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| [02:24:23] | quinten: | i was recommended to install the patches here: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10504. I'm running 0.26.20120822–1 |
| [02:25:18] | quinten: | However, when I try to install the patches, patch warns me that they seem to be already applied. yet i'm still experiencing the same issue |
| [02:25:40] | quinten: | mythweb just shows two root_url links with a broken image reference, nothing else |
| [02:26:08] | quinten: | should i try to force the patches to install despite the warning from patch, or does htis mean I have a different issue? |
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| [02:52:11] | tgm4883: | the opengl es support doesn't help with video playback at all does it? |
| [02:52:32] | wagnerrp: | likely video rendering |
| [02:52:41] | wagnerrp: | but not decoding |
| [02:52:46] | tgm4883: | ok |
| [02:52:51] | wagnerrp: | decoding would need openmax support |
| [02:53:17] | tgm4883: | Just wondering if I should bother turning on ARM builds since Ubuntu is releasing to nexus 7 & 10 tomorrow |
| [02:53:40] | tgm4883: | it has opengl es acceleration, but nothing more I'm told |
| [02:53:53] | wagnerrp: | you could, but i wouldn't expect it to get much use |
| [02:55:33] | tgm4883: | yea I don't think it's going to happen |
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| [03:03:09] | petres: | Last night I was here asking for help trying to figure out why my mythbuntu 12.04/mythtv 0.25 system wasn't recording, and people graciously offered ideas. |
| [03:03:35] | petres: | I ended up shutting down the box and restarting it, and then it seemed okay, or so I thought. |
| [03:04:02] | petres: | My tuner is a Hauppauge dual tuner card (I forget the model) |
| [03:04:10] | wagnerrp: | -2250? |
| [03:04:20] | petres: | wagnerrp, yes, that sounds right. |
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| [03:05:10] | petres: | It recorded one program fine, but then I queued up two more, which it started recording, but then something hung because the web interface showed them still being recorded 24 hours later (tonight, that is). |
| [03:05:36] | petres: | I restarted the backend, and now in the backend log I see statements like this: |
| [03:05:54] | petres: | CoreContext dvbchannel.cpp:232 (Open) DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts. |
| [03:06:34] | petres: | There are similar errors for DVBChan2 and DVBChan3, too. |
| [03:06:49] | petres: | Which is weird because the card only has two tuners, not three. |
| [03:06:55] | jm|laptop: | petres: what does lsusb show? |
| [03:07:32] | wagnerrp: | mythtv uses "virtual tuners" to account for the fact that digital tuners tune a multiplex, rather than a single channel |
| [03:07:45] | wagnerrp: | so you can capture multiple channels simultaneously on a single tuner |
| [03:07:51] | petres: | jm|laptop, lsusb mentions three root hubs and media card reader. Or did you mean lspci? |
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| [03:08:05] | jm|laptop: | oh is it a card not a dongle. Sorry. |
| [03:08:09] | wagnerrp: | any chance you're using the analog inputs on that card? |
| [03:08:10] | petres: | wagnerrp, ah, makes sense. |
| [03:08:25] | petres: | wagnerrp, yes, just an OTA antenna |
| [03:08:48] | wagnerrp: | so... you're not using the analog inputs then? |
| [03:08:56] | petres: | But the encoding in that is digital, isn't it? |
| [03:09:19] | wagnerrp: | if you're using ATSC, that's all digital |
| [03:09:35] | petres: | Oh, I see what you mean. No, I'm using the ATSC input. |
| [03:09:35] | wagnerrp: | and (nearly) all antenna use in the US is ATSC |
| [03:10:00] | petres: | Right, I had to get the new card when analog went away. |
| [03:10:29] | jm|laptop: | petres: is that card in lspci? |
| [03:11:09] | petres: | jm|laptop, yes: 02:00.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7164 (rev 81) |
| [03:11:20] | jm|laptop: | lsof | grep dvb |
| [03:11:47] | petres: | jm|laptop, nope, no dvb in lspci. |
| [03:11:54] | jm|laptop: | lsof | grep dvb |
| [03:13:11] | petres: | jm|laptop, yes, that shows up: http://pastebin.com/VGVBXHmc |
| [03:13:26] | jm|laptop: | petres: please run it as root |
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| [03:14:47] | petres: | jm|laptop, http://pastebin.com/ZfE2mD7u |
| [03:15:11] | petres: | it took several seconds to run, if that matters |
| [03:15:25] | jm|laptop: | mythbacke 2038 mythtv 11u CHR 212,0 0t0 11945 /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 |
| [03:15:37] | jm|laptop: | suggests mythbackend found the device. So it actually exists :) |
| [03:15:57] | petres: | jm|laptop, well that's a start |
| [03:16:34] | jm|laptop: | sort of :) |
| [03:16:38] | petres: | I built this system last summer, and it was fine for the first few months. |
| [03:16:56] | petres: | But in the past couple of months it's become quite unreliable. |
| [03:17:26] | jm|laptop: | if you stop mythbackend and try lsdvb what happens? |
| [03:17:50] | petres: | I should add that when I try to go to the Backend Status web page, the page never comes up. |
| [03:17:58] | petres: | jm|laptop, hang on, I'll try it... |
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| [03:19:05] | petres: | lsdvb == lsof |grep dvb ? |
| [03:19:10] | jm|laptop: | no |
| [03:20:41] | petres: | lsdvb: command not found |
| [03:20:47] | jm|laptop: | oh |
| [03:20:49] | petres: | not in the path (?) |
| [03:20:52] | jm|laptop: | sudo apt-get install dvb-utils ? |
| [03:21:15] | jm|laptop: | no |
| [03:21:18] | jm|laptop: | wrong |
| [03:21:27] | jm|laptop: | sudo apt-get install dvb-apps |
| [03:22:07] | petres: | says no packages will be installed |
| [03:22:11] | jm|laptop: | tsk |
| [03:22:54] | petres: | tried searching for lsdvb using aptitude, but no joy |
| [03:23:39] | jm|laptop: | # dpkg -S /usr/bin/lsdvb |
| [03:23:39] | jm|laptop: | dvb-apps: /usr/bin/lsdvb |
| [03:24:52] | petres: | hmm, not in my repo, apparently |
| [03:24:58] | jm|laptop: | # head -c 255 /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 | hd |
| [03:25:30] | petres: | I've got a dvbscan and a dvbnet and a dvbtraffic, but no lsdvb. |
| [03:28:05] | petres: | piping dvr0 to hd just hangs there, no output |
| [03:28:14] | jm|laptop: | just a stab in the dark. I had some Hauppauges that would crash and would require a full power down before they worked again |
| [03:28:35] | petres: | Yes, that seems to be the pattern I'm seeing. |
| [03:28:48] | jm|laptop: | iirc the firmware didn't get loaded properly from a soft-reboot |
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| [03:29:23] | petres: | A wonky card would explain why it initially worked but has gotten quite stubborn lately. |
| [03:29:25] | jm|laptop: | to such an extent that I made a wrapper for reboot to say "Are you sure? You probably want to shutdown -h"# |
| [03:29:35] | petres: | Although I wonder if it's really a firmware issue. |
| [03:29:54] | petres: | heh |
| [03:29:57] | jm|laptop: | have you tried full power off and reboot and then try Live TV or something? |
| [03:30:31] | jm|laptop: | I have two DVB-T2 usb things now and they're seemingly more reliable |
| [03:30:37] | petres: | Yes, that's what I did last night. And a week ago, I did a reboot but w/o a full poweroff and that didn't fix it. |
| [03:30:52] | jm|laptop: | well, now that they're on a higher quality usb card |
| [03:30:56] | petres: | But last night's full poweroff did seem to fix it, but only temporarily. |
| [03:31:13] | jm|laptop: | petres: anything in syslog / dmesg ? |
| [03:31:17] | jm|laptop: | dmesg | grep dvb |
| [03:31:19] | petres: | Yeah, that's what I'm kinda coming to the conclusion on |
| [03:31:42] | petres: | nope, comes up empty |
| [03:32:20] | jm|laptop: | grep dvb /var/log/syslog ? |
| [03:32:41] | petres: | nada |
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| [03:32:47] | jm|laptop: | o.O |
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| [03:33:00] | jm|laptop: | I use proper Debian on my backend :) |
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| [03:33:16] | petres: | Does the USB capture device get detected dynamically, i.e., I just plug it in and then go into setup? |
| [03:33:47] | jm|laptop: | er |
| [03:34:10] | jm|laptop: | the usb device is recognised by the system and the dvb subsystem does the file system work – then mythtv-setup detects the new dvb device |
| [03:34:13] | jm|laptop: | if that's what you mean |
| [03:34:28] | petres: | Yes, that answers my question. |
| [03:34:53] | petres: | What model are you using? |
| [03:34:57] | jm|laptop: | you might want to Google the stuff about udevd for multiple cards/dongles |
| [03:35:20] | jm|laptop: | I'm in the UK. We use DVB-T(2). |
| [03:35:50] | jm|laptop: | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 2013:024f PCTV Systems nanoStick T2 290e two of these |
| [03:37:03] | jm|laptop: | well, we use DVB-T for 'freeview' style broadcasts. DVB-S(2) exists and I'm sure there's other weird broadcasts too |
| [03:39:44] | petres: | jm|laptop, isn't it the middle of the night for you? |
| [03:40:02] | jm|laptop: | Thu Feb 21 03:40:01 GMT 2013 |
| [03:40:35] | petres: | That would be a yes ;-) |
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| [03:49:09] | petres: | How does mythtv control what it records with the HD HomeRun? |
| [03:49:45] | petres: | The HR is the tuner (right?) but it just sends what it picks up to the mythtv backend box, right? |
| [03:49:59] | tgm4883: | petres, I assume it asks the HDHR to tune channel X, and saves the stream it sends back |
| [03:50:17] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [03:50:52] | petres: | tgm4883, so, one must setup some sort of means of accessing the HDHR from within myth, right? |
| [03:51:00] | wagnerrp: | 2-way control is done over tcp, with the hdhr then streaming the selected filtered multiplex to a selected IP address using UDP |
| [03:51:08] | tgm4883: | petres, yes, you set it up the same way you setup other tuners |
| [03:51:19] | wagnerrp: | petres: it's just its own custom tuner type |
| [03:51:30] | wagnerrp: | rather than adding a V4L, or MPEG, or DVB tuner, you add an HDHR tuner |
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| [03:52:08] | petres: | wagnerrp, and the hdhr can tune to multiple channels simultaneously? that is, it has multiple tuners? |
| [03:52:18] | wagnerrp: | two tuners, yes |
| [03:52:22] | tgm4883: | petres, yes |
| [03:52:30] | tgm4883: | The prime can do 3 |
| [03:52:47] | tgm4883: | although IDK if it's technically 3 tuners or what since it only uses 1 cable card |
| [03:52:53] | wagnerrp: | but the prime is for cable only, it will not work with an antenna |
| [03:53:01] | tgm4883: | true |
| [03:53:08] | tgm4883: | IDK we were talking antenna only |
| [03:53:34] | wagnerrp: | it is three tuners real tuners, and will function as any other clear QAM tuner when no cablecard is installed |
| [03:53:55] | wagnerrp: | when you have a cablecard installed, each of those three tuners can only access one channel, rather than the full multiplex |
| [03:54:30] | petres: | I only have OTA antenna, no cable |
| [03:55:36] | tgm4883: | petres, so regular HDHR is fine then |
| [03:55:49] | petres: | The myth wiki page on the hdhr mentions that it may have 2, 3, or 6 tuners. |
| [03:56:03] | wagnerrp: | there are several different versions |
| [03:56:06] | tgm4883: | petres, yes, depending on the model |
| [03:56:25] | wagnerrp: | the ones that work with antennas can have either one or two tuners |
| [03:56:38] | wagnerrp: | the ones that work with cablecards all have three tuners |
| [03:57:05] | wagnerrp: | and the claimed six-tuner version is just two three tuner versions strapped together in a rack-mountable box |
| [03:57:21] | petres: | Newegg shows the black model and says it has two tuners. That's enough for me. |
| [03:57:30] | wagnerrp: | got a link? |
| [03:57:41] | petres: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . g7Mgod7zkABw |
| [03:58:11] | petres: | "Dual Tuner for OTA channels on your computer" |
| [03:58:20] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that's likely the one you want, although i could have sworn it was only $80 a day or two ago |
| [03:58:47] | wagnerrp: | there's also the TECH versions... you don't want one of those |
| [03:59:19] | wagnerrp: | newegg doesn't appear to carry the single tuner version |
| [04:00:15] | petres: | wagnerrp, when I searched google, the ad on the side mentioned it was $79.99, but when I clicked the link, the resulting page said $89.99. |
| [04:03:16] | petres: | Okay, I did a full poweroff on the box and then restarted it, and now it seems happy. |
| [04:03:50] | petres: | I'll see how long it stays that way, but if, as I expect, it goes belly up on me again in the next day or two, I think I'm going to order the hdhr. |
| [04:04:36] | tgm4883: | petres, rebooting fixes it? I didn't read all the backlog, but did you verify the backend was only running once? |
| [04:05:02] | tgm4883: | (just a wild guess, but I've seen tuner issues with multiple backends running) |
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| [04:05:54] | petres: | tgm4883, yes, I'd already shutdown the backend manually. |
| [04:06:06] | tgm4883: | petres, mythbuntu/ubuntu? |
| [04:06:18] | petres: | Yes, 12.04/0.25 |
| [04:06:20] | tgm4883: | petres, did you verify that the backend actually stopped (via ps)? |
| [04:06:55] | petres: | tgm4883, well, the starting point was that last night after a cold reboot, it was working |
| [04:06:55] | tgm4883: | petres, there was an issue that we just fixed in the last few days where using the service command didn't always stop the backend |
| [04:07:33] | petres: | I queued one program which it recorded. Then I queued two programs, which it claimed it was recording, but it never stopped. |
| [04:07:37] | tgm4883: | petres, ok, so next time it happens just do a 'ps aux | grep myth' and see if there are multiple mythbackend processes running |
| [04:07:54] | petres: | 24 hours later, the web interface said it was still recording those two shows. |
| [04:08:02] | petres: | tgm4883, ok, I'll look for that. |
| [04:08:16] | petres: | What would cause multiple backends to get running? |
| [04:08:44] | tgm4883: | petres, basically, upstart thought mythbackend had died, so it restarted the process |
| [04:08:53] | tgm4883: | petres, because we were tracking the incorrect PID |
| [04:09:06] | petres: | ah, ok. |
| [04:09:08] | tgm4883: | so now we track the right PID |
| [04:10:29] | petres: | Then I started getting errors like this: E CoreContext dvbchannel.cpp:232 (Open) DVBChan(1:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): Failed to open DVB frontend device due to fatal error or too many attempts. |
| [04:11:28] | petres: | tgm4883, are you a myth dev? |
| [04:11:33] | tgm4883: | petres, hmm, yea I don't know if that is the issue then, but it's worth a check |
| [04:11:37] | tgm4883: | petres, Mythbuntu de |
| [04:11:38] | tgm4883: | dev |
| [04:12:21] | petres: | well, thanks for all your work. My wife *really* likes our myth box, such that she really misses it when it misbehaves like this. |
| [04:12:23] | wagnerrp: | meaning he usually doesn't work on mythtv directly, but works on the suite of utilities that comes with the ubuntu mythtv packages, and mythbuntu distribution |
| [04:13:24] | petres: | BTW, FWIW, I've also noticed the the upnp has seemed to stop working lately, too. |
| [04:13:48] | wagnerrp: | what IP address do you have mythtv configured to listen on? |
| [04:13:53] | petres: | I finally gave up on it and just shared out the recordings via smb. |
| [04:14:45] | petres: | 172.26.18.something or other. That's the subnet I use in my house. |
| [04:14:58] | petres: | It's not the loopback address. |
| [04:15:15] | petres: | Like I said, it was working fine until just a few weeks ago. |
| [04:15:55] | petres: | But I haven't tried to have my frontend (Popcorn Hour box) find it via upnp for the past week or so now. |
| [04:16:04] | wagnerrp: | what version are you running? |
| [04:16:21] | petres: | 0.25, I believe. |
| [04:16:44] | wagnerrp: | hmm... that likely wouldn't have gotten any mythtv updates |
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| [04:19:08] | petres: | well, time for bed. Thanks for the help, everyone. G'night. |
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| [05:39:57] | kmentat: | Does anyone have any experience with FreeBSD? I'm having some trouble with Myth IDing my card. |
| [05:41:15] | wagnerrp: | IDing? |
| [05:41:36] | kmentat: | Setup has found the card, and it's pinging it, but it's simply saying "frontend id could not get card info" |
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| [05:42:05] | wagnerrp: | pinging... meaning it is network attached? |
| [05:42:09] | kmentat: | No, USB. |
| [05:42:15] | kmentat: | WinTV HVR-950Q |
| [05:42:31] | wagnerrp: | freebsd really doesn't have much in the way of video capture drivers |
| [05:42:42] | wagnerrp: | and i think there are only a couple mythtv users with any webcamd experience |
| [05:43:52] | kmentat: | Yeah, that's what I was kind of worried about. I know that webcamd is basically an implementation of V4L in BSD (or something along those lines) |
| [05:44:03] | kmentat: | but I don't know what exactly it's doing, since it's userspace. |
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| [05:44:16] | kmentat: | I'm not even sure it's loading the firmware for my tuner. |
| [05:44:25] | wagnerrp: | webcamd is an interpreter layer for the linux drivers to operate in |
| [05:44:34] | wagnerrp: | it's not unlike running a windows application through WINE |
| [05:44:45] | kmentat: | Makes sense. |
| [05:44:59] | kmentat: | Here's the crazy thing. |
| [05:45:35] | kmentat: | If I push on, undaunted, I can run a channel scan, but it won't pull a strong enough signal for an Id. |
| [05:45:59] | kmentat: | I know the card works, and the antenna is pointed in the right direction, because I'm getting strong signals on my Mac, but MythTV... |
| [05:47:19] | wagnerrp: | i want to blame something finicky going on with webcamd |
| [05:47:41] | wagnerrp: | perhaps theres some variable gain amp built into the tuner that is not being handled properly through webcamd |
| [05:47:54] | kmentat: | I'm thinking it's webcamd too. |
| [05:48:18] | wagnerrp: | the linuxtv developer in question is actually here, but i doubt he has much if any experience dealing with that sort of thing |
| [05:49:07] | kmentat: | It's taking FOREVER for the card to talk to the computer whenever I try and open it up. |
| [05:49:44] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i would recommend you either run linux, or get something like a hdhomerun |
| [05:49:46] | kmentat: | I mean, everything else is running fine, so I'm pretty sure my Myth build is totally stable. |
| [05:50:55] | kmentat: | Yeah, I got into BSD for ZFS, but I might have to give that up. |
| [05:51:03] | kmentat: | Though I am really starting to like ports |
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| [10:11:37] | Lomion_0815: | When I shutdown my backend I usally get a lot of "Can't connect to local MySQL server " error logs. Can I get the mythbackend to gracefully disconnect from the database? |
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| [10:35:52] | farmerjohn: | Just installed mythbuntu 12.04.2 on 2 machines – 1 a master backend/frontend, the other a frontend. The master backend/frontend is working fine – can watch tv, record etc. However, the remote frontend cannot connect to the backend. It can't be a MySQL permissions problem, because I can login to mysql from the frontend using the command line (mysql -u mythtv -h 192.168.1.102 -p). Not sure what to try next. Wh |
| [10:35:52] | farmerjohn: | at are the important config files on the frontend and where are they kept? |
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| [10:51:38] | farmerjohn: | Looking at the logs on my frontend, I have noticed that the frontend is trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 (ie. itself) rather than my backend (ip 192.168.1.102). However, in the mythfrontend setup screen I have put my backend's IP but, for some reason, it is ignoring me and trying to connect to the loopback 127.0.0.1 anyway. |
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| [10:54:33] | farmerjohn: | I am happy to configure this by using my texteditor to alter the necessary config files, but I'm not sure which file/s I need to edit as all the info I am finding on the net seems to relate to GUI based setup.. |
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| [11:07:46] | farmerjohn: | In my ~/.mythtv/config.xml file DBHostName is correct (192.168.1.102), but still my frontend keeps trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 – can't understand why. |
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| [11:13:09] | farmerjohn: | ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt (which is symlinked to /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt) also has the correct DBHostName (192.168.1.102) |
| [11:14:05] | farmerjohn: | So when I launch mythfrontend, why does it always try to connect to 127.0.0.1? |
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| [11:27:01] | clever: | farmerjohn: is it trying to connect to localhost for the backend or mysql? |
| [11:28:30] | farmerjohn: | clever: MythCoreContext: Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 1) |
| [11:30:08] | clever: | farmerjohn: that means it connected to the mysql server, and looked up the backend ip within the mysql db |
| [11:30:23] | clever: | so the one in the mysql.txt file has already been correctly used |
| [11:32:07] | farmerjohn: | okay, so on my backend I need to change backend ip from 127.0.0.1 to 192.168.1.102? |
| [11:32:52] | clever: | you need to correctly set the master backend ip in mythtv-setup |
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| [11:36:58] | farmerjohn: | clever: thank you... you were spot on. The problem was not the way the frontend was configured but the way the backend was configured. Working now. Thank you again. |
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| [11:38:47] | farmerjohn: | clever: I thought because the frontend was working on the master backend/frontend that the problem must have been the way the external frontend was configured. |
| [11:40:07] | clever: | within mythtv-setup, 'backend ip' is the ip for the local backend, and 'master backend ip' is the central one |
| [11:40:25] | clever: | and those 2 options must match on the backend server itself |
| [11:40:28] | clever: | master* |
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| [20:01:20] | eee-blt: | hi |
| [20:02:20] | eee-blt: | i have a question about a tv card (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . card%20800i) |
| [20:03:01] | eee-blt: | as noted in the comments section of the above page, the maker switched chips and the new chip isn't supported in older kernels |
| [20:03:44] | eee-blt: | does anyone know if the situation has changed, i.e. is there support in newer kernels? |
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| [20:06:09] | lukeer: | Hi folks, due to a suspected southbridge malfunction, I |
| [20:06:27] | lukeer: | 'm back to setting up MythBuntu |
| [20:08:30] | wagnerrp: | eee-blt: you currently have one of these devices? |
| [20:08:43] | lukeer: | My current problem is wakealarm. I can write to it and check /proc/driver/rtc for the correct (UTC) wakeup time. |
| [20:10:08] | lukeer: | During a reboot, I enter BIOS to see that the information for APCI is unaffected by the wakealarm setting. |
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| [20:10:59] | Steve-Goodey: | eee-blt: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-281161.html towards the bottom of the post, any good? |
| [20:11:00] | lukeer: | The replacement for said malfunctioning board is an Asrock 4Core Dual VSTA. |
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| [20:13:23] | sphery: | /q MythLogBot |
| [20:14:13] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [20:14:13] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [20:14:19] | sphery: | eee-blt: ^^^ , FWIW |
| [20:14:27] | sphery: | that's where you'll find the most up-to-date info |
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| [21:28:50] | eee-blt: | wagnerrp: yes, i bought one without taking sufficient heed of the message |
| [21:29:41] | eee-blt: | Steve-Goodey: well, i have read the post and he has a patch at the bottom of the post but since that is over half a year ago |
| [21:30:05] | eee-blt: | i had hoped that the patch had made it into the appropriate code base |
| [21:31:16] | eee-blt: | sphery: thanks for the pointer, i bought the device after reading that page and seeing it was supported |
| [21:32:55] | eee-blt: | i guess, if i am to read between the lines, that the fact the page and experience are not in sync means the patch is not in the code base |
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