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Sunday, March 24th, 2013, 00:01 UTC
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[02:20:08] TrinitronX: does anyone know why 'Retrieve Details' doesn't work sometimes (even when I manually edit title & inetref first)?
[02:24:33] [R]: what does the log say
[02:26:27] TrinitronX: I'm guessing it's the mythmetadatalookup.log?
[02:29:52] TrinitronX: Hmm... nothing is output in that log when I run it
[02:38:08] TrinitronX: looks like mythfrontend.log has something interesting: http://pastebin.com/Rp1s7nvh
[02:39:38] [R]: that looks like a horrificially illegal file
[02:46:27] TrinitronX: next question: where is QDomDocument::setContent() defined?
[02:47:09] [R]: thats QT
[02:51:30] TrinitronX: so for some reason it's returning false, which causes the error, trying to figure out why
[02:52:47] [R]: because you are a pirate
[02:52:49] [R]: the log tells you that
[02:56:17] TrinitronX: no that's not the reason... the code cannot tell that
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[02:57:12] [R]: lol
[02:57:31] TrinitronX: anyone else who understands why we're using a QDomDocument for raw data parsing?
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[03:05:20] TrinitronX: [R]: if the code were truly smart enough to detect if someone were a pirate, that function wouldn't return that log error... I'm a programmer trying to figure out that code
[03:05:36] [R]: lol
[03:05:42] [R]: it faield to parse the file
[03:05:45] TrinitronX: and hence, not a pirate ;-D
[03:05:48] [R]: and only invalid pirated downloads have invalid files
[03:06:05] [R]: how does that equal you not being a pirate
[03:06:07] [R]: its very clear you are
[03:06:54] TrinitronX: anyone can generate an 'invalid' file containing garbage data on linux... Or any sort of unicode mess they want
[03:07:56] TrinitronX: I don't see how that can be clear to you, although I do see that you're not being very helpful
[03:08:12] [R]: its clear based on the piraty name of your files
[03:08:31] [R]: and piracy is very much not welcome in here
[03:08:33] [R]: read the rules
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[03:09:01] TrinitronX: oh well... I'll go find help elsewhere, since you seem to be confused
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[03:09:08] [R]: lol
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[03:14:52] wagnerrp: did he delete the pastebin? or just have a very short timeout?
[03:16:10] ** wagnerrp questions what kind of "programmer" couldn't figure out why we would be using a QDomDocument to parse XML... **
[03:16:19] [R]: hrm, must have had a timeout
[03:16:44] [R]: it was showing the PIRATE ERROR
[03:16:53] [R]: and it showed the name of his media file
[03:16:56] [R]: and it was clearly a pirated file
[03:17:32] wagnerrp: isn't the "PIRATE ERROR" from an arbitrary '.nfo' file that pirate groups like to package with their releases?
[03:18:15] [R]: yeah, it tries to parse the nfo
[03:18:17] [R]: and gets that error
[03:18:47] wagnerrp: i'm honestly surprised they're still using those things
[03:18:55] [R]: lol
[03:19:14] wagnerrp: surely they would want to avoid the confusion it causes with xbmc users and invalid data formats
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[03:24:51] wagnerrp: GAH!
[03:25:09] DarthFrog: You went to a Klingon restaurant?
[03:25:28] wagnerrp: i spent hours trying to get my laptop to PXE boot a while back
[03:25:39] wagnerrp: i finally gave up, figuring it never had a ROM installed
[03:25:52] wagnerrp: here it turns out it will only do a PXE boot if the local hard drive is empty
[03:26:35] [R]: wtf
[03:26:40] [R]: you cant' set a boot order?
[03:26:55] wagnerrp: i can't even force it in the boot menu
[03:27:08] wagnerrp: the network boot option is there, but i skips over it if i try to select it
[03:27:19] wagnerrp: seemingly indicating it didn't find a boot rom
[03:27:21] [R]: sounds like a poorly designed bios
[03:27:25] [R]: or rather one with a lack of desgin
[03:27:47] wagnerrp: 12yr old thinkpad
[03:28:06] [R]: that sounds like a beast
[03:28:13] wagnerrp: i'm guessing it was set up that way to allow it to pxeboot and perform an automated install
[03:38:16] wagnerrp: sphery: could you or someone respond in the negative to Matt Emmott?
[03:38:46] wagnerrp: Intel's Pentium and Celeron parts generally have their video processing bits disabled, meaning no VAAPI capability
[03:38:51] wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /348137.html
[03:39:07] wagnerrp: there's something wrong with my ISP's mail server, so i have no outbound currently
[03:39:56] wagnerrp: i wonder if i could hit alcor as a relay...
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[06:16:23] Tobbe5178: what is the best way of making mythtv rerecord all recordings where the video files is missing due to a disk crash?
[06:17:00] Tobbe5178: what i want is to make the backend forget all history so the broken recordings will be replaced by working once
[06:18:09] [R]: all history, or just the missing history
[06:18:12] [R]: you just asked 2 things
[06:18:57] Tobbe5178: :)
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[06:19:05] Tobbe5178: well...
[06:19:15] Tobbe5178: all files are missing
[06:19:22] [R]: wipe the recorded table
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[06:20:58] Tobbe5178: that would work yes but i was thinking more like expiring old and rerecord them if or when there is a rerun and i would like to see what i'm missing too
[06:35:56] phix: vening
[06:35:59] phix: evening*
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[12:05:37] _gunni_: Hi, my EIT stopped working recently. I am running mythtv 0.26+fixes on ubuntu 13.04. It must have stoppped around a week ago as there is no epg data anymore. Running mythbackend with -v none,eit only gives me "EITScanner (1): Started passive scan", but that does not lead me to where the error is. My TV still shows EPG so there is no problem from the broadcaster as far i can see. Anyone with tips?
[12:05:49] _gunni_: Or anyone with the same problem?
[12:07:18] jarle: _gunni_: are you only using passive scan? not active eit scanning?
[12:08:35] _gunni_: Dont know. If active scan is when i enable "scan on idle" then i use ative scan, too.
[12:10:20] jarle: _gunni_: passive scan will only scan transponders when it is recording, active scan will actively go out and scan all your transponders.
[12:10:39] _gunni_: Ok, then i enabled active scan.
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[12:13:31] _gunni_: Ah, ok, now when i stopped watching i get some EIT events, so maybe now i can find some more info on that.
[12:14:26] jarle: if you have a lot of channels you only watch/record once in a while you risk not gettng any eit for these if you don't have active eit turned on.
[12:15:11] _gunni_: No that is not the problem, as active scan is enabled and it worked until around a week ago or so. Maybe an update but i dont know now.
[12:16:00] jarle: _gunni_: maybe the eit data has been moved to a new transponder? Maybe you need to rescan?
[12:16:24] _gunni_: Ah, ok, that is worth a try.
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[13:41:15] tonsofpcs: you should do whichever makes you happy
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[19:12:43] Heffalump: following a hard drive failure, I've got a fresh install of mythbuntu (mythtv 0.25) and a database backup from an older version (not sure what – probably 0.23). What should I do with the database backup?
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[19:16:24] SteveGoodey: Heffalump: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . base_Restore
[19:17:00] Heffalump: will that do an upgrade at the same time? I read it but it didn't seem to address that question.
[19:30:03] Heffalump: ah, i see the source of mythconverg_restore says mythtv-setup will upgrade afterwards, thanks
[19:31:35] wagnerrp: do you actually have the old recordings?
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[19:47:15] KungFuJesus: I appear to be having this issue since upgrade to 0.26, is there a fix on the way?
[19:47:24] KungFuJesus: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11090
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[19:48:06] wagnerrp: not currently
[19:48:37] KungFuJesus: damnit, I regret upgrading to 0.25
[19:48:57] wagnerrp: 26?
[19:49:03] KungFuJesus: err yeah
[19:49:16] KungFuJesus: also for whatever reason it thinks all of my seek tables are invalid for editing
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[19:54:52] Heffalump: wagnerrp: yes, they were on a different disk
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[21:13:07] natanojl: KungFuJesus: This patch might help (haven't tried it myself though): http://code.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket . . . ode-ac3.diff
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[22:02:42] KungFuJesus: natanojl: where'd you find that patch?
[22:02:53] KungFuJesus: and is it the same bug? Is this bug related to the AC3 audio?
[22:03:30] KungFuJesus: The deadlock code seemed to be related to the ringbuffer not lining up properly
[22:03:58] KungFuJesus: what's weird is the diff between .25 and .26 really doesn't look all the different, just mostly version bumps on the ffmpeg function names and macros
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[22:27:13] J-e-f-f-A: Yikes, I was considering selling my HD-PVRs as I've lost my job, but they're only selling for $60–90 average on fleabay right now... Seems the rage is the newer 'Gaming Edition' one... /me feels old and outdated!
[22:28:58] wagnerrp: sadly, the HDPVR2 is not usable by us anyway
[22:29:20] J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, I was looking at that ... has HDMI in, but doesn't do HDCP...
[22:30:28] J-e-f-f-A: Surprisingly, I bought a few HDMI -> VGA dongles off of fleabay [china] for about $15 each, and they DO work with HDCP... I bought them to use with my new laptop that doesn't have VGA out at my church, which only has Analog VGA at this time...
[22:31:35] wagnerrp: hdfury?
[22:31:53] J-e-f-f-A: Does it have VGA in? /me doesn't remember — goes to google. ;-)
[22:32:01] wagnerrp: VGA out
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[22:33:06] wagnerrp: no vga on the laptop?
[22:33:29] J-e-f-f-A: Nope, it's an Acer M5 "Ultrabook" – has HDMI out only. (and only one port)
[22:34:17] wagnerrp: what about with a docking port?
[22:34:38] J-e-f-f-A: The el-cheapo HDMI->VGA adapter I bought actually handles HDCP, which I was shocked... I was surprised that it even worked with my laptop to tell you the truth, for $15. ;-)
[22:35:06] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: I didn't get a docking station, and I'm not sure there is one for this – unless it's USB or USB 3.0... there's no docking port on the laptop itself...
[22:35:41] wagnerrp: i mean i've got a w530 that doesn't have one on the laptop itself, but there's a VGA port on the docking station
[22:35:44] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: This is what I got: http://www.amazon.com/Acer-TimelineU-M5-581T- . . . p/B0085H657M
[22:36:18] J-e-f-f-A: I don't like W8, but my prior laptop was 9 years old, and it was time to upgrade...
[22:36:31] wagnerrp: scratch that. there is a VGA port on the left side
[22:37:32] wagnerrp: so downgrade
[22:37:52] J-e-f-f-A: yeah... I was shopping for one with a 'dual drive' setup – IE: HDD and SSD – and found this one. I probably should have researched more, as I incorrectly assumed the SSD was used for the OS, but on this model it's just used for super-fast Hibernate/Suspend/Resume... Everything else is on the HDD
[22:38:25] wagnerrp: is it actually a "dual drive"? or is the single drive on it a "hybrid" drive?
[22:38:35] wagnerrp: or, does it have a chunk of integrated flash?
[22:38:46] J-e-f-f-A: It's dual – but the SSD is actually a Mini-PCIe card IIRC.
[22:39:39] J-e-f-f-A: it's only a 20GB SSD – like I said, only used for super-fast suspend/resume (just a few seconds) and Hibernate/Resume (~10 secs)
[22:40:13] wagnerrp: suspend/resume only takes a few seconds anyway
[22:40:27] wagnerrp: hibernate... that depends on how much ram you've got
[22:40:40] wagnerrp: i'm sure mine takes about 2 minutes for that
[22:40:47] J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, I guess then it's just for Hibernate – as Suspend is just a super-low-power mode... 6GB ram on it.
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[22:42:33] J-e-f-f-A: It came with W8, which I'm no fan of... If I'm typing on the built-in keyboard, I often somehow generate a gesture or keypress that flips it to a W8 app or start menu, and have to Alt-F4 back to the application I was using on the 'desktop'... very annoying.
[22:45:09] J-e-f-f-A: oh, btw – I've been working on learning Python – I really had no idea how powerful it was – so many APIs, plugins, etc... Even 3D game engines based on it, etc... crazy powerful. I'm just beginning now (having 'ported' a text-based Solitaire game I wrote 18 years ago) – and now learning how to create a graphical version. ;-)
[22:45:45] wagnerrp: well... kinda...
[22:46:04] wagnerrp: no one in their right mind would ever create a 3D game engine in python
[22:46:16] wagnerrp: they would write a 3D game engine in C
[22:46:29] wagnerrp: and then make the necessary bindings to compile it as a python module
[22:46:37] wagnerrp: such that it could be accessed through python
[22:46:50] wagnerrp: all the meat would be compiled code
[22:46:52] J-e-f-f-A: - I thought I read that somewhere... ^ ah, maybe it was Python using C (sub)routines to do all the 'grunt' work?
[22:46:55] J-e-f-f-A: yeah
[22:46:59] wagnerrp: python would just be a high level management language
[22:47:26] J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, but still very impressive IMHO. ;-) *WAY* more powerful than I had thought originally.
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[22:47:52] J-e-f-f-A: Honestly, I thought that Python was just a glorified scripting language. D'oh!  ;-) I was WRONG!
[22:48:43] J-e-f-f-A: When I first starting writing code in it, I kept forgetting the colons on the IF and ELSE statements... hehehehe.
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[22:49:57] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp: Is Python just a hobby for you, or part of your daily job?
[22:50:14] wagnerrp: more hobby than job
[22:50:27] wagnerrp: i use it, but just for utility purposes
[22:50:41] J-e-f-f-A: That's cool. Did you have any formal classes/training, or did you just learn it on your own?
[22:50:52] wagnerrp: self taught
[22:51:15] J-e-f-f-A: Heh, that's been how I've learned most everything too. ;-) So there is hope for me. ;-)
[22:51:34] wagnerrp: to be honest, the only formal training i've ever had was a cheesy intro-to-c++ class freshman year
[22:51:50] J-e-f-f-A: And being un-employed, I was 'encouraged' by a headhunter to learn Python. ;-)
[22:52:28] wagnerrp: matlab, mathcad, python, php, html, fortran, c, c++, anything else ive forgotten... self taught either out of necessity or desire
[22:52:31] J-e-f-f-A: Hehehe... I had Basic Programming in High School, and a few 'company taught' classes on C back in the early 90's – no other formal training.
[22:53:23] wagnerrp: oh yeah, ti-basic, and the ability to copy/paste some 68k
[22:53:26] wagnerrp: :)
[22:53:59] J-e-f-f-A: Hehe, my list is Basic, HTML, COBOL, TAL (Tandem Transaction Application Language – kinda between Assembler and C), some C, some C++, then some VB, and more recently a little C#
[22:54:38] J-e-f-f-A: Oh yeah, forgot Amos Basic (a compiled basic, somewhat comparable to VB of the day) on my Amiga back in the early 90's.
[22:56:01] J-e-f-f-A: Heh, the first program I got paid to write was a Database system for a Car rental company in 1985 – on an Apple II computer. I had a full database of all cars, regular customers, inventory/accounting, etc. I was 16. ;-)
[22:56:13] J-e-f-f-A: I wrote it in Basic. ;-)
[22:58:36] J-e-f-f-A: I wish I had programmed into it to pay me $0.10/transaction back then – I probably would have made more cash. ;-) My payment was being able to take a 1986 1/2 300ZX Turbo to the Prom – 4 DAYS after they hit the showroom floor. That car was FAST! ;-)
[23:01:04] J-e-f-f-A: 0–60 in Holy *bleep*!  – I don't know how fast, I didn't count, but I couldn't see the road in front of me for a couple of seconds after I dropped the clutch racing a 70's Camaro... I'm not sure, but I *think* the front wheels came off the ground for a split second... I was about to shift into 3rd gear at about 90 when I let off as I was blowing his doors off...  ;-)
[23:03:26] J-e-f-f-A: So, back to MythTV world... ;-) I 'downgraded' my FiOS service to just the CableCard on the Ceton to save ~$50/month (which also included dropping my 'Extreme' plan for the fewer-channels 'Standard' plan, plus lowering my bandwidth to 15/2 from 35/35)
[23:04:13] natanojl: KungFuJesus: I'm one of the devs so I subscribe to http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-commits
[23:04:57] J-e-f-f-A: I don't have the premium/Movie channels, so I'm not losing much – other than the Science Channel, Animal Planet and Speed channel, but I'll survive...
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[23:13:42] KungFuJesus: hmm, well that patch seems to have made it work again
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[23:14:07] KungFuJesus: is it just me or does the mythlogserver eat up way too much CPU time than it ought to?
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[23:53:00] gizmobay: My router died so I had to get a new one which changed my ip. Now I can't connect to mythbackend. Two settings in mythtv-setup is all I need to change
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[23:55:41] wagnerrp: you shouldn't have to change anything, because you should be using static IPs
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[23:55:54] wagnerrp: either defined locally, or defined through the MAC address on your DHCP server
[23:56:57] gizmobay: I had static ips with my previous router now I have dhcp
[23:57:16] wagnerrp: so configure your DHCP server to hand out static IPs
[23:57:17] gizmobay: the subnet changed
[23:57:31] gizmobay: 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.1.1
[23:57:42] wagnerrp: so change it back
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[23:58:12] gizmobay: how?
[23:58:14] wagnerrp: by configuring your DHCP server
[23:58:14] wagnerrp: how else?
[23:58:27] wagnerrp: presumably that would be done by configuring your router
[23:58:39] gizmobay: I didn't see a spot to change it
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[23:59:18] wagnerrp: surely your router isn't hard coded to 192.168.1/24...
[23:59:26] gizmobay: Default DMZ server?
[23:59:30] wagnerrp: any manufacturer that did a foolish thing like that should be put out of business
[23:59:48] wagnerrp: it's bad enough they like to hard-code the 192.168 prefix to begin with

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