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| [00:45:04] | dashs: | havin build prob w/ 0.26 on Debian 7: link of libmythzmq can't find crti.o crtbeginS.o crtendS.o or crtn.o |
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| [05:16:54] | lautriv: | anyone using lirc with a hid device for myth ? |
| [05:23:13] | sheppard: | wouldn't it be better to do xmodmap or whatever? |
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| [06:19:41] | lautriv: | sheppard, i have some issues with this thingie. once there was a hid_mapper which worked reasonable but broke on libc upgrade, now i search something that works at all. i may mention the recent Xorg doesn't modmap but suspects properties from udev which actually can't map this thingie. |
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| [10:28:35] | k-man: | is it possible to get mythtv to not record a certain station on a certain tuner card? |
| [10:28:52] | k-man: | seems like one of my tuner cards has issues receiving ABC in .au |
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| [11:42:38] | niobos: | Hi, I'm looking for good hardware for a new MythTV box. |
| [11:42:47] | niobos: | This is my current hardware list: http://pastebin.com/CbNsbFi5 |
| [11:43:01] | niobos: | Any feedback/comments/recommendations? |
| [11:43:56] | niobos: | (it still lacks a HDD) |
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| [11:55:55] | niobos: | Now with HDD: http://pastebin.com/KnBu6qnH |
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| [14:09:23] | dekarl: | k-man you can create two video sources (one with and one without that channel) and assign each to the right tuner inputs |
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| [15:12:58] | dekarl: | one hour of free support for everyone who finds all three meanings of my last mail to users ^^ |
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| [15:59:29] | sheppard: | can we just say I won even though I don't subscribe to -users? |
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| [16:01:23] | dekarl: | sheppard: please don't. I'm looking for the answer to your question, too :( (have a bunch of nyxboards with crap mapping over here) |
| [16:02:25] | sphery: | dekarl: hehe, I'm having a hard time finding even 1 meaning... I feel so outside of the inside joke. |
| [16:02:59] | dekarl: | nvm sheppard, I've mixed up your reply with a question. But I have no idea wrt sending IR |
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| [16:09:27] | sheppard: | dekarl: <3 |
| [16:09:41] | sheppard: | dekarl: my only issue is my stb goes to sleep after 4 hours |
| [16:12:06] | niobos: | I'm not sure if this is considered rude or not, so I'll take my chances of repeating myself every few hours: |
| [16:12:20] | niobos: | I'm assembling a mythtv box: http://pastebin.com/KnBu6qnH |
| [16:12:30] | niobos: | any comments/suggestions on the hardware list? |
| [16:12:45] | sphery: | I still recommend asking on the list... there have been several threads over the years where that was a problem and after finding out the STB model (and sometimes specific provider), someone else was able to give instructions for how to disable the feature in the STB or, at worst, how to work around it |
| [16:12:59] | sphery: | er, ^^^ for sheppard |
| [16:14:01] | sheppard: | sphery: well, they pushed custom fw to the stb for this 'feature'. I have friends pretty high up at the cable co, and they asked the middleware guys and there's no way to turn it off |
| [16:14:06] | sphery: | niobos: you know my recommendations, but I thought of one more--especially if you want relatively-low power usage (and it helps reliability, too): get an 80 PLUS PSU or better (better meaning bronze/silver/gold/...) |
| [16:14:23] | sheppard: | sphery: so I'm thinking some hackey script, or finding some null remote code to send via my channel change script |
| [16:14:32] | niobos: | it's an 80+ gold |
| [16:14:43] | niobos: | and a WDC "green" hdd |
| [16:14:50] | sphery: | nice |
| [16:14:55] | niobos: | so power-usage-wise, that should be good |
| [16:14:55] | sheppard: | niobos: my only complaint is the wdc green doesn't like a 24x7 duty cycle |
| [16:15:07] | niobos: | (performance wise, a bit less, but probably still enough) |
| [16:15:20] | sheppard: | niobos: and I'd run 2 hdd's in raid1 if thats where your storing your recordings |
| [16:15:26] | sphery: | and for the HDD, it's better if you can separate the boot/root/MySQL data disk from the recording disk... At minimum, put them on separate partitions, but separate disks is nicer |
| [16:15:52] | niobos: | sheppard: what do you mean "like"? I have a WDC-green running 24x7 without a problem for almost 2y now |
| [16:16:20] | sphery: | I don't do raid (it's just TV, so it's not worth the extra cost), but you can--just don't make it a single huge raid... you're better off with at least one file system (ideally at least one spindle) per concurrent recording |
| [16:16:24] | sheppard: | niobos: it isn't rated for it, and you can see higher failure rates |
| [16:16:43] | niobos: | sphery: separate partition sounds obvious: why separate disk? IMHO, most of the system partition will be in RAM anyway, so not much interference? |
| [16:17:09] | sphery: | mysql data usage is quite high in mythtv |
| [16:17:47] | sphery: | and therefore, the mysql data is constantly being read/written during recording, and--especially if using a file system with barriers enabled--can result in recording issues due to I/O wait |
| [16:17:56] | niobos: | sheppard: probably... but if I'm concerned with failure rates, I should go all raid-6-foo and trippel my budget and power usage |
| [16:18:21] | niobos: | sheppard: let me rephrase that: if I'm *obsessed* with failure rates ... |
| [16:18:43] | niobos: | sphery: I should talk more to you, I always get new insights... |
| [16:19:06] | niobos: | but I don't think it's worth an extra spindle/power-usage/noise |
| [16:19:09] | sheppard: | niobos: hah, that's allowed. I've had too many drive failures ruin my day to run single drives |
| [16:19:11] | sphery: | and same disk necessarily means heavy seeking when going between mysql data and recording--and, if recording multiple recordings to the same disk/file system, means lots of fragmentations (as we have multiple 6GB-or-so files written out over a period of an hour or so) |
| [16:19:58] | niobos: | fragmentation would depend on the file system in use, not on the concurrency of disk access |
| [16:20:01] | niobos: | ? |
| [16:20:14] | sphery: | anyway, you can get by with just one disk, but if you have an old (but still reliable) small disk, it makes for a perfect boot/root/MySQL data disk |
| [16:20:45] | sphery: | no, while file systems try to limit fragmentation, the /only/ way to prevent it is to pre-allocate the /entire/ file size at the time of file creation |
| [16:20:57] | niobos: | sheppard: I'll accept my possible losses of my episodes of whatever series was hot yesterday |
| [16:21:17] | niobos: | if it's important (mysql-db, etc), I'll have a backup on another disk somewhere |
| [16:21:35] | sphery: | file systems attempt to guess how much space to leave, but if you start 4 recordings at once, and they'll end up as 6GB files, you'll almost definitely get fragmentation, regardless of file system |
| [16:22:04] | niobos: | sphery: ok, I get that, but that is not affected by having the mysql on the same spindle or not? |
| [16:22:10] | sphery: | unless you over-tweak your xfs or something with huge enough limits that those limits are soon impossible due to the way data becomes spread out on the disk |
| [16:22:30] | sphery: | right, the mysql stuff is unrelated to the fragmentation |
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| [16:22:53] | sphery: | was just explaining why multiple disks and file systems is better than one if doing multiple concurrent recordings |
| [16:23:17] | niobos: | is Myth smart enough to record to different FSes when doing concurrent records? |
| [16:23:38] | sphery: | you choose a Storage Group disk scheduler and it specifies how it uses the file systems |
| [16:23:53] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Storage_Groups#Sto . . . sk_Scheduler |
| [16:24:05] | sphery: | I, personally, prefer Combination |
| [16:24:25] | sphery: | many are using Balanced Free Space, but it doesn't really do things the way they expect, so it often causes problems |
| [16:24:53] | sphery: | Some use Balanced Percent Free Space (not listed there, but needs adding), and it's about like Balanced Free Space--often causes problems |
| [16:25:21] | sphery: | the problems being stacking too many recordings on one file system at a time (because you just deleted a bunch of recordings that all happened to be on that same disk, so it's usage is much lower) |
| [16:25:55] | niobos: | since what version is this is Myth? |
| [16:26:20] | niobos: | As I've said yesterday, I've used Myth before (back then it was 0.19 or so), but can't remember this |
| [16:27:00] | sphery: | or, once you fill up disks and rely on auto-expiration, shows that record to your 250GB disk expire within days of recording, regardless of your auto-expire priority |
| [16:27:20] | sphery: | (people using auto-expire should almost never use Balanced *Free Space) |
| [16:27:56] | niobos: | an a different note: I've picked a GeForce GT610 graphic card, but there seems to be some disagreement whether that will support VDPAU-based deinterlacing |
| [16:28:04] | sphery: | I think we got Storage Groups (and all the above--except Balanced Percent Free Space scheduler, which was added later, and, therefore, hasn't been put in the wiki page) in 0.20 |
| [16:28:10] | niobos: | some people claim it doesn't support Advanced 2x |
| [16:28:20] | niobos: | other say they've been using it without a problem in that mode |
| [16:28:35] | niobos: | and the above combination with 50Hz / 60Hz thrown into the discussion |
| [16:28:45] | sphery: | it does support VDPAU-based deint--even for 1080i60, but the question is whether it will support Advanced 2x |
| [16:28:58] | sphery: | there are many other VDPAU deints available |
| [16:29:33] | sphery: | I don't follow the nvidia cards that much, so I'm not an expert, but I have heard people claim both sides on the 610 |
| [16:29:56] | niobos: | either way, I'm in Europe, so mostly on the "easier" 50Hz-side |
| [16:29:58] | sphery: | the 410, 420, and 430 don't seem capable of advanced 2x on 1080i60 |
| [16:30:05] | sphery: | the 520 may... |
| [16:30:23] | sphery: | yeah, shouldn't be a problem at all on 1080i50 |
| [16:30:39] | niobos: | the 610 is claimed to be "the same as 520", but also "x% faster than the 520", for various values of x (mostly <20) |
| [16:31:01] | sphery: | though that may not be the case if it's H.264... not sure how the codec (and its computation requirements come into play--or even if they do) |
| [16:31:32] | niobos: | as I understand it, they don't, since decoding is done in hardware on the GPU, and de-int in done on different hardware (the shaders) |
| [16:31:45] | sphery: | yeah the most-recent claim I heard was that the 610 was fine and so was a 520 |
| [16:31:55] | niobos: | I'll take my chances |
| [16:32:02] | niobos: | the 640 is like tripple the price |
| [16:32:45] | sphery: | yeah, and if it doesn't, just use a different deint... I was sadly disappointed when I got my first VDPAU-capable card and turned on VDPAU decoding and rendering with VDPAU Advanced 2x deinterlacing and didn't see the rainbows and unicorns that the people on the list promised me |
| [16:33:18] | niobos: | you must have played the wrong video then ;-) |
| [16:33:57] | sphery: | (meaning I have a feeling that the differences are much smaller than people claim--and possibly not even noticeable, especially as there's a /lot/ more equipment/connections/in-display processing occurring) |
| [16:34:02] | niobos: | The only reason why I prefer VDPAU is that I assume it will be more power-efficient/faster to decode |
| [16:34:22] | sphery: | yeah, likely |
| [16:34:54] | niobos: | and since I'm no fan of interlaced formats, my brain will use the poor de-int quality as an example of why I'm right ;-) |
| [16:35:04] | niobos: | so either way, I'll be happy |
| [16:35:42] | niobos: | At work (I work at a broadcaster), they've just done a test today with 1080p25 |
| [16:35:47] | sphery: | I don't know about the 610, but a GF430 generally added about 7–9W at idle to a system and a GF220 was 9–11W... They had TDPs of somewhere around 39W, so decoding (which could bring your CPU close to max load, depending on content/codec/bitrate) would max out around 30W (and I doubt it even hit that) |
| [16:35:53] | niobos: | becaus it looks "better" |
| [16:36:06] | sphery: | hehe |
| [16:36:16] | sphery: | it looks better if you have a bad deinterlacer |
| [16:36:29] | niobos: | you know what the actual conclusion was? |
| [16:36:53] | sphery: | but then again, people claim that the "let's invent 4 frames for every one we're given" approach makes video look better |
| [16:36:57] | sphery: | what was it |
| [16:37:01] | sphery: | the conclusion? |
| [16:37:01] | niobos: | "the 1080i compression applied by our distribution-chain actually "softens" the effect to be more pleasing" |
| [16:37:13] | sphery: | hehe |
| [16:37:24] | sphery: | oh, they decided 1080i looks better... that's funny |
| [16:37:35] | niobos: | about the TDPs: are you talking CPU or GPU? |
| [16:37:42] | sphery: | I will say it definitely looks better if temporal resolution is more important than spatial resolution |
| [16:37:47] | sphery: | GPU |
| [16:38:04] | niobos: | I'm advocating 720p50, so that has the same temporal res |
| [16:38:14] | sphery: | so if the GF is 39W TDP and the CPU is a 65W... you're likly saving some power |
| [16:38:20] | sphery: | right |
| [16:38:28] | sphery: | what's upstream source? |
| [16:38:36] | sphery: | or is it avialalbe in multiple? |
| [16:38:59] | niobos: | but my CPU is an i3–3220T at 35W |
| [16:39:13] | sphery: | here in the US, the national network pretty much determines the format and the local affiliates use it |
| [16:39:30] | sphery: | ah, yeah, a 35W CPU may actually be less power |
| [16:39:36] | niobos: | they're sketchy on that: "1080i" and "the same clip in 720p", but I'm not sure if they shot the scene again, or "changed the setting" |
| [16:39:37] | sphery: | that said, it's not a lot |
| [16:39:43] | sphery: | and it leaves the CPU for the rest |
| [16:40:00] | sphery: | and especially since it's a couple hours a day of decoding, ... |
| [16:40:11] | sphery: | hehe |
| [16:40:13] | niobos: | that was mostly my goal: leave CPU for the rest. I may move to softCAM, so I'd need some CPU to do that |
| [16:40:30] | niobos: | (or probably, like 3% of the cpu) |
| [16:40:59] | sphery: | we only support hardware CAM/CI (and we don't allow discussion of soft) |
| [16:41:12] | sphery: | just to let you know |
| [16:41:19] | niobos: | I know |
| [16:41:31] | niobos: | but I've got it to work before |
| [16:41:41] | niobos: | so I'll probably get it to work again |
| [16:41:41] | sphery: | we don't want to know that |
| [16:41:50] | ** niobos switches topic ** | |
| [16:42:34] | sphery: | even if you can do so without violating terms of service and/or laws, most use of it is in violation of terms of service (and, usually, egregious violations, such as theft of service), so we can't be associated with it |
| [16:42:49] | sphery: | so, yeah, other topic |
| [16:43:54] | sphery: | anyway, on the power usage, my treatise is: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/448321#448321 |
| [16:43:55] | niobos: | Any experience with the TBS-tuners? |
| [16:44:55] | ** niobos fires up browser and reads ** | |
| [16:45:12] | sphery: | and the basic point is that there's a point of diminishing returns on power savings and a few watts here and there--especially when only occuring during decoding a couple hours a day or whatever--isn't a huge deal |
| [16:45:53] | sphery: | but you can get a great system (like the one you're designing) that has both headroom for when you need processing and is low power usage (versus just power-constrained--and always slow/underperforming) |
| [16:46:22] | niobos: | " Assume a national average retail price of $0.12/kWh" <<< WTF? it's more than double here..... |
| [16:46:44] | sphery: | anyway, once you build your system, I'd be very interested in hearing your power usage numbers if you can measure it (with a kill-a-watt or whatever) |
| [16:47:13] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, power here in the US is pretty cheap |
| [16:47:19] | niobos: | I mostly try to design for low power usage in situations where the system will be for a long time: i.e. "off" state or idle |
| [16:47:34] | sphery: | yeah |
| [16:47:48] | sphery: | and, fwiw, shutting down mythtv when not in use is always the best way to save power |
| [16:47:51] | niobos: | I don't mind spending money to actualy watch something; but I do care spending money for some device heating my garage being "off" |
| [16:47:57] | sphery: | and we have mechanisms for auto shutdown and wakeup |
| [16:48:07] | niobos: | mythwelcome, I assume? |
| [16:48:40] | sphery: | well, mythwelcome allows the auto-shutdown to occur (and in 0.26+, the frontend will idle itself, allowing auto-shutdown) |
| [16:49:18] | sphery: | but mythwelcome and mythshutdown are generally used together on a single-, combined-, frontend/backend system |
| [16:49:48] | niobos: | The only problem I currently have is: I can't find the "off" power consumption on any of the PSUs/Mobo's I looked at |
| [16:49:56] | sphery: | unfortunately we have 3 distinct mechanisms that apply in separate situations/configurations... we need to clean up and consolidate that stuff... it's also a mess and not well documented |
| [16:51:05] | niobos: | I eventualy found that the PSU has: "Standby drain of less than 0.3 Watts", which is nice |
| [16:51:18] | niobos: | but I don't know what the mobo will burn |
| [16:52:19] | niobos: | from what I understand that is left active in "off" state, it shouldn't be much |
| [16:52:24] | niobos: | but I can't find the number |
| [16:52:35] | sphery: | yeah, I think that's different depending on your "wake on" settings and such (whether it keeps USB or LAN or ... enabled) |
| [16:52:50] | sphery: | not sure what else might affect it |
| [16:53:19] | niobos: | I hope that disabling wake-on-X does shut down X, but it might also just flag X to be ignored... |
| [16:53:37] | sphery: | hehe, yeah--never know with those closed firmwares |
| [16:54:03] | niobos: | I've alse read people configuring their NIC down to 10base-T in standby to lower power consumption |
| [16:54:09] | sphery: | I know on some of my mobos when I enable wake on lan, the light on the nic stays on after shutdown (and is off when wake on lan is disabled) |
| [16:54:27] | niobos: | well, that's at least a LED worth of power saved ;-) |
| [16:54:41] | sphery: | similarly, my USB-connected remote receiver's LED is on when wake on USB is enabled and off when disabled |
| [16:54:45] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [16:55:16] | niobos: | short of actually buying a mobo and hooking it up with a power meter, there's no way to figure it out for sure |
| [16:55:49] | larrikin: | I'm trying to figure out the whole wake on USB thing atm on a new m/b |
| [16:55:50] | niobos: | For the tuners: any experience with TBS? |
| [16:55:53] | sphery: | right... same with cards/chips--even quoted numbers may be way off |
| [16:56:04] | sphery: | oh, forgot you asked that... no experience with that |
| [16:56:19] | niobos: | I've found a GPU with "power consumption: 300W" |
| [16:56:34] | sphery: | yeah, I think AMD has a 375W one, now |
| [16:56:35] | niobos: | although a different site mentioned "recommended PSU: 300W", which made a lot more sense |
| [16:56:44] | niobos: | (it was a 620 or so) |
| [16:56:55] | sphery: | though those are max power usage |
| [16:57:22] | niobos: | I'm worried more about getting 375W of heat out of the way quickly enough... |
| [16:57:29] | sphery: | right |
| [16:57:49] | sphery: | yeah, I hate running a computer that pumps heat into my house for my A\C to have to pump out |
| [16:58:15] | sphery: | anyway, I have to get some work done... good luck with your build |
| [16:58:17] | niobos: | aha, you might have cheap electricity, but here my computers are 100% efficient to assist the HEATING |
| [16:58:20] | larrikin: | anyone have experiences with E350 boards + myth? |
| [16:58:40] | niobos: | thx! |
| [16:58:58] | niobos: | larrikin: as you may have deduced: I'm currently assembling a box, so no... |
| [16:59:19] | larrikin: | uhuh |
| [16:59:45] | larrikin: | me too, so good luck to both of us..:) |
| [17:00:01] | niobos: | but if it's a generic question, I might be able to answer... |
| [17:00:05] | niobos: | (no promises though) |
| [17:00:44] | larrikin: | I have an 18W AMD APU ITX board and a CFI-A7879 'NAS' stle case |
| [17:01:52] | larrikin: | plus an atheros half/mini-pcir wlan/bt card ..so far |
| [17:03:09] | larrikin: | I'm planning to use 4x 2TB WD Red drives when the C/C can afford the pain again |
| [17:03:45] | niobos: | your setup seems to be a bit heavier than mine... |
| [17:05:45] | larrikin: | I'm also looking to put 4x USB tuners inside the box with a terrestrial tv passive splitter, with one tv socket at the back |
| [17:06:30] | niobos: | I've learned from sphery that USB isn't a good bus to put receivers in, since it's polling-based |
| [17:07:35] | larrikin: | the mobo bios 'supports' a CIR-controller, has an irDA header with no mention of how to connect a CIR receiver module, so fun times ahead |
| [17:09:03] | niobos: | I haven't even thought of IR remotes... thanks for reminding me about that ! |
| [17:09:08] | larrikin: | well I don't have a lot od choice unfortunately, the m/b has one pcie slot only |
| [17:09:21] | niobos: | that's not a lot |
| [17:09:35] | niobos: | I've moved from ITX to microATX for exactly that reason |
| [17:09:55] | niobos: | these usually have 4 of varying widths |
| [17:10:21] | larrikin: | kernel 3.7.x has support for the RT2832 USB tuner which looks .... interesting |
| [17:11:14] | niobos: | Yeah, I've read a lot of good about those new USB tuners |
| [17:11:21] | niobos: | but sphery talked me out of it |
| [17:11:35] | niobos: | (or rather, gave me a single argument that made me tip over) |
| [17:13:23] | larrikin: | my current myth box is an aopen i915GMm m/b dual A16A aver tuners and a silverstone lc02 case... getting dated, never got support for the chrontel tv scaler on that mobo .. so its time to upgrade |
| [17:14:45] | larrikin: | are all usb tuners polling-based, i'd heard otherwise |
| [17:15:10] | clever: | from what ive heard, all usb devices are polling based, just how the protocol works |
| [17:16:24] | niobos: | USB3 should support non-polling-based transfers (from what I've heard) |
| [17:16:39] | larrikin: | uhuh |
| [17:16:39] | niobos: | but USB2 and lower is indeed always polling-based |
| [17:18:12] | larrikin: | well, unfortunately thats the route I'm taking |
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| [17:18:37] | niobos: | sphery: for when you come back: when using hardware CAMs in such a card: http://www.buydvb.net/tbs6991-dvbs2-dual-tune . . . ard_p72.html |
| [17:19:10] | niobos: | sphery: can I use both tuners with a single CAM, or does each tuner require his CAM? |
| [17:20:29] | larrikin: | I'm guessing one CAM per access card/provider, not one per tuner, surely they'd share... |
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| [17:26:15] | niobos: | larrikin: I'm hoping they'd share, but I'm not familiar with hardware CAMs |
| [17:28:21] | niobos: | and if they're capable of decrypting two TSes; routing-wise and processing-power-wise |
| [17:29:47] | larrikin: | well, if you're simultaneously switch channels on multiple channels, it could get interesting |
| [17:30:10] | larrikin: | err .. its 3:30 am here ;) |
| [17:30:32] | larrikin: | *multiple tuners |
| [17:32:42] | niobos: | hence my question |
| [17:33:10] | niobos: | and since sphery has been my personal hero two days in a row, I'm hoping he'll know the answer right away |
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| [17:33:51] | larrikin: | ..but ultimately you'd only be expected to have one card per provider no? |
| [17:34:06] | larrikin: | hehe |
| [17:34:28] | niobos: | what card? Smartcard? PCIe card? |
| [17:35:01] | larrikin: | access card .. pay tv style? |
| [17:35:21] | niobos: | my (future) provider's smartcards are limited to 2 decodes (i.e. twice the ECM rate of a single channel) |
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| [17:35:35] | niobos: | so they can provide the needed decryption key fast enough |
| [17:35:44] | larrikin: | oh i c |
| [17:36:00] | niobos: | the question is: does the CAM have sufficient logic & power available to take in 2 (filtered?) TSes and decrypt them and keep them separate |
| [17:36:23] | niobos: | and is that the way it's supposed to work |
| [17:37:22] | larrikin: | I have little (read: no) experience with pay setups, so I'm going to quieten down now.. plus the booze is kicking in |
| [17:37:32] | sphery: | niobos: not sure... only thing I can say is that here in the US, we have CableCARD, which is our closest equivalent, but doesn't use the CI/CAM standard. Most all CableCARDs are M-cards, supporting multiple access per card (like 4 or 6 streams per card) |
| [17:37:57] | niobos: | sphery: I'm sure the smartcard supports 2 channels |
| [17:38:08] | sphery: | you'd get the best info from someone in your region |
| [17:38:17] | niobos: | (it does in softCAM ^H^H^H a different setup) |
| [17:38:27] | niobos: | I'm not sure about the CAM |
| [17:39:04] | niobos: | are they regularly around here? Or is the mailinglist a better location? |
| [17:39:41] | sphery: | I'd suggest the mailing list--you'll get more eyes on and won't have to worry about sending it at "just the right time" when someone who knows is looking |
| [17:40:02] | niobos: | users@, I assume? |
| [17:40:07] | sphery: | and same rules apply on list... we only support hardware cam/ci, and no mentions of alternate approaches :) |
| [17:40:12] | sphery: | yeah, mythtv-users list |
| [17:40:27] | sphery: | and will be more eyes than any other list, anyway |
| [17:40:35] | niobos: | hey, I'm currently considdering hardware CAM, isn't that progress? |
| [17:40:53] | sphery: | yes |
| [17:41:35] | niobos: | thx again |
| [17:41:37] | sphery: | but if the smart card you get from your provider supports multiple, I'd guess any hardware that uses it would also--because if they didn't and a competitor did, they couldn't compete :) |
| [17:41:52] | sphery: | just a guess though |
| [17:42:08] | niobos: | I agree, but there is one flaw in that argument: what competitor? |
| [17:42:15] | niobos: | (unfortunately) |
| [17:42:21] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [17:42:27] | sphery: | that changes things, far too often |
| [17:42:47] | sphery: | still, ask those in your region--likely someone is using the setup and knows from first-hand experience |
| [17:43:00] | niobos: | not that it's a monopoly; more like an oligopoly |
| [17:43:19] | niobos: | I can choose a fully closed IPTV set-top box |
| [17:43:27] | niobos: | a fully closed cable stb |
| [17:43:33] | niobos: | or a mostly open sat-based one |
| [17:43:46] | sphery: | fun |
| [17:44:05] | niobos: | I'll write the email tomorrow |
| [17:44:19] | niobos: | need to get some food now |
| [17:44:21] | niobos: | thx again |
| [17:44:28] | sphery: | I love that completely open, over-the-air meets my needs (supplemented with DVD/BluRay/Amazon Instant/Netflix) |
| [17:44:56] | niobos: | oh, yeah, we also have over-the-air, but only the public channels, not the commercial broadcasters |
| [17:45:11] | sphery: | I'd be so upset if I had to deal with cable/satellite co's and their conditional access + DRM that tries to keep me from using the service |
| [17:45:26] | niobos: | and Netflix.... well, not over here anytime soon I'm afraid |
| [17:45:30] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [17:46:21] | ** niobos heads of to get some food ** | |
| [17:47:17] | sphery: | But a lot of my friends are spending at least $50/mo ($90/mo or more cable bill, which includes cable internet, which I'm valuing at/paying $40/mo), which means I save $600/yr I can then spend on DVDs and BluRays, and I've /never/ come close to that amount and have way more to watch than time to watch it :) |
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| [18:21:48] | niobos: | sphery: My problem is that, while I currently don't have a cable subscription and hence EUR30/mo in DVD budget; I don't actually find myself buying DVDs... |
| [18:22:14] | niobos: | And the DVDs that I want to buy, are not sold here |
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| [18:22:46] | niobos: | but we're digressing |
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| [23:01:04] | wagnerrp: | larrikin: avoid those |
| [23:01:14] | wagnerrp: | the CPU isn't really powerful enough to handle most of the content |
| [23:01:29] | wagnerrp: | and the AMD graphics cannot be relied upon for video decoding |
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