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| [00:03:14] | justinh: | considering your cable STB has less CPU power inside, likely.. not really amazing :-) |
| [00:04:13] | justinh: | remember that a good proportion of tha $35 is the cost of the SoC |
| [00:04:41] | mattwj2002: | SoC? |
| [00:04:46] | mattwj2002: | summer of code? |
| [00:05:10] | justinh: | system on chip |
| [00:05:59] | mattwj2002: | oh yeah got |
| [00:06:00] | mattwj2002: | ya |
| [00:06:14] | wagnerrp: | right. the GPU, memory controller, and various IO controllers cost more than the ARM core |
| [00:07:01] | mattwj2002: | yeah to be honest |
| [00:07:35] | justinh: | the same or very similar SoCs are probably inside many a network media tank/player/STB |
| [00:07:36] | mattwj2002: | the case, power supply, ethernet cable, and hdmi cord cost more than the pi....not to mention the keyboard and mouse |
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| [00:08:09] | wagnerrp: | no. i mean the licensing and production of that ARM core probably amounted to $0.75 |
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| [00:08:42] | justinh: | and yet, as far from perfect as openelec & raspbmc are, they're still zillions of times better than other embedded products |
| [00:08:47] | mattwj2002: | why are ARM processors so cheap? |
| [00:08:55] | wagnerrp: | because there's nothing to them |
| [00:09:11] | justinh: | you buy a license to make em |
| [00:09:18] | wagnerrp: | i would be surprised if there are even 10M transistors dedicated to that ARM core |
| [00:09:25] | mattwj2002: | O.o |
| [00:09:29] | wagnerrp: | there's easily several times that in the embedded GPU |
| [00:10:24] | justinh: | it does well for what it is, but I'd never stake anything on it being 'best frontend evah' |
| [00:10:43] | justinh: | for price, for size... for power.. maybe |
| [00:10:49] | justinh: | performance-wise.. nah |
| [00:11:04] | justinh: | mind, I'd like to see the gap bridged somewhat |
| [00:11:08] | clever: | ive yet to even try to run a frontend on my pi, and omxplayer cant seek the mpg files from a pvr150 |
| [00:11:22] | mattwj2002: | I never was sayin performance wise |
| [00:11:26] | mattwj2002: | I mean for the price |
| [00:11:38] | justinh: | for the price, no argument |
| [00:11:52] | mattwj2002: | even a used desktop would not be as good for the price |
| [00:12:03] | justinh: | it'll be loads better than a networked media play costing several times as much |
| [00:12:08] | clever: | i'm sure you can get cable company DVR level performance out of an rpi, for a much better price |
| [00:12:22] | clever: | but getting the same performance as mythfrontend on modern hardware, wont be as easy |
| [00:13:09] | justinh: | yeah but.. by the same token I've got a blimmin C2D in my frontend, and it's absolutely wasted most of its life |
| [00:13:50] | clever: | i REALLY need to make time to upgrade things, Library API : 0.23.20100404–1 |
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| [00:14:01] | justinh: | anyway.. I'm beat. All this php hacking has made me tired |
| [00:14:03] | clever: | i'm still running a pre-git version of myth.... |
| [00:14:15] | mattwj2002: | pre-git version? |
| [00:14:23] | mattwj2002: | you haven't uploaded the changes yet? |
| [00:14:24] | clever: | back when the project was still svn only |
| [00:14:25] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [00:14:31] | mattwj2002: | oh my |
| [00:14:44] | mattwj2002: | time to upgrade :D |
| [00:14:55] | clever: | topic says stable release is 0.26.0, and ive only got 0.23, looks like a 2010 release |
| [00:15:21] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [00:16:07] | mattwj2002: | clever: what type of tuners? |
| [00:16:17] | clever: | pvr-150, single tuner |
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| [00:16:39] | wagnerrp: | i'm having a tough time figuring out just how many transistors are in an ARM11 |
| [00:17:26] | wagnerrp: | ARM9 is only 111K transistors |
| [00:17:37] | wagnerrp: | ARM11 may well be only a few hundred thousand |
| [00:17:39] | mattwj2002: | only 111k? |
| [00:17:41] | mattwj2002: | O.o |
| [00:18:10] | wagnerrp: | note, that's just the core |
| [00:18:16] | mattwj2002: | oh |
| [00:18:32] | wagnerrp: | it doesn't include the memory controller, IO controllers, graphics, or any of the other bits that make up a SoC |
| [00:19:11] | clever: | from how it works and behaves, it seems that the GPIO on the rpi is effectively running at FSB speeds |
| [00:19:32] | clever: | its memory mapped io, so everything has to miss the L1/L2 cache, then cross over to a slower clock domain |
| [00:19:40] | wagnerrp: | that's why that 700MHz ARM11 core in your Pi is only equivalent to a 250MHz P2 from 15 years ago |
| [00:20:01] | wagnerrp: | far fewer transistors mean it's doing far less work per cycle |
| [00:20:11] | mattwj2002: | that makes sense |
| [00:20:27] | clever: | my old master backend was a ~300mhz P2! |
| [00:20:36] | clever: | reschedule sucked, 30 seconds or more |
| [00:21:03] | clever: | and oddly, when i removed the pvr-150, it lost the ability to detect all the drives |
| [00:21:18] | clever: | 1/3 would always vanish on bootup |
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| [00:24:04] | mattwj2002: | if I had a 300 Mhz P2 to play 1080i video I would use that too |
| [00:24:06] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [00:24:11] | mattwj2002: | if it worked |
| [00:24:16] | mattwj2002: | for my needs |
| [00:24:44] | clever: | no hd capture cards, it had only just enough to software decode 480i mpeg2 |
| [00:25:47] | clever: | under some conditions (nfs livetv), it was unable to decode due to minor bugs inflating cpu usage |
| [00:27:32] | sheppard: | lol |
| [00:27:41] | sheppard: | 300mhz p2 playing 1080i |
| [00:27:44] | sheppard: | best of luck |
| [00:27:51] | clever: | basicaly, nfs + livetv means the mod-time on the file keeps changing (appending to it) |
| [00:27:57] | sheppard: | I remember my p3 550 katamai having issues with high bitrate xvid |
| [00:28:04] | clever: | that constantly nukes the read-ahead cache |
| [00:28:10] | clever: | forcing the nfs client to eat MANY times the needed bandwidth/cpu |
| [00:28:19] | clever: | with decent hardware, you dont notice it |
| [00:28:28] | mattwj2002: | sheppard: I don't even have a p2 anymore |
| [00:29:07] | sheppard: | I have some anchient 32bit p4's in my basement |
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| [02:07:30] | Guest74304: | mattwj2002, are you still here? |
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| [02:08:22] | mattwj2002: | I am Guest74304 |
| [02:08:23] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:08:27] | mattwj2002: | what is up? |
| [02:08:43] | wagnerrp: | no you're not. he is |
| [02:09:05] | mattwj2002: | huh? |
| [02:09:07] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:09:21] | wagnerrp: | you're not guest74304. guest74304 is |
| [02:09:25] | Guest74304: | wanted to pick up where we left off, what is the best way to debug the hdhomerun prime? |
| [02:09:43] | mattwj2002: | oh |
| [02:09:45] | mattwj2002: | haha |
| [02:09:49] | mattwj2002: | I meant |
| [02:09:54] | mattwj2002: | I am here Guest74304 |
| [02:09:56] | mattwj2002: | ;) |
| [02:11:39] | Guest74304: | Hi, I am running v26 using an HDhomerun prime for the tuner. Some HD channels don't record, however I can tune to them via live TV and then hit 'r' and they will record. How do I track down what is going on? |
| [02:12:41] | Guest74304: | i guess i could try 20130413beta1, but i'd rather try logging commands in myth and/or the hr |
| [02:13:22] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: |
| [02:13:37] | mattwj2002: | you would probably know better me |
| [02:14:26] | wagnerrp: | don't know what might cause that one |
| [02:14:49] | wagnerrp: | since live tv and schedules recordings are really the same exact thing |
| [02:14:54] | Guest74304: | any suggestions or pointers to how to debug this? |
| [02:15:19] | wagnerrp: | need to see backend logs |
| [02:16:01] | Guest74304: | do i need to turn on logging or that type of logging? |
| [02:16:19] | wagnerrp: | depends on how you ran mythbackend |
| [02:16:32] | mattwj2002: | var logs? |
| [02:16:53] | wagnerrp: | /var/log/mythtv/ is a good place to try |
| [02:19:12] | Guest74304: | ok, i'll poke around there and see if i can figure anything out |
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| [02:19:24] | wagnerrp: | pastebin them |
| [02:20:15] | Guest74304: | um, ok, i've never done that, i'll figure that out too :) |
| [02:20:35] | wagnerrp: | if you cannot find the log files, this may be useful... https://github.com/wagnerrp/mythtv-scripts/bl . . . /pastelog.py |
| [02:20:41] | mattwj2002: | http://pastebin.com/ |
| [02:20:42] | mattwj2002: | ;) |
| [02:20:46] | mattwj2002: | copy and paste |
| [02:21:06] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: you are an awesome human being? |
| [02:21:08] | mattwj2002: | oops |
| [02:21:12] | mattwj2002: | being! |
| [02:21:45] | Guest74304: | ok, afk for a while |
| [02:21:47] | wagnerrp: | i wrote that for someone a few months back when i was frustrated at being unable to get any logs from them |
| [02:22:13] | mattwj2002: | nice wagnerrp |
| [02:31:12] | splurben: | Recenty (in Australia), one multiplex on my MythTV v0.26.0_p20130322, channels don't decode on, but captured video files play correctly in mplayer2 |
| [02:31:57] | wagnerrp: | need some information about your playback hardware |
| [02:33:35] | splurben: | 01:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23885 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 02) |
| [02:33:35] | splurben: | 05:00.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23885 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 02) |
| [02:33:35] | splurben: | 07:02.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder (rev d0) |
| [02:33:37] | splurben: | nvidia GT8500, and three DVB-T PCI cards, |
| [02:33:50] | mattwj2002: | cpu? |
| [02:33:59] | mattwj2002: | memory? |
| [02:34:13] | mattwj2002: | my cpu sucks :( |
| [02:34:15] | splurben: | 16GB DDR3 Memory, Corei7 |
| [02:34:20] | mattwj2002: | oh my |
| [02:34:32] | mattwj2002: | trade ya systems ;) |
| [02:34:43] | splurben: | Sorry, video is Nvidia GeForce 8600GT |
| [02:35:33] | wagnerrp: | that should have no trouble playing... anything.. |
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| [02:35:56] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: I have an idea |
| [02:36:17] | wagnerrp: | you're using the nvidia drivers, correct? not the nv or nouveau drivers? |
| [02:36:25] | splurben: | I'm using nvidia |
| [02:36:29] | mattwj2002: | when you do playback doesn't it use a different multiplex than when you play back a recording? |
| [02:36:44] | mattwj2002: | maybe he only has one multiplex enabled |
| [02:36:45] | splurben: | 313.10 |
| [02:36:57] | wagnerrp: | when you play back a recording, you're not using any multiplex, because you're not actively recording anything |
| [02:37:14] | mattwj2002: | I mean video that has started to record sorry |
| [02:37:24] | splurben: | live tv and recorded tv don't play correctly, if I record a show and transcode it, I can view it |
| [02:38:12] | splurben: | I've tried both types of cards I have, the SAA and the CX and they both do the same thing, one multiplex of 3 channels are not displayed correctly |
| [02:38:14] | wagnerrp: | the only reason a livetv capture might work and a scheduled recording wouldn't is because of "quick tune" |
| [02:38:33] | wagnerrp: | there is an optional faster tuning strategy that is available for livetv |
| [02:38:45] | wagnerrp: | and if your channel scan is slightly wrong, one might work while the other fails |
| [02:38:49] | splurben: | i turned off quick tune, but both live and recorded don't display, I can only watch things recorded from that multiplex if I transcode |
| [02:39:03] | splurben: | maybe I'm not using the term multiplex correctly |
| [02:39:22] | wagnerrp: | but in this case, it's not that it's having trouble tuning, right? you're recording just fine, you just aren't playing it properly? |
| [02:39:23] | splurben: | I've retuned all the channels |
| [02:39:40] | splurben: | recordings are fine, tuning is on slow and it's been recently retuned |
| [02:42:32] | splurben: | Why would one multiplex not playback correctly? Is there a way to get MythTV to use an alternate method of playback on one multiplex? |
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| [02:46:26] | splurben: | I love in a small town. We have four digital station sets (2,21,22,23,24) (5,50,55) (6,62,63,64) (8,80,84,88). The channels that won't play are 8,80,84,88). |
| [02:47:54] | splurben: | Am I correct when I refer to that set of stations (8,80,84,88) as a multiplex? |
| [02:47:57] | mattwj2002: | splurben: what type of tuner? |
| [02:48:04] | mattwj2002: | you said DVB-T? |
| [02:48:31] | splurben: | DVB-T, I have a Conexant and a Phillips, I tried retuning with both. |
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| [02:49:07] | mattwj2002: | is 8 a weak signal? that is totally a guess |
| [02:49:26] | splurben: | 75% signal |
| [02:49:38] | mattwj2002: | how is the symbols rates? |
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| [02:49:45] | splurben: | where do I find that |
| [02:49:50] | mattwj2002: | I mean |
| [02:49:54] | mattwj2002: | symbol quality |
| [02:50:12] | mattwj2002: | I am not sure on those tuners....on an hdhomerun it shows on the client |
| [02:50:19] | mattwj2002: | app |
| [02:50:37] | splurben: | yes well, I see those numbers momentarily when changing channels, give me a tick |
| [02:51:25] | splurben: | sn 4.8 |
| [02:51:31] | splurben: | signal 75% |
| [02:51:58] | mattwj2002: | hmm |
| [02:52:03] | splurben: | is there a way to show that information while the channel is playing, the Audio is perfect by the way |
| [02:52:11] | mattwj2002: | weird |
| [02:52:48] | mattwj2002: | all I was thinking was the signal was too low that it took transcoding to clean up the picture enough to play |
| [02:52:54] | mattwj2002: | I think I am totally wrong |
| [02:53:18] | mattwj2002: | sorry splurben I don't think I'll be much help to you |
| [02:53:25] | splurben: | I've been using Mythtv since 2006 but I've never seen anything like this, it's like WIN (the station holder) has put a defective element in the signal to make 'recoreders' malfuntion |
| [02:53:49] | mattwj2002: | 2006? |
| [02:53:52] | mattwj2002: | oh my |
| [02:54:01] | mattwj2002: | that is about when I got involved in this |
| [02:54:21] | mattwj2002: | I started like 2004 or 2005 I think I was in college and I graduated in 2005 |
| [02:54:51] | mattwj2002: | I had analog tuners back then :P |
| [02:55:06] | splurben: | Well, this is my third Myth setup. I use the same machine for other services around the place as well. 4TB of online SAMBA / NETATALK storage, it's a Gentoo AMD64 box. |
| [02:55:28] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [02:55:35] | splurben: | Analogue tuners were a fucking nightmare, but we only got digital here last year |
| [02:55:44] | wagnerrp: | please watch your language |
| [02:55:49] | splurben: | sorry |
| [02:55:56] | mattwj2002: | really? |
| [02:56:04] | mattwj2002: | that is crazy |
| [02:56:21] | mattwj2002: | we got rid of analog a long time ago in the US |
| [02:56:29] | splurben: | I'm in rural Western Australia. |
| [02:56:42] | splurben: | As remote as the first world gets. |
| [02:56:49] | wagnerrp: | usually only framegrabbers were a nightmare |
| [02:56:54] | mattwj2002: | yeah June 12, 2009 |
| [02:56:56] | wagnerrp: | hardware encoders are generally painless |
| [02:57:12] | mattwj2002: | ages ago :) |
| [02:57:32] | splurben: | I'm really happy, but I'd love to find a way to watch multiplex 8 on my system, aside from transcoding every show |
| [02:57:50] | wagnerrp: | like a BttF video wall? |
| [02:57:53] | mattwj2002: | ota tv has been bad ever since especially rural areas |
| [02:58:07] | mattwj2002: | bttf video wall |
| [02:58:08] | mattwj2002: | haha |
| [02:58:32] | mattwj2002: | even in Minneapolis OTA hasn't been real nice |
| [02:58:46] | mattwj2002: | but I have a big water tower near me :( |
| [02:58:57] | splurben: | What's OTA? |
| [02:59:01] | mattwj2002: | over the air |
| [02:59:09] | mattwj2002: | DVB-T in Australian terms |
| [02:59:24] | mattwj2002: | ASTC in US terms |
| [02:59:29] | mattwj2002: | *ATSC |
| [02:59:30] | splurben: | Yes well, I'm near our tower, Australia only has cable in major cities. |
| [02:59:42] | mattwj2002: | same here |
| [02:59:52] | mattwj2002: | we have satellite in rural areas |
| [03:00:04] | wagnerrp: | we have cable in rural areas |
| [03:00:11] | wagnerrp: | that was the whole original purpose of cable |
| [03:00:22] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: that is true but only in town |
| [03:00:23] | wagnerrp: | tv for people in areas that can't get broadcast reception |
| [03:00:31] | mattwj2002: | I guess I should have been a little more clear on that |
| [03:00:41] | splurben: | So, can I look for anything with ffprobe to see what might be preventing these channels from playing correctly, do you want to see a sample of the video? |
| [03:00:52] | mattwj2002: | my family lives in the sticks |
| [03:01:02] | wagnerrp: | just 'dd' a 50MB chunk of it, and stick it somewhere for us to test |
| [03:01:12] | mattwj2002: | dd? |
| [03:01:16] | mattwj2002: | you can do that? |
| [03:01:24] | wagnerrp: | sure, it's a transport stream |
| [03:01:30] | mattwj2002: | O.o |
| [03:01:36] | wagnerrp: | it's explicitly designed that you can pick up anywhere and start playback |
| [03:01:37] | splurben: | yup, cool, give me two minutes |
| [03:02:37] | mattwj2002: | I just didn't know dd had that ability |
| [03:02:55] | wagnerrp: | had what ability? |
| [03:03:18] | mattwj2002: | to copy from a video source....it makes sense after you explained it though |
| [03:03:28] | mattwj2002: | I always think of dd as a disk tool |
| [03:03:38] | wagnerrp: | well it is |
| [03:03:47] | wagnerrp: | it copies one device node or file to another |
| [03:03:51] | wagnerrp: | that's all it does |
| [03:04:15] | mattwj2002: | good point |
| [03:04:45] | mattwj2002: | I am going to sound old fashion here but I wish we still had analog channels in the US |
| [03:04:48] | wagnerrp: | it's just that the TS files used for broadcast television can be split and spliced as desired with minimal ill effects |
| [03:05:12] | mattwj2002: | digital tv over the air doesn't work well for me |
| [03:05:14] | mattwj2002: | never has |
| [03:05:45] | mattwj2002: | and I live in a metro |
| [03:06:08] | wagnerrp: | with high-rises? |
| [03:06:54] | mattwj2002: | yes |
| [03:07:04] | wagnerrp: | you likely have multipath issues |
| [03:07:10] | splurben: | it will be finished uploading in 8 minutes, I'll post a URL then. |
| [03:07:14] | mattwj2002: | :( |
| [03:07:28] | wagnerrp: | newer tuners are better at handling that than old |
| [03:07:57] | mattwj2002: | maybe a newer tuner can help me |
| [03:08:08] | mattwj2002: | my current hdhomerun I purchased in 2007 |
| [03:08:15] | mattwj2002: | I found the old receipt in my e-mail |
| [03:08:16] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [03:11:01] | mattwj2002: | I have a wintv-dcr-2650 though |
| [03:11:11] | mattwj2002: | I haven't played much with ota on that though |
| [03:13:19] | wagnerrp: | or any... |
| [03:13:40] | mattwj2002: | any would probably be more precise yes |
| [03:13:57] | wagnerrp: | if you had, you would have very quickly realized it didn't do ATSC |
| [03:14:06] | mattwj2002: | it doesn't? |
| [03:14:11] | wagnerrp: | QAM only |
| [03:14:17] | mattwj2002: | O.o |
| [03:14:17] | mattwj2002: | crap |
| [03:14:25] | wagnerrp: | same with the Prime and InfiniTV |
| [03:14:41] | mattwj2002: | really crap |
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| [03:16:46] | mattwj2002: | new hdhomerun would be fine as long as comcast doesn't kill clearqam |
| [03:17:46] | splurben: | here's a link to 50MB of captured video from the channel that doesn't work http://rehost.splurben.com/mythForums/testPatch_splurben.mpg |
| [03:19:06] | splurben: | I'll be back in a few minutes, have to support a customer |
| [03:20:20] | mattwj2002: | that is weird |
| [03:20:25] | mattwj2002: | the quality looks good |
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| [03:21:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that's pretty nasty |
| [03:22:35] | wagnerrp: | worth putting something up on trac |
| [03:23:17] | mattwj2002: | can't hurt |
| [03:23:25] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: are you a mythtv dev? |
| [03:23:33] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:23:37] | mattwj2002: | I figured |
| [03:23:43] | mattwj2002: | you are a smart guy :) |
| [03:23:58] | wagnerrp: | "[wagnerrp] (~wagnerrp_@mythtv/developer/wagnerrp): Raymond Wagner" |
| [03:24:07] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [03:24:26] | mattwj2002: | mattwj2002: mythtv user |
| [03:24:28] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [03:24:48] | wagnerrp: | no... i mean you type '/whois wagnerrp' and you get that |
| [03:24:55] | mattwj2002: | I know |
| [03:24:59] | Guest74304: | thanks for your work wagnerrp |
| [03:25:31] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp is awesome |
| [03:26:01] | wagnerrp: | splurben: do you have any traffic limits on that link? |
| [03:26:23] | splurben: | not that I know of |
| [03:26:44] | wagnerrp: | then yeah, just make a new ticket on trac, and add that link |
| [03:27:04] | wagnerrp: | we (jya) did a resync a few days ago in master |
| [03:27:15] | wagnerrp: | i need to rebuild my frontends, and i'll check that video against it later tonight |
| [03:27:37] | mattwj2002: | frontends? |
| [03:27:42] | mattwj2002: | how many do you have? |
| [03:27:43] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [03:27:48] | wagnerrp: | three |
| [03:27:55] | mattwj2002: | nice how many backends? |
| [03:27:57] | Guest74304: | what is the best android fe solution |
| [03:27:58] | splurben: | sorry, no I don't have traffic limits |
| [03:28:03] | wagnerrp: | 1.5 |
| [03:28:11] | mattwj2002: | .5? :P |
| [03:28:24] | mattwj2002: | how do you get half a backend? |
| [03:28:31] | wagnerrp: | one of my frontends has a couple tuners and hard drives in it, but i never use it |
| [03:28:39] | wagnerrp: | they're old PVR-150s |
| [03:28:42] | mattwj2002: | oh got ya |
| [03:28:44] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
| [03:28:50] | mattwj2002: | I remember those days! |
| [03:29:36] | Guest74304: | i'm currrently building a home system with 3 tv frontends, and a laptop. i'm hoping to add phones and tabets :) |
| [03:29:57] | splurben: | wagnerrp: I have a 35GB / month traffic limit on that account, should be enough for you to run that link all around the place if you like |
| [03:30:22] | wagnerrp: | if you did, i was just going to re-upload it to some free file host |
| [03:30:37] | wagnerrp: | or maybe finally get around to writing one for mythtv |
| [03:30:47] | splurben: | no worries, thank you for the consideration |
| [03:31:14] | Guest74304: | what is the best android frontend solution? |
| [03:31:23] | mattwj2002: | Guest74304: what are you using for tv frontends? |
| [03:31:23] | splurben: | I'm a systems consultant, but MythTV is a long-standing hobby for me. I just don't have time to get that into the guts of it. |
| [03:34:20] | Guest74304: | a foxcon box, a used dell pc and a rikomagic(sp?) MK802-III |
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| [03:34:58] | mattwj2002: | ok |
| [03:35:06] | Guest74304: | got a zotac zbox for my primary be |
| [03:36:04] | Guest74304: | and a dlink 10/100/1000 managed switch :) |
| [03:36:17] | mattwj2002: | managed? |
| [03:36:18] | mattwj2002: | nice |
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| [03:36:25] | mattwj2002: | that is uncommon in a home |
| [03:37:21] | Guest74304: | heh, i'm a retired embedded sw/hw engineer :) |
| [03:37:34] | mattwj2002: | nice |
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| [03:40:31] | Guest74304: | worked for Phoenix Tech (BIOS), Tektronix (TV/audio), PMC-Sierra (networking chip manufacturer) among others |
| [03:43:38] | mattwj2002: | nice Guest74304 |
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| [04:12:11] | jya: | wagnerrp: AC3 encoding is currently broken in myth… I'm working on it |
| [04:13:54] | mattwj2002: | not good |
| [04:14:02] | jya: | a tad had to follow the conversion looking at the history… splurben can you summarise the issue you're seeing ? |
| [04:15:11] | wagnerrp: | the video is playing behind strobing black macroblocks |
| [04:15:27] | wagnerrp: | most of the image is black, you only get a couple blocks of each frame visible |
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| [04:16:06] | jya: | wagnerrp: you can reproduce this issue yourself? |
| [04:16:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, master, couple months old build |
| [04:16:28] | wagnerrp: | he posted a link to a 50MB chunk of video |
| [04:16:39] | splurben: | jya: one set of stations is not decoding correctly on MythTV 0.26_pre20120706, we receive 15 stations on 4 multiplexes, the stations on one multiplex don't decode to the screen correctly in LiveTV or Recordings, they work however, if I transcode them |
| [04:16:47] | jya: | wagnerrp: ah, so it's not a new bug... |
| [04:17:06] | wagnerrp: | do we have another similar ticket on trac already? |
| [04:17:10] | jya: | I don't care then :) |
| [04:17:19] | wagnerrp: | oh, no... not something caused by the resync |
| [04:17:29] | wagnerrp: | i mentioned it as it may have been FIXED by the resync |
| [04:17:38] | jya: | I see... |
| [04:17:39] | splurben: | jya: I have GeForce 8600GT, three dual-decoders CX and Philips |
| [04:17:50] | wagnerrp: | i haven't yet tested it with a recent build of mythtv |
| [04:17:59] | jya: | I can certainly give it a try… |
| [04:18:03] | splurben: | So is this an old problem? |
| [04:18:19] | jya: | splurben: have you tried playing the mpeg-ts file in another player? what do you get> |
| [04:18:37] | wagnerrp: | zoomplayer/ffdshow on windows works fine |
| [04:18:50] | splurben: | I'll test with VLC, and mplayer2 now. |
| [04:18:54] | wagnerrp: | actually... looks like it's a VDPAU bug |
| [04:19:03] | wagnerrp: | the software decoder plays it just fine |
| [04:19:16] | jya: | what about latest mplayer with vdpau then? |
| [04:19:27] | jya: | not mplayer2 |
| [04:20:30] | splurben: | steam plays okay in mplayer, mplayer2 and vlc |
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| [04:20:48] | jya: | anyhow.. once I'm done with the ac3 fix, and if my wife let me I'll look into it |
| [04:20:51] | splurben: | (vlc gets the deinterlace wrong) |
| [04:20:59] | jya: | splurben: but are you also using vdpau in those player? |
| [04:21:10] | splurben: | vdpau is in use to GeForce 8600GT |
| [04:21:12] | jya: | splurben: or change myth to use a software decoding profile and report |
| [04:21:28] | wagnerrp: | FFS... why does logitech want to add a plugin to firefox? |
| [04:21:49] | wagnerrp: | what software could there possibly be to make my mouse work better with my browser? |
| [04:21:51] | splurben: | do I need to recompice MythTV without VDPAU, or can I just change it in mythtv-setup |
| [04:21:58] | splurben: | recompile |
| [04:22:04] | wagnerrp: | just change the playback profile in mythfrontend |
| [04:22:14] | wagnerrp: | you had to manually select a VDPAU profile in the first place |
| [04:22:16] | splurben: | okay, one tick |
| [04:22:20] | wagnerrp: | the default profile is software decoding |
| [04:22:28] | Guest74304: | http://pastebin.com/rsXTFsu8 |
| [04:23:05] | jya: | splurben: mythfrontend -> setup -> video -> playback : change playback profile to normal |
| [04:23:35] | Guest74304: | that's the backend log |
| [04:23:57] | splurben: | jya: done, changed to OpenGL and the stations are now working |
| [04:24:17] | splurben: | jya: you're a legend! What impact will this have on CPU usage? |
| [04:24:38] | jya: | splurben: that's not fixing any bug.. it's just pin-pointing what the issue could be.. |
| [04:24:45] | jya: | now with mplayer |
| [04:24:51] | jya: | try to play the file with the following: |
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| [04:25:35] | jya: | mplayer -vo vdpau -vc ffh264vdpau,ffmpeg12vdpau,ffwmv3vdpau,ffvc1vdpau, filename |
| [04:26:02] | jya: | and post the output to pastebin.com |
| [04:26:17] | splurben: | jya: okay, give me a tick |
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| [04:36:39] | splurben: | jya: http://pastebin.com/0XmXpyiN |
| [04:36:40] | jya: | isn't the definition of a tick 1/8192th of a second ? |
| [04:37:07] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was an annoying little flesh eating insect |
| [04:37:12] | jya: | so… does it play fine? |
| [04:37:15] | splurben: | it's an Australianism for a few moments, I don't have automated scripts for pastebin |
| [04:37:23] | wagnerrp: | that, or patrick warburton |
| [04:37:45] | splurben: | the video plays |
| [04:37:54] | splurben: | interlacing didn't look right |
| [04:38:29] | jya: | in myth… in the video playback settings, try again with a vdpau profile, but disable deinterlacing… and report if you're still seeing the issue |
| [04:38:38] | splurben: | okay |
| [04:38:49] | jya: | splurben: mplayer doesn't do any deinterlacing.. so it's not going to look right |
| [04:40:34] | splurben: | jya: can't find an option for interlacing on Setup/Video/Playback |
| [04:40:46] | jya: | you go and edit the profile |
| [04:40:49] | jya: | select VDPAU normal |
| [04:40:56] | jya: | or better |
| [04:40:59] | Guest74304: | mattwj2002, wagnerrp either of you alive? |
| [04:41:02] | jya: | VDPAU low |
| [04:41:10] | wagnerrp: | not for long |
| [04:41:14] | jya: | and edit the only entry, disable deinterlacting there |
| [04:41:27] | Guest74304: | http://pastebin.com/rsXTFsu8 |
| [04:41:33] | Guest74304: | that's the backend log |
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| [04:42:34] | Guest74304: | i'm guessing that's the most helpful |
| [04:42:38] | wagnerrp: | PAT errors usually mean you need to rescan |
| [04:43:13] | splurben: | I can't find a profile option for, which menu is profiles under |
| [04:43:48] | Guest74304: | me? |
| [04:45:38] | Guest74304: | must be me, i see some PAT log lines |
| [04:46:23] | splurben: | jya: I can't find menu options for Profile on Front End, I just tried four different deinterlacing schemes on LiveTV using advanced video, and it just makes the blocks of video move around differently |
| [04:52:54] | Guest74304: | wagnerrp, manual can for channels? I don't know all the options, is there an faq or how to for comcast/hdhomerun? |
| [04:53:10] | Guest74304: | manual scan, not can |
| [04:53:17] | splurben: | jya: sorry, I understand now, I found it, I have Primary deinterlacer Bob (2x, HW), do I just delete the deinterlacer setting, I don't see an option to disable all deinterlacing, (it's shows custom filters vdpauskipchroma,vdpaucolorspace=auto as well, I didn't enter these.) |
| [04:53:26] | wagnerrp: | this is a prime? with a cablecard? |
| [04:53:37] | Guest74304: | prime |
| [04:53:59] | Guest74304: | and a 'M' card |
| [04:54:10] | jya: | splurben: actually try with bob2x first. then edit that provile and change the deinterlacer to none |
| [04:54:27] | wagnerrp: | a prime should never get any tuning errors, since mythtv doesn't actually do the tuning |
| [04:54:29] | wagnerrp: | the prime does |
| [04:54:46] | splurben: | jya: I have tried bob 2x aldready, I'll switch to none |
| [04:56:00] | splurben: | no change with deinterlace disabled on active VDPAU Slim profile with deinterlace set to none on primary and fallback |
| [04:56:02] | Guest74304: | so what would be different between live and scheduled record making live work but schedule fail? |
| [04:56:12] | splurben: | jya: no change with deinterlace disabled on active VDPAU Slim profile with deinterlace set to none on primary and fallback |
| [04:56:17] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [04:56:22] | jya: | splurben: so if you use OpenGL profile: good, any VDPAU profile : no good |
| [04:56:30] | jya: | which nvidia drivers are you using ? |
| [04:57:18] | splurben: | jya: 313.30 (it was the same with 310.44) |
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| [04:58:07] | splurben: | jya: correct OpenGL profiles work, VDPAU profiles don't work |
| [04:58:36] | Guest74304: | wagnerrp, maybe it's in how myth receives the stream? |
| [04:59:09] | wagnerrp: | ive not heard of anyone having such problems |
| [04:59:16] | Guest74304: | or i need to grab the prime log some how |
| [04:59:45] | splurben: | jya: I'm getting a little bit of stuttering with OpenGL High Quality |
| [05:00:08] | jya: | what's your CPU? |
| [05:00:19] | wagnerrp: | i7 something or other |
| [05:00:28] | wagnerrp: | nothing that should have any difficulty with any software decoding |
| [05:00:43] | jya: | with OpenGL High-Quality, a 8600GT isn't going to cut |
| [05:00:48] | jya: | for HD that is |
| [05:02:20] | splurben: | jya: yup, i see the stuttering only on HD channel |
| [05:02:33] | jya: | change to OpenGL standard |
| [05:03:01] | splurben: | jya: I've changed to OpenGL Normal, (I can put a newer card in there, I've been wanting to add HDMI port anyhow) |
| [05:03:32] | jya: | now need to find out the problem… likely a driver issue and nothing much we can do.. |
| [05:03:41] | jya: | you did have issue with mplayer using vdpau right ? |
| [05:03:44] | jya: | or you didn't |
| [05:03:50] | jya: | got interrupted, I forgot |
| [05:04:40] | splurben: | no, mplayer is perfectly viewable with vdpau |
| [05:05:03] | jya: | that's good.. at least that give something to compare it with |
| [05:05:09] | Guest74304: | wagnerrp, so where should i go from here? |
| [05:05:45] | splurben: | jya: OpenGL Normal, only stutters slightly very occasionally, but it sounds like I'm going to need to upgrade that coard, would you prefer that I wait so we can do more field testing? |
| [05:05:56] | wagnerrp: | no idea. i have no experience with primes or any cablecard tuners |
| [05:06:45] | jya: | splurben: just use the normal playback |
| [05:07:04] | jya: | opengl deinterlacer are nicer, but require a pretty powerful card |
| [05:08:08] | splurben: | jya: I build computers, I've got a choice of 6 new nVidia and 2 AMD, I'm assuming nVidia is still the go |
| [05:08:29] | wagnerrp: | on linux, absolutely |
| [05:08:59] | Guest74304: | mattwj2002 seemed to, i'll chech back later. thanx for the effort |
| [05:08:59] | jya: | splurben: definitely nvidia… ATI is still very much hit & miss |
| [05:09:19] | jya: | and with myth, if you enable OpenGL you get plenty of weird stuff, including kernel panic |
| [05:09:19] | splurben: | jya: I'm on Gentoo 12.1, AMD64. I'll put in a better nVidia card. Shall I report if the bug still exists with newer nVidia card? |
| [05:09:58] | jya: | splurben: nah… i have a 430GT and 320M here… but i'm fairly certain we would see it there too |
| [05:10:01] | splurben: | jya: 40% of the systems I build are linux and I always go with nVidia for them (unless they use embedded Intel for basic stuff) |
| [05:10:06] | jya: | was this playing fine with 0.25 ? |
| [05:10:36] | splurben: | jya: played fine with 0.25 |
| [05:10:52] | splurben: | yja: played fine until about 3 weeks ago |
| [05:12:06] | jya: | ok... |
| [05:12:19] | jya: | is that h264 content? |
| [05:12:33] | jya: | ah no, I remember it being mpleg2 from the mplayer log |
| [05:12:43] | splurben: | jya: is that to me? (h264) |
| [05:13:05] | jya: | splurben: the mplayer log you provided showed mpeg2 |
| [05:13:15] | splurben: | jya: yup |
| [05:13:19] | jya: | Selected video codec: [ffmpeg12vdpau] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-1/2 (VDPAU)) |
| [05:14:18] | splurben: | jya: can I supply any other output to you to help? |
| [05:14:31] | jya: | nah that'll be fine... |
| [05:14:45] | jya: | open a trac ticket if you haven't thanks |
| [05:15:07] | splurben: | jya: sorry, point me to 'trac ticket' please |
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| [05:17:24] | splurben: | jya: found trac ticket, I'll open one, thanks jya big-time |
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| [05:22:25] | splurben: | jya: sorry about hand-holding. "VDPAU fails playback of certain multiplexes" sound like a fair assessment? |
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| [09:18:44] | louisdk: | I have to machines. A combi fe/be running Myhbuntu 12.04 and a new backend running Debian testing. The ubuntu pc can easly do a channel scan, but the debian pc failed do to a channel scan. They are both on the same network and the tuner is a hdhomerun hdhr3-eu. I'm not doing the scan at the same time. Ubuntu pc myth version: 0.26.0+fixes.20130327.69cd78b-0ubuntu0mythbuntu1 – Debian pc myth version: 0.26.0+fixes20130330-dmo1 |
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| [09:20:22] | Lyset: | Hello |
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| [09:23:01] | Lyset: | Can anyone help me with setting up my tuner? |
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| [09:31:19] | louisdk: | Lyset: I can try. What tuner do you have? |
| [09:32:01] | Lyset: | I have BeholdTV M6 on saa7134 chipset with MPEG-2 encoder |
| [09:32:43] | Lyset: | It works fine as analog card, but I cannot set it up as MPEG-card |
| [09:35:44] | louisdk: | Okay. I don't know anything about that card. maybe another would be able to help you. |
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| [09:39:18] | Lyset: | Ok. General problem is that it has 2 devices – /dev/video0 is general v4l tuner, and /dev/video1 is just mpeg stream without tuning controls. I don't know how to tell MythTV use one device for tuning, and another for grabbing |
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| [13:48:48] | mattwj2002: | hi all |
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| [14:25:56] | Oleg_: | this guy claims xbmc is better than mythtv: http://www.percula.info/archives/249 |
| [14:28:20] | mattwj2002: | Oleg_: there are all kinds out there |
| [14:28:21] | mattwj2002: | :) |
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| [14:31:08] | mattwj2002: | Oleg_: xbmc is quite different than mythtv anyways |
| [14:31:19] | mattwj2002: | it is stupid to try and compare them |
| [14:31:30] | mattwj2002: | anywasy |
| [14:32:08] | Oleg_: | maybe |
| [14:32:13] | Oleg_: | I never used xbmc |
| [14:32:28] | mattwj2002: | xbmc is more paying media out there |
| [14:32:31] | Oleg_: | I don't really know anything about its capabilities |
| [14:32:41] | mattwj2002: | mythtv is a dvr suite |
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| [14:35:27] | mattwj2002: | to me |
| [14:35:46] | mattwj2002: | that article looks like Apple compared to a PC |
| [14:35:53] | mattwj2002: | it is naturally bias |
| [14:37:16] | Oleg_: | ok |
| [14:38:18] | mattwj2002: | Oleg_: when comparing mythtv to xbmc I guess I would take into consideration that as far as I know....you can't record with xbmc |
| [14:40:21] | Oleg_: | according to this page, http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=PVR , xbmc can record live tv |
| [14:42:32] | mattwj2002: | oh I forgot about those other PVR plugins |
| [14:42:43] | mattwj2002: | I am using the mythtv plugin |
| [14:42:50] | mattwj2002: | as a frontend on a raspberry pi |
| [14:43:03] | mattwj2002: | you can stream live tv but not record as far as I know |
| [14:43:20] | mattwj2002: | with that particular plugin....I don't know about others |
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| [15:12:41] | Seeker`: | I've looked at xbmc, but none of the pvr plugins can quite replicate everything that mythtv can do. Mythtv is the best out there for PVR, and I would probably choose XBMC if I was just playing back video files |
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| [16:06:13] | ** wagnerrp chuckles ** | |
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| [16:31:29] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: what are you chuckling about? |
| [16:34:55] | wagnerrp: | the idea that xbmc is for paid content |
| [16:35:28] | wagnerrp: | nothing against xbmc itself, and i'm sure there are plenty of users with completely legitimate media libraries |
| [16:35:33] | wagnerrp: | there just seem to be far more without |
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| [17:35:16] | CiaranG: | Just over 1TB of free recording space, and it decides to auto-expire the thing it recorded 10 minutes ago |
| [17:35:21] | CiaranG: | Baffling behaviour |
| [17:39:06] | CiaranG: | Oh, I see why :( |
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| [17:45:25] | CiaranG: | Drive #1, nearly full, has livetv and recordings, and Drive #2, loads of space, has more recordings. For some reason, myth decides the best place for a new recording is the nearly full drive, and because someone is watching live tv (weird, I know, but there you go), it decides to delete the recording as soon as it's recorded it. |
| [17:45:25] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1 ** | |
| [17:45:25] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2 ** | |
| [17:48:08] | CiaranG: | iirc, I can just mv the recordings from Drive 1 to Drive 2, and myth will know where to find them. Can anyone confirm before I do something stupid? |
| [17:53:32] | Seeker`: | CiaranG: as long as they are in a storage group |
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| [17:53:52] | CiaranG: | They are, yeah. Thanks. |
| [17:58:27] | CiaranG: | I kind of assumed it would choose the 'loads of space' drive over the 'nearly full' one for a new recording. I guess not. |
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| [18:52:36] | Guest74304: | mattwj2002, you alive? |
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| [18:54:07] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [18:54:35] | Guest74304: | speak of the devil |
| [18:54:44] | mattwj2002: | O.o |
| [18:54:49] | mattwj2002: | who me? |
| [18:55:34] | Guest74304: | were you watching or something? at 11:52 I asked if you were alive, 11:54 you log in :) |
| [18:55:39] | Guest74304: | spooky |
| [18:55:53] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [18:56:35] | mattwj2002: | haha |
| [18:56:40] | mattwj2002: | what is up Guest74304? |
| [18:57:12] | Guest74304: | still have the problem where my prime fails to record *some* hd channels, but i can live tune to them, hit 'r' and they record |
| [18:57:12] | wagnerrp: | you and that lack of commas... |
| [18:58:27] | Guest74304: | ...Let's eat grandma! or Let's eat, grandma! When commas can save lives..... |
| [18:58:43] | Guest74304: | http://pastebin.com/rsXTFsu8 |
| [18:58:49] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [18:58:53] | mattwj2002: | eat grandma |
| [18:58:55] | mattwj2002: | haha |
| [18:59:10] | ** mattwj2002 takes a fork after granny ** | |
| [18:59:12] | mattwj2002: | ;) |
| [18:59:40] | Guest74304: | i've the latest firmware and tried the beta version too |
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| [19:00:26] | mattwj2002: | oh I think I see the problem |
| [19:00:36] | mattwj2002: | you watch the Big Bang Theory :P |
| [19:00:44] | Guest74304: | heh |
| [19:01:10] | Guest74304: | hey, it was the program that was on at the time |
| [19:01:10] | mattwj2002: | in all seriousness this doesn't look good " UpdateFilters called in wrong tune mode" |
| [19:01:20] | mattwj2002: | suurrre |
| [19:01:21] | mattwj2002: | ;) |
| [19:01:36] | Guest74304: | but, ok, fair enough, i'll go away now..... |
| [19:01:38] | mattwj2002: | I am far from an expert at this stuff |
| [19:01:42] | mattwj2002: | no! |
| [19:02:01] | Guest74304: | *smirk* |
| [19:02:13] | mattwj2002: | but wagnerrp or some other developer probably has better ideas then me |
| [19:02:29] | Guest74304: | he was at a loss |
| [19:02:57] | mattwj2002: | oh my |
| [19:03:08] | Guest74304: | i thought you seemed to know about the prime |
| [19:03:12] | mattwj2002: | you said hdhomerun prime right? |
| [19:03:22] | Guest74304: | so i was hopeful |
| [19:03:26] | Guest74304: | yup |
| [19:03:46] | mattwj2002: | does live playback work if you use the streaming client? |
| [19:04:27] | mattwj2002: | oh! |
| [19:04:29] | mattwj2002: | I found something |
| [19:04:49] | mattwj2002: | Apr 13 21:01:39 mythBackend mythlogserver: mythbackend[1475]: E CoreContext storagegroup.cpp:766 (CheckAllStorageGroupDirs) SG(Videos): Group 'Videos' wants to use directory '/mnt/Store/video/videos/', but this directory is not writeable. Apr 13 21:01:39 mythBackend mythlogserver: mythbackend[1475]: E CoreContext storagegroup.cpp:766 (CheckAllStorageGroupDirs) SG(Default): Group 'Default' wants to use directory '/mnt/Store/v |
| [19:04:54] | mattwj2002: | that can't be good |
| [19:04:57] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [19:06:23] | Guest74304: | duh |
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| [19:06:59] | Guest74304: | let me find my claw hammer. me fix |
| [19:07:20] | Guest74304: | me fix gud |
| [19:08:00] | ** mattwj2002 eats Guest74304's grandma ** | |
| [19:11:35] | Guest74304: | oh, i'll have to wait 20mins to test. crap shows on right now |
| [19:12:02] | mattwj2002: | ok |
| [19:12:27] | Guest74304: | odd that the non-hd shows record ok though |
| [19:13:55] | Guest74304: | and it looks like i entered the wrong dir :( |
| [19:15:20] | mattwj2002: | Guest74304: |
| [19:15:23] | mattwj2002: | I am confused |
| [19:15:27] | mattwj2002: | so that isn't the issue? |
| [19:16:34] | Guest74304: | yes, that fixes it. /mnt/Store/video/videos/' should have been '/mnt/Store/video/recordings' |
| [19:17:34] | Guest74304: | me use claw hammer on Guest74304 next..... |
| [19:18:00] | mattwj2002: | sweet Guest74304 |
| [19:18:04] | mattwj2002: | so I fixed it? |
| [19:18:05] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [19:18:23] | mattwj2002: | or at least pointed you into the right direction |
| [19:18:39] | Guest74304: | yup, +1 brownie point for you :) |
| [19:18:51] | mattwj2002: | w00t! :D |
| [19:19:25] | Guest74304: | now to fix dir perms and groups.... |
| [19:20:14] | Guest74304: | much thanx to you and wagnerrp |
| [19:20:35] | mattwj2002: | hey anytime |
| [19:20:36] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [19:20:44] | mattwj2002: | glad to help |
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| [19:21:44] | mattwj2002: | everyone needs a working mythtv box |
| [19:21:45] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [19:21:53] | Guest74304: | i guess i should make a real nick, although this is the first time i've irc'd for myth in almost a decade of using myth |
| [19:22:05] | mattwj2002: | O.o |
| [19:22:58] | Guest74304: | i think i built myth first on a fresh install of the then current core 2 or 3 :) |
| [19:23:13] | wagnerrp: | core 3? |
| [19:23:13] | Guest74304: | fedora |
| [19:23:27] | wagnerrp: | oh, not the CPU |
| [19:23:49] | Guest74304: | ya, i'd guess 3, i think FC4 came out soon after |
| [19:25:13] | Guest74304: | but my memory fades. I do remember carving 1's and 0's in stone tablets when I started programming :) |
| [19:25:27] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
| [19:25:40] | mattwj2002: | you mean punch cards? |
| [19:25:41] | mattwj2002: | :P |
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| [19:26:07] | mattwj2002: | I couldn't imagine computing like that! |
| [19:26:13] | sheppard: | this was before punch cards obviously |
| [19:26:20] | mattwj2002: | oh yeah good point |
| [19:26:27] | Guest74304: | never actually did punch cards |
| [19:26:33] | wagnerrp: | hardwiring logic gates? |
| [19:26:41] | Guest74304: | did that |
| [19:26:57] | sheppard: | it'd be amusing to just once use a tty that was connected via a printer |
| [19:27:25] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
| [19:27:33] | Guest74304: | i was 5, got a set of TI databooks and wired up TTL circuits :) |
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| [19:27:52] | mattwj2002: | at age 5? |
| [19:27:53] | mattwj2002: | O.o |
| [19:28:01] | Guest74304: | played on tty's |
| [19:28:24] | mattwj2002: | I was playing with a color computer 2 back in the day |
| [19:28:48] | Guest74304: | ever heard of the Kim-1? |
| [19:30:54] | mattwj2002: | nope |
| [19:31:48] | ** mattwj2002 googles it ** | |
| [19:31:49] | Guest74304: | that was my first 'real' computer. although I did get a home brew pc board that was a copy of an apple 2 and built it up |
| [19:32:18] | mattwj2002: | nice Guest74304 |
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| [19:32:27] | Guest74304: | had some glitches, but mostly worked :) |
| [19:32:40] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [19:32:52] | mattwj2002: | Guest74304: I still like my raspberry pi |
| [19:33:03] | mattwj2002: | I know people give me crap for it |
| [19:33:13] | mattwj2002: | but it works well for what I use it for |
| [19:33:57] | Guest74304: | the kim-1 was fun. had to boot strap it by programming it via a 16 key keypad then saving the entered program off to casset tape. what fun! |
| [19:34:30] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
| [19:34:32] | Guest74304: | i've not fired up byraspberry pi -B |
| [19:34:58] | Guest74304: | soon. might be a front end :) |
| [19:35:07] | mattwj2002: | openelec works well |
| [19:35:20] | mattwj2002: | make sure you have the codecs installed |
| [19:37:39] | wagnerrp: | the codecs are hardwired into the graphics core |
| [19:37:47] | Guest74304: | btw, what would adding xbmc to my system get me? I'm at a loss to see any significant gain |
| [19:38:18] | mattwj2002: | Guest74304: the rpi A is disappointing |
| [19:38:43] | mattwj2002: | Guest74304: |
| [19:38:52] | mattwj2002: | xbmc has a mythtv frontend |
| [19:39:36] | wagnerrp: | Guest74304: the gain is that mythtv does not have any support for openmax, so it cannot take advantage of the hardware decoders on the RPI |
| [19:39:41] | wagnerrp: | effectively making it worthless |
| [19:40:04] | wagnerrp: | add in the fact that mythtv will run extremely poorly on a machine with under 200MB of available memory |
| [19:41:05] | Guest74304: | but you loose real time com skipping and adj playback speed |
| [19:41:36] | wagnerrp: | sure, but it actually runs at all |
| [19:42:32] | Guest74304: | hmm,, well, ok, point to wagnerrp |
| [19:42:54] | mattwj2002: | Guest74304: here is why I started using it |
| [19:42:58] | Guest74304: | but on pc's |
| [19:43:07] | mattwj2002: | my backend couldn't play hd programmin |
| [19:43:21] | wagnerrp: | on PCs, for recordings, there is on advantage |
| [19:43:29] | mattwj2002: | so I tried a raspberry pi |
| [19:43:32] | wagnerrp: | for other non-recorded media, some prefer the xbmc interface |
| [19:43:58] | mattwj2002: | I all ready had the pi for fun |
| [19:44:04] | Guest74304: | it does look a bit more polished |
| [19:44:48] | Guest74304: | so might get better wife approval |
| [19:45:12] | justinh: | requires more training to use IMHO. I'm so used to mythtv I find it harder to use |
| [19:45:21] | Guest74304: | although i hope to someday add in smarthome and zoneminder |
| [19:46:27] | Guest74304: | maybe xbmc would be a good fit for my android MK802-III |
| [19:46:59] | Guest74304: | matt, do you just have the one FE? |
| [19:47:22] | mattwj2002: | that is complicated |
| [19:47:41] | mattwj2002: | I mainly have the rpi for a frontend |
| [19:47:51] | mattwj2002: | but I use to on my laptop |
| [19:51:42] | Guest74304: | i guess i could have xbmc as the default on the FE's in the home and switch to myth FE when I want to use it |
| [19:52:13] | mattwj2002: | Guest74304: my only point was that openelec works well for the pi |
| [19:52:50] | mattwj2002: | I really need a wireless keyboard for my pi :-/ |
| [19:53:51] | Guest74304: | darn, no openelec for andoid |
| [19:58:36] | Guest74304: | oh, btw, any easy way to change the encoder #'s assinged to the encoders? |
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| [20:01:12] | justinh: | hahaha. Seeing a lot of that 'Working...' spinner |
| [20:01:17] | justinh: | how do people put up with this? |
| [20:01:37] | justinh: | and the OneBigListofRecordings(TM).. STILL? Oh boy |
| [20:04:14] | justinh: | and why is there no 'menu' button? It comes with subtitles enabled by default & no obvious way of turning them off |
| [20:06:01] | justinh: | so mythTV may be 'ugly' or 'lacking in bling' by comparison, it's way easier to use IMHO. I do like some things though.. like it treats things with parents as folders & when you go in, you don't still see the list of parent items |
| [20:07:27] | Guest74304: | check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO#Keyboard_commands |
| [20:07:35] | mattwj2002: | justinh: I prefer the actual mythfrontend |
| [20:07:43] | mattwj2002: | but this is the hardware I have |
| [20:07:53] | justinh: | Guest74304: no I wasn't talking about mythtv |
| [20:08:01] | Guest74304: | oh |
| [20:08:13] | justinh: | I'm hardly 'mythtv til I die'. I'm always on the lookout for nice things |
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| [20:08:25] | justinh: | it's still the best for me there is :-) |
| [20:09:25] | mattwj2002: | mythtv frontend is way better than what I am using |
| [20:09:38] | mattwj2002: | but I don't have the hardware for a decent pc frontend |
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| [20:11:03] | justinh: | how does XBMC get away with a much lower memory footprint anyway? |
| [20:12:09] | justinh: | different, or no caching? |
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| [20:15:09] | mattwj2002: | hi emmanuelux |
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| [20:16:34] | justinh: | mattwj2002: was it something you said? ;-) |
| [20:16:49] | bitHipy: | wagnerrp: i solved the irrecord problem we discussed the other day. Turns out irrecord does not work if lircd is running. I simply had to stop lircd, and then irrecord worked. |
| [20:16:52] | mattwj2002: | I guess O.o |
| [20:17:23] | mattwj2002: | justinh: are you from the UK? |
| [20:17:54] | mattwj2002: | I think I remember that you were from years ago |
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| [20:34:59] | justinh: | mattwj2002: yup |
| [20:35:17] | justinh: | not only from the UK. IN the UK |
| [20:35:29] | justinh: | and yeah, I used to be way more involved than I am these days |
| [20:35:35] | justinh: | hell, I'm still on 0.25 |
| [20:36:37] | mattwj2002: | haha 0.25 |
| [20:36:48] | mattwj2002: | when is version 1 coming out? |
| [20:36:48] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [20:36:58] | justinh: | no pressing reason to update. Stuff just works |
| [20:37:09] | mattwj2002: | I agree |
| [20:37:56] | justinh: | oh apparently the OnebigList(TM) doesn't have to be, if you go into a different recordings group |
| [20:38:46] | ** mattwj2002 steals justinh's trade mark and open sources it ** | |
| [20:40:07] | justinh: | still kinda bites that there's no menu as such.. and to do some things I had to right click. How does that work with a remote? |
| [20:40:33] | mattwj2002: | what are talking about justinh? |
| [20:40:37] | justinh: | xbmc |
| [20:40:42] | mattwj2002: | oh yeah |
| [20:40:44] | mattwj2002: | I hear you |
| [20:40:52] | mattwj2002: | my remote doesn't work with openelec |
| [20:40:56] | mattwj2002: | :( |
| [20:41:20] | justinh: | having to use a mouse with a media centre is just... well.. it may aswell be a games controller I have to use |
| [20:42:18] | justinh: | I guess in some cases it protects users from their kids... not being able to delete a source with the remote might be an advantage in some areas |
| [20:42:25] | mattwj2002: | justinh: that is why I am getting a wireless keyboard and mouse |
| [20:42:54] | justinh: | and not being able to timestretch.. oh boy. but I guess that's one of the limitations of hardware decoding too |
| [20:43:13] | justinh: | I said *guess*... I dunno if it is or not |
| [20:43:16] | mattwj2002: | time stretch? |
| [20:43:22] | mattwj2002: | you mean time shift? |
| [20:43:31] | justinh: | no I mean time compress/expand |
| [20:43:39] | justinh: | speed up & slow down video playback |
| [20:43:45] | mattwj2002: | oh okay |
| [20:43:47] | justinh: | mostly speed up |
| [20:44:07] | mattwj2002: | I never found that to be that useful |
| [20:44:08] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [20:44:24] | justinh: | oh I do. So does my wide |
| [20:44:27] | justinh: | *wife |
| [20:44:30] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [20:44:34] | mattwj2002: | your what? ;) |
| [20:44:47] | justinh: | watch a Prof. Brian Cox thing in half the time.. and it sounds like an ordinary person speaking |
| [20:44:57] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
| [20:45:03] | justinh: | watch the soaps at 120% speed.. get more over with sooner |
| [20:45:18] | mattwj2002: | or you could turn it up to 800% |
| [20:45:31] | mattwj2002: | stuff would actually happen in real time that way ;) |
| [20:46:10] | mattwj2002: | soaps are sooo slow |
| [20:46:24] | justinh: | mattwj2002: you've not seen Eastenders I take it |
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| [20:46:32] | mattwj2002: | I have not |
| [20:46:34] | justinh: | or do you mean the storylines last too long? |
| [20:46:40] | justinh: | mattwj2002: give it a go. I DARE YOU |
| [20:46:49] | mattwj2002: | I just mean |
| [20:47:06] | justinh: | some lines go on & on & ON for months |
| [20:47:11] | mattwj2002: | yup |
| [20:47:43] | justinh: | like hurry up, just get hooked on heroin & sold into prostitution already girl.. and be gone |
| [20:47:50] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
| [20:48:02] | mattwj2002: | justinh: have you seen revolution? |
| [20:48:08] | justinh: | oh no, they have to string it out & tie it in with a big telethon thing in October... |
| [20:48:12] | justinh: | nope |
| [20:48:20] | mattwj2002: | I love that show! |
| [20:49:28] | mattwj2002: | it is basically 15 years in the future .... nothing electric works for the last 15 years |
| [20:49:36] | mattwj2002: | lots of violence |
| [20:49:42] | justinh: | so it's about life in my home town :-) |
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| [20:49:53] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
| [20:50:12] | justinh: | that's USA TV all over. Too much violence. Nothing like enough nudity or sexual content unless it's on HBO |
| [20:50:23] | mattwj2002: | I agree |
| [20:50:28] | mattwj2002: | we need more boobs on tv |
| [20:50:29] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [20:50:44] | justinh: | and that Revolution show.. is only on Sky1 over here. And I ain't paying an extra £25 a month to get it |
| [20:51:00] | mattwj2002: | 25 pounds a month |
| [20:51:01] | mattwj2002: | :O |
| [20:51:09] | mattwj2002: | ouch! |
| [20:51:29] | mattwj2002: | I don't pay that much for my cable |
| [20:51:40] | mattwj2002: | granted I basically have an antenna |
| [20:51:51] | mattwj2002: | but it is through my cable provider |
| [20:52:12] | justinh: | I'd get other channels I don't want in with the cost though |
| [20:52:21] | mattwj2002: | true |
| [20:52:31] | justinh: | about 100 of them |
| [20:52:35] | mattwj2002: | I pay like $13 a month for basic cable |
| [20:52:46] | mattwj2002: | closer to $20 after taxes |
| [20:53:59] | mattwj2002: | I don't have a lot of time to watch tv |
| [20:54:07] | justinh: | we get *basic* cable, but if you want any 'Premium' US shows, you have to pay through the nose |
| [20:54:25] | mattwj2002: | that sucks |
| [20:54:48] | justinh: | shows which often start on terrestrial FTA channels get snapped up & go subscription only |
| [20:54:53] | justinh: | 24 went to Sky |
| [20:54:56] | justinh: | Lost went to Sky |
| [20:55:06] | mattwj2002: | :( |
| [20:55:22] | justinh: | I don't even know if the terrestrial channels are even bothering trying to bid anymore |
| [20:55:38] | mattwj2002: | so what is on terrestrial channels? |
| [20:55:50] | justinh: | a lot of home-grown shows & repeats |
| [20:56:18] | mattwj2002: | a lot of good shows in the US |
| [20:56:27] | mattwj2002: | are now on cable |
| [20:59:26] | justinh: | only cable? |
| [20:59:51] | mattwj2002: | well some yeah |
| [21:00:09] | justinh: | sucky, but then TV was always going to become two-tier |
| [21:00:36] | mattwj2002: | true |
| [21:01:02] | mattwj2002: | I have better things to do with my time then tv anyways |
| [21:01:10] | mattwj2002: | *than |
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| [21:06:35] | mattwj2002: | bbl |
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| [21:19:28] | mattwj2002: | brb |
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| [21:23:27] | mattwj2002: | I am back! |
| [21:26:23] | mattwj2002: | justinh: are you still here? |
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| [21:29:07] | justinh: | kinda busy with shop admin stuff |
| [21:29:31] | mattwj2002: | no worries justinh |
| [21:29:34] | mattwj2002: | have a good one! |
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| [23:51:33] | MrGarfield: | hi everyone Can someone tell me how to install "Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)" working ? |
| [23:51:51] | [R]: | what is it |
| [23:52:07] | MrGarfield: | it's a DVB-C TV Card |
| [23:52:33] | [R]: | and thats what shows up in lspci? |
| [23:53:15] | MrGarfield: | exactly : "01:09.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 02)" |
| [23:53:40] | [R]: | and is this the only card or do you have other dvb cards? |
| [23:54:35] | MrGarfield: | 2 of them |
| [23:54:44] | [R]: | 2 what |
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| [23:54:49] | MrGarfield: | both identical dvb-cards |
| [23:54:56] | [R]: | ok do you have /dev/dvb/adapter0? |
| [23:55:00] | MrGarfield: | yep |
| [23:55:06] | [R]: | then it should be working |
| [23:55:09] | [R]: | what p5roblems are you having |
| [23:55:10] | MrGarfield: | and /dev/dvb/adapter1 |
| [23:55:52] | MrGarfield: | when i use scan /usr/share/dvb..... for my channel region.. Then it repoting "Tuning Failed !!!" |
| [23:56:18] | [R]: | well sounds like a dvb problem |
| [23:56:22] | [R]: | not a myth problem |
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| [23:58:20] | MrGarfield: | I think so, on an other pc i'm using a philips dvb card.. working perfectly with myth |
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