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| [00:50:28] | wagnerrp: | sphery: here's a good one |
| [00:50:47] | wagnerrp: | on last night's PoE, they're "getting past this server's firewall" with a configuration page that looks awfully like DD-WRT |
| [00:50:58] | wagnerrp: | on a system with a whopping 16MB of memory no less |
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| [01:41:52] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [01:41:53] | mattwj2002: | well I am going to build a mythtv box this weekend hopefully |
| [01:41:54] | mattwj2002: | and no not with a raspberry pi |
| [01:41:58] | mattwj2002: | I just hope Comcast still keeps clearqam for a while |
| [01:41:59] | wagnerrp: | well an RPi wouldn't qualify as a box anyway |
| [01:41:59] | wagnerrp: | it's too small |
| [01:41:59] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [01:41:59] | mattwj2002: | otherwise cable card time :( |
| [01:41:59] | mattwj2002: | indeed :) |
| [01:42:00] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: is there any advantage to getting a cable card if I have basic cable? |
| [01:42:03] | wagnerrp: | you can't get a cablecard if you only have basic cable |
| [01:42:03] | mattwj2002: | O.o |
| [01:42:03] | wagnerrp: | but then there's no real advantage of getting cable in general if you have basic cable |
| [01:42:03] | wagnerrp: | unless for whatever reason, you simply cannot use an antenna |
| [01:42:04] | mattwj2002: | antenna isn |
| [01:42:04] | mattwj2002: | t reliable here dang water town near me |
| [01:42:05] | mattwj2002: | basic cable or the access fee for my cable modem are about the same price :) |
| [01:42:07] | mattwj2002: | so I go with basic cable |
| [01:42:08] | wagnerrp: | anyway, you need a real cable subscription to get a cablecard |
| [01:42:08] | mattwj2002: | interesting |
| [01:42:09] | wagnerrp: | well... you did for firewire |
| [01:42:09] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: you are a smart cookie :D |
| [01:42:09] | wagnerrp: | i assume the rules are the same |
| [01:42:11] | mattwj2002: | that makes sense |
| [01:42:20] | mattwj2002: | so wagnerrp what is new? |
| [01:42:21] | wagnerrp: | not much |
| [01:42:22] | mattwj2002: | cool cool |
| [01:42:25] | wagnerrp: | apparently a newegg purchase triggered fraud detection on my credit card last night |
| [01:42:26] | mattwj2002: | oh that sucks |
| [01:42:26] | wagnerrp: | and again a second time this morning after i called to have the block removed |
| [01:42:27] | mattwj2002: | :( |
| [01:42:29] | mattwj2002: | if I am not being too persomal |
| [01:42:29] | mattwj2002: | did you buy anything good? |
| [01:42:33] | wagnerrp: | desktop upgrade |
| [01:42:35] | mattwj2002: | ah okay cool |
| [01:42:36] | mattwj2002: | I was hoping it was a big hard drive array :) |
| [01:42:43] | mattwj2002: | how type of system? how many cores? |
| [01:42:45] | wagnerrp: | i7 quad |
| [01:42:46] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [01:42:48] | mattwj2002: | does intel have an 8 core desktop out yet? |
| [01:42:48] | mattwj2002: | I know amd does |
| [01:42:49] | wagnerrp: | no, no one does |
| [01:42:49] | mattwj2002: | *desktop chip |
| [01:42:50] | wagnerrp: | intel has a 6 |
| [01:42:50] | mattwj2002: | no amd does |
| [01:42:51] | wagnerrp: | amd only has a 4 |
| [01:42:52] | mattwj2002: | what? |
| [01:42:52] | wagnerrp: | they scrapped their 6-core |
| [01:42:53] | mattwj2002: | one second |
| [01:43:00] | wagnerrp: | i know what you're thinking of, and it's not an 8-core |
| [01:43:05] | mattwj2002: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103961 |
| [01:43:12] | mattwj2002: | it says 8 core in the description |
| [01:43:17] | mattwj2002: | not saying you are wrong just wondering |
| [01:43:37] | wagnerrp: | AMD doesn't really have "cores" per se |
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| [01:43:41] | wagnerrp: | they now have modules |
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| [01:44:10] | mattwj2002: | what is the difference? |
| [01:44:14] | wagnerrp: | and each module contains one frontend, one floating point unit, one bit vector unit, and two integer units |
| [01:44:32] | wagnerrp: | they count those two integer units as two separate cores |
| [01:44:36] | mattwj2002: | oh okay |
| [01:44:39] | mattwj2002: | that sucks :( |
| [01:44:59] | wagnerrp: | and while they do allow you to run two threads simultaneously, and do so in a more capable manner than SMT (hyperthreading), they are not true, independent cores |
| [01:45:20] | mattwj2002: | that was my concern when you said it wasn't actual cores |
| [01:45:31] | wagnerrp: | the shared hardware between them mean they scale somewhere far less than linearly with most workloads |
| [01:45:31] | mattwj2002: | I thought it might be hyperthreading |
| [01:45:42] | wagnerrp: | it's kind of like hardware hyperthreading |
| [01:45:49] | mattwj2002: | ok |
| [01:46:12] | wagnerrp: | there actually are two separate integer units. it's not like hyperthreading where you try to stuff two threads down a single unit |
| [01:46:24] | wagnerrp: | but they're not fully independent |
| [01:46:46] | wagnerrp: | and when you try to push a thread down each of them, they overload the frontend |
| [01:46:46] | mattwj2002: | oka:( |
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| [01:47:05] | wagnerrp: | it's better than just one, but not as good as full cores |
| [01:47:16] | mattwj2002: | makes sense |
| [01:50:04] | mattwj2002: | I am still waiting for my 80 core system |
| [01:50:07] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [01:50:15] | wagnerrp: | to what end? |
| [01:52:40] | mattwj2002: | did you ever hear about that intel prototype? |
| [01:52:41] | mattwj2002: | 80 cores |
| [01:53:13] | wagnerrp: | it's like a barge versus air freight |
| [01:53:13] | mattwj2002: | do you mean what would I use it fore? |
| [01:53:24] | wagnerrp: | sure, it will get tons of work done, but it will take a long time to get there |
| [01:53:24] | mattwj2002: | *for |
| [01:53:28] | mattwj2002: | well re-enabling mythtv could be fast |
| [01:53:28] | mattwj2002: | but yeah that is almost too much |
| [01:53:29] | wagnerrp: | re-enabling? |
| [01:53:29] | mattwj2002: | *re-encoding |
| [01:53:31] | wagnerrp: | only certain tasks in encoding are multi-threaded |
| [01:53:32] | wagnerrp: | trying to multi-thread the whole thing is a real convoluted mess |
| [01:53:33] | wagnerrp: | since each frame is dependent on the previous |
| [01:53:33] | mattwj2002: | right I was thinking multiple videos at once using multiple cares |
| [01:53:33] | mattwj2002: | *cores each |
| [01:53:33] | mattwj2002: | sorry I can't type on this dang netbook |
| [01:53:35] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [01:54:24] | mattwj2002: | I guess speed can only be so useful |
| [01:55:07] | mattwj2002: | virtualization would be another good thing |
| [01:56:03] | wagnerrp: | virtualization is a solution to a very specific problem, and that's one that doesn't typically exist on home networks |
| [01:56:48] | mattwj2002: | indeed |
| [01:57:32] | mattwj2002: | changing the subject a bit |
| [01:57:48] | mattwj2002: | it is amazing how much video you can store even on a 2 TB hard drive |
| [01:58:05] | mattwj2002: | when I say video I mean mythtv recordings |
| [01:58:33] | wagnerrp: | basically, virtualization is for when you either must provide a very specific environment (for development or legacy support), or need absolute isolation to prevent interference between applications (for development or security purposes) |
| [01:58:35] | mattwj2002: | last time I had my box setup I think I had a few weeks of programming on my drive |
| [01:59:05] | wagnerrp: | figure a 2TB drive will get you around 300–400hrs of HD content |
| [01:59:20] | mattwj2002: | that is insane :) |
| [02:00:05] | mzb: | I've noticed 3TB seagates on special today for $121 + $13.95 post (Australia) |
| [02:00:16] | mattwj2002: | nice mzb |
| [02:00:18] | mzb: | prices are coming down nicely |
| [02:00:37] | mattwj2002: | 4TB is the biggest I have seen in a single drive |
| [02:00:39] | ** mzb wants to increase his 7TB (formatted) capacity ** | |
| [02:00:45] | mattwj2002: | I wonder if that is still try |
| [02:00:50] | mattwj2002: | *true |
| [02:01:09] | mzb: | I noticed 4TB but not 5TB |
| [02:01:22] | mattwj2002: | okay cool |
| [02:01:29] | mzb: | but $200 for 4TB, vs $121 for 3TB ... hehehe |
| [02:01:42] | mattwj2002: | to be honest |
| [02:01:52] | mattwj2002: | it is how much storage do you really need? |
| [02:02:17] | mzb: | depends on your viewing habits and how many people use it, I guess |
| [02:02:22] | mattwj2002: | unless you want to mirror archive.org who needs an lot more than a few TB |
| [02:02:36] | mzb: | I also use that machine for keeping large source archives and some (paid) games |
| [02:02:44] | mattwj2002: | archive.org has PB of storage |
| [02:03:03] | mzb: | oh ... and imaging client's hard drives |
| [02:03:14] | mattwj2002: | I mean in a home enviroment |
| [02:03:25] | mzb: | yep, this is in my home |
| [02:03:26] | wagnerrp: | i need more than i have |
| [02:03:26] | mattwj2002: | corporate is a whole another can of worms |
| [02:03:27] | mattwj2002: | got ya |
| [02:03:38] | wagnerrp: | 7TB formatted? |
| [02:03:46] | mattwj2002: | raid? |
| [02:03:50] | mzb: | yeah ... combination of ~10 drives ... not raid |
| [02:04:03] | mzb: | root is on revodrive in (linux) raid0, though |
| [02:04:08] | mattwj2002: | oh okay |
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| [02:04:28] | mzb: | smallest is 500GB, biggest is 2TB |
| [02:04:44] | wagnerrp: | i've got just shy of 14.5TB (decimal) |
| [02:04:48] | mzb: | it's one of those "rowing boat" stories ;) |
| [02:04:52] | mzb: | nice |
| [02:05:06] | wagnerrp: | oh, 15TB. forgot the laptop |
| [02:05:16] | mattwj2002: | sweet wagnerrp |
| [02:05:24] | wagnerrp: | plus another few TB in scattered backups |
| [02:05:37] | ** wagnerrp is running low ** | |
| [02:05:43] | mattwj2002: | O.o |
| [02:06:29] | wagnerrp: | i typically don't delete |
| [02:07:34] | mzb: | I've gradually changed to a policy of auto-expire ... but I've got a big collection of videos and "Sir David" docos |
| [02:08:23] | wagnerrp: | remember, 15TB (decimal) is only 13.6TB (binary), and then your filesystem generally takes 10% or so off that |
| [02:08:29] | mzb: | with 5 DVB-T tuners, "peak-hour" on a Monday night can easily be recording a dozen shows simultaneously |
| [02:08:55] | mzb: | (need a lot of overlap to cater for the slack programming in Australia) |
| [02:09:07] | mzb: | 10min pre, 20min post |
| [02:09:56] | mattwj2002: | DVB-T supports multiplexing on the same tuner as well? |
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| [02:10:05] | mzb: | yes |
| [02:10:14] | mattwj2002: | cool |
| [02:10:51] | mzb: | ie: still only half 'virtual' capacity at highest known load ;) |
| [02:10:56] | mattwj2002: | is DVB-S an option in Australia? |
| [02:11:02] | mzb: | sure |
| [02:11:20] | mattwj2002: | do you have to use their sat box? |
| [02:11:20] | mzb: | but there's only one satellite that uses unencrypted streams |
| [02:11:27] | mattwj2002: | or can you get something like a cable card? |
| [02:11:42] | mattwj2002: | oh okay |
| [02:11:45] | mattwj2002: | anything good on? |
| [02:11:45] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [02:11:59] | mattwj2002: | we have DVB-S unencrypted here too |
| [02:12:08] | mzb: | ABC and SBS from all regions ... which involves a few tricks with EPG |
| [02:12:24] | mattwj2002: | from what I hear it has a lot of international, religious and local network programing |
| [02:12:25] | mzb: | the 'normal' sat does have FTA, but it's encrypted |
| [02:12:34] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [02:12:48] | mattwj2002: | I am in the US by the way |
| [02:12:53] | mzb: | k |
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| [02:13:00] | mattwj2002: | I am one of those damn Americans |
| [02:13:02] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:13:16] | mzb: | you can get a "license" for that, but it pretty much involves either being in a "black spot" or getting a "caravan license" |
| [02:13:26] | mzb: | I work in the US ... kinda ;) |
| [02:13:32] | mzb: | (virtually;)) |
| [02:13:41] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
| [02:14:11] | mzb: | I keep getting invited to the Christmas parties but they don't pay me enough for that ;) |
| [02:14:24] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:14:38] | mzb: | and the US$ is too low |
| [02:14:52] | mzb: | (compared to AU$) |
| [02:14:59] | mattwj2002: | yeah |
| [02:15:04] | mzb: | change that to: the AU$ is too high |
| [02:15:10] | mattwj2002: | it is like a 1 to 1 ratio right now |
| [02:15:33] | mzb: | take into account paypal fees and exchange rates and I always lose out |
| [02:15:33] | mattwj2002: | 1 AUD = 1 USD |
| [02:15:39] | mattwj2002: | :( |
| [02:15:49] | mattwj2002: | sorry my friend |
| [02:15:54] | mzb: | eg: $1000 always feels more like $850 |
| [02:16:07] | mzb: | depends what I spend it on, I guess |
| [02:16:41] | mattwj2002: | indeed |
| [02:16:54] | mzb: | I generally stick to spending US$ ... except for buying home-delivered meat from a local wholesaler ;) |
| [02:17:20] | mattwj2002: | what type of meat? |
| [02:17:28] | mzb: | anything |
| [02:17:32] | mattwj2002: | no |
| [02:17:37] | mattwj2002: | what do you like? |
| [02:17:45] | mattwj2002: | cow? |
| [02:17:46] | mattwj2002: | chick? |
| [02:17:47] | mzb: | steak and roast beef ;) |
| [02:17:47] | mattwj2002: | *chicken |
| [02:17:52] | mattwj2002: | damn keyboard! |
| [02:18:14] | mattwj2002: | I was thinking more kangeroo or something |
| [02:18:14] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:18:23] | mattwj2002: | never had it that is why I asked |
| [02:18:24] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:19:01] | mattwj2002: | oh man |
| [02:19:04] | mzb: | can get it, not as nice as beef imo ... it's very lean so you don't get the same flavour that you'll get from a bit of beef with fat in/around it |
| [02:19:13] | mattwj2002: | steak sounds good ... I like the thin cut ones |
| [02:19:37] | mattwj2002: | cool mzb |
| [02:20:14] | mattwj2002: | speaking of food! |
| [02:20:21] | mzb: | hehe |
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| [02:20:41] | mattwj2002: | when I got my tax return I went to Red Lobster and ordered some lobster |
| [02:20:43] | mattwj2002: | man was that good |
| [02:20:48] | mattwj2002: | it is a nice treat |
| [02:20:56] | mzb: | we have crayfish here |
| [02:21:11] | mattwj2002: | sweet |
| [02:21:21] | mattwj2002: | similar to lobster's taste? |
| [02:21:39] | mattwj2002: | never at crayfish but I have seen live ones in the river by where I grew up |
| [02:21:41] | mzb: | very expensive for most ppl, but $SHE (and hence our kids) have Aboriginal fishing licenses ... so in season they can catch their own |
| [02:21:44] | mattwj2002: | *ate |
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| [02:22:22] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [02:22:42] | mzb: | moderate-sised cray being taken out of pot: http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/Port_Arthur/2010/ |
| [02:23:01] | mattwj2002: | O.o |
| [02:23:03] | mzb: | (boiled for 10mins in seawater .... very fresh) |
| [02:23:21] | mzb: | (and sea water used only because they're on tank water in Port Arthur) |
| [02:23:35] | mattwj2002: | that isnt what I pictured at all |
| [02:23:37] | mattwj2002: | the cray fish I was talking about are very small |
| [02:23:42] | mzb: | yep ;) |
| [02:23:44] | mattwj2002: | oh |
| [02:23:53] | mzb: | Tasmanian crayfish are pretty big ;) |
| [02:24:01] | mattwj2002: | these are salt water cray fish? |
| [02:24:05] | mattwj2002: | I was talking about fresh water |
| [02:24:08] | mattwj2002: | hehe indeed! |
| [02:24:11] | mzb: | yes ... salt water |
| [02:24:21] | mattwj2002: | oh got ya |
| [02:24:21] | mzb: | and *very* nice to eat |
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| [02:24:41] | mattwj2002: | looks awesome .. I would be the first one there with a plate! |
| [02:24:41] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:24:41] | mzb: | like a lobster, but their weapon is their tail, not claws |
| [02:24:43] | plut0: | sphery: you around? |
| [02:25:24] | mzb: | (more for flight than fight, but can still do you a bit of damage!) |
| [02:26:07] | mattwj2002: | indeed |
| [02:26:07] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:26:09] | mattwj2002: | that is pretty big! |
| [02:27:40] | wagnerrp: | i honestly have never thought about it, you boil them in seawater? |
| [02:27:46] | mzb: | fwiw, I *think* crayfish are usually sold locally as half/whole for something like $80-$120 per kilogram ... hate to think what they're worth elsewhere (they're exported alive) |
| [02:28:11] | wagnerrp: | i suppose they would get bloated and watered down otherwise? |
| [02:28:19] | mattwj2002: | $80 to $120 per kilogram |
| [02:28:27] | mattwj2002: | O.o |
| [02:28:31] | mattwj2002: | dang |
| [02:28:45] | mzb: | yeah, boiled in water ... all use tank water down there, so it's usually easier just to get a bucket of seawater for cooking |
| [02:29:02] | wagnerrp: | $35-$50/lb or so |
| [02:29:15] | wagnerrp: | that's not unreasonable in the states either |
| [02:29:17] | mzb: | and that's the LOCAL price ;) |
| [02:29:32] | wagnerrp: | when you go to a restaurant that lists something as "market price", don't buy it |
| [02:29:32] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [02:29:49] | mattwj2002: | you can get a lobster tails cooked and prepared for you with other food for like $30 at Red Lobster |
| [02:29:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but that's red lobster |
| [02:30:05] | wagnerrp: | not exactly quality fare |
| [02:30:12] | mattwj2002: | good point |
| [02:31:29] | ** wagnerrp wants his new computer parts ** | |
| [02:31:51] | mzb: | ordered some new bits? |
| [02:32:12] | wagnerrp: | long overdue desktop bits |
| [02:35:11] | mzb: | had to do that at the end of last year, regrettably ... motherboard in the XPS 730 finally died |
| [02:35:46] | mzb: | after lots of indecision I eventually replaced it with an FX4170 with 32GB of 1866MHz RAM |
| [02:36:05] | mzb: | waiting for the bits (including problems with delivery/etc) was a nightmare! ;) |
| [02:36:09] | wagnerrp: | finally died? that's an awfully new system for the board to die |
| [02:36:25] | mzb: | it was about 5 yrs old |
| [02:36:40] | mattwj2002: | sounds like my laptop |
| [02:36:41] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:36:55] | mattwj2002: | about the same agre |
| [02:36:56] | wagnerrp: | i suppose that's not the multi-graphics, DDR3 system on dell's website |
| [02:36:57] | mattwj2002: | *age |
| [02:37:00] | mzb: | I got it when the 730 had literally only just been released (I had actually queued up the 720 the week prior) |
| [02:37:26] | mzb: | it came with 2x 9800GT, 3x 500GB, 4GB RAM |
| [02:37:32] | mzb: | and a 24" monitor |
| [02:37:48] | mzb: | and "free" |
| [02:37:55] | wagnerrp: | i love it when manufacturers have wide variation in the hardware associated with a single model number |
| [02:38:13] | mzb: | yeah, it's not the i7 (?) model ... but the q9550 |
| [02:38:22] | wagnerrp: | actually, this is a core 2 |
| [02:38:30] | wagnerrp: | i didn't know they sold core 2 systems with ddr3 |
| [02:38:52] | mzb: | err ... this is the "server-sized" system ... not a laptop |
| [02:39:02] | mzb: | and it was the first model with ddr3 afaik |
| [02:39:11] | wagnerrp: | http://www.dell.com/us/en/gen/desktops/xpsdt_ . . . 30&s=gen |
| [02:39:35] | mzb: | it's also the ONLY model (that I know of) that Dell released which used a standard-sized motherboard |
| [02:39:46] | wagnerrp: | figure that's a grade or two up from my current one |
| [02:39:49] | mzb: | yep, that's it |
| [02:40:17] | mzb: | pretty much everything you could get except the water-cooling |
| [02:40:19] | wagnerrp: | 2.2GHz C2D, 4GB DDR2, failed 9800GT replaced by a 650 Ti |
| [02:40:29] | mzb: | ah |
| [02:41:08] | wagnerrp: | replacing it with one of these and a s2011 i7 quad |
| [02:41:10] | wagnerrp: | http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=242 |
| [02:41:13] | mzb: | beautiful machine to work with |
| [02:41:37] | mzb: | except for some of the nvidia/eva rubbish |
| [02:41:58] | mzb: | ie: getting rid of windows was the first step in the right direction ;) |
| [02:42:04] | wagnerrp: | too many lights |
| [02:42:16] | mzb: | and the only thing I missed out on was being able to control the lights ;) |
| [02:42:40] | mzb: | lights are actually pretty good ... I've got a very small and (usually) dark computer room |
| [02:43:02] | mzb: | (purpose built) |
| [02:43:36] | wagnerrp: | i'm a bit frightened about how long this case is |
| [02:44:14] | mzb: | the FT02? |
| [02:44:18] | wagnerrp: | aye |
| [02:45:25] | mzb: | expensive case |
| [02:45:34] | mzb: | would cost a fortune to ship here ;) |
| [02:45:49] | wagnerrp: | same here |
| [02:46:02] | wagnerrp: | or is was free, depending on how you want to look at it |
| [02:46:21] | mzb: | hehe |
| [02:46:24] | mzb: | last case I bought was from Sydney (1500km) |
| [02:46:25] | wagnerrp: | $80 amazon prime, for free 2-day shipping |
| [02:46:33] | mzb: | nice |
| [02:46:37] | mzb: | 3x that here |
| [02:46:40] | mzb: | + post |
| [02:46:42] | wagnerrp: | ouch |
| [02:46:53] | mzb: | (and the "Tasmanian freight tax") |
| [02:47:34] | mzb: | which is why I rsearch options, and THEN scour sites until I find cheap (or free!) shipping |
| [02:47:44] | mzb: | particularly with something like a case |
| [02:48:12] | mzb: | that being said, I've managed some absolute rippers over the years |
| [02:48:23] | wagnerrp: | this case is actually a bit old, so a lot of sites no longer carry it |
| [02:48:29] | mzb: | 510 litre fridge shipping from Melbourne for $48 |
| [02:48:55] | mzb: | 37" Samsung LED TV shipping overnight from Sydney for $69 |
| [02:49:41] | mzb: | (it would cost me $60–100 to get that fridge shipped 5km from the local store!) |
| [02:50:20] | mzb: | http://goo.gl/maps/GzO8g |
| [02:50:46] | mzb: | pays to watch out for shipping discounts/specials |
| [02:51:27] | mzb: | oh ... speaking of cheap shipping ... have you seen the hi-def screens from Korea? |
| [02:52:12] | mzb: | they use the cheap A-grade (ie: not "A+") leftovers from Apple Cinema // LG // Dell screens |
| [02:52:59] | mzb: | I tried the super-cheap ~ $300 option and ended up trading up to a better one with more inputs (which also means it's got the onboard scaler) |
| [02:53:11] | mzb: | 27" and 2560x1440 resolution! |
| [02:53:11] | wagnerrp: | the panel is good, but the panel is only half the issue |
| [02:53:29] | wagnerrp: | there is a lot to say about a better controller |
| [02:53:34] | mzb: | absolutely |
| [02:53:47] | wagnerrp: | that's not to say they don't stomp a crappy TN panel |
| [02:53:54] | mzb: | they're all IPS |
| [02:54:11] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [02:54:13] | mzb: | the first one looked great, but there was a large patch along the bottom that made white look like burned paper |
| [02:54:47] | mzb: | this one however is beautiful ... and I've only found one stuck pixel (although I can't find it now;)) |
| [02:55:33] | mzb: | Crossover 2730MD ... I couldn't _quite_ afford the pivot version ... but figured I'll mount it on the wall someday so it doesn't worry mee |
| [02:55:35] | mzb: | s/me |
| [02:56:10] | plut0: | hdhr prime can't tune any channels now |
| [02:56:37] | mzb: | b0rk3d it? |
| [02:56:52] | plut0: | not sure whats wrong |
| [02:56:53] | plut0: | http://pastebin.com/LEpzLrtB |
| [02:57:20] | mzb: | updated to latest firmware? |
| [02:57:40] | plut0: | mzb: i was trying to fix my channel issues and made it worse in the process |
| [02:58:02] | mzb: | did those fixes include updating the firmware? |
| [02:58:13] | plut0: | no |
| [02:58:31] | mzb: | also, you may find it better to use the hdhr autoconfig/address thingy, rather than direct IP |
| [02:58:49] | plut0: | i deleted my inputs, downloaded again from schedules direct |
| [02:58:50] | mzb: | (depending on the version of mythtv you're using ... I think that was all fixed in 0.25) |
| [02:58:56] | plut0: | since then i haven't been able to tune anything |
| [02:59:03] | plut0: | so i just restored a backup from a few days ago |
| [02:59:06] | plut0: | that doesn't work either |
| [02:59:58] | mzb: | first of all: update firmware. 2nd: use vlc/mplayer/*something* to test that it works |
| [03:00:07] | mzb: | *then* fix your mythtv |
| [03:00:20] | mzb: | ie: prove that the hardware is ok first |
| [03:00:32] | plut0: | how do you stream with vlc? |
| [03:01:01] | mzb: | don't remember ... I've only tested my HDHR like that _once_ to prove it could be done (I *think* it was vlc) |
| [03:01:14] | plut0: | well i have no reason to believe the hdhr broke |
| [03:01:24] | plut0: | i messed with mythtv so that is the issue |
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| [03:01:49] | mzb: | sure, but until you *know* it's ok you're making an assumption |
| [03:02:02] | Korny: | Evening |
| [03:02:15] | plut0: | not really an assumption, i know exactly what i did and it broke it |
| [03:02:27] | mzb: | ok |
| [03:02:36] | plut0: | how to fix it now, that is the challenge |
| [03:03:02] | mzb: | it also pays to ensure you've got the latest firmware, and trust me, the hdhr:// method (the one that mythtv uses) is much better than the IP method |
| [03:03:17] | mzb: | you've probably mixed up all sorts of things channel-wise |
| [03:04:28] | plut0: | the address is static through dhcp |
| [03:04:41] | mzb: | yes, I used to use that method myself |
| [03:05:13] | mzb: | I believe the other method (whatever it's called) is superior |
| [03:05:59] | mzb: | (I think it's based on the MAC address of the HDHR) |
| [03:06:29] | mzb: | ooh ... look at that ... Current release: 20130328 http://www.silicondust.com/support/hdhomerun/downloads/ |
| [03:06:39] | mzb: | prime is separate? |
| [03:06:56] | Korny: | hmmmm one of the developers of the HDHR acually came to the channel to annoucne that release |
| [03:07:17] | wagnerrp: | one of the developers is on here right now |
| [03:07:32] | Korny: | Hey welcome back wagnerrp |
| [03:07:40] | Korny: | Didn't see you for a while |
| [03:07:47] | wagnerrp: | had a bit of internet troubles |
| [03:07:53] | wagnerrp: | specifically, lack of |
| [03:07:58] | mzb: | hehe ... much better source of information than my "whatever it's called" methods |
| [03:08:04] | plut0: | i'm going to try and delete the inputs and readd them again |
| [03:08:06] | Korny: | Brayson or whatever his face was back of course :) |
| [03:08:08] | mzb: | string not wet enough? |
| [03:08:22] | wagnerrp: | transitioned a phone number, except that ended up terminating the account along with internet too |
| [03:08:31] | Korny: | Bray90820 :) |
| [03:09:56] | Korny: | That stinks |
| [03:10:30] | Korny: | I'm getting ready to move 800 miles, I'm hoping my setup survives |
| [03:11:02] | mzb: | gawd ... remove the cards and drives! ;) |
| [03:11:29] | mzb: | mind you ... lot to be said for leaving the drives in, and just re-inserting cards on arrival ;) |
| [03:11:46] | mzb: | but a rebuild makes sure you do it ALL ;) |
| [03:11:57] | wagnerrp: | drives are fairly shock resistant when they're powered down |
| [03:12:51] | mzb: | sure, and hard to damage in a large computer case ... unless it gets dropped and crushed under a truck! ;) |
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| [03:13:07] | wagnerrp: | just wrap it in a blanket, it will be fine |
| [03:13:20] | mzb: | but cables walk out from the vibrations, as can/do cards |
| [03:13:37] | wagnerrp: | cards, absolutely remove |
| [03:13:48] | wagnerrp: | unless you have a case with a support rail |
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| [03:23:10] | Korny: | I'm keeping my monitors and towers with me |
| [03:24:01] | Korny: | And only 3 cards total between my 3 towers, 2 graphics cards and a pci x4 satax8 card |
| [03:24:16] | Korny: | the 2 graphics cards are screwed into the case |
| [03:24:44] | wagnerrp: | just a dumb controller? what card? |
| [03:24:57] | Korny: | just a supermicro jbod card |
| [03:25:07] | wagnerrp: | the one flipped upside down? |
| [03:25:23] | wagnerrp: | AOC something or other? |
| [03:25:57] | mzb: | you run the risk of the cards walking out of their slots as the case flexes (unless they have some sort of support system as wagnerrp suggested) |
| [03:26:18] | Korny: | something like that |
| [03:26:29] | Korny: | its really just 2 port multipliers |
| [03:26:33] | wagnerrp: | old towers and old cards used to be like 15" long |
| [03:26:52] | wagnerrp: | and would slide into a rail along the front of the case for additional support |
| [03:26:58] | Korny: | http://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-Add--Card-AO . . . micro+sata+8 |
| [03:27:19] | Korny: | I remember how long my voodoo2 card was |
| [03:27:45] | wagnerrp: | the industrial SBC backplanes we have at work come with a rail you drop on top of the cards, with rubber fittings to compress the cards into the backplane |
| [03:28:01] | wagnerrp: | i've seen a couple desktop PCs with something similar |
| [03:28:09] | Korny: | sounds interesting |
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| [03:30:28] | wagnerrp: | http://www.chassis-plans.com/custom/titan_dual_xpt_top2-1024.jpg |
| [03:30:35] | wagnerrp: | that's what i'm referring to |
| [03:30:49] | wagnerrp: | the crossbar is attached to the cards, holding them in place |
| [03:30:52] | Korny: | Thats a whoel bunch of PCI slots |
| [03:32:16] | wagnerrp: | you usually use those to have a crapload of I/O cards |
| [03:33:06] | wagnerrp: | some kind of fieldbus controller, with a few thousand I/O points per PCI slot |
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| [03:35:00] | plut0: | deleted my input sources and readded them, didn't help |
| [03:35:09] | plut0: | can't tune to anything |
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| [03:35:37] | Korny: | I missed the first part of your conversation plut0 whats going on |
| [03:35:49] | wagnerrp: | Korny: those are only two ports with expanders? |
| [03:36:49] | Korny: | wagnerrp: I'm not 100% sure, from what I've read they are single sata with a port mutilplier |
| [03:36:50] | wagnerrp: | i mean the x4 card is only good for 1GB/s, compared to 2.4GB/s out of those eight SATA ports |
| [03:37:12] | wagnerrp: | but it just seems odd that they would have a port multiplier |
| [03:37:12] | Korny: | so instead of its 2 |
| [03:37:20] | Korny: | For what its marketed for it works great |
| [03:37:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just a bunch of cheap, slow ports |
| [03:37:41] | Korny: | Non performance orientated storage, media storage ect |
| [03:37:47] | mzb: | plut0: you deleted the capture cards, the video sources, or the input connections? |
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| [03:40:41] | Korny: | So what was plut0 problem? |
| [03:40:53] | Korny: | I find the HDHR silly easy to setup :( |
| [03:40:59] | wagnerrp: | couldn't get channels added to his prime |
| [03:41:00] | mzb: | ditto |
| [03:41:08] | Korny: | was his card legit? |
| [03:41:15] | wagnerrp: | legit? |
| [03:41:16] | Korny: | and paired correctly? |
| [03:41:23] | Korny: | I mean paired correctly |
| [03:41:24] | wagnerrp: | i assume so |
| [03:41:31] | wagnerrp: | he got some channels |
| [03:41:44] | mzb: | err ... he'd alreaded added them, then had problems, deleted them, restored from backups ... and so on to the point where I don't he knew which way was up |
| [03:41:46] | wagnerrp: | he was having trouble getting mythtv to pull additional channels from his SD account |
| [03:41:58] | Korny: | ahhhh |
| [03:42:03] | wagnerrp: | the tuning troubles are a later development |
| [03:42:08] | Korny: | Is he pressing save in SD |
| [03:42:16] | Korny: | I find I forget to do that :P |
| [03:42:46] | Korny: | I wish there was a way to automatically mark channels that were not copy freely |
| [03:43:03] | wagnerrp: | that's not exactly how it works |
| [03:43:16] | wagnerrp: | copy protection can vary from program to program, and can even be changed mid-program |
| [03:43:26] | wagnerrp: | it's not statically defined per-channel |
| [03:43:44] | Korny: | Yes and no, some channels have it on 24/7 |
| [03:44:01] | Korny: | TruTV on Memphis Comcast is locked down |
| [03:44:02] | wagnerrp: | it's typically static, but not necessarily static |
| [03:44:23] | Korny: | Oh i know, they implimented the non copy freely to the super bowl a few years ago |
| [03:44:45] | wagnerrp: | it's like how NBC and CBS are always 1080i, but that doesn't mean there isn't the potential for broadcasters to vary resolution, and the need for mythtv to be able to handle it |
| [03:45:43] | Korny: | What gets me is discovery science is blocked, discovery is not |
| [03:46:21] | Korny: | I'm tempted to get a HD PVR but I've never setup IR blasting and am completely spoiled with the ease fo the HD HR's(prime and OTA) |
| [03:47:09] | mzb: | IR-control is a complete hack by comparison ;) |
| [03:47:30] | wagnerrp: | s/by comparison/in general/ |
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| [03:47:57] | Korny: | I know some direct TV boxes can bet setup via networking |
| [03:48:12] | Korny: | err be setup via networking to change channels |
| [03:51:46] | bray90820: | hello korny |
| [03:52:22] | Korny: | hi |
| [03:52:36] | Korny: | Hows the setup going |
| [03:52:46] | Korny: | Get your guide data figured out? |
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| [05:16:54] | bray90820: | korny the guide data seems to work right now |
| [05:17:37] | bray90820: | who knows about the future tho |
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| [08:05:05] | wizbit: | if i try and play a bbc iplayer video, i can search the list, but when i play something my screen goes white and nothing happens |
| [08:05:15] | wizbit: | virus? |
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| [08:41:06] | SteveGoodey: | wizbit: I'm not sure if flash needs to be installed. |
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| [09:11:57] | wizbit: | SteveGoodey: ok got it working now with flash |
| [09:12:06] | wizbit: | however, my remote does not respond to play |
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| [09:15:57] | wizbit: | ok found key bindings, ace |
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| [12:09:46] | bergqvistjl1: | is mythbrowser broken? It hangs my Xorg completely whenever I exit out of the web browser |
| [12:11:52] | bergqvistjl1: | OK, I've removed it. |
| [12:12:44] | bergqvistjl1: | Is there any way to increase the amount of seconds buffered for livetv playback, before the frontend starts playing it? |
| [12:13:18] | bergqvistjl1: | currently it starts playing about 2 seconds too early, so that the video is jerky. If i pause it for 2 secs and then resume, the playback is smoother. is there any way to reduce this? |
| [12:13:26] | bergqvistjl1: | *sorry, increase the buffer time |
| [12:18:03] | bergqvistjl1: | any ideas? |
| [12:19:55] | jarle: | bergqvistjl1: There is a setting for HD program buffer somewhere in the settings... |
| [12:21:11] | jarle: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause |
| [12:25:15] | bergqvistjl1: | it's only live tv, it's like it's playing the file too soon, if you get what i mean |
| [12:28:50] | jarle: | bergqvistjl1: I think there was a bug reagrding this that was fixed some time ago. Are you running latest -fixes? |
| [12:29:16] | bergqvistjl1: | i'm running the latest version that's available in the arch repositories |
| [12:30:26] | bergqvistjl1: | that version is: 1:0.26.0–8 |
| [12:30:51] | jarle: | I do know that this problem was discussed here several weeks/months ago. And I thought the problem was fixed, however I've never had the problem myself so I dunno... |
| [12:32:28] | bergqvistjl1: | i don't think it's a problem per se |
| [12:32:46] | bergqvistjl1: | I think it's the natural consequence of trying to read the file too soon, while the tuner is still writing that part of the file. |
| [12:32:51] | bergqvistjl1: | if you get what i mean |
| [12:32:55] | bergqvistjl1: | it's only in live tv only |
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| [12:55:21] | bergqvistjl1: | Is there anyone here who can walk me through an LIRC setup on Arch Linux (Media centre remote, with devinput – I think)? I'm tearing my hair out |
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| [13:15:03] | afm: | morning all.. spankin new hdhrp and cable card just activated.. i have all 3 tuners link to schedules direct epg, clicked fetch channel listings… says i need a starting channel, but nothing to select.. so close |
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| [13:15:34] | afm: | followed this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Silicondust_HDHomeRun_Prime |
| [13:17:56] | afm: | hmmm might have missed the lineup button.. it's filling the db now though… will double check |
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| [13:33:01] | afm: | yeah, the data direct line up never populates when retrieving channels…. |
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| [13:34:18] | afm: | i have set it on SD for my account |
| [13:34:52] | wagnerrp: | bergqvistjl1: mythbrowser is a core feature in mythtv |
| [13:35:08] | wagnerrp: | the mythbrowser plugin is basically just a bookmark utility |
| [13:35:11] | bergqvistjl1: | is there any people/website/forum whatever where I can get some advice/help on mapping evdev remote key-presses to keyboard commands? |
| [13:37:08] | bergqvistjl1: | anyone got any ideas? You can say no if you want lol |
| [13:38:14] | wagnerrp: | using irrecord? |
| [13:38:30] | wagnerrp: | i had to block Xorg from picking up the device |
| [13:38:38] | wagnerrp: | and recompile lirc to use the devinput plugin |
| [13:39:16] | bergqvistjl1: | no, not using lirc |
| [13:39:21] | wagnerrp: | at which point the default lircd.conf that came from the mceusb driver was no longer valid, and i had to use irrecord to reprogram a new one |
| [13:39:22] | bergqvistjl1: | people have told me to use evdev now |
| [13:39:38] | bergqvistjl1: | but frankly the whole thing is so confusing |
| [13:39:44] | wagnerrp: | through Xorg? don't they still have a 256-character limit? |
| [13:39:48] | bergqvistjl1: | huh? |
| [13:39:55] | bergqvistjl1: | well I only need to press one character at a time.... |
| [13:40:22] | bergqvistjl1: | Basically, instead of using lirc, you're supposed to be able to use evdev to pick up remote keypresses |
| [13:40:23] | wagnerrp: | sure, but who's to say your remote keypresses are only >256 |
| [13:40:30] | wagnerrp: | under 256 rather |
| [13:40:34] | bergqvistjl1: | i don't know |
| [13:40:47] | bergqvistjl1: | I think they are though, from the output i've seen |
| [13:40:51] | wagnerrp: | you're suposed to be able to use evdev to pick up a limited subset of your remote keypresses |
| [13:40:58] | wagnerrp: | not the full set |
| [13:41:07] | wagnerrp: | unless you're lucky, or have a simple remore |
| [13:41:09] | wagnerrp: | *remote |
| [13:41:15] | bergqvistjl1: | anyway, i'm trying to find a way to map those keypresses to keyboard commands, but I have no idea how to do it. |
| [13:44:45] | bergqvistjl1: | do you have any ideas? |
| [13:44:53] | bergqvistjl1: | i'll deal with the 256 char problem later |
| [13:44:53] | wagnerrp: | i explained what i did |
| [13:44:55] | bergqvistjl1: | ok |
| [13:45:03] | wagnerrp: | ive never used Xorg for IR input intentionally |
| [13:45:05] | bergqvistjl1: | OK |
| [13:45:07] | bergqvistjl1: | right |
| [13:45:35] | wagnerrp: | (i have used it unintentionally, before i managed to get the ir device blacklisted) |
| [13:45:58] | bergqvistjl1: | ok |
| [13:46:00] | wagnerrp: | ended up with a bunch of missing buttons, so back to lirc i went |
| [13:49:49] | bergqvistjl1: | this whole thing is confusing |
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| [13:53:58] | RagingMind: | bergqvistjl1, how does your remote connect to your computer? |
| [13:55:11] | bergqvistjl1: | it's with a USB reciever |
| [13:55:18] | bergqvistjl1: | it's your bog standard media centre remote. |
| [13:55:35] | bergqvistjl1: | of course it doesn't help that my TV tuner card has a device that's connected to rc0, so my remote isn't the default IR device |
| [13:55:46] | bergqvistjl1: | i just have no idea what i'm doing anymore.... |
| [13:56:00] | bergqvistjl1: | All I want to do, is map my remote keypresses to letters on the keyboard... |
| [13:56:15] | bergqvistjl1: | so that when I press the Play button on my remote, it's as though I typed the letter P on the keyboard |
| [13:57:32] | bergqvistjl1: | honestly i'm completely lost |
| [13:58:33] | bergqvistjl1: | although i'm determined to get round it at any rate. |
| [13:59:11] | bergqvistjl1: | although it would be nice to get some help from someone who's using an upto-date system. half the guides i've seen are horrendously out of date now |
| [14:01:08] | bergqvistjl1: | Any ideas? |
| [14:04:38] | bergqvistjl1: | no? OK. |
| [14:05:21] | wagnerrp: | like i said, i only used xorg briefly and unintentionally, before reverting to lirc |
| [14:05:25] | bergqvistjl1: | ok, thanks |
| [14:06:35] | wagnerrp: | and that brief time was only partially successful |
| [14:06:38] | bergqvistjl1: | yeah |
| [14:19:53] | bergqvistjl1: | does anyone know how to blacklist a remote so that it doesn't show up in ir-keytable? |
| [14:20:19] | wagnerrp: | you disable autodetection in xorg, so it doesn't pick up anything you don't explicitly define |
| [14:20:23] | wagnerrp: | so it's whitelisting, rather |
| [14:20:30] | RagingMind: | I have a usb remote that shows up at a keyboard/mouse combo to the computer, this is both handy and annoying |
| [14:20:39] | bergqvistjl1: | well i can't blaclist everything... |
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| [14:21:37] | bergqvistjl1: | how do i do that though anyway wagnerrp? |
| [14:22:31] | bergqvistjl1: | i thought maybe blacklisting a kernel module would do it, but it doesnt |
| [14:22:52] | wagnerrp: | no, you want/need the kernel module |
| [14:23:46] | wagnerrp: | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Dis . . . hot-plugging |
| [14:24:10] | bergqvistjl1: | cheers |
| [14:24:36] | wagnerrp: | it seems my lirc does not currently have it |
| [14:24:47] | bergqvistjl1: | have what? |
| [14:24:51] | wagnerrp: | and i'm working on coincidence that lircd starts and grabs the device before xorg has a chance to |
| [14:25:01] | bergqvistjl1: | i'm on about stopping a device from showing up in ir-keytable |
| [14:25:27] | wagnerrp: | i don't know what ir-keytable is |
| [14:25:39] | bergqvistjl1: | oh ok |
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| [15:25:36] | jarle: | It seems like something might have been broken lately in the eit code. After a while mythtv just stops scanning for eit data. Anybody else experienced this, known bug? |
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| [18:27:19] | moparisthebest_: | hello, mythtv appears to be caching my lineups from schedules direct, because I made changes and they don't show up |
| [18:27:43] | moparisthebest_: | I deleted the wrong lineup, and added a correct one, and an additional OTA one |
| [18:27:57] | moparisthebest_: | but when i click 'fetch lineups' in mythtv, only the old one shows up, I even waited a day |
| [18:28:32] | moparisthebest_: | i'm running ubuntu, and have done and apt-get purge on all mythtv packages, and deleted the mysql database and user, and /etc/mythtv /var/lib/mythtv and /home/mythtv |
| [18:28:45] | moparisthebest_: | any ideas on where it is caching these so I can delete them? |
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| [18:31:45] | wagnerrp: | delete the temporary files out of /tmp and try again |
| [18:43:30] | moparisthebest: | haha, thanks so much, that was frustrating |
| [18:43:48] | moparisthebest: | the offending file was /tmp/mythtv_ddp_data |
| [18:43:55] | moparisthebest: | deleted that, and it pulled in everything new |
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| [18:47:16] | bergqvistjl1: | I have a Sherlock-Holmes style mystery to investigate lol |
| [18:47:23] | bergqvistjl1: | You about wagnerrp? |
| [18:47:33] | bergqvistjl1: | obviously not |
| [18:48:06] | [R]: | yes, beause if he doesnt respond in 10 seconds |
| [18:48:10] | [R]: | hes obviously not here! |
| [18:48:23] | bergqvistjl1: | yeah, he's usually here, but amazingly, he's not right now. |
| [18:48:23] | bergqvistjl1: | ha |
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| [18:53:13] | bergqvistjl1: | basically, I now have both my MythTV combined frontend/backend machine and a NAS Drive connected via gigabit ethernet connections. The NAS drive stores my recordings, shared via NFSv3 (because that's all the NAS drive came with, unfortunatly). Now, my problem is that I can record or watch multiple HD files simultaneous without problem. However when I try to watch the same file *While it's still being recorded*, after around 20 |
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| [18:55:51] | wagnerrp: | after around 20.... ? |
| [18:55:56] | wagnerrp: | if there was more than that, it got cut off |
| [18:56:45] | bergqvistjl1: | I mean, i can watch around 20 minutes now of a recording, as it's being recorded, before the network gets overloaded and the frontend freezes |
| [18:57:12] | wagnerrp: | what do the frontend logs say? |
| [18:57:15] | bergqvistjl1: | I am positive that it's just the NAS drive being unable to keep up. |
| [18:58:03] | wagnerrp: | mythtv intentionally puts a delay on live playback, specifically to prevent issues with write latency on NFS |
| [18:58:10] | wagnerrp: | but on a combo machine, that should not be an issue |
| [18:58:16] | bergqvistjl1: | yes, but it's not live though. |
| [18:58:28] | bergqvistjl1: | It's if I watch a file (from the recordings menu) that's still being recorded |
| [18:58:29] | wagnerrp: | since the file should still be cached in memory for when the frontend tries to read it |
| [18:58:39] | wagnerrp: | sure, but you're playing it as it is recording |
| [18:58:50] | bergqvistjl1: | If i watch a different recording to what's being recorded, i never get that problem |
| [18:58:50] | wagnerrp: | that's all a livetv instance is in mythtv |
| [18:58:58] | bergqvistjl1: | yes |
| [18:59:37] | bergqvistjl1: | what i'm saying is. the network can cope with 2 different files being operated on at the same time, but it can't cope with 2 operations on a single file... if you get what i mean? |
| [18:59:44] | bergqvistjl1: | *the NAS drive, not the network sorry. |
| [19:00:23] | wagnerrp: | yes, but unless it's a piece of crap, that shouldn't be the case |
| [19:00:33] | bergqvistjl1: | well, it is using NFSv3 if that helps? |
| [19:00:44] | wagnerrp: | and as mentioned, if you have a decent amount of memory, that file should still be within linux's disk cache |
| [19:00:49] | bergqvistjl1: | 8GB |
| [19:00:57] | bergqvistjl1: | I don't have a swap partiion either. |
| [19:00:58] | wagnerrp: | meaning mythfrontend shouldn't actually have to touch the NAS to read the file back |
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| [19:01:24] | bergqvistjl1: | yeah, i should pointn out that livetv files are on an SSD on the backend, but recorded files are simply a mount to the NAS drive |
| [19:02:10] | bergqvistjl1: | but what's confusing me is that its fine when streaming 2 *different* files off the NAS at the same time, but not when 2 are doing stuff on the same file (i..e watching it as well as recording more onto it) |
| [19:02:25] | wagnerrp: | which is why i mentioned the issue with having to delay playback a bit |
| [19:02:39] | wagnerrp: | so the frontend doesn't accidentally catch up to live, and get confused |
| [19:02:49] | wagnerrp: | on livetv, that should happen automatically |
| [19:02:58] | wagnerrp: | on recordings, i'm not sure if it has that protection in place |
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| [19:04:04] | bergqvistjl1: | well can we ignore live tv for a minute if that's OK |
| [19:04:20] | bergqvistjl1: | I'm talking about watching a recording (from the recordings menu) while that recording is still taking place |
| [19:04:25] | wagnerrp: | listen to what i'm suggesting... how close to live are you fast forwarding? |
| [19:04:36] | bergqvistjl1: | it doesn't matter what time |
| [19:04:37] | wagnerrp: | is it possible you've simply reached the end of the file? |
| [19:04:39] | bergqvistjl1: | no |
| [19:04:50] | wagnerrp: | ok. if that's not it, then i have no other clue |
| [19:04:59] | bergqvistjl1: | i've started watching an hour long recording from the beginning, and had it happen still a few mins in. |
| [19:05:09] | bergqvistjl1: | it used to be a lot more frequent when I was using 100mb connection |
| [19:05:21] | bergqvistjl1: | now I got 20mins, which is the longest i've ever got, but i'm now using a gigabit connection |
| [19:05:36] | wagnerrp: | a recording that has already recorded an hour of video? |
| [19:05:38] | bergqvistjl1: | sadly I don't have frontend logs because Arch uses systemd and that messes up the logs |
| [19:05:42] | bergqvistjl1: | yes |
| [19:05:45] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [19:05:51] | bergqvistjl1: | It's any recording |
| [19:06:02] | bergqvistjl1: | as long as it's still being written to... |
| [19:06:17] | bergqvistjl1: | if i watch a seperate recording, that's fine, even when i've got 3 other recordings going |
| [19:06:38] | bergqvistjl1: | but if i watch a file that's also being written to, it happens... |
| [19:06:43] | bergqvistjl1: | I reckon it's the NAS Drive |
| [19:07:18] | wagnerrp: | NFS3 should be considerably higher performance than NFS4, simply because 4 is considerably more complex |
| [19:07:22] | bergqvistjl1: | really? oh |
| [19:07:24] | bergqvistjl1: | damn |
| [19:07:32] | wagnerrp: | 4 actually has security features, while 3 should only be used on a trusted network |
| [19:07:42] | bergqvistjl1: | are there any options i could use on the NAS drive's /etc/exports file that might help reduce load? |
| [19:08:08] | wagnerrp: | this is actually a proper linux machine, and not a web-configured consumer NAS? |
| [19:08:23] | bergqvistjl1: | no, the NAS drive is a consumer one. |
| [19:08:41] | bergqvistjl1: | I should point out that it's fine when viewing the recordings on Windows through Samba (at the same time the file is being recorded) |
| [19:08:48] | bergqvistjl1: | although that's probably irellevant |
| [19:10:11] | bergqvistjl1: | i mean, tbh i'm regretting buying an NFS drive now. |
| [19:10:50] | bergqvistjl1: | the idea was that i could use ACPI wakeup on the backend to have the backend off during the middle of the night, but if i still wanted to view recordings (on my windows pc), i could just stream them off the NAS drive without the backend needing to be on. |
| [19:11:04] | bergqvistjl1: | Of course, what i failed to realise was then that the NAS drive would have to be on 24/7/ |
| [19:11:25] | bergqvistjl1: | and when Myth was recording something *both* the NAS and the Backend would be on anyway... |
| [19:11:57] | bergqvistjl1: | I should have really just kept it all on the Myth machine and Samba'd out the recordings directory, and just left Myth on 24/7. |
| [19:11:58] | bergqvistjl1: | Ah well |
| [19:12:54] | bergqvistjl1: | Still, I got my remote working though ^_^ (with devinput this time, rather than mceusb) |
| [19:13:09] | bergqvistjl1: | Also, you know that buffer you mentioned, for livetv playback? |
| [19:13:45] | bergqvistjl1: | Wagnerrp: Is there any way to extend that LiveTV buffer? I always have to pause it for a second or two for playback to be smooth. |
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| [19:15:30] | wagnerrp: | i believe that only exists for livetv, not recordings |
| [19:15:43] | wagnerrp: | and it's not so much a buffer, as just a delay |
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| [19:16:00] | wagnerrp: | to ensure the filesystem has caught up to what the backend has written |
| [19:16:57] | bergqvistjl1: | I understand, can I extend that delay though? |
| [19:17:06] | wagnerrp: | hit pause for a few seconds |
| [19:17:31] | bergqvistjl1: | yeah, but is there anyway to have that as standard, rather than hitting pause every time when watching live? |
| [19:17:49] | wagnerrp: | on your combined machine, it should be unnecessary |
| [19:17:59] | wagnerrp: | as those writes will be in the linux disk cache, and immediately available |
| [19:18:09] | wagnerrp: | it's only an issue when you're operating a remote frontend |
| [19:18:12] | bergqvistjl1: | well that's not the case. |
| [19:18:25] | bergqvistjl1: | even when accessing the backend through 127.0.0.1 |
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| [19:18:58] | wagnerrp: | a combo machine will detect that it is a combo machine, and always connect to 127.0.0.1 |
| [19:19:16] | bergqvistjl1: | you sure? |
| [19:19:33] | bergqvistjl1: | I mean, i know 127.0.0.1 was the default, but i still could change it if i wanted to. |
| [19:19:34] | wagnerrp: | it was a fix added in for some weird configuration some distro had that would force the traffic out to the switch and then back to the system |
| [19:19:39] | bergqvistjl1: | oh right |
| [19:20:15] | bergqvistjl1: | by the way, it turns out that my NFS server didn't have async as one of it's options in the exports file. Would adding that improve performance do you think? |
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| [19:20:37] | wagnerrp: | probably |
| [19:20:40] | bergqvistjl1: | cool |
| [19:20:45] | bergqvistjl1: | i'll try that then. |
| [19:21:10] | bergqvistjl1: | But anyway, i still have to pause live tv for around a second or so on my combined frontend/backend PC, which uses an SSD |
| [19:22:01] | wagnerrp: | that should be unnecessary, but i don't use livetv much besides the occasional testing |
| [19:22:15] | bergqvistjl1: | ok |
| [19:22:49] | bergqvistjl1: | well as you say, I can just pause it every time, and then if i fastforward to the end, it doesn't go as far forward as it did when it started playing, if you get what i mean... |
| [19:24:21] | bergqvistjl1: | I'm tempted to ask to join, the dev team, but i'd probably upset you all by being too honest :$ |
| [19:25:22] | wagnerrp: | as long as you're contributing code, most people couldn't be happier |
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| [19:26:03] | bergqvistjl1: | I know but... i'm worried my ideas about how the software suite as a whole works... i'd get frustrated |
| [19:26:21] | bergqvistjl1: | sadly my technical knowledge isn't as good right now, otherwise I would join in. |
| [19:27:13] | bergqvistjl1: | one thing i've noticed is that frontend startup takes soo long. The logs seem to indicate that it's trying to connect via ipv6 first, and *then* falling back to ipv4, which then connects. |
| [19:27:19] | bergqvistjl1: | just, wierd things like that, you know? |
| [19:28:04] | wagnerrp: | most of the startup delays i've seen are from trying to connect to dbus |
| [19:28:28] | bergqvistjl1: | ah ok |
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| [19:28:57] | bergqvistjl1: | Also, mythfrontend segfaults quite a bit for me :/ mostly when exiting live tv, or changing to another channel, yet not all the time |
| [19:29:16] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, the frontend should only try to connect over ipv6 if the backend is configured to listen on it, and it itself has an ipv6 address |
| [19:30:26] | bergqvistjl1: | ok |
| [19:30:43] | wagnerrp: | i think i wrote that code, but it's been a bit since i looked at it |
| [19:31:50] | bergqvistjl1: | ah ok |
| [19:32:17] | bergqvistjl1: | I tried to set up frontend logging but I didn't get anything in the log path I defined (/var/log/mythtv), which is strange :/ |
| [19:32:18] | bergqvistjl1: | ah well |
| [19:33:22] | bergqvistjl1: | It's the same for the backend actually, yet not a single file gets written there :( I reckon it's to do with systemd and the journal screwing things about |
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| [19:39:51] | bergqvistjl1: | I'm just currently waiting to see if my machine will wakeup via ACPI. I know the alarm time has been set correctly, so hopefully it should wake up |
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| [20:58:38] | gpd_: | sorry for crap question – my mythtv is displaying GMT (as is date) but TZ is set to London and Gnome reports BST. how do it fix? |
| [20:59:54] | wagnerrp: | aren |
| [21:00:02] | wagnerrp: | 't GMT and BST basically the same thing? |
| [21:00:27] | gpd_: | no – BST is +1hr daylight saving |
| [21:00:39] | gpd_: | I think I foudn the culpret – a rogue TZ export in .bashrc |
| [21:00:40] | wagnerrp: | that's not BDT or something? |
| [21:00:43] | gpd_: | always the way |
| [21:00:51] | wagnerrp: | standard versus daylight |
| [21:02:28] | gpd_: | yup – that's got it. sorry for troubling. |
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| [21:18:46] | bergqvistjl1: | My bios time is in UTC (and I live in the UK, which is on GMT +1 right now), but the the wake-up alarm time for the next-program is calculated 1 hour too late. |
| [21:19:09] | bergqvistjl1: | Is there any way to get round this. I'm using the script that's defined in the wiki, and to the best of my knowledge, it used to work fine, on the same system :/ |
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| [22:19:58] | bergqvistjl1: | I have a question regarding this patch: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/b28041a . . . 9c4ac/mythtv |
| [22:19:58] | bergqvistjl1: | Am i to read from that, that --utc and --localtime are now arguments of the patched mythshutdown program? |
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