| Saturday, July 27th, 2013, 00:05 UTC | ||
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| [00:05:57] | builder1: | Good afternoon All |
| [00:06:21] | builder1: | I am exploring. Spelunking if you will. |
| [00:07:05] | builder1: | Before I take off into this new cave of wonder, I would like to ask a couple probably all too obvious questions. |
| [00:07:22] | builder1: | First, is the proper forum for this activity? |
| [00:07:34] | wagnerrp: | depends on the activity |
| [00:08:20] | wagnerrp: | are you here to explore... mythtv? |
| [00:08:35] | builder1: | Explorations. I would like to know if I can use mythtv as a storage and playback device for video I have on several storage devices |
| [00:09:08] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has a video library capability for that purpose |
| [00:09:09] | builder1: | I have an old server (in desktop livery) that has a fairly large disk array |
| [00:09:34] | wagnerrp: | however mythtv is really designed for use recording television |
| [00:09:34] | Shadow__X: | builder1: do you plan on recording tv? |
| [00:09:35] | builder1: | I want to know how well you think it would be in operation. |
| [00:09:46] | wagnerrp: | at current, it requires a tv tuner to be installed and configured |
| [00:09:57] | builder1: | No good source for live TV in my area |
| [00:10:41] | wagnerrp: | that requirement is going to need to be removed at some point in the future, due to changes in how mythtv is going to be configured |
| [00:10:56] | wagnerrp: | but for now, you can create a dummy tuner and channel to bypass it |
| [00:11:11] | builder1: | I could go with satellite, but I hate those people and would prefer to just rib my dvds and consolidate all of my other stored video on a box next to my TV |
| [00:11:50] | wagnerrp: | if all you want is video library on a single box, consider xbmc |
| [00:11:54] | builder1: | I've had a Tivo/Comcast set up in the past. I was not all that happy with the television UI |
| [00:12:05] | wagnerrp: | if you want video library on several boxes, mythtv is the better solution IMHO |
| [00:12:24] | builder1: | Of course the Tivo people don't allow big disks nor ripping dvds |
| [00:12:41] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: with xbmc you can setup a central server to manage things like bookmarks metadata etc |
| [00:12:55] | wagnerrp: | you can, but it's somewhat clumsily patched in |
| [00:12:56] | builder1: | Right now, I have one television. I may want to add to that later, but much later. |
| [00:13:08] | wagnerrp: | that behavior is one of the basic tenants of the mythtv architecture |
| [00:13:32] | builder1: | I know from what I've read that I can use the MythTV package as a video library/streamer |
| [00:14:01] | wagnerrp: | you can use it to stream to other devices over UPNP, but that mechanism is fairly feature lacking |
| [00:14:08] | builder1: | But, there is little documentation to tell me how that would look anf feel whilst sitting in my recliner with a beer and popcorn |
| [00:14:33] | wagnerrp: | that "look and feel" depends entirely on your UPNP client |
| [00:14:39] | builder1: | What do you guys think of the "10 foot UI", for example? |
| [00:14:41] | wagnerrp: | typically, mythtv is designed to be used with its own frontend |
| [00:14:57] | wagnerrp: | most of my frontends are managed entirely by remote control |
| [00:16:12] | builder1: | Alright, from another direction... You have a hundred movies in 10 genre. How does the mythtv frontend present that to the couch potato with the remote control? |
| [00:16:46] | builder1: | The documentation available does not really make that clear. |
| [00:17:12] | wagnerrp: | that's entirely up to the user |
| [00:17:17] | builder1: | I have several hundred DVDs that I intend to rip. Is it going to be a pile o data? |
| [00:17:27] | wagnerrp: | you can go directly off the underlying filesystem structure |
| [00:17:44] | wagnerrp: | or you can use one of several structures generated from the metadata |
| [00:17:53] | builder1: | Ah, now we're getting somewhere. |
| [00:18:13] | wagnerrp: | hit 'm', and 'browse by' |
| [00:18:53] | builder1: | Seems quite interesting. |
| [00:19:05] | wagnerrp: | there is cast, category, date added, director, studio, genre, user rating, release year, and a "tv/movies" option which is likely going to simulate the structure most people will have in their filesystem |
| [00:19:39] | builder1: | neat. sounds good enough to try it out. |
| [00:19:52] | wagnerrp: | if you know SQL, aren't frightened by some very basic C++, and are building from source, you can create your own browse options |
| [00:20:12] | builder1: | What development language is this stuff written? |
| [00:20:33] | wagnerrp: | C++, with the Qt application libraries |
| [00:20:41] | builder1: | I know SQL and C++ (though I prefer C and perl more) |
| [00:21:03] | builder1: | <--- old school ;-) |
| [00:22:30] | wagnerrp: | i get my fill of C at work |
| [00:22:32] | wagnerrp: | i like objects |
| [00:23:43] | builder1: | My first real foray into C was writing device drivers for PDP-11s... objects need more resources – most of the time. |
| [00:24:44] | builder1: | of course most phones have more resources that those PDP-11s LOL |
| [00:25:26] | builder1: | Thanks guys. You've been a great help. |
| [00:26:08] | builder1: | I'll come back in August to tell you how its working out. |
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| [00:56:03] | htpc_: | Is there a way to output the metadata for a video to a file and then reimport, in case your install gets corrupted, or migrate pc etc. |
| [00:56:22] | wagnerrp: | typically you backup the whole database |
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| [02:25:53] | Korny: | hmmmm just read a novel of todays activities, it was busy today |
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| [08:21:47] | Dorward: | Does anyone know if I can get hold of the MythTV Android Frontend without using the Google Play store or building it myself? I'd like to have a shot at running it on my Ouya. |
| [08:25:16] | Shadow__X: | Dorward: you could copy the apk from an android device |
| [08:26:03] | Dorward: | Shadow__X: Ah! I shall give that a shot then. |
| [08:26:37] | Dorward: | Thanks. |
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| [14:48:30] | AnthonyUK: | I have found out that it was the 2m TV aerial extension cable that was faulty. Since then I have done a load of combinations testing to see how much the signal strength drops on a 12 metre cable, a 4m cable and a spare 2m cable and on the bedroom TV aerial and the living room TV aerial. I now have the 2m cable in and I am getting a signal strength of 56% when tuning in channels. |
| [14:50:03] | AnthonyUK: | My only problem now is a bit of jumping when watching TV |
| [14:55:35] | AnthonyUK: | I think it may be the 1680x1050 resolution will try toning it down |
| [15:16:27] | AnthonyUK: | set it to 1024x576 and it's still jumping |
| [15:19:32] | wagnerrp: | define "jumping" |
| [15:19:53] | AnthonyUK: | image freezes for a mili second |
| [15:19:59] | AnthonyUK: | or sometimes it slightly garbles |
| [15:20:18] | wagnerrp: | garbled images are typically poor signal |
| [15:20:32] | wagnerrp: | freezing may be too slow a system to reliably handle decoding in real time |
| [15:20:54] | AnthonyUK: | how high should the signal strength bee when tuning? |
| [15:21:36] | wagnerrp: | there's no real way to say, as there is no standardized scale for tuners to return signal data |
| [15:22:02] | wagnerrp: | higher is always better, but you can really only compare to readings on the same tuner |
| [15:23:29] | AnthonyUK: | uggh I have a new problem anyway for some reason when I go to watch TV the signal strength has droped to 0% |
| [15:24:19] | AnthonyUK: | I just tuned this thing 10 minutes ago |
| [15:24:50] | AnthonyUK: | gona do a cold reboot |
| [15:27:18] | AnthonyUK: | hmm tv channels are working again with 56% signal strength |
| [15:27:56] | AnthonyUK: | don't understand why a cold boot works but its better than not working at all |
| [15:39:29] | AnthonyUK: | wagnerrp: the system I am trying to run it on is a 2.66GHz P4, 1GB RAM and a Radeon 9550 256MB |
| [15:42:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that's pretty slow |
| [15:42:28] | wagnerrp: | especially if its HD H264 |
| [15:42:30] | wagnerrp: | DVB-T2? |
| [15:47:07] | AnthonyUK: | wagnerrp: bk, no just a single DVB-T, a Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T PCI Model 90002 if you're interested. |
| [15:48:04] | AnthonyUK: | although once I have had my new media centre's in place and working for a bit I am tempted to buy a HD TV card to see what it's like. |
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| [15:49:01] | wagnerrp: | technically, it's not an HD TV card, just a -T2 card |
| [15:49:18] | wagnerrp: | DVB-T can be used for HD just the same as DVB-T2, broadcasters in the UK simply don't |
| [15:49:18] | AnthonyUK: | k |
| [15:50:23] | AnthonyUK: | If I buy a DVB-T2 card does it only tune into HD channels or can it tune into the regular DVB-T channels too? |
| [15:51:07] | wagnerrp: | -T2 cards can usually pick up both -T and -T2 channels |
| [15:51:33] | wagnerrp: | but i've heard some weird things, like drivers that require the mode be set when loaded into the kernel, and don't allow dynamic flipping between the two |
| [15:52:03] | AnthonyUK: | Cheers wagnerrp if I decide to pick up one I will look for that before I buy |
| [15:53:45] | AnthonyUK: | does it take a reboot for a screen resolution change to fully kick in, because it seems better now |
| [15:53:58] | wagnerrp: | at most, it would require a restart of the X server |
| [15:54:21] | wagnerrp: | if you're using RandR, you should be able to change resolutions without restarting the X server |
| [15:54:34] | wagnerrp: | very few things in Linux ever require a reboot |
| [15:56:29] | AnthonyUK: | I don't know if I am using RandR, I am using mythbuntu 12.04.2 just to make it easy for me to get this working. I heard similar things about rebooting, I read one article saying only kernal updates need a full reboot. Don't know how true that is but it's one of the things that attracts me to wanting to learn linux |
| [16:00:15] | AnthonyUK: | well lol the moment I type this I'll probably see loads of image jittering but for the moment it's better, rebooting linux may have worked |
| [16:01:15] | wagnerrp: | even if it's standard definition h264, that old P4 may still struggle with it |
| [16:01:20] | wagnerrp: | SD MPEG2 should play fine |
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| [16:05:28] | AnthonyUK: | Before I change the resolution I did a 5 minute recording of BBC1, I have just played it now and for the first time it is playing without the image problems. So I'm leaning towards its this old comp can't cope with the higher definitions. |
| [16:05:41] | wagnerrp: | what video renderer are you using? |
| [16:05:49] | wagnerrp: | opengl? xv? |
| [16:07:24] | wagnerrp: | any deinterlacing filters? |
| [16:07:26] | AnthonyUK: | erm, one second I'll try to look it up |
| [16:07:41] | AnthonyUK: | I've not messed with any of this, don't know what half of it is |
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| [16:14:23] | AnthonyUK: | I'm having trouble finding the right search-words to find it. |
| [16:14:45] | wagnerrp: | search words? |
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| [16:15:27] | AnthonyUK: | I'm looking on line with "mytbuntu video rendering||renderer" |
| [16:15:43] | AnthonyUK: | what ever comes default with mythbuntu is what I have |
| [16:15:53] | wagnerrp: | setup --> video --> playback |
| [16:15:56] | wagnerrp: | it's a couple pages in |
| [16:16:00] | AnthonyUK: | ahh k |
| [16:18:38] | AnthonyUK: | ffmpeg & XVideo |
| [16:18:57] | wagnerrp: | what deinterlacing? |
| [16:20:32] | AnthonyUK: | I'll check now, the video renderer has 2 conditions "if rez >= 1280 720 -> ffmpeg & XVideo" and "if rez >- 0 0 -> ffmpeg & XVideo" I don't know if it's normal to have 2 resolutions. |
| [16:20:55] | wagnerrp: | edit one and see what deinterlacers are set |
| [16:21:19] | AnthonyUK: | was looking for where that was :P thank you. |
| [16:21:36] | AnthonyUK: | Linear Blend |
| [16:21:48] | wagnerrp: | should be fairly lightweight |
| [16:21:52] | wagnerrp: | what about for the SD one? |
| [16:23:31] | AnthonyUK: | the next one has primary deinterlacer of "Greedy HighMotion (2x)" and the fall back deinterlacer has "Kernel" set |
| [16:23:45] | wagnerrp: | use something lighter, like linear blend or one field |
| [16:24:08] | AnthonyUK: | do i set both the primary and fallback to the same? |
| [16:24:15] | wagnerrp: | you can |
| [16:24:23] | AnthonyUK: | worth doing? |
| [16:24:28] | wagnerrp: | better to set the fallback to a more basic one |
| [16:25:20] | AnthonyUK: | is kernel a more basic one? |
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| [16:25:57] | wagnerrp: | one field is the most basic, linear blend is next |
| [16:26:13] | AnthonyUK: | I think i have done this back to front |
| [16:26:13] | wagnerrp: | kernel is an "intelligent" filter, in that its behavior depends on how much motion it detects in the scene |
| [16:27:26] | AnthonyUK: | the if res > 720 one is still set to linear blend and its the if rez > 0 0 is the one i have just set to one field |
| [16:27:56] | wagnerrp: | that's video resolution, not output resolution |
| [16:28:03] | AnthonyUK: | oh |
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| [16:30:26] | AnthonyUK: | so the primary is set to one field I don't know what I should set the fallback deinterlacer to. |
| [16:30:51] | wagnerrp: | just set it to one field as well |
| [16:31:14] | wagnerrp: | understand that one field means you're discarding half the vertical data for the video |
| [16:31:25] | AnthonyUK: | k |
| [16:31:28] | wagnerrp: | do you understand how interlacing works? |
| [16:31:33] | AnthonyUK: | I'll copy this conver once again |
| [16:31:37] | AnthonyUK: | erm I half do |
| [16:31:54] | AnthonyUK: | its too sets of images i think |
| [16:32:00] | AnthonyUK: | with lines in between |
| [16:32:01] | wagnerrp: | UK television is 50 fields per second |
| [16:32:14] | wagnerrp: | you start with 50 frames, and each frame, you discard every other row of pixels |
| [16:32:32] | wagnerrp: | you alternate, so the first frame, you discard the even rows, the next frame, you discard the odd rows |
| [16:33:01] | wagnerrp: | it maintains framerate and resolution, while halving the amount of data that must be transmitted |
| [16:33:14] | AnthonyUK: | k |
| [16:33:26] | AnthonyUK: | field im guesing means image |
| [16:33:39] | wagnerrp: | with one field, it discards every other field, and then doubles the available rows to fill in the missing rows |
| [16:34:10] | wagnerrp: | it gets rid of the "combing" effect when displaying interlaced video on a progressive display, but at a significant loss to image quality |
| [16:35:10] | AnthonyUK: | so the odd rows of one field and the even rows of the next field are then put together to make a new image (or screen shot in a sense) |
| [16:35:25] | wagnerrp: | that's what linear blend does |
| [16:35:29] | AnthonyUK: | oh |
| [16:35:40] | wagnerrp: | one field just completely discards the odd (or even) rows |
| [16:36:20] | AnthonyUK: | one the rows are discarded it just tries to fill them in itself |
| [16:36:30] | AnthonyUK: | no wonder image quality takes a dive |
| [16:37:14] | AnthonyUK: | Im guessing (again) when you say progressive display you mean like CRT TV's and CRT Monitors? |
| [16:37:31] | wagnerrp: | progressive, as opposed to interlaced |
| [16:37:54] | wagnerrp: | a CRT TV is typically interlaced, meaning designed to display this alternating row video |
| [16:37:55] | AnthonyUK: | I'm gona look this up, one mo |
| [16:38:15] | wagnerrp: | CRT monitors are typically designed to refresh the entire screen in one shot, meaning progressive |
| [16:38:31] | AnthonyUK: | ahh I see |
| [16:39:07] | AnthonyUK: | prob wrong again but here goes monitor pixels get told what colour to be, and they display that colour till otherwise told |
| [16:39:38] | AnthonyUK: | but CRT have to fire at every pixel in every frame anyway just to keep the image lit |
| [16:39:45] | AnthonyUK: | have i got this one right at least? |
| [16:40:11] | wagnerrp: | they all refresh every frame |
| [16:40:36] | AnthonyUK: | if they don't the phosphorus wouldn't stay lit |
| [16:40:37] | wagnerrp: | the "paper" displays like on a kindle are the only common display that can be selectively updated |
| [16:40:59] | wagnerrp: | on a CRT, the phosphor layer would not stay lit, correct |
| [16:41:05] | AnthonyUK: | I thought flat screen monitors were further along in that respect |
| [16:41:06] | htpc_: | I was told that tmdb does not support fitness, instuctional, educational, etc. ... basically anything that's not a hollywood video. Is there another source for video metadata? |
| [16:41:19] | htpc_: | say one that supports all videos with an ISBN? |
| [16:41:29] | wagnerrp: | on a LCD, the liquid crystal will not stay at the proper polarization without something maintaining voltagr |
| [16:41:54] | wagnerrp: | htpc_: the only other such database i know of is omdb |
| [16:42:09] | AnthonyUK: | Is that the same for LCD LED too? |
| [16:42:30] | wagnerrp: | on a plasma display, you only have on or off, so you must dither your pixels at several hundred times the frame refresh rate to achieve your desired average brightness |
| [16:42:41] | wagnerrp: | an "LCD LED" display is nothing more than an LCD screen |
| [16:42:58] | AnthonyUK: | they are better though :) |
| [16:42:58] | wagnerrp: | the only difference is you're using an array of LEDs as your backlight, as opposed to a CFL and diffuser plate |
| [16:43:03] | wagnerrp: | well... that depends |
| [16:43:04] | AnthonyUK: | aye |
| [16:43:12] | wagnerrp: | they are thinner, i'll agree with you there |
| [16:43:43] | AnthonyUK: | well I have a Samsung 2253 Synmaster I bought in 2008 that is backlit and I just got a ASUS IPS that is LED |
| [16:44:17] | AnthonyUK: | I thought the samsung picture was really good until I set up my dual screen, boy did it make my samsung look more yellow and tired |
| [16:44:28] | wagnerrp: | the phosphor layers on CFLs are typically better at producing tight color output at the colors of your bayer filter (the colored filter that gives you colored subpixels, rather than black and white) |
| [16:44:40] | wagnerrp: | which means they produce a higher gamut |
| [16:45:05] | wagnerrp: | IPS panels are simply better in color reproduction than TN panels, and that's independent of the backlight |
| [16:45:27] | wagnerrp: | the only thing LED backlighting really gives you is zoned dynamic contrast, and dynamic contrast sucks anyway |
| [16:46:03] | wagnerrp: | it's little more than a way to inflate numbers for marketing purposes, and distract customers from poor static contrast ratios |
| [16:47:19] | AnthonyUK: | I read an article that said that flat screen monitors will finally catch up with CRT's when OLED comes out, don't know how true that is. |
| [16:48:17] | wagnerrp: | contrast ratio is the difference between the brightest and dimmest pixels in a display |
| [16:48:31] | wagnerrp: | LCDs are a variable polarization filter |
| [16:48:55] | wagnerrp: | they offer contrast ratio by flipping between two different polarization angles, combined with a static polarization filter |
| [16:48:56] | AnthonyUK: | the backlight on LCD's though cause bleaching of the screen |
| [16:49:27] | AnthonyUK: | When I read about LED's beeing the backlights it sounded good to me |
| [16:49:43] | wagnerrp: | but polarization is not perfect. when the filters are aligned, there will still be some light filtered out. when the filters are perpendicular, they will still allow some light to bleed through |
| [16:49:57] | wagnerrp: | that means LCDs get poor contrast ratio, and will always get poor contrast ratio |
| [16:50:06] | wagnerrp: | and it makes no difference what their backlight is |
| [16:50:12] | AnthonyUK: | k |
| [16:50:42] | wagnerrp: | by contrast, CRTs produce their own light by energizing their phosphor layer, and thus have nearly infinite contrast ratio |
| [16:50:58] | wagnerrp: | same with DLP projectors and plasma displays |
| [16:51:06] | wagnerrp: | and same with true LED/OLED displays |
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| [16:54:15] | AnthonyUK: | when you say 'true' you have me wondering are there 2 types of LED Monitors out there? |
| [16:54:48] | wagnerrp: | there are LED monitors made using addressable arrays of LED pixels, commonly known as jumbotrons |
| [16:54:58] | wagnerrp: | those are the giant displays you see at sports stadiums |
| [16:55:17] | AnthonyUK: | k |
| [16:55:19] | wagnerrp: | then there are LCD monitors that marketing types sell as LED monitors, because they have an LED backlight |
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| [16:58:26] | AnthonyUK: | right now my picture isnt jumpy im gona have some fun, one of the things I have been itching to do is record 5 channels at same time off the one multiplex, see if the HDD in it can write fast enough |
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| [17:10:54] | wagnerrp: | SteveGoodey: i'm going to start making the IP bans 4 months, so accounts stop showing up in my query when the IP ban lapses |
| [17:11:09] | wagnerrp: | mediawiki automatically flushes the IPs out of the database after 4 months or so |
| [17:19:11] | SteveGoodey: | wagnerrp: So no matter if I pick a longer ban period for IPs they come out at 4 months? |
| [17:19:52] | wagnerrp: | no, IP bans last as long as you want them to, but the records of what IP users last accessed the wiki from only last 3–4 months |
| [17:20:11] | wagnerrp: | so previously, when i would ban for 3 months, there would be a couple weeks in there where they should show back up on my database query |
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| [17:25:30] | SteveGoodey: | wagnerrp: What on earth are doing up a scissors lift these days? This your new job? |
| [17:26:00] | wagnerrp: | industrial programming for conveyor systems |
| [17:26:06] | wagnerrp: | this conveyor just happened to be suspended |
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| [17:42:20] | [1]AnthonyUK: | Dam internet drops |
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| [17:50:07] | AnthonyUK: | WOA it worked 5 channels simulataneously recorded with one tuner |
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| [17:52:14] | SteveGoodey: | That was close, nearly banned him on the wiki! |
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| [17:54:12] | SteveGoodey: | If only you could watch 5 programmes at the same time. I don't record much but it still gets way ahead of me. |
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| [18:01:08] | wagnerrp: | wait, are you saying the Back to the Future video wall is a usability nightmare, and not realistically viable? |
| [18:20:21] | htpc_: | where is the weather? |
| [18:21:45] | wagnerrp: | the weather? |
| [18:22:15] | wagnerrp: | there is the MythWeather plugin |
| [18:22:20] | wagnerrp: | assuming you have it compiled and isntalled |
| [18:23:01] | htpc_: | I'm running mythbuntu, so I didn't add anything. |
| [18:23:07] | htpc_: | I thought it was included. |
| [18:23:19] | htpc_: | no biggie, if I have to add manually though |
| [18:26:09] | htpc_: | is it under TV or it's own menu item? |
| [18:26:32] | wagnerrp: | its under Information Center --> Weather |
| [18:28:26] | htpc_: | OK. Looks like it needs to be added. Thanks. |
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| [18:53:04] | htpc_: | wagnerp: I feel dumb asking this... where do I configure this? I'm on the mythtv.org site and the docs are out of date. |
| [18:53:28] | wagnerrp: | you've installed it? |
| [18:54:34] | htpc_: | well, the myth site said most prebuilt binary copies have it already installed. |
| [18:54:56] | htpc_: | I'm running mythbuntu, so I thought it would be installed |
| [18:55:17] | wagnerrp: | if you don't see the option in the menus, then you need to install it |
| [18:55:33] | htpc_: | apt-get ? or another method? |
| [18:55:47] | wagnerrp: | that, or there might be something in mythbuntu control center |
| [18:55:49] | wagnerrp: | i've never used it |
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| [19:13:27] | Korny: | Afternoon |
| [19:21:02] | AnthonyUK: | Is mythbuntu stripped down and if so How much? |
| [19:21:55] | AnthonyUK: | I have a homeserver that I run 24/7, seeding torrents, running a ftp backing up files, hosting network shares of files so all other computers on the lan can access them |
| [19:22:13] | Korny: | You can add anything to mythbuntu that you can add to ubuntu |
| [19:22:18] | AnthonyUK: | my plan is to make my homeserver also be the backend for mythtv |
| [19:22:37] | Korny: | Well sorta |
| [19:22:39] | AnthonyUK: | I'm still geting hang of linux |
| [19:22:53] | Korny: | Mythbuntu just has a different GUI, it doesn't use UNITY |
| [19:23:25] | AnthonyUK: | so the easiest method would be best for me, if that means getting ubuntu server and putting mythtv on it then so be it. if its easier to have mythbuntu and put all my homeserver bits on it then that is the way to go |
| [19:23:43] | AnthonyUK: | have they stripped it down in anyway though? |
| [19:24:08] | lautriv: | AnthonyUK, what distro runs now ? |
| [19:24:47] | AnthonyUK: | I'm messing about with mythbuntu 12.04.2 on a comp that I don't use anymore, my homeserver currently runs win7 32 |
| [19:25:59] | lautriv: | AnthonyUK, so i would suggest to do a proper mainstream distro on it and just install the myth part where your server will need only the backend and DB anyway. |
| [19:26:15] | AnthonyUK: | Windows Media Centre has a nice interface and gets cards working easily but erm it just don't work with other media centres programming schedule, it cant use tuners on other media centres |
| [19:26:38] | Korny: | But WMC also follws DRM rules if that matters to you |
| [19:27:53] | AnthonyUK: | I'm not sure I know entirely what they are, but it used to be I had 3 windows 7 2 desktops and the homeserver, if i tell my computer to record something then go bed |
| [19:28:02] | AnthonyUK: | it can come on in middle of night and wake me up |
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| [19:29:09] | AnthonyUK: | this is a better description of what im on about, its like going out and getting 3 tv tuners that have built in hard drives, they all each doing there own thing oblivious to the other |
| [19:29:36] | AnthonyUK: | and MythTV gets more out of your TV Cards |
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| [19:30:42] | AnthonyUK: | plus all the plugins |
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| [19:35:12] | htpc_: | AnthonyUK: Well it's my first go of it, but it seems mythvideo and mythtv are installed. |
| [19:36:54] | htpc_: | I just installed the weather plugin, but I can only seem to get major cities, not precise weather like my town. I live outside Boston, MA. |
| [19:37:30] | lautriv: | htpc_, it's not like the weather had precise borders ;) |
| [19:42:20] | htpc_: | lautriv: true, but I'm 60 mi away... |
| [19:42:38] | htpc_: | 100km |
| [19:42:52] | Korny: | htpc you can make it more specific, use airport codes |
| [19:42:57] | Korny: | have worked well fo rme |
| [19:45:05] | lautriv: | htpc_, shortest way to central-boston is 53 Miles from your house and that's not so much for weather-prognose, however you aren't that close to the sea and might hav a lightly miler one. |
| [19:45:45] | lautriv: | *milder |
| [19:49:58] | htpc_: | lautriv: are you getting my location from ip data? |
| [19:50:13] | htpc_: | it's not that accurate |
| [19:51:05] | lautriv: | htpc_, if your provider doesn't lie that's the house in welby road/edge phillips road and you may see directly the polish national cemetry. |
| [19:51:29] | htpc_: | I might be about 50–60 miles directly, but I am coastal. I can see the ocean. That's why i was looking for closer weather stations. The weather here is different from 3 miles up the road. |
| [19:52:42] | htpc_: | Korny: airport codes worked well. The only things they didn't work on were maps, which are so wide it doesn't matter anyways, and the emergency weather alerts... so I used Providence, RI. |
| [19:53:00] | lautriv: | htpc_, however, the matter of precision depends on next station and if they provide data. |
| [19:53:04] | htpc_: | lautriv: no |
| [19:53:09] | htpc_: | that's about 20 minutes away |
| [19:53:29] | htpc_: | I can walk to the ocean in about 5 min. |
| [19:53:45] | htpc_: | google new bedford, ma |
| [19:55:50] | htpc_: | It's a fishing town. Lots of boats for the wealthy and fishing boats... maybe one day I'll have a boat. :) |
| [19:56:09] | lautriv: | htpc_, was there and i found also "hanover" which sounds like a fork of a german city ;) |
| [19:56:17] | htpc_: | Place smells like fish in the summer though... :) |
| [19:57:10] | htpc_: | I was supposed to go to Munich this September, but my buddy I was going to go with, cancelled.... boo. Clearly his priorities are not correct. |
| [19:57:55] | htpc_: | Dallas/Ft. Worth, Texas has a strong German influence. I wasn't expecting that.... who knew? |
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| [20:12:37] | lautriv: | htpc_, there are a bunch of locations where you could speak german like at home ( from a standpoint of a german of course ) |
| [20:13:23] | lautriv: | e.g. where the gouvernator resides :o) |
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| [20:25:23] | dshay: | trying to compile head, getting this error : |
| [20:25:27] | dshay: | ././libmythtv/test/test_mpegtables/test_mpegtables: error while loading shared libraries: libmythhdhomet open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| [20:26:20] | dshay: | that's libmythhdhomerun |
| [20:26:35] | dshay: | did a make distclean and re-ran configure/make as well |
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| [20:53:56] | htpc_: | One of my roommates in college was German, Anselm. Great guy. I remember the first day; he pulled out a stack of Irish whiskey. He had come from Trinity College, in Dublin, so he had a HUGE box of whiskey.. haha |
| [20:55:09] | htpc_: | He also made awesome cakes. I still talk about them to this day. Orange, poppy-seed, rum cake... yum.... |
| [20:55:15] | htpc_: | lautriv: ^ |
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| [21:15:29] | nth: | Hello. What is the usual way to ask for a hint here? |
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| [21:16:55] | wagnerrp: | just ask |
| [21:19:17] | nth: | Imusing mythtv for a while now. I experienced that for some channels the program was not shown in the guide. Now a noticed that the data for this channel is existing in the myth-db. Is there something to configure which I forgot? |
| [21:20:41] | wagnerrp: | if the data is in the database, it will be shows in the program guide |
| [21:20:48] | wagnerrp: | did you mark the channel as not visible? |
| [21:22:22] | nth: | visible '1' and useonairguide too |
| [21:22:44] | nth: | alsothechannelisshownin the list,but thereis no data |
| [21:22:48] | wagnerrp: | do you have an xmltv provider or schedules direct configured for the channel? |
| [21:23:04] | nth: | no, i do useonl eit |
| [21:23:24] | wagnerrp: | ok, just making sure you don't have both configured |
| [21:23:36] | nth: | sorry,my keyboard is broken, space hangs sometimes :) |
| [21:23:39] | wagnerrp: | mixing guide data sources tends to cause problems with duplicate detection |
| [21:23:48] | wagnerrp: | although that wouldn't cause what issue you're seeing |
| [21:24:11] | nth: | i thought into thesamedirection,frois have 2 tuners |
| [21:24:21] | wagnerrp: | with two different sources? |
| [21:24:26] | nth: | so i seea tv channelwith 2 chanids |
| [21:24:33] | nth: | think so |
| [21:24:59] | wagnerrp: | should they actually be two different sources? you have them connected to antenna pointed in different directions, each with their own channel list? |
| [21:25:21] | nth: | no, both are used with astra |
| [21:25:31] | nth: | so imade a misconfiguration? |
| [21:25:31] | wagnerrp: | then they should be on the same video source |
| [21:26:24] | nth: | maybe that mightbe the reason why i have problems doing 2 recordings at thesame time? |
| [21:26:57] | nth: | or is this a different issue? |
| [21:27:16] | wagnerrp: | possibly, mythtv doesn't think the second tuner is usable |
| [21:27:29] | wagnerrp: | delete the second source, and map the second tuner to the first source |
| [21:27:58] | nth: | the cards are used in a riser card. i thought that this is the cause. maybe iwas wrong |
| [21:28:17] | nth: | i will try this out |
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| [21:54:21] | nth: | this one finally fixed my issue. thanks a lot wagnerrp |
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| [22:19:32] | lwizardl: | hello |
| [22:19:59] | htpc_: | mythtv user can not run fceux for mythgame |
| [22:20:22] | wagnerrp: | does it not have execute permissions on that executable? |
| [22:21:05] | htpc_: | it starts, but then issues: No protocal specified |
| [22:21:09] | htpc_: | init kbd. |
| [22:21:32] | htpc_: | then states it cannot initialize SDL |
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| [22:21:42] | htpc_: | unable to open a console terminal |
| [22:21:58] | htpc_: | I can run this as my current user |
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| [23:08:24] | AnthonyUK: | lautriv: it was a dodgy 2m aerial extension lead. It was also my old P4, 1GB RAM and Radeon 9550 256MB couldn't run the monitor which was 1680*1050. So I dialed down the display res to 1024x576 |
| [23:08:43] | AnthonyUK: | after that the stutering images and garbled blocks went away |
| [23:09:16] | AnthonyUK: | anyways it has been a long day so I'm going to bed, gn all |
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| [23:09:23] | wagnerrp: | not the deinterlacer? output resolution shouldnt matter |
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