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| [00:45:52] | red_: | I have a PVR-350 analogue card im setting as a IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card – when I try to tune channels with the s-video as the input it finds 60ish "channels", tried recording off some of them and they don't work. My setup involves an rca cable conainting only a single video output connected to the s video port of the tuner card, how can i get mythtv to just record whats on the cable and not 'find' 60 channels |
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| [01:24:55] | wagnerrp: | you can't "tune' using svideo inputs |
| [01:25:03] | wagnerrp: | you can't scan using svideo inputs |
| [01:25:10] | wagnerrp: | and svideo inputs do not accept RCA cables |
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| [01:29:24] | red_: | really....... looks like my explanation was confusing |
| [01:29:55] | red_: | got around the first two issues by doing the steps ot of order |
| [01:30:04] | wagnerrp: | it sounds like you're using composite (1-pin, 2-wire) to connect a cable/satellite box to analog capture on your PVR-350 |
| [01:30:18] | wagnerrp: | the trouble is first, you can't tune baseband inputs |
| [01:30:36] | wagnerrp: | you must instead use some channel changing script to control this external box |
| [01:30:52] | red_: | theres no need |
| [01:30:56] | wagnerrp: | second, the box will ALWAYS output a signal, even if tuning was unsuccessful |
| [01:31:11] | wagnerrp: | so there is no way for mythtv to know if there is actually something available on that channel |
| [01:31:54] | red_: | i've got video and stuff atm |
| [01:32:12] | red_: | so that's no longer a concern – someone playing around with the box provding the signal |
| [01:32:42] | red_: | though what i record of that doesn't play back nicely – like fastforwards through 1 min of recording in two seconds |
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| [01:35:38] | red_: | just following the steps in order without thinking for a bit heh |
| [01:36:30] | wagnerrp: | what exactly are you trying to record |
| [01:36:46] | wagnerrp: | it's almost certainly going to be advisable to get a DVB card of some sort to replace that old analog card |
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| [01:39:23] | red_: | just outputs from a device |
| [01:39:34] | wagnerrp: | but what device? |
| [01:39:46] | red_: | kramer |
| [01:40:36] | red_: | currently the analogue card works as needed |
| [01:40:39] | wagnerrp: | i don't know what that means |
| [01:41:45] | red_: | a matrix |
| [01:42:00] | red_: | takes inputs distributes to outputs |
| [01:42:28] | red_: | for this part a dvb card is overkill since the analogue one does what is required |
| [01:42:30] | wagnerrp: | so you're not trying to capture TV. you're just trying to view the output of some A/V matrix switch? |
| [01:42:36] | red_: | yep |
| [01:42:44] | wagnerrp: | then you probably shouldn't be using mythtv |
| [01:43:04] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not designed to be used on "single channel" systems |
| [01:43:31] | red_: | i see |
| [01:43:52] | red_: | it's mainly for the scheduling and frontend rather than the backend |
| [01:44:01] | wagnerrp: | what is? |
| [01:44:08] | red_: | using myth for this |
| [01:44:35] | wagnerrp: | for your purposes, there is no scheduling, as mythtv has no ability to change the channel to capture the channel in question |
| [01:46:17] | red_: | i see what you are saying |
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| [01:46:50] | red_: | though it is working like that now |
| [01:47:14] | wagnerrp: | meaning you're just making simple time-based rules, like a VCR? |
| [01:47:48] | red_: | yea |
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| [01:49:28] | red_: | i do have a dvb card |
| [01:49:32] | red_: | hence why using myth |
| [01:49:45] | red_: | this is just something extra |
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| [01:56:33] | wagnerrp: | crazy people and their manual capturing... |
| [01:58:39] | [R]: | lol |
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| [04:03:45] | tgm4883: | I think I found a bug in the Frontend services API in 0.26. If the frontend is in the "Watch Videos" screen and do a PlayRecording, it switches to "Watch Recordings", and queues up the recording but doesn't play it. If I then send a second PlayRecording for a different recording, it will queue it behind the first one and play the first recording. If I then exit that recording, it will play the second queued recording. |
| [04:04:08] | tgm4883: | Is this something other people have been seeing as well/a known issue? |
| [04:08:01] | tgm4883: | It doesn't appear to be putting the recording into a playlist, and if I use the remote to go to the second recording the first queued one is never played, so I'm unsure what to do from here |
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| [04:32:50] | tgm4883: | filed bug #11453 |
| [04:32:50] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11453 ** | |
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| [14:42:22] | sphery: | tgm4883: you tested PlayRecording from other screens, too--not just Watch Videos? (At least a test from the main menu is warranted.) |
| [14:42:50] | tgm4883: | sphery, yea, I tested it from outside watch recordings |
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| [14:42:56] | sphery: | tgm4883: if it works from the main menu, your issue is probably related to (or caused by) the issue that should be fixed in #10407 |
| [14:42:56] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10407 ** | |
| [14:43:03] | tgm4883: | let me verify again |
| [14:43:15] | sphery: | yeah, I'm mainly wondering about the main menu |
| [14:43:44] | tgm4883: | Nope, fails from main menu too |
| [14:43:45] | sphery: | if it works from there, it's probably the limitations of the jump points since we're not properly using mythui to exit things |
| [14:43:51] | sphery: | cool, thanks for checking |
| [14:43:57] | tgm4883: | yep, np |
| [14:45:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: BTW, did you upgrade the wiki book creator? It's failing for me, now, on all but the smallest of pages (like 1-line pages). I know you had seen some problems before, but it worked for me, even on big pages. So now I'm wondering what the common cause may be |
| [14:45:42] | sphery: | I thought you had said something about memory or ... causing it? |
| [14:50:04] | sphery: | hmmm, turns out that the "Download as PDF" link works (on the nav bar), but the "Create a book" link doesn't... |
| [14:51:01] | sphery: | I probably tried the other one, before, and didn't use the Book Creator. So, really not a problem for now (since HOWTO is still just one "page" in the wiki), but will have to figure that out eventually. |
| [14:53:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, next question... Do you have permissions on the mythtv.org web site? If so, we can get the howto updated |
| [14:53:19] | sphery: | if not, I'll check with bei rdo |
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| [14:59:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Also, what do you think we should do for "This document is available as a single-page HTML document at"? Keep that and post a single-page HTML version on www or just consider the wiki page itself ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO ) to be the single-page? (Could re-phrase it as a "downloadable" or "offline" version and just use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=MythTV-HOWTO&printable=yes ? |
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| [15:10:01] | sphery: | Hehe, now Book Creator is working, too. Maybe it is just a memory issue and somehow there's now more memory available. |
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| [16:24:45] | mcmoyer: | hey all, I recently upgraded from .24 to .26 — Some of my recorded programs are highlighted in the recording list now. What does that signify? |
| [16:29:28] | sphery: | "damage" --i.e. there's a discontinuity in timestamps, which could exist because of signal issues causing some portion of the video to be missed/corrupt or because of how your broadcaster encoded the video |
| [16:30:01] | sphery: | in theory, the 2nd shouldn't happen (and, IIRC, happens much less in current 0.26-fixes than in the 0.26 release, so if you're not using 0.26-fixes...) |
| [16:35:05] | mcmoyer: | ahh…ok, it's random and not very often. I am running .26-fixes too |
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| [19:07:03] | devinheitmueller: | Is anybody using the HVR-2250 for analog with closed captions? |
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| [19:59:38] | jarle: | So, I'm getting ready to set up a new ubuntu machine with backend only. During install I was warned that the user "mythtv" was a reserved username. Would it lead me into problems if i choose "mythtv" as the username for the only login-user on this machine? |
| [20:04:02] | jarle: | and also, will I need all the same packages installed if I only want to compile the backend vs both backend and frontend? |
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| [20:16:26] | tgm4883: | jarle, yes. I'm under the impression that you cannot do that on a Mythbuntu install |
| [20:18:44] | jarle: | tgm4883: You are referring to the mythtv username? I'm not running mythbuntu, this is an ubuntu server installation that will not run any pre-compiled mythtv packages. |
| [20:19:46] | tgm4883: | jarle, then you probably won't run into any issues |
| [20:20:22] | jarle: | tgm4883: I wouldn't think so either... |
| [20:20:27] | tgm4883: | jarle, out of curiosity, why not the pre-compiled packages? |
| [20:22:23] | jarle: | tgm4883: I like to have control, if I run different distributions on my frontends/backends it is easier to make sure they run the same versions of mythtv if I compile it myself. |
| [20:22:59] | tgm4883: | I suppose that is true, although except for special circumstances, the only part that needs to be the same is the major version |
| [20:23:14] | ** tgm4883 glares at 0.23.1 ** | |
| [20:23:44] | jarle: | tgm4883: my impression so far has been that DB versions change when you least expect it... |
| [20:24:32] | tgm4883: | jarle, if that is your experience, you are talking about 0.23.1. IIRC, that is the only time an unexpected DB schema change happened (at least since I started using it in 0.20 days) |
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| [20:27:06] | jarle: | ....and I am more free to add a patch or two if I am compiling from source... |
| [20:29:19] | sphery: | DB version didn't change in 0.23.1, (network) protocol did |
| [20:29:46] | sphery: | TTBOMK, we've never had a DB version change without a MythTV major version change |
| [20:29:54] | tgm4883: | jarle, I'm not trying to talk you out of it. Just trying to understand if there is something we need to fix |
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| [20:30:14] | sphery: | even in 0.20.1, the required DB change was handled through a hack so that we didn't have to do a DB version change |
| [20:30:35] | tgm4883: | sphery, oh, I thought that was a DB schema change, but now that I think about it, users didn't have to restore from backup |
| [20:30:44] | tgm4883: | sphery, so you are right (as usual ;) ) |
| [20:30:56] | sphery: | and, FWIW, I agree that using compiled packages is the best bet for those who aren't patching (and often for those who are patching, using the package building script is the right way) |
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| [20:32:55] | sphery: | proto version went from 56 in 0.23 to 23056 in 0.23.1 |
| [20:34:45] | tgm4883: | ah yea |
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| [20:36:31] | sphery: | in 0.20, proto version was 30 and in 0.20.1, it was 31 (not sure how they squared that with unstable/development at the time--I was more of a user on the sidelines at the time) |
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| [20:37:22] | sphery: | ok, I stand corrected--they did do both a proto and db schema version change in 0.20->0.20.1 ... schema went from 1158 to 1160 |
| [20:37:55] | sphery: | but that was all because of the death of tv_grab_na and the introduction of DataDirect Labs |
| [20:40:29] | sphery: | actually, I have no idea why that happened... db schema changes added watched flag for recordings and fixed some issue where recordings weren't properly marked as having cuts |
| [20:41:45] | sphery: | I'm guessing the answer is also the explanation of how they squared proto version changes with unstable/development--the changes were so big that they basically just snapshotted unstable/development and released it as 0.20.1 |
| [20:41:53] | sphery: | not sure why they didn't choose a new major rev, though |
| [20:42:24] | sphery: | (the changes for adding DataDirect Labs support were so big, that is) |
| [20:45:52] | Steve-Goodey: | A bit of grumbling on mythtv-users about slow progress on fixes etc. |
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| [21:02:47] | messerting: | Hi folks, is there any USB infrared receivers that I can buy online that works out of the box with recent kernels (ie. no need for custom built lirc etc)? Any recommendations? |
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| [21:15:05] | sphery: | no recommendations from me--I wouldn't trust USB for reliability/stability on a DVR "appliance" I rely on--so the best I can give you is... |
| [21:15:09] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [21:15:09] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [21:15:38] | sphery: | ah, wait, infrared receivers... /me needs to learn to read better |
| [21:15:50] | sphery: | USB is fine for LIRC/IR type stuff (but I don't trust it for tuners) |
| [21:17:03] | sphery: | my remote uses a USB receiver, but I wouldn't recommend it to others... It's RF--and the signal isn't too reliable thanks to the antenna that's holding the remote--and the buttons are squishy (gotta really mash them for it to take) |
| [21:17:47] | sphery: | I think many are using MCE IR remotes--and they can be found online for ~ $15 or so--and I'm pretty sure they use USB receivers |
| [21:29:35] | messerting: | sphery: thank – yes, infrared :) |
| [21:30:00] | messerting: | and, yes I do have both PCI and USB based DVB-C tuners. Very unreliable the USB one... |
| [21:31:35] | messerting: | and2: I did some more searching on my current USB infrared (iguanaworks) and it turns out (I hope!) that it is not broken after all, but the device moved from /dev/iguanaIR/0 to /var/run/iguanaIR/0 |
| [21:31:36] | messerting: | haha! |
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| [21:43:07] | sphery: | messerting: ah, cool--hope that's all it is. good luck |
| [21:44:03] | messerting: | sphery: thanks |
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| [23:46:24] | Twiggy2cents: | sphery, I have 3 usb tuners. They can be finnicky if i unplug them and replug them but other than that not really any issue |
| [23:47:00] | wagnerrp: | things would be a lot more stable had you used tuners with a proper hardware interconnect |
| [23:47:23] | Twiggy2cents: | Heh tell me about it |
| [23:48:19] | Twiggy2cents: | I had one in the beginning and it worked fine, so I got another one. When I got the third, I only got it because it was substantially cheaper than any used PCI card I could find. |
| [23:48:54] | Twiggy2cents: | Having three is when I started having any issues with them. But it will record three shows at once so it must not be killing the usb at all |
| [23:49:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you see my question, earlier, about web site privs and the HOWTO? |
| [23:49:36] | wagnerrp: | nope, been busy the last several days |
| [23:49:41] | wagnerrp: | not paying much attention |
| [23:49:49] | ** wagnerrp checks the scrollback ** | |
| [23:49:55] | sphery: | So, as you may have noticed, I'm a little bit late getting the HOWTO switched over to the wiki version |
| [23:50:27] | Twiggy2cents: | Wish I had known about the HDHR, that would of been everything I wanted and cheaper than buying the two other usb tuners when I wanted to upgrade |
| [23:50:44] | sphery: | I tried doing the PDF creator on the wiki, and it failed for all but the smallest (read, "one line") pages, and I remembered your saying something about that (maybe memory related)... Then after I asked you about it, the creator worked fine. |
| [23:50:49] | wagnerrp: | actually, i hadn't |
| [23:50:59] | wagnerrp: | since you're an admin, you're auto-patrolled |
| [23:51:21] | sphery: | well, I mean that we still have the 0.24 version on www... |
| [23:51:55] | sphery: | Anyway, I can now (could?) create books (at least when it decides to work), so I can create the PDF we need for www |
| [23:52:29] | sphery: | But, in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO#How_t . . . his_document , we say, "This document is available as a single-page HTML document at..." |
| [23:53:28] | sphery: | currently it's one page on the wiki, so that doesn't make a lot of sense, but I was wondering if you think we should rephrase that to, "available for downloading" or "available for offline reading" at and then post a copy of the HTML from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=MythTV-HOWTO&printable=yes to www for download |
| [23:53:54] | sphery: | and once we figure out an answer to that, I just need to find someone with privs on www to update it--thought you might have them... |
| [23:54:32] | sphery: | or, we could just remove the reference to the single-page/downloadable/offline HTML |
| [23:54:45] | wagnerrp: | i've always had problems with the wiki creator |
| [23:55:14] | sphery: | yeah, it seems it's semi-stable... I'm not sure what kicked it into gear this morning (was failing yesterday), but I'm not complaining |
| [23:55:15] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, kormoc told me what my problem was a year or so ago, but i've not had a reason to use it to remember what that was |
| [23:55:25] | wagnerrp: | he would be better to ask questions |
| [23:55:33] | sphery: | ok, will ask him about that |
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| [23:55:45] | wagnerrp: | i do have full access to the server if you need something changed |
| [23:56:16] | sphery: | right now, though, my main concern is the "single page" comment and how to get the www site updated |
| [23:56:20] | sphery: | thoughts? |
| [23:56:28] | wagnerrp: | what's the link to the incorrect page? |
| [23:56:55] | wagnerrp: | you've just listed wiki pages |
| [23:57:25] | sphery: | I need to update http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ to point/redirect to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO (I don't think it's worth posting a second copy to www--even with skinning/theming) |
| [23:57:46] | sphery: | and http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html#ss1.4 currently points to http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-singlehtml.html |
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| [23:58:02] | sphery: | and I definitely need to replace http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.pdf with the PDF I create from the wiki page |
| [23:58:13] | wagnerrp: | isn't docs auto-generated from the source tree? |
| [23:58:25] | sphery: | not anymore... there's no docs in the source tree |
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| [23:58:32] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v kormoc | |
| [23:58:50] | kormoc: | Did my lines go though? |
| [23:58:53] | sphery: | the thought was we'd move it to wiki, where more people could contribute (via talk pages and, eventually, getting some group of "approved" editors) |
| [23:58:58] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [23:59:09] | wagnerrp: | all we saw was a ping timeout |
| [23:59:24] | kormoc: | kormoc: it's likely the third party service we use to do the generation |
| [23:59:24] | kormoc: | kormoc: we just have to install and setup a package and it'll generate locally |
| [23:59:34] | sphery: | so I've removed the docs from source--because people were randomly updating one or the other, and I was sick of porting changes between the 2 :) |
| [23:59:57] | wagnerrp: | oh, right... i think my problems were caused by some javascript blocker |
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