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| [01:12:43] | jesse`: | Hey, guys. I've noticed that one of my two video recorders isn't doing CC. |
| [01:13:34] | jesse`: | I have an HD-PVR that seems to be screwing up. The recordings show "CC" in the display, but no subtitles are available when I hit "T" or look at the menu. |
| [01:13:56] | jesse`: | My other recorder is producing recordings with subtitles. |
| [01:14:17] | jesse`: | They are hooked up to two different Directv boxes (one HD, the other not). |
| [01:14:26] | jesse`: | Any ideas? |
| [01:16:07] | jesse`: | Oh wait. Just found http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Captions_with_HD-PVR. Let me read that. |
| [01:17:59] | jesse`: | Ah, well, that explains it. " it is not currently possible to obtain closed caption data from recordings produced by a Hauppauge HD-PVR." |
| [01:21:15] | sheppard: | yep |
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| [01:25:45] | jesse`: | Looks like the solution there requires one to use a card to get the captions, in addition to the HD-PVR. |
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| [01:26:23] | wagnerrp: | hardly a simple solution... you need captions? |
| [01:26:28] | jesse`: | That's a clever solution, but I don't think I want to tie up two recorders just so I can have captions. |
| [01:27:28] | jesse`: | So, I guess I'll just do without. Shame that CC is becoming *less* universal, since there's evidently no HD standard for it. |
| [01:27:53] | wagnerrp: | erm... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEA-708 |
| [01:28:12] | wagnerrp: | technically you are correct |
| [01:28:18] | wagnerrp: | that's merely the digital standard |
| [01:28:46] | wagnerrp: | component video has no VBI space in which to carry closed captioned data |
| [01:29:15] | jesse`: | I see. |
| [01:29:31] | wagnerrp: | you could probably get your DTV box to cook the captions into the video |
| [01:29:44] | jesse`: | Not that I have an HDMI connection to the recorder, but does HDMI carry captions? |
| [01:29:46] | wagnerrp: | it's the same way you would have to view them when using the box directly |
| [01:30:03] | wagnerrp: | no. hdmi would be the same. captions would need to be cooked into the video |
| [01:30:27] | jesse`: | Yeah, I just like captions on rare occasions, so want it toggleable during viewing. Not a great need, really. |
| [01:30:29] | wagnerrp: | that is assuming there were actually a way to capture hdmi. there isn't |
| [01:30:43] | jesse`: | Right. That's a pain in the ass. |
| [01:31:03] | jesse`: | Paying all that money for good resolution, and having to record somewhat worse resolution. |
| [01:31:26] | jesse`: | I wonder if that'll ever change. |
| [01:31:40] | wagnerrp: | component video does 1080i |
| [01:31:55] | wagnerrp: | there's nothing on broadcast or cable, and very little on DTV, that's actually 1080p |
| [01:32:48] | jesse`: | Oh. Well I notice that NHL games sure look much better on the TV than on the recording. Maybe I don't have a good recording profile or something. |
| [01:33:04] | jesse`: | I know doodlysquat about these things. |
| [01:33:14] | wagnerrp: | try turning up the bitrate on the HDPVR |
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| [01:40:44] | jesse`: | Sorry, had a little hiccup there. |
| [01:41:08] | jesse`: | The last advice I saw was to increase the bitrate to improve quality. What's a good bitrate for 1080i? |
| [01:47:50] | wagnerrp: | as i understand it, letting the HDPVR do VBR means it generally won't exceed ~8Mbps |
| [01:47:59] | wagnerrp: | try forcing 10–12Mbps CBR |
| [01:48:17] | wagnerrp: | i know that was the recommendation years ago. i don't know if it's still valid |
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| [02:06:51] | jesse`: | Hmmm... I'll see if I can figure out where the VBR/CBR switch is set. |
| [02:07:11] | jesse`: | Looking at recording profiles, it looks like everything is variable bitrate. |
| [02:07:13] | wagnerrp: | should be in the recording/transcoding profiles |
| [02:08:43] | jesse`: | I found a forum entry that suggests CBR is set by putting the peak (=max?) bitrate less than the average bitrate. |
| [02:08:51] | jesse`: | I can do that in recording profiles. |
| [02:10:17] | jesse`: | What are the low res/med res/high res settings for? What counts as low resolution? |
| [02:11:27] | wagnerrp: | 480/720/1080 |
| [02:11:33] | jesse`: | Thanks. |
| [02:11:38] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR encodes at whatever resolution it receives |
| [02:11:53] | wagnerrp: | and uses which ever setting is appropriate for that resolution |
| [02:12:51] | jesse`: | Well, I'll see if my hockey looks better next game. I changed the high quality profile to use CBR as you suggested, but I can't test it now, since the recorder is busy. |
| [02:13:08] | jesse`: | Thanks a lot for your help, wagnerrp. |
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| [02:19:34] | Trisky: | hi there, i running Debian (latest version) and i am trying to install mythtv 0.26 for the first time..... When I start mythtv-setup and select my country I get "upgrading to mithtv schema version 1226" and it stays there and does nothing... What should I do? |
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| [03:42:25] | wagnerrp: | oh wonderful... |
| [03:42:49] | wagnerrp: | i'm getting penis photos on my phone from some random person in an area code ive never even heard of |
| [03:46:05] | mijofa: | Send back a message claiming to be from the pedophile prevention task-force, telling them to stay where they are and wait for the police to turn up. :) |
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| [04:12:43] | wagnerrp: | [R]: i'm sure you've got a joke about that comment |
| [04:12:57] | [R]: | what comment? |
| [04:13:04] | wagnerrp: | backlogs... |
| [04:13:41] | [R]: | i just joined |
| [04:13:48] | wagnerrp: | !url logs |
| [04:13:48] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [04:15:05] | [R]: | like mms? |
| [04:15:12] | wagnerrp: | aye |
| [04:15:22] | [R]: | i dunno if you can report that to the carrier as spam |
| [04:15:24] | [R]: | you could try |
| [04:15:42] | wagnerrp: | already deleted it. will consider if i get more... |
| [04:16:01] | wagnerrp: | first message was telling me it was ryan, from skype |
| [04:16:08] | wagnerrp: | i've never actually used skype |
| [04:18:06] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:18:11] | [R]: | probably just wrong # |
| [04:18:17] | [R]: | i was getting calls from a dentists office in missouri |
| [04:18:27] | [R]: | eventually i decided to pick up and tell em it was the wrong # |
| [04:18:38] | wagnerrp: | you know, you're probably right |
| [04:18:49] | wagnerrp: | work phone, had the number for all of two weeks |
| [04:19:15] | wagnerrp: | i was getting calls last week from a collection agency asking for some girl |
| [04:19:37] | wagnerrp: | can't remember the name, although to be honest, i never really understood what they were saying in the recorded message anyway |
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| [04:31:46] | biffhero: | I give up. I put mainmenu.xml into ~/.mythtv/themes/Steppes and hack it all up, but I still get the default one. Do I need to rm it from somewhere else? |
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| [04:34:50] | biffhero: | I am trying Terra now. I am trying to delete the optical menu, and add a new menu to launch xbmc |
| [04:35:06] | lapion: | wagnerrp, I have had the problem with mythttranscode loading the whole nuppel file into memory for quite some time now. |
| [04:35:51] | lapion: | do you have the same problem ? |
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| [04:38:21] | [R]: | biffhero: i have a ~/.mythtv/themes/mymenu |
| [04:38:30] | [R]: | biffhero: you set the menu theme independent of regular theme |
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| [04:40:14] | biffhero: | so I don't do this in ~/.mythtv/themes/Terra/ ? |
| [04:40:58] | [R]: | huh? |
| [04:40:59] | biffhero: | If so, that's cool, I just misunderstood http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menu_theme_development_guide |
| [04:41:19] | biffhero: | "Now create a directory with the same name as the menu theme you want to change. If you're using 'mediacentermenu,' then do this:" and the next line: mkdir mediacentermenu; cd mediacentermenu |
| [04:41:48] | [R]: | my theme is named somethign else |
| [04:42:00] | [R]: | you can make your own themes naemd wahtever |
| [04:42:04] | biffhero: | So I have been editing in ~/.mythtv/themes/Terra/mainmenu.xml and ~/.mythtv/themes/Steppes/mainmenu.xml/ |
| [04:42:10] | [R]: | if you want to override an existing and keep the name, i geuss you ahve to do that |
| [04:42:17] | [R]: | and you set the theme name in the menu theme setting? |
| [04:44:01] | biffhero: | I hadn't ever thought to make one into a newly named one, I thought it would look in my homedir, find the new files, and use those. I'll try with a new name. |
| [04:44:58] | [R]: | make sure the themeinfo has a diff name |
| [04:45:05] | biffhero: | Now you're set up to experiment with editing the menus without having to change the original files. MythFrontend will check both its own themes directories for XML files, and the themes directory you just created. |
| [04:45:08] | biffhero: | ok. |
| [04:45:58] | SteveGoodey: | biffhero: If you still have problems you could try the mythtv-theming list. http://www.mythtv.org/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-theming/ |
| [04:46:48] | biffhero: | nope, still isn't working. Thanks. I have a mainmenu.xml that it's not reading. |
| [04:46:56] | biffhero: | I'll look at the list archives. |
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| [04:48:45] | biffhero: | Mar 21 21:46:25 rob-desktop mythfrontend[4025]: N CoreContext main.cpp:1074 (RunMenu) Found mainmenu.xml for theme 'Steppes-rob' <<< I wish I knew which mainmenu.xml file that was reading. |
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| [04:50:38] | [R]: | thats why you set a name in the themeinfo |
| [04:51:43] | biffhero: | sure, the name I set was Steppes-rob |
| [04:51:52] | [R]: | then the mainmenu is the one in taht dierctory |
| [04:51:57] | biffhero: | I wish. |
| [04:52:37] | biffhero: | I found the problem, though. if I do this, it all works as expected: cd /usr/share/mythtv/themes/defaultmenu ; mv mainmenu.xml mainmenu.xml.backup |
| [04:53:41] | [R]: | then you'er doing somethign wrong |
| [04:54:12] | lapion: | anyone else ? |
| [04:55:33] | biffhero: | I'm sure I am, but I think I'm following the "this is how you override a menu, and keep the same name" that are explained on the wiki. |
| [04:55:42] | lapion: | the problem seems to be nuppel video only. |
| [04:56:03] | [R]: | well i'm telling you what i did, and it works perfect |
| [04:56:04] | [R]: | so... |
| [04:57:02] | biffhero: | But you changed the theme name. The wiki says mythtv will pick up menu changes without needing to change the theme name. |
| [04:57:23] | [R]: | well i'd rather have somethign work, then arbitrarily screwing around with stuff in /usr |
| [04:57:34] | biffhero: | s/arbitrarily// |
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| [13:54:54] | B0BBY: | hello users. how does one determine if their card is recognized. I have a Diamond ATI TV Wonder HD 750 USB, and I haven't specifically installed any drivers. |
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| [14:09:09] | SteveGoodey: | B0BBY: Normally look in dmesg, see if it's in there. |
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| [14:10:06] | B0BBY: | SteveGoodey: dmesg shows activity when I plug it in/out. |
| [14:10:21] | B0BBY: | but read online that ati/amd doesn't have drivers for this stick and don't plan on it. |
| [14:10:31] | B0BBY: | so it might be pointless. |
| [14:11:32] | SteveGoodey: | Have you seen http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1653717.html That was way back in 2010. |
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| [14:12:43] | B0BBY: | SteveGoodey: reading. |
| [14:16:19] | SteveGoodey: | LinuxTV Wiki says unsupported. Looks like from a Linux standpoint it's a door stop. |
| [14:17:56] | B0BBY: | yeah, they didn't resolve it either. |
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| [14:18:13] | B0BBY: | I read earlier online too that it was from ati who said they had no plans to support it on linux. |
| [14:18:45] | B0BBY: | it was a cheap card (cheapish ~60) at the local store and didn't want to wait for ordering on line. |
| [14:19:47] | B0BBY: | it had a win7 driver which works in win8 BUT only if you upgrade 7 to 8. Not if you try to install fresh in win8. sounds like I should jus get a new card and move to ubuntu |
| [14:20:16] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, the 750 is a non-starter. |
| [14:20:20] | devinheitmueller: | No driver support at all. |
| [14:20:58] | devinheitmueller: | Even without ATI doing the Linux support, they wouldn't make available the data sheets or reference driver support in order for one of us to do it. |
| [14:22:20] | B0BBY: | you would think that vendors who write windows only drivers would make specs available and probably window code so someone will up and write a linux driver and it would only make the product more usable. |
| [14:22:44] | B0BBY: | but someone probably writes a neat little algorithm they think must be protected and they don't share anything out of fear that someone will copy their stuff. |
| [14:24:01] | B0BBY: | it works great on win8 but the problem is the dvr-ms format. there's only one editor for it. and it's pretty crappy. keyframe chop only. so I figured may linux pvr'ing has better alternatives for recording, editting commercials, etc |
| [14:25:48] | neufeld: | Often the card contains components and/or firmware that they license from another company. The result is that no one company necessarily owns all of the intellectual property associated with a piece of hardware. That makes it harder to get permission to release details, and legal/contractual issues become dominant. |
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| [14:29:12] | devinheitmueller: | The problem neufeld describes tends to be less of an issue with demodulators, but the ATI 750 is a special case because the IP was transferred several times and the ownership is unclear (ATI->AMD->Broadcom) |
| [14:30:01] | devinheitmueller: | I talked to them about it in 2009 and they couldn't tell me who actually owned the rights on the reference driver code. |
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| [14:31:51] | B0BBY: | in the end it makes sense if they want to hide it. but it probably won't cost too must to hire a few devs to write even closed source drivers for linux. |
| [14:32:50] | devinheitmueller: | BOBBY: are you offering to hire such developers? |
| [14:32:57] | B0BBY: | I guess not many people worry about tv cards especially with netflix and other streaming services. |
| [14:32:59] | devinheitmueller: | Got a few $10,000 kicking around? |
| [14:33:23] | devinheitmueller: | You might be surprised how much effort goes into making these devices work. It's not trivial. |
| [14:33:39] | B0BBY: | devinheitmueller: not offering to hire. just thinking out loud that it wouldn't be too costly (subjective) for a big company like ATI/AMD to hire a dev to write linux drivers for their hardware. |
| [14:34:00] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, except they have zero reason to care about Linux users. |
| [14:34:18] | B0BBY: | plus who know what budgetary circus they got going behind scenes |
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| [14:36:06] | B0BBY: | as a software dev, one of the things I like to keep in mind is ease of use of code, etc. I like to keep things easy to understand and to plug into new projects. but my teammates' reactions seems to shed light on the overall approach in the industry. |
| [14:36:22] | B0BBY: | my team cries if forces to use source control. |
| [14:36:53] | devinheitmueller: | Having worked for a vendor who makes tuners, I am well aware. :-) |
| [14:36:58] | B0BBY: | because it's not point and click and they can't read a doc to learn new commands. but the point and click takes too long to check in. so they just don't check in code. |
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| [14:37:29] | B0BBY: | oh, nice. so you worked for a tv card vendor? |
| [14:37:52] | devinheitmueller: | Yup. |
| [14:38:06] | B0BBY: | it sounds fun. at least from this side of the fence. |
| [14:38:26] | devinheitmueller: | It was fun. |
| [14:38:47] | B0BBY: | altho, it's the same people say about telephony software and I find it too boring now. |
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| [22:38:43] | skd5aner: | question, for a while now commskip will often cut off the last 1–2 seconds of the show prior to the commercial break – is there any way to fix this? |
| [22:39:08] | skd5aner: | In the settings I see you can have it rewind a few seconds after the skip, but I don't see anything that talks about playing more before the skip |
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