57] wagnerrp: actually, the current version of the UI doesn't allow manual entry
[03:34:06] wagnerrp: it lets you select from the available addresses on the system
[03:34:59] nerdboy4200: ahh – still running 0.26 here under arch
[03:36:19] nerdboy4200: thanks for the answer... So why does it then listen in on all addresses you specify then if it won't accept from multiple – just a fluke?
[03:36:43] wagnerrp: huh?
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[03:38:38] ** croccydile makes progress **
[03:39:05] croccydile: adding cal=1 to tda18271 forces it to calibrate on module load apparently, fixed 2nd ATSC
[03:39:15] wagnerrp: if you specify an address there, applications running on that host will only listen on that address
[03:39:19] nerdboy4200: ok – I put in "192.168.17.19,192.168.122.9" and when mythbackend starts up – I see it listening on both addresses
[03:40:06] wagnerrp: if you leave it blank, applications running on that host will listen on any available address, however the frontends require an address there in order to know where to connect, so the backend is programmed to respond to that as a fatal configuration error and terminate
[03:40:27] nerdboy4200: ahh – ok
[03:40:31] nerdboy4200: I wondered..
[03:40:45] nerdboy4200: I'll have to use 1 address then – that shouldn't be a problem...
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[03:40:59] wagnerrp: that secondary behavior is intended to allow you to limit the addresses the frontend may listen on
[03:41:14] wagnerrp: where normally it will listen on any IP address in a private network range
[03:42:18] croccydile: yay much better :3 dumping lists (303 services)
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[03:59:39] croccydile: Awrrrr
[03:59:45] croccydile: Added it back to mythtv and it still wont work :/
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[04:07:20] croccydile: Well I cant figure this one out, I guess no 2nd ATSC for mythtv for now
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[05:02:03] Blue1: where in the mythtv-setup is the page to enable network remote control?
[05:02:37] wagnerrp: think of mythtv-setup as any task that might require the backend to be restarted to take effect
[05:03:00] wagnerrp: the network remote control is entirely in the frontend, so configuration of it is entirely in the frontend
[05:03:17] Blue1: wagnerrp: ahh thanks — I was looking in the wrong place.
[05:03:27] wagnerrp: that's not always the case, but it's a good general rule
[05:32:17] Blue1: yay — I had to change the backend to listen to the local lan ip address instead of 127.0.0.1 and mythmote works – who knew?
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[05:50:35] mattwj2002: hi guys
[05:50:45] mattwj2002: recreating a mythtv box
[05:51:00] mattwj2002: after all Falls programming starts soon
[05:51:00] mattwj2002: :)
[05:55:55] GreyFoxx: I'm doing a round of myth+distro upgrades right now myself to be ready for Sept :)
[05:56:26] mattwj2002: GreyFoxx: for me it is building a box I had previously
[05:56:27] mattwj2002: :)
[05:57:15] GreyFoxx: It's been a couple years since my last distro update, so I just built it all in a virtual and am cloning it out to the various boxes now (they net boot so it's not that much effort)
[05:57:34] mattwj2002: how many boxes do you have?
[05:58:08] GreyFoxx: 1 master backend, 1 slave backend, 1 tv+projector frontend (runs to instances of myth over different video cards, and 2 other frontends
[05:58:19] mattwj2002: nice
[05:59:35] GreyFoxx: the msaterbackend box has no tuners (well 1 iptv tuner I use for playing around) and is the storage/nfsroot of the rest
[05:59:49] mattwj2002: iptv tuner?
[05:59:58] mattwj2002: where are you at?
[06:00:11] GreyFoxx: yeah, anytime I want to play around with generating my own video streams I use it
[06:00:40] mattwj2002: I wonder if century link's prism which is iptv will have any way of interfacing with mythtv
[06:00:46] mattwj2002: nice
[06:00:50] mattwj2002: sounds interesting
[06:00:57] GreyFoxx: our local DSL provider does iptv, but I have not played with it
[06:01:20] mattwj2002: prism isn't available in this area
[06:01:22] mattwj2002: yet
[06:01:28] mattwj2002: but it is really close
[06:01:45] mattwj2002: it is available one state over
[06:01:59] mattwj2002: neighboring state however you want to say it
[06:02:03] mattwj2002: :)
[06:02:53] GreyFoxx: heh
[06:03:16] mattwj2002: GreyFoxx: are you in the US?
[06:03:42] GreyFoxx: Nova Scotia, Canada
[06:03:51] mattwj2002: close :)
[06:04:21] mattwj2002: you are probably better off there than here in the US anyways
[06:04:22] mattwj2002: :)
[06:04:44] mattwj2002: you have better health care for one thing
[06:04:55] mattwj2002: anyways
[06:06:03] GreyFoxx: heh
[06:06:20] GreyFoxx: We all have our own problems
[06:06:54] GreyFoxx: but the whole spying on citizens thing is kinda gross. Though odds are it happens here, it just hasn't been dragged into the light
[06:07:44] mattwj2002: I agree
[06:07:56] mattwj2002: did you hear?
[06:08:04] mattwj2002: they are making a movie about wikileaks
[06:08:10] mattwj2002: like a big budget movie
[06:09:20] GreyFoxx: cool
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[06:10:41] mattwj2002: yeah our government is so corrupt in the US
[06:10:53] mattwj2002: they are in bed with the cooperations
[06:11:01] mattwj2002: which are just as corrupt if not more so
[06:12:04] GreyFoxx: you need to get the money out of politics, no more unlimited dollar value campaigns, no more unlimited contributions
[06:12:18] GreyFoxx: and shorten the campaign window
[06:12:19] mattwj2002: exactly
[06:12:35] mattwj2002: term limits on congress at minimum too
[06:12:41] mattwj2002: if not all the way down
[06:12:42] GreyFoxx: yup
[06:13:09] mattwj2002: then again
[06:13:22] mattwj2002: the tea party hasnt exactly been great for this country either
[06:13:36] GreyFoxx: heh yeah
[06:13:42] mattwj2002: they just oppose everything
[06:13:42] mattwj2002: :)
[06:14:19] mattwj2002: I vote democratic....not because they are better but because they are less bad imho
[06:14:33] mattwj2002: they both suck
[06:14:34] mattwj2002: :)
[06:15:28] mattwj2002: I hate big government but I also hate not having safety nets
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[07:14:19] Blue1: I am having an issue with manual recording – it does NOT show up in scheduled recordings. yes I made sure it said to record, and then I hit save. what am I doing wrong?
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[15:25:31] Blue1: I am having an issue with manual recording – it does NOT show up in scheduled recordings. yes I made sure it said to record, and then I hit save. what am I doing wrong?
[15:29:22] wagnerrp: if it was a one-shot, and has already recorded, the rule will be deleted
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[17:53:48] smoothifier: well, i've been working on this php 5.5/mythweb thing for hours. i know that fedora 19 exhibits the behavior, and wheezy will too if you upgrade to 5.5. but, debian released new packages recently and the behavior is fixed. i tried doing a recursive diff on the directories, and applying the changes to no avail. it must be something i'm missing but it's getting exhausting. :/
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[21:47:22] wagnerrp: my username is not sufficiently secure? wtf?
[21:47:40] wagnerrp: i can understand them having restrictions on passwords
[21:47:45] wagnerrp: it's stupid, but i can understand it
[21:47:50] wagnerrp: but usernames?
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[22:04:47] gelberg: hi all, i'm loking forward to pugrading my parents fixes/0.26 to 0.27, as their experience with 0.26 has been variable and the bug fixes look relevant. i see that 0.27-alpha has been released, but 0.27-beta is running a little late. any ideas when the beta will be released?
[22:04:51] gelberg: i don't live in the same country as them, and i'm here for a week – somehow i much prefer updating their system in person rather than over ssh ;)
[22:04:54] gelberg: also, any comments on the stability of the alpha in the average scenario? perhaps i could get them running on that
[22:05:19] gelberg: wagnerrp: i know you answered my third question earlier, any comment on my first question?
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[22:36:29] wagnerrp: ive been running the 0.27 builds for the entire development cycle
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[22:36:43] wagnerrp: and perform updates over ssh as a matter of convenience
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[22:37:16] wagnerrp: why would i want to go down to my basement and do updates in person, when i can do it from the comfort of my own desk?
[22:48:08] gelberg: wagnerrp: i live 2000 miles away from my parents. i guess your basement isn't 2000 miles away. so if there is a problem, it's harder to debug remotely, myth runs slowly over vnc etc :)
[22:48:49] wagnerrp: either i do it locally on an 80x25 terminal, or over ssh at whatever resolution i choose
[22:48:54] gelberg: wagnerrp: also you are an expert, the wiki does say "not for production use". but i'm encouraged by your confidence and will give 0.27-alpha a go
[22:48:54] wagnerrp: the distance makes no difference
[22:49:41] wagnerrp: my frontends are all network booted, so the only thing that ever needs to be done locally for them is to hit the power button
[22:50:22] wagnerrp: i still need to configure my shutdown scripts to use kexec though, rather than have to deal with full reboots
[22:50:32] gelberg: wagnerrp: again, if there is a boot / X / network issue, i would prefer to debug it in person
[22:50:33] wagnerrp: for some reason, they don't always come back up after a reboot
[22:50:54] wagnerrp: of course a remote power switch would do just as well
[23:00:22] wagnerrp: woo! asile seat opened up
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