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| [03:27:05] | gizmobay: | Does anyone know how the Hopper works? It has 6 tuners? |
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| [04:01:39] | sphery: | gizmobay: ttbomk, it has 2 tuners for your use plus a "3rd tuner" that tunes the mux with ABC, CBS, FOX, and NBC on it so it can record all of them for the primetime anytime feature |
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| [04:02:10] | sphery: | gizmobay: http://www.dish.com/technology/hopper/ |
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| [05:23:13] | tgm4883: | MMlosh, I would want to know what version of mythtv you are using, what version of mythbuntu you are running, and if you could pastebin your /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf file |
| [05:23:25] | tgm4883: | I'm going to bed, but if you ping me on it I'll take a look |
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| [05:34:48] | lucidium: | Is it possible to integrate live RMTP streams into the "Watch TV" section? |
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| [05:38:16] | lucidium: | I've tried following the guide at 'http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Settin . . . order", but none of the channels play in the internal player, but the work in VLC fine |
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| [08:20:45] | MMlosh: | tgm4883, mythtv 0.60, *u*buntu 13.04 + mythtv-backend upstart script from https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/mast . . . end.upstart, |
| [08:21:03] | MMlosh: | oops, sent too early |
| [08:21:38] | MMlosh: | oh, you asked for the upstart config file, not any log. ok |
| [08:24:29] | ** MMlosh takes everything back .. my script looks like this: http://pastebin.com/MKaDADns (it misses the "exec" in the script) ** | |
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| [09:05:51] | lux3: | do i have to do anything else than setting the ip in mythtv-setup to allow remote connections? |
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| [10:05:38] | lux3: | i've set the ip in mythtv-setup but the frontend says it cannot connect to the db server |
| [10:10:02] | lux3: | how do i allow remote connections to the mysql server? |
| [10:10:04] | clever: | lux3: is the mysql server setup to allow remote connections? |
| [10:10:12] | lux3: | clever: how can i check? |
| [10:10:25] | clever: | netstat -anp|grep mysql |
| [10:10:32] | clever: | it should report something like tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 18696/mysqld |
| [10:10:58] | lux3: | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 20657/mysqld |
| [10:11:18] | lux3: | yep, so that's not the issue |
| [10:11:28] | clever: | yep, remote connections are open, next would be if your name/pw are allowed to connect remotely |
| [10:12:02] | lux3: | how can i check? |
| [10:12:12] | clever: | thats a bit more tricky, do you have phpmyadmin? |
| [10:12:23] | lux3: | nope |
| [10:12:38] | clever: | what exactly was the error that mythfrontend gave? |
| [10:12:42] | lux3: | archlinux wiki says i need to run "mysql> grant all on *.* to mythtv@'192.168.0.2' identified by 'mythtv';" |
| [10:13:29] | clever: | that effectively gives mythtv complete access from that ip |
| [10:13:46] | lux3: | so should i run that command? |
| [10:13:48] | clever: | at which point, there is no real point in having seperate usernames (root and mythtv) |
| [10:14:13] | lux3: | hum ok so i shouldn't run this command? |
| [10:14:13] | clever: | i would run one more like this, grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@'%' identified by 'mythtv'; |
| [10:14:25] | clever: | this would give mythtv access to only mythconverg, from any host |
| [10:14:49] | lux3: | but "grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@'%' identified by 'mythtv';" will work you think? |
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| [10:15:28] | clever: | yeah |
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| [13:26:40] | MMlosh: | I am back |
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| [14:02:31] | tgm4883: | MMlosh, headed off to work, but why 13.04 and not 12.04? |
| [14:03:29] | MMlosh: | I am not sure it would work well with the newest kernels (older don't support the device) |
| [14:03:55] | MMlosh: | tgm4883, what are the reasons for 12.04? |
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| [15:06:19] | dahlSTROM: | question: how do I make a backup of my channel list? |
| [15:06:27] | dahlSTROM: | I'm going to reinstall ubuntu |
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| [15:22:28] | sphery: | dahlSTROM: there's no supported piecemeal backup/restore |
| [15:23:35] | sphery: | dahlSTROM: if you really want to throw away your existing database and have lots of stuff you need to edit (channel names, numbers, and/or call signs) after a scan or fetch, you can just print a copy of the MythWeb channel editor to PDF and use it to put things back |
| [15:24:03] | dahlSTROM: | sphery: yeah I guess I'll have to do that |
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| [15:24:11] | sphery: | dahlSTROM: however, the approved solution is for you to just back up the /entire/ database ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore ), and restore it to the new ubuntu install ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database ) |
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| [15:24:33] | sphery: | i.e. there's generally no good reason to throw out your database |
| [15:25:00] | sphery: | that way you'll have everything like it is now, but on a new system |
| [15:25:35] | sphery: | just be careful to use the same IP address and host name (or else it requires a bit more work--which has to be done in a /very/ specific order--to configure the new system) |
| [15:26:08] | dahlSTROM: | sphery: I probably need to do a new channel scan anyways and my database is pretty much empty now |
| [15:26:14] | dahlSTROM: | I have 2 recordings hehe |
| [15:26:47] | sphery: | ah, ok |
| [15:26:54] | sphery: | if that's the case, starting over isn't too bad |
| [15:27:09] | dahlSTROM: | my DVB card has problems with one transponder for some reason |
| [15:27:12] | sphery: | you can always put the 2 recordings into Video Library in the new system, if you haven't watched them or you want to keep them |
| [15:27:37] | dahlSTROM: | alright thanks sphery :) |
| [15:27:55] | sphery: | good luck--especially with getting the dvb working on everything |
| [15:28:14] | dahlSTROM: | I'm actually surprised that my HD-channels works with my CI+ CAM |
| [15:28:33] | dahlSTROM: | but I guess my provider forgot to enable CI+ |
| [15:28:35] | dahlSTROM: | oh well |
| [15:28:40] | sphery: | hehe, good for you :) |
| [15:28:47] | dahlSTROM: | yeah! :P |
| [15:29:17] | sphery: | CI is reasonable, CI+ is typical "you can only use our equipment for our service" over-controlling approach |
| [15:29:33] | sphery: | glad they didn't do the CI+ DRM |
| [15:29:47] | dahlSTROM: | yeah, but the best option is still softcam |
| [15:30:12] | dahlSTROM: | Do you have any idea if one CA-module would work with multiple tuners? |
| [15:30:28] | dahlSTROM: | because I'm able to decode two channels at the same time right now when they're on the same transponder |
| [15:30:28] | sphery: | we don't support the use of softcam (and actually ban discussion of it on official channels/lists) |
| [15:30:38] | dahlSTROM: | oh sorry |
| [15:30:48] | sphery: | not sure about the hardware CAM/CI stuff, though |
| [15:30:59] | sphery: | we don't have that here in the US, so I know very little about it |
| [15:31:11] | dahlSTROM: | I see |
| [15:31:33] | sphery: | in theory, though, if the hardware supports it and the provider allows it, it should work |
| [15:32:28] | sphery: | here we have CableCARD "m-cards" which support multiple "tuners" (up to 6)... that's our closest equivalent to CI/CAM |
| [15:33:10] | sphery: | however, I don't think the m-cards support multirec (one tuner using multiple channels on a mux) |
| [15:33:25] | dahlSTROM: | so how does pay channels work with mythtv? |
| [15:33:27] | sphery: | so you just have to use multiple tuners regardless of mux layout |
| [15:33:33] | dahlSTROM: | HBO for example, does that work? |
| [15:34:22] | sphery: | here in the US, it generally doesn't work directly (even with CableCARD), as it's locked down with CCI flags that say only certified chains (hardware and software) can access it |
| [15:34:56] | sphery: | but you can use the HD-PVR and a cable-company set-top box with Component output to get a HDTV capture via the "analog hole" |
| [15:35:13] | sphery: | or use an ivtv device for an SDTV capture via analog hole |
| [15:35:20] | dahlSTROM: | aha |
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| [15:36:12] | sphery: | but non-premium channels ("normal" cable channels) may be marked to allow copying--i.e. that's what Comcast does), so those will work with cablecard directly |
| [15:36:56] | sphery: | over there, it's all based on whether the provider allows CI/CAM use and, AIUI, whether they use CI+ vs just CI |
| [15:37:44] | dahlSTROM: | yeah, seems like it actually works better in the US |
| [15:37:54] | sphery: | so, CI/CAM is basically equivalent to cablecard with "copy freely" and CI+ is basically equivalent to cablecard with "copy once" or "copy never" (which MythTV can't ever use) |
| [15:38:06] | sphery: | only for comcast |
| [15:38:26] | sphery: | Time Warner Cable marks everything "copy once" or "copy never" |
| [15:38:56] | dahlSTROM: | what about directv? |
| [15:39:43] | sphery: | for all US satellite services (directv and dish), the only option is analog capture |
| [15:40:03] | sphery: | meaning sat-co STB + HD-PVR (or ivtv card) |
| [15:40:15] | sphery: | for each channel you want to record at a given time |
| [15:40:38] | sphery: | (so if you want to be able to record 2 shows concurrently, you need 2 STB's + 2 HD-PVR's) |
| [15:40:43] | dahlSTROM: | that sucks |
| [15:40:47] | sphery: | yeah |
| [15:41:30] | dahlSTROM: | unfortunately, all providers in Europe will switch to CI+ |
| [15:41:34] | dahlSTROM: | it's just a matter of time |
| [15:41:35] | sphery: | and we don't really have any FTA satellite (all that's there is basically shopping and evangelical channels and the same stuff you can get OTA with an antenna/aerial) |
| [15:42:10] | sphery: | yeah, hollywood seems to be pressuring them (and probably doing a better job of it overseas than here) |
| [15:44:09] | dahlSTROM: | yup, so we're doomed here in Sweden lol |
| [15:44:21] | dahlSTROM: | just look what happended to the pirate bay |
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| [15:44:55] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
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| [15:45:32] | sphery: | and very annoying how much policy is in place simply to protect the "old guard" |
| [15:45:51] | dahlSTROM: | true that |
| [15:46:18] | sphery: | like the fact that Netflix can't allow streaming of everything that they have on DVD (so you need both streaming and DVD or just DVD to get access to the whole library) |
| [15:46:42] | sphery: | but netflix is trying to get everyone to switch to streaming only |
| [15:47:23] | dahlSTROM: | I'm refusing to use Netflix as long as they use silverlight |
| [15:48:42] | sphery: | hehe, understandable |
| [15:49:21] | sphery: | I actually have Amazon Instant Prime, but my gf has Netflix... I don't actually use either on GNU/Linux, though--always use the Xbox 360 or PS3 to watch them |
| [15:49:38] | sphery: | even amazon's use of flash is awful for GNU/Linux |
| [15:50:56] | dahlSTROM: | I use Hulu with a proxy with the xbmc addon |
| [15:51:11] | sphery: | of course, it will all get worse in the future thanks to Netflix, Google, and MS (and their "encrypted media extensions" for HTML) |
| [15:51:48] | FLeiXiuS: | Amazon Prime > Netflix |
| [15:52:04] | sphery: | which means standard HTML "API" for encrypted content, but 10M handlers for it (which are really nothing more than glorified browser plugins) |
| [15:52:10] | FLeiXiuS: | The only superior win for netflix right now is the integration |
| [15:53:50] | dahlSTROM: | and the fact that it works outside the US |
| [15:54:03] | dahlSTROM: | the library in sweden is terrible though |
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| [16:26:05] | tgm4883: | MMlosh, 12.04 is what we recommend since it's an LTS release. The point releases of it (12.04.x) have the newer kernels in them. The Mythbuntu team provides new mythtv versions for the LTS release as well |
| [16:27:54] | tgm4883: | MMlosh, the next thing I'd want to know though, is what is the PID that 'service mythtv-backend status' is reporting, and what is the PID that mythbackend has |
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| [17:26:11] | cybrNaut: | dahlSTROM: does Netflix even have service in europe? |
| [17:27:56] | MMlosh: | tgm4883, right now it's totally corrupted. Is there any way how to recover except for a reboot? |
| [17:28:33] | SteveGoodey: | cybrNaut: It's running in the UK, if you consider that Europe! |
| [17:28:44] | tgm4883: | MMlosh, do 'sudo service mythtv-backend stop', if that hangs, do ctrl+c then do 'sudo service mythtv-backend status'. It should say it's stopped |
| [17:30:29] | cybrNaut: | SteveGoodey: the UK is actually just a US sibling |
| [17:31:16] | cybrNaut: | both the US and UK act as Big Brothers to everyone else, in terms of surveillance and copyright enforcement |
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| [17:38:55] | MMlosh: | tgm4883, yes, it said it's stop/killed |
| [17:39:07] | MMlosh: | and sudo service mythtv-backend start also hanged |
| [17:39:56] | tgm4883: | MMlosh, can you pastebin /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf |
| [17:40:27] | tgm4883: | MMlosh, can you check and see if mythbackend is running with ps? |
| [17:40:38] | MMlosh: | I already did that: ) MMlosh takes everything back .. my script looks like this: http://pastebin.com/MKaDADns (it misses the "exec" in the script) |
| [17:40:59] | MMlosh: | no, was not running |
| [17:41:13] | MMlosh: | *is not |
| [17:41:34] | MMlosh: | after ctrl-c on mythtv-backend stop mythloggserver vanished as well |
| [17:41:52] | MMlosh: | I'll try with the fixed script later |
| [17:42:18] | tgm4883: | yea add the exec back in |
| [17:43:23] | tgm4883: | I would bet that fixes it |
| [17:43:41] | tgm4883: | if not, then we need to check if mythbackend is actually hanging on startup |
| [17:45:24] | MMlosh: | I tried ctrl-z and checked with ps.. I don'ลง think it attempted to start the backend |
| [17:45:46] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [17:45:59] | tgm4883: | can you add the exec back and try starting it again? |
| [17:46:21] | MMlosh: | allright.. let's move back to the box, then. see you in a moment |
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| [18:03:08] | dahlSTROM: | cybrNaut: yup, in Scandinavia they do |
| [18:03:10] | dahlSTROM: | and UK |
| [18:03:49] | lucidium: | I've tried following the guide at 'http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Settin . . . order", to get live TV via the internet, but none of the channels play in the internal player. the m3u playlist works in VLC fine, however. What gives? |
| [18:05:45] | dahlSTROM: | lucidium: "There is currently no text in this page." |
| [18:05:54] | dahlSTROM: | am I missing something? o_O |
| [18:07:03] | lucidium: | dahlSTROM, you mean that link doesn't work for you? it works fine for me... |
| [18:07:47] | dahlSTROM: | lucidium: nvm, IRC added the " in the end of the URL |
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| [20:01:51] | MMlosh: | tgm4883, ok. I am back with results.. I added exec and upstart is reporting correct PID |
| [20:01:59] | MMlosh: | (the one of mythbackend) |
| [20:02:10] | tgm4883: | MMlosh, good. So that should all work now |
| [20:02:19] | MMlosh: | I hope so, thanks |
| [20:02:25] | tgm4883: | yw |
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| [20:10:02] | lux3_: | i would like to set the wakeup time manually to the next recording and not let mythtv do it before shutting down, how can i do it manually? |
| [20:11:31] | lux3_: | is it possible to grab the time of the next recording from mythtv db or is there some command to do that? |
| [20:12:44] | Scopeuk: | lux3: mythstatus can give you time untill next recording |
| [20:13:24] | Scopeuk: | lux3: mythstatus can give you time untill next recordingmythtv-status** |
| [20:13:34] | Scopeuk: | mythtv-status** |
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| [20:19:39] | lux3_: | Scopeuk: yep it displays the next recordings, now i just need to find a way to cut out the time+date |
| [20:20:08] | lux3_: | but thx, guess i'll find out how to do that with some googling |
| [20:20:29] | lux3_: | or is someone here who could tell me the commands i need? grep+?? |
| [20:21:05] | Scopeuk: | if you need to get it down to a specific string your goign to be looking at grep + xargs or awk |
| [20:23:13] | lux3_: | and then i need to convert it to seconds to put it into /wakealarm. how can i convert it to seconds? |
| [20:26:28] | Scopeuk: | should just be able to multiple the elements by the number of seconds in them, add the numbers and use that as your argument |
| [20:26:56] | Scopeuk: | eg (hours * 3600) + (minutes * 60) + seconds |
| [20:28:24] | lux3_: | i found that on the wiki. would that work? date -u --date "Jul 1, 2008 10:32:00" +%s |
| [20:29:23] | lux3_: | now i just need to convert "2013-08–01 15:30:00Z" to that format |
| [20:29:54] | Scopeuk: | you'd also need to account for timezones belive the z means its in zulu/gmt |
| [20:30:35] | lux3_: | i don't really live there, no :) must be something else |
| [20:31:52] | lux3_: | but yeah, the time is 2 hours earlier than the time displayed in mythweb |
| [20:38:31] | lux3_: | ok i think i got it :) |
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| [20:40:36] | justinh: | it'd be nice if the wiki could filter out user account actions from the recent changes |
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| [20:48:26] | SteveGoodey: | justinh: I might be misunderstanding but can't you filter using namespace, user, invert selection? |
| [20:54:33] | justinh: | I think that works, but what a pain to have to do it. seems the vast majority of activity is banning spammy users |
| [20:55:28] | SteveGoodey: | justinh: Yeah tell me about it!! |
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| [21:25:40] | bill6502: | justinh: Try this as a bookmark: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Special:Rece . . . amp;invert=1 |
| [21:26:06] | justinh: | thsnks! |
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| [21:59:09] | justinh: | like the Hauppauge HDPVR you mean? |
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| [22:02:18] | Pio: | justinh, yeah but hauppage hdpvr is only component in, not hdmi.. i guess you can just get a hdmi – component splitter cable... |
| [22:04:01] | justinh: | not quite a splitter cable. You need a converter |
| [22:04:16] | Pio: | oh, right |
| [22:04:28] | Pio: | like the hd fury |
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| [22:11:02] | dahlSTROM: | which ppa are you all using? |
| [22:11:12] | dahlSTROM: | ppa:mythbuntu/0.26? |
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| [22:19:11] | Pio: | anyone happen to know if a hauppage hd pvr + raspberry pi for a mythbackend is a usable setup? |
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| [22:27:07] | dekarl: | Pio: try something bigger like a wandboard quad instead of the pi for a backend. |
| [22:27:29] | Pio: | yeah.. i was really only thinking pi because theres a larger community around it so its easy to find packages |
| [22:27:59] | dekarl: | well, for devices that run Ubunutu there is also a large community :D |
| [22:31:42] | Pio: | yeah i get lost in the varieties of arm |
| [22:34:23] | Pio: | and if i just want to use it as a backend, probably doesnt need *too* much speed |
| [22:39:23] | kormoc: | Pio, no, it's pretty bad. The backend requires a decently snappy database and the pi just doesn't provide that |
| [22:39:41] | kormoc: | the IO is horrible and the ram is slow |
| [22:40:14] | Pio: | ok |
| [22:40:57] | Pio: | it'd be easy to just use a real computer but i like to hibernate my systems at night to save power.. the way the electric rates are here, wandboard would pay for itself pretty quickly in power savings |
| [22:41:36] | dahlSTROM: | Pio: raspberry pi won't work as it does not support deinterlacing afaik |
| [22:41:57] | Pio: | well im talking backend only |
| [22:42:09] | dahlSTROM: | oh |
| [22:42:19] | dahlSTROM: | I doubt that'll work :P |
| [22:42:26] | Pio: | yah |
| [22:42:43] | Pio: | up until a couple months ago i was using an old p4 for a backend but it was just SD, now im aspiring to do HD |
| [22:43:22] | dahlSTROM: | I'm using amd e35 for backend and frontend |
| [22:43:24] | dahlSTROM: | works fine |
| [22:43:29] | dahlSTROM: | I use xbmc as frontend though |
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| [22:44:49] | kormoc: | Pio, so on a semi-modem computer, ram timing is multiple gigabytes per second. For example, one I have at home tests to 6834.08 MB/sec, the pi I have at home tests at 163.76 MB/sec. With a normal hard drive, you can pull ~100 to ~150 IOPS, but with the pi, with a expensive class 10 SD card, I get only ~18 IOPS. For a DB, that's *slow* |
| [22:45:57] | Pio: | could run the mysql datadir on the external usb drive i'd have to have on there anyway to store recordings.. |
| [22:46:12] | Pio: | but yeah point taken |
| [22:46:27] | kormoc: | I didn't notice that much speed benefit with a usb2 jump drive, but I don't have numbers |
| [22:47:09] | kormoc: | Don't get me wrong, the Pi is awesome, just not at DBs and backend stuff :) |
| [22:48:02] | Pio: | yeah im using one now as a print server / asterisk box / jabber server.. perfect for that kind of stuff |
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| [22:50:50] | kormoc: | Mine is a openvpn server so I can vpn home |
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