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| [00:47:18] | test__: | hmm, is there anyway to record tv with myth without program guides? |
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| [00:51:15] | Hilikus: | is there any way to increase priority to HD programs? and/or to a range of channels without going one by one? my provider has all HDs > 600 |
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| [01:11:32] | sphery: | Hilikus: how many inputs and video sources do you have? |
| [01:11:41] | Hilikus: | 1 |
| [01:12:05] | sphery: | and are the non-HDTV channels just duplicates of HDTV ones? |
| [01:12:11] | Hilikus: | yes |
| [01:12:15] | sphery: | if so, why not just remove the non-HDTV ones from your config |
| [01:12:24] | sphery: | and/or make them not visible |
| [01:12:48] | sphery: | if you don't want to use them, they shouldn't be there or should at least be hidden |
| [01:13:43] | Hilikus: | mmm hadn't thought of that. maybe i'll try that. except i just tested hd channels for the first time and i get an "error opening jump program file" with live tv and a recording that when i play it crashed the frontend if a schedule the recording |
| [01:13:55] | sphery: | FWIW, you can set them as not visible or delete them all at once using MythWeb's channel editor |
| [01:14:42] | Hilikus: | thanks for the hint sphery |
| [01:15:18] | sphery: | there are definitely known issues with Live TV, right now |
| [01:15:34] | Hilikus: | weird thing is it works fine with SD |
| [01:15:45] | sphery: | however, playback of recorded TV should work--assuming you have your system properly configured (mythtv and the underlying system) |
| [01:16:29] | Hilikus: | well, everything works fine. i just upgraded my pvr150 to an hdpvr and SD recording works fine, but there's something wrong with HD. i will take a look, maybe its just a misconfiguration |
| [01:16:40] | Hilikus: | everything else* |
| [01:17:13] | sphery: | with HD-PVR, you need to have a long-enough sleep in your channel change script to allow it to stabilize after the STB changes channel |
| [01:17:17] | sphery: | or else playback won't work |
| [01:17:25] | Hilikus: | so HD live is known to not work? |
| [01:17:35] | sphery: | and because of the sleep, you'll need to increase the tuning timeout in mythtv-setup |
| [01:17:45] | sphery: | something like 10s isn't unreasonable |
| [01:17:50] | sphery: | for tuning timeout |
| [01:18:00] | sphery: | and like a 4s sleep after channel change or something |
| [01:18:01] | Hilikus: | a sleep in the cjannel change?? |
| [01:18:05] | jpabq: | Hilikus: what version of myth are you running? |
| [01:18:05] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:18:15] | sphery: | and here's the HD-PVR expert ^^^ |
| [01:18:57] | Hilikus: | ok, i'll try that. right now it takes a while and i get to see a lock of 100% but then the error. this is on live tv. on normal recording it just created a video with a blue screen and it crashed the frontend |
| [01:19:14] | Hilikus: | jpabq :0.25.2+fixes.20120802.46cab93–0ubuntu1.12.10 |
| [01:20:19] | jpabq: | Hilikus: the HD-PVR works well (in general) for recording. If you really want to use it for LiveTV, you probably should be running either 0.24 or latest master (the pre 0.27 version). |
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| [01:22:55] | Hilikus: | i thought hdpvr was the only supported card. does this mean that nobody of all the users of mythtv use the latest version available in ubuntu to watch live tv?? or is there another card that's better supported for hd? |
| [01:23:25] | Hilikus: | supported HD* card |
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| [01:24:09] | jpabq: | Not many myth users care about LiveTV. I am not saying no one cares, but it is not how Myth is generally used. stichnot has worked on improving LiveTV lately, and that is why the latest master version is working better. |
| [01:24:39] | sphery: | HD-PVR is the only HDTV encoder card that works using V4L2 (and, therefore, that works with MythTV) |
| [01:24:39] | Hilikus: | i understand. i only really use live tv to watch hockey |
| [01:24:46] | sphery: | but most people use digital capture |
| [01:24:50] | jpabq: | Surely, ubuntu has 0.26 available? |
| [01:25:04] | sphery: | either ATSC, ClearQAM, or CableCARD |
| [01:25:11] | sphery: | though CableCARD only works with some providers |
| [01:25:34] | Hilikus: | sphery: those are for OTA hd, right? |
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| [01:25:55] | jpabq: | CableCard works with a small set of cable companies. |
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| [01:26:21] | sphery: | CableCARD-based (using SiliconDust HDHomeRun Prime or Ceton InfiniTV 4) is for cable companies that provide cable with the "copy freely" flag |
| [01:26:22] | jpabq: | In other words, Comcast generally works but Time Warner never does. |
| [01:26:25] | sphery: | right |
| [01:26:48] | sphery: | and other, smaller providers are hit or miss |
| [01:27:01] | Hilikus: | i see |
| [01:27:23] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable has some good info |
| [01:27:28] | Hilikus: | i thought for STBs, the hdpvr was my only choice |
| [01:28:05] | sphery: | ClearQAM is digital from cable companies that don't encrypt (and, generally, only gives you a few channels--usually only those that are available OTA--or none at all) |
| [01:28:17] | jpabq: | Hilikus: I use Directv. My personal experience with the HD-PVR is that it works very well. However, the only time I ever fire up LiveTV is to test how it is working. With latest master it is working better than it has in a long time, but I still get the occasional error. |
| [01:28:27] | sphery: | yeah, for STB, the HD-PVR is the only choince |
| [01:28:38] | sphery: | however, CableCARD is used instead of an STB |
| [01:29:03] | sphery: | and an HDHR Prime gives you 3 tuners and InfiniTV gives you 4 using one CableCARD |
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| [01:29:17] | sphery: | generally, cablecard rental is cheaper than a single STB rental, too |
| [01:29:24] | sphery: | but, again, only works with some providers |
| [01:29:29] | sphery: | which cable company do you have |
| [01:29:58] | Hilikus: | its a quebec provider |
| [01:30:00] | Hilikus: | videotron |
| [01:30:16] | sphery: | ah, don't think cablecard is used in Canada |
| [01:30:57] | sphery: | so HD-PVR might be your only choice for HDTV |
| [01:31:32] | jpabq: | Hilikus: yeah, for Canada the HD-PVR is your only option. It really does work well (for me), but I *record* everything — even sports. I typically start watching a sporting event about an hour after it starts, and then I can skip the commercials and usually catch up with live just about the time the event is getting over. |
| [01:31:47] | sphery: | +1 on record everything |
| [01:32:08] | sphery: | my manifesto on why: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302 |
| [01:32:24] | Hilikus: | problem is i have only 1 tuner, so i can't record a game that's 3 hours cause it will conflict with other primetime shows :( |
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| [01:32:42] | sphery: | there's always the start early/end late options |
| [01:32:43] | jpabq: | Yeah, that is a bummer. |
| [01:32:53] | sphery: | but, yeah, it requires more manual work |
| [01:33:19] | Hilikus: | is there any way to say, record as long as there are no conflict? and then end up with a recording with "holes" in it |
| [01:33:50] | sphery: | no... you'd have to schedule, see the conflict, then fix it with start early/end late |
| [01:34:07] | Hilikus: | ah ok, that's what you were talking about |
| [01:34:10] | sphery: | (or identify and fix the conflict first by preemptively using start early/end late) |
| [01:34:18] | sphery: | yeah, definitely not ideal |
| [01:34:54] | sphery: | my normal solution for your situation would be "get more tuners so you can record what you want", but that gets much more expensive for a cable TV user who has to use STBs + HD-PVR |
| [01:34:59] | sphery: | :( |
| [01:35:26] | neufeld: | Hilikus: Is OTA possible? If you're in Montreal, I think the coverage is pretty good for the Canadian networks. |
| [01:35:28] | sphery: | so, unfortunately, your cable company is putting you in the position where you either spend more money to save some time, or spend more time to save some money |
| [01:35:35] | Hilikus: | that's it. the worse is that i already have my pvr150 and an old sd STB, but i would need to pay extra for the extra STB |
| [01:35:43] | sphery: | right |
| [01:35:58] | sphery: | and it's an ongoing charge, so it adds up quickly |
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| [01:36:03] | jpabq: | Hilikus: Does your guide data include information as to the show type? In other words, does your guide data have "Sports Event" as part of the information? If so, under Setup -> Video -> General (page 4) you can configure "Category record over-time". I have "Sports Event" configured for 120 minutes. What that does is soft-pad the end of sporting events. If it needs to record another show, then the other show will pre-empt that softpad. |
| [01:37:15] | Hilikus: | jpabq but that's extra time, isn't it? the 3 hours of the scheduled slot are not preempted |
| [01:37:24] | neufeld: | Hilikus: here in Ottawa, I get CTV, CTV-2, CBC and TVO off the air with a HDHomerun3, which can record up to two channels. My single HD-PVR with the time-shift channels we get on Rogers picks up the difference, even now at the height of curling season, with 4-hour recordings in prime time every night. |
| [01:37:29] | jpabq: | sphery: yes I know that feature is a hack, and you want to get rid of it, but it does come in handy occasionally. |
| [01:37:42] | sphery: | I want it reimplemented properly |
| [01:37:58] | jpabq: | Hilikus: correct. You would have to manually cut the sporting events down. |
| [01:38:10] | sphery: | i.e. not based on some guide-data-provided, not-configurable-by-the-user single value |
| [01:38:49] | sphery: | that said, I can't really complain--I haven't made time to do anything for mythtv for about a year, now |
| [01:38:52] | sphery: | stupid work |
| [01:38:59] | jpabq: | sphery: It could be done a LOT cleaner, if we knew what to key off of, that worked world-wide. If we could count on "category type" always being "Sports Event", then we could just get rid of the setting... |
| [01:39:19] | sphery: | yeah, I'd like it to be some kind of recording filter |
| [01:39:33] | sphery: | where it can be applied or not applied on any rule |
| [01:39:43] | jpabq: | Actually, that is a great idea |
| [01:39:44] | sphery: | and, possibly, using various criteria |
| [01:40:05] | Hilikus: | neufeld: i would need to do some stats to see if most of my shows could be recorded OTA |
| [01:40:17] | sphery: | it's just always rubbed me wrong that it uses a value that the user has no control over to determine when to apply and when not to |
| [01:40:44] | neufeld: | Hilikus: have you checked tvfool for your coverage information? |
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| [01:40:56] | Hilikus: | neufeld: no, what's that |
| [01:41:24] | sphery: | Hilikus: since the cost of an OTA implementation is relatively small--and has no recurring costs, other than electricity for tuner cards--you could just set it up and let it take over some of the duties |
| [01:41:37] | sphery: | and if it's enough, then might want to cut the cable |
| [01:41:43] | neufeld: | Hilikus: here's my tvfool report. You can make one too. http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper& . . . 00a02126fd64 |
| [01:42:00] | sphery: | (I'm OTA only and loving it--and even the cable-only TV shows I want to see cost me a pittance to buy compared to a cable subscription) |
| [01:42:07] | Hilikus: | sphery: that's not a bad idea |
| [01:42:44] | Hilikus: | so you guys have HD antennas i imagine? |
| [01:42:53] | neufeld: | Hilikus: you can see in the table that I can easily bring in everything down to CityTV from the local repeater, with an antenna mounted inside my house. No USA stations from here, unless I put something on the roof, but that's not allowed in my condominium. |
| [01:43:06] | jpabq: | gigem: how hard would it be to add a *softpad* to recording rules? Or maybe a filter, that says the padding should be soft instead of hard? I would use a 2hr post-roll softpad for my sports template, if that was available. That would help on the occasional event that runs long, but is not important enough to preempt other shows. |
| [01:43:44] | neufeld: | Hilikus: there isn't really such a thing as an "HD" antenna. It's an antenna. I actually have two, a UHF and a VHF, because Global's on channel 6 (the very worst possible place to put a TV channel). I combine them with a UVSJ. |
| [01:44:44] | Hilikus: | i've heard a bunch of guys at work get us hd channels OTA |
| [01:44:50] | jpabq: | gigem: the "filters" mechanism you came up with sure opens up a lot of possibilities... |
| [01:45:00] | Hilikus: | but i live in an apartment, |
| [01:45:09] | sphery: | generally if a manufacturer claims it's an HDTV antenna, it's their way of making a UHF-only antenna sound like a good thing |
| [01:45:33] | sphery: | (i.e. most HDTV channels are in UHF, but some markets have one or 2 VHF frequencies for HDTV, still--including mine) |
| [01:46:02] | Hilikus: | ok, so for these UHF antennas what kind of tuner would i use? |
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| [01:46:42] | sphery: | you should check to see if you have any VHF channels--and if so, make sure you get a VHF + UHF antenna (they're usually much larger than UHF only) |
| [01:46:56] | neufeld: | Hilikus: if you're in an apartment then it'll depend on the direction you're facing. Your tvfool report will show you the direction of the local transmitters and the channels that they supply. Those that are in your line of sight should be easily reached. Those on the back side of the building will depend on the construction, obstructions, etc. |
| [01:46:59] | sphery: | if you don't have any VHF channels that you want in your area, you can get UHF only |
| [01:47:16] | jpabq: | I have two VHF channels where. What is sad, is before the "cut over" ALL of my HD was UHF. Once NTSC went away, two of the channels moved their HD to VHF, so I had to go buy a new antenna :( |
| [01:47:36] | jpabq: | s/where/here/ |
| [01:47:37] | sphery: | hehe, that's annoying |
| [01:47:48] | neufeld: | Hilikus: you'd test your antenna and tuning with a television set, any new one can read OTA digital transmissions. If you can receive the channels, then you can invest in an HDHomerun3. |
| [01:48:10] | sphery: | we had VHF and UHF during the transition and after, so it was easy for me to figure out what I needed |
| [01:49:38] | sphery: | jpabq: btw, my HLR-6768W is still going strong... I had to replace the color wheel--but it was easy enough that I did it myself. Now, I /should/ get a new bulb for it, but have been trying to decide whether to get a new ballast at the same time (I've heard that a new bulb with an old ballast can significantly shorten the new bulb life). |
| [01:50:34] | sphery: | I'm thinking I may just keep using this bulb until I can't (I already had to crank up the brightness to get rid of red spots in black areas) |
| [01:51:05] | jpabq: | I sold mine two years ago, and go one of the new LED based DLPs. The LEDs are supposed to last 15 years. By then I will probably have an OLED ;-) |
| [01:52:10] | sphery: | nice |
| [01:52:22] | sphery: | or maybe they'll have FED out by then! |
| [01:52:28] | ** sphery is a dreamer ** | |
| [01:52:38] | Hilikus: | how can i know if a signal is UHF or VHF in tvfool? |
| [01:52:43] | Hilikus: | http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper& . . . da7ae187f574 |
| [01:52:54] | jpabq: | Ha! I am just hoping that 4K OLED will be down to $2000 by the time I want a new TV. |
| [01:53:03] | sphery: | VHF is frequency ID 13 or less |
| [01:54:05] | neufeld: | Hilikus: that is "real channel" is 13 or less. Virtual channel could be anything. |
| [01:54:18] | jpabq: | Hilikus: look at the "real" channel number. VHF <= 13, UHF >= 14. |
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| [01:55:12] | neufeld: | Hilikus: your report looks good, particularly if you've got a north-east or south-east view. |
| [01:55:25] | sphery: | Hilikus: don't you remember the VHF dial on the TV with channels 2–13 and the UHF with 14+ |
| [01:55:37] | sphery: | oh, wait, maybe I'm the only one to remember TVs like that |
| [01:55:50] | Hilikus: | lol, i remember but i was too young |
| [01:55:52] | sphery: | back in my day... |
| [01:56:05] | neufeld: | sphery: I remember that, and the set was black & white |
| [01:56:07] | jpabq: | Heh, I used to have a TV with a 'sonic' remote control — it used sound waves instead of infrared! |
| [01:56:13] | sphery: | neufeld: hehe, yeah |
| [01:56:23] | sphery: | jpabq: wow, that's impressive |
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| [01:57:17] | neufeld: | Hilikus: you've got a good tvfool report there, if you're not on the wrong side of the building you'll pick up a lot. If you're facing West, then attach an antenna to a TV and see what you can get. |
| [01:57:19] | sphery: | jpabq: did you ever learn to "speak" remote so you could control it by whistling ;) |
| [01:57:35] | jpabq: | Ha HA HA HA |
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| [01:59:19] | neufeld: | As soon as the kids moved out of the house, my parents subscribed to cable and bought colour televisions. While I was in undergrad, I was there in the basement in Montreal, with a piece of wire running from the set through the overhead pipes as an antenna, trying to watch Star Trek in black & white, broadcast from Vermont. |
| [02:00:44] | Hilikus: | neufeld: where did you go to school? |
| [02:01:02] | neufeld: | Hilikus: McGill for undergrad, UofT for grad |
| [02:01:12] | Hilikus: | great! |
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| [02:04:13] | Hilikus: | Feb 18 21:02:04 hilikus mythbackend[16501]: E DeviceReadBuffer DeviceReadBuffer.cpp:513 (Poll) DevRdB(/dev/video1): Poll giving up 2 |
| [02:04:15] | Hilikus: | Feb 18 21:02:04 hilikus mythbackend[16501]: E RecThread mpegrecorder.cpp:1010 (run) MPEGRec(/dev/video1): Device error detected |
| [02:05:18] | Hilikus: | ok, but it did work. i think it might be a timeout issue as sphery mentioned |
| [02:06:09] | ** awalls remembers TV sets with more than one vacuum tube in them ** | |
| [02:07:06] | awalls: | Card board backs with a hole pattern drilled in them. The smell of burning dust when they turned on... |
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| [02:13:39] | Hilikus: | sphery: how does a sleep in the change channel script have an effect on the actual recording?? is it just a workaround to delay the processing? |
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| [03:33:16] | monkeypet69: | if comcast shifts frequency, will mythtv adjust accordingly? Using HDHR prime |
| [03:33:23] | monkeypet69: | seeing some channels won't tune. |
| [03:37:50] | monkeypet69: | HDHRSH(1313E021–2): UpdateFilters called in wrong tune mode |
| [03:38:12] | monkeypet69: | DeviceSet(vchannel 762): ERROR: invalid virtual channel |
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| [04:07:49] | jpabq: | Hilikus: the HD-PVR does not deal with garbage well. If your STB is not finished tuning to the new channel, it is likely sending out garbage. Adding a sleep gives the process extra time so the HD-PVR sees stable data from the STB. The latest version of myth does a better job of detecting if the HD-PVR is seeing garbage, before telling it to record, but even so I still have a 2 second sleep at the end of my channel change script. |
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| [04:14:32] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: basically, mythtv does not even attempt to start capturing off the device until the channel change script has exited successfully |
| [04:15:55] | Korny2: | Evening all |
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| [04:29:04] | wagnerrp: | monkeypet69: the HDHomeRun itself should get an updated virtual channel mapping from comcast |
| [04:29:13] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will not do anything, and should not need to do anything |
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| [15:00:21] | lroe: | tgm4883, think anyone here knows about hdhomerun? |
| [15:00:45] | tgm4883: | lroe, probably best in the other channel, but it's onliy 7am pst so might need to wait a bit |
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| [15:15:13] | toeb: | tgm4883: you are wrong, it is 4pm ;-) |
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| [15:26:33] | Jordack: | so im loking to update my myth box. Any reason to choose CentOS over Fedora? (Would perfer not to compile my own apps)? |
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| [16:33:57] | wagnerrp: | jordack: the trouble with centos is that your dependency versions are static for several years at a time |
| [16:34:23] | wagnerrp: | while mythtv is dynamic, and slowly bumps its requirements with each successive version |
| [16:34:43] | wagnerrp: | if you're content with sticking with one version of mythtv for several years, you shouldn't have any problems |
| [16:35:16] | Jordack: | that what i was thinking. CentOS works great at for for those same reasons. wasnt to sure if I should risk it at home. Ill grab the lastest Fedora Iso. thanks |
| [16:35:28] | AndyCap: | Jordack: thinking about it, but I should have done it when C6 was fresh and new, |
| [16:35:39] | AndyCap: | Jordack: or maybe I'll wait until el7. |
| [16:37:47] | Jordack: | im running fc15 or 16 and it so messed up. not sure what i did, myth works greate but I cant even lauch the gui anymore. so figure time to backup, wipe and reinstall. I have my partitions setup so reinstalling doesnt suck as much as it sounds. |
| [16:41:04] | AndyCap: | Jordack: if you're already ok with gnome 3 and things, why not, but upgrades come along much more often |
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| [18:39:16] | DouglasK: | I'm looking for a known stable USB ATSC / OTA tv adapter. Some that are listed as supported aren't stable. Has anyone here had good results with one? If so, what make/model, and usb ID if possible. |
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| [18:42:29] | wagnerrp: | why USB? |
| [18:44:06] | DouglasK: | Zotac Zbox, not room internally to add one. |
| [18:44:20] | wagnerrp: | why not a network tuner like an HDHR? |
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| [18:46:33] | DouglasK: | That's possible too. |
| [18:47:06] | DouglasK: | They're a bit on the pricey side. |
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| [18:47:42] | wagnerrp: | $80, comparable to most other ATSC tuners |
| [18:48:07] | ** wagnerrp has an aversion to USB devices ** | |
| [18:48:09] | DouglasK: | Huh. I checked Amazon.ca, they wanted $123. Definitely time to shop around. |
| [18:48:26] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815345007 |
| [18:48:30] | wagnerrp: | US dollars, not canadian |
| [18:48:55] | DouglasK: | Newegg.ca has it for 85. |
| [18:48:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [18:49:13] | DouglasK: | same model as amazon had for 123. |
| [18:49:29] | wagnerrp: | $40-$50/tuner is fairly common for ATSC tuners |
| [18:50:38] | ** DouglasK nods. The Hauppauge WinTV DVR 850 is "supported" but if you look at the kernel mailing lists, it's unstable. ** | |
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| [19:11:24] | ** Korny loves his HDHR's ** | |
| [19:11:38] | Korny: | Haven't done a thing to em in over a year |
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| [19:32:17] | DouglasK: | Stability is a bonus for sure. |
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| [19:49:54] | quinten: | i'm trying a new setup of mythweb. i got the directories configured in mythweb.conf, i think, as well as permissions, but it's not showing me the correct interface. just two broken image icons |
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| [19:56:11] | quinten: | in error_log I am seeing the below error message: function '0' not found or invalid function name in Unknown on line 0 |
| [19:56:47] | sphery: | chances are you need to upgrade to current 0.26-fixes because you're using a new version of PHP not supported by your version of MythTV |
| [19:57:42] | sphery: | i.e. 0.25 and below--and, IIRC, 0.26 release--don't support PHP 5.4 |
| [19:57:56] | sphery: | so you need post-release 0.26-fixes |
| [19:57:58] | quinten: | ah |
| [20:00:00] | quinten: | unfortunately it doesn't seem to be in my package manager (archlinux-arm) |
| [20:00:59] | sphery: | how about PHP 5.3? |
| [20:01:07] | sphery: | (or below) |
| [20:02:51] | quinten: | no, it looks like 5.4.11 is the only version |
| [20:03:14] | sphery: | then you can manually patch MythWeb |
| [20:03:20] | sphery: | at least it doesn't require recompiling |
| [20:03:39] | quinten: | oh, that does sound better :) since mythtv is running on a NAS system, recompiling takes a little while |
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| [20:03:50] | sphery: | code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10504 + http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11277 |
| [20:04:19] | sphery: | note that #11227 isn't accepted, yet, so you may or may not want to apply it |
| [20:04:19] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11227 ** | |
| [20:04:28] | sphery: | #10504 for the full link |
| [20:04:28] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10504 ** | |
| [20:04:41] | sphery: | (copied before firefox loaded the page) |
| [20:05:08] | quinten: | i did find the second trac reference, not the first. so the first one is necessary to get it to work, the first just to make the errors hidden? |
| [20:05:21] | wagnerrp: | my backend runs on a NAS, but it usually only takes a couple minutes to recompile |
| [20:05:22] | quinten: | sorry, the second to hide the error messages? |
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| [20:08:14] | sphery: | I haven't looked into it (else we'd have accepted--or fixed--the patch), but it seems that the first wasn't enough |
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| [20:08:26] | sphery: | if all the 2nd does is hide messages, it's a broken patch |
| [20:08:45] | sphery: | it needs to actually fix the issue, so I'm assuming that's what the patch would do |
| [20:09:53] | Korny: | wagnerrp, still having an issue with recordings showing up in mythweb that say they are actively recording from 1–3 days ago, only way to clear em is to restart mythtv backend |
| [20:10:24] | Korny: | I don't notice it on the front ends at all how ever, I do see it when playing with xmbc's mythtv plugin |
| [20:10:48] | sphery: | yes, mythweb (and, apparently, xbmc's mythtv plugin) has broken code that doesn't know what's recording and what's not |
| [20:10:59] | sphery: | I haven't yet tracked it down and fixed it |
| [20:11:05] | sphery: | but it's just a display issue |
| [20:11:07] | Korny: | Its not important |
| [20:11:20] | sphery: | and it only seems to affect users with unstable systems |
| [20:11:22] | Korny: | sphery, the newer mythtv plugin for frodo |
| [20:11:34] | Korny: | Unstable? |
| [20:11:51] | wagnerrp: | systems that don't reliably record things |
| [20:11:53] | Korny: | Could heavy mysql accessing cause it |
| [20:11:59] | Korny: | oh I never have issues wtih recordings |
| [20:12:01] | Korny: | NEVER |
| [20:12:07] | Korny: | but I'm running only hdhr's |
| [20:12:09] | wagnerrp: | no, it triggers when a recording fails to occur |
| [20:12:10] | Korny: | and a prime |
| [20:12:13] | sphery: | including unstable computers (that crash), unstable builds (that crash), or unstable capture cards (that give garbage or nothing), and Live TV users (because Live TV "crashes" a lot) |
| [20:12:27] | Korny: | The only crashes I ever see are mythflag |
| [20:12:35] | Korny: | I wonder though if those 2 are related |
| [20:12:40] | sphery: | do you use live tv? |
| [20:12:50] | wagnerrp: | i usually got them when my channel table was invalid, and i tried to record something on a bad channel |
| [20:12:53] | Korny: | I do, but it never crashes the frontend |
| [20:13:04] | sphery: | right, but it "crashes" the recording |
| [20:13:10] | Korny: | And the recordings seem to play fine |
| [20:13:23] | Korny: | I get a yellow on once a while |
| [20:13:27] | sphery: | i.e. recording fails and it goes back to the menu or whatever |
| [20:13:35] | Korny: | but I haven't had an unplayable recording in 6+ months |
| [20:14:04] | sphery: | and, in theory, I'd guess that simply starting a new recording (or Live TV) on the affected input(s) would "reset" things properly (assuming the new recordings don't fail) |
| [20:14:15] | sphery: | where "inputs" is required for multirec users |
| [20:14:37] | sphery: | i.e. if you have 3 virtual tuners on the card, you may have to start up to 3 recordings on that card to reset it |
| [20:14:44] | sphery: | that's just a guess--again, I haven't explored it |
| [20:15:08] | sphery: | but if it's anything like what I expect, a successful recording on the input would make MythWeb figure it out |
| [20:15:18] | sphery: | i.e. would "fix" the bad info |
| [20:15:42] | Korny: | Like right now I have 2 stuck |
| [20:15:50] | Korny: | both from input 1 on one of my cable cards |
| [20:15:55] | Korny: | but the recordings turned out just fine |
| [20:16:59] | Korny: | input 1 on an hdhr1 Bones and Family guy, and mythflag completed fine on both as well |
| [20:18:31] | wagnerrp: | i had to give up on bones |
| [20:18:36] | wagnerrp: | the "tech" was just too absurd |
| [20:18:43] | Korny: | lol |
| [20:18:48] | Korny: | I just like it cause she's hot |
| [20:18:48] | sphery: | hehe |
| [20:19:03] | sphery: | I haven't watched this season, yet, but am caught up to end of last |
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| [20:19:33] | sphery: | actually, I'm getting way behind on TV, lately |
| [20:19:40] | sphery: | (just like I'm way behind on MythTV work) |
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| [20:21:17] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I'm surprised it took that long |
| [20:21:29] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, I gave up on bones a long long time ago |
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| [20:22:13] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, IIRC, because the main character could just do anything she wanted (martial arts expert, weapons expert, computer expert/hacker, etc) |
| [20:22:28] | Korny: | But she's hot1 |
| [20:22:38] | Korny: | She's like Magee on NCIS :P |
| [20:23:12] | tgm4883: | Korny, I suppose you are right. If only we had some way to see hot people without having to watch crappy shows |
| [20:23:21] | sphery: | wait, McGee is hot like Emily Deschanel? |
| [20:23:34] | Korny: | tgm4883, its called porn... |
| [20:23:36] | Korny: | oh wait |
| [20:23:40] | wagnerrp: | the difference is that ncis carries itself with a bit of humor |
| [20:23:45] | wagnerrp: | it doesn't try to take itself too seriously |
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| [20:24:01] | tgm4883: | sphery, meh, I prefer zooey to emily |
| [20:24:07] | sphery: | +1 |
| [20:24:08] | Korny: | Are they releated? |
| [20:24:12] | sphery: | sisters |
| [20:24:18] | wagnerrp: | can't you see it in their faces? |
| [20:24:25] | Korny: | ohhhh I loved zooey in Hitchhikers guide |
| [20:24:28] | wagnerrp: | they look very similar |
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| [20:39:58] | Korny: | I know you will all think of me as an irresponsible linux administrator, but enabling auto upating on my front ends has basically made them into mindless boxes |
| [20:46:19] | makoto: | i'd be all for auto-updating if i could control what updates are allowed via a central server |
| [21:00:18] | Korny: | my frontends I could care less about, if I break one I just grab my thumb drive and reinstall 10 minutes later back to normal |
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| [21:01:51] | sphery: | Korny: that makes me think you're a responsible user (who chose a good distro with good packager managers for MythTV) |
| [21:02:16] | sphery: | besides, if it takes a Linux System Admin to run MythTV, we're definitely doing something wrong |
| [21:02:20] | Korny: | If you consider mythbuntu good |
| [21:02:30] | Korny: | its simple and does what I want |
| [21:02:39] | sphery: | (as I'm not an SA--and have no interest in learning to be one :) |
| [21:02:57] | sphery: | yeah, I think mythbuntu is one of the 2 best choices for MythTV |
| [21:03:01] | sphery: | the other being LinHES |
| [21:03:47] | Korny: | I wish I was a good programmer and could make a theme for myth that would support some of the features of xbmc's moving manager, mainly the most recently added function |
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| [21:04:09] | Korny: | Without going through the myth filters |
| [21:05:21] | Korny: | Like just make a another choice under video that says "recently added" lol |
| [21:07:40] | Korny: | Is it possible to have a menu choice with a different filter? |
| [21:07:55] | Korny: | or do all the video views use the same filter? |
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| [21:14:00] | wagnerrp: | views and filters are independent |
| [21:14:06] | wagnerrp: | moving manager? |
| [21:17:32] | Korny: | movie * |
| [21:17:34] | Korny: | lol |
| [21:17:53] | ** Korny wish he didn't have 7,000 tv epsidoes from his sagetv install to slow things down so much lol ** | |
| [21:18:51] | sphery: | it shouldn't slow things down |
| [21:19:02] | sphery: | unless you're mistakenly allowing mythtv to browse files |
| [21:19:23] | sphery: | i.e. scan every file in every directory in Videos SG on every host at every start up |
| [21:19:42] | sphery: | without writing any info to the db, so it's repeated every time |
| [21:19:51] | sphery: | and sometimes while still in video library |
| [21:19:53] | Korny: | sphery, when I go to load video's it takes 15 seconds or so for my atom's to show a menu |
| [21:20:02] | sphery: | "every start up [of Video Library]" |
| [21:20:36] | sphery: | normally I'd say, "Yeah, you need to disable file browsing," but with an Atom, I can't be sure it's not just a lack of memory/CPU resources |
| [21:20:52] | Korny: | on my bigger boxes its only 1–2 seconds |
| [21:21:00] | sphery: | Korny: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/519758#519758 |
| [21:21:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: since when is performing a binary edit on an executable easier than recompiling? |
| [21:21:21] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe |
| [21:21:44] | sphery: | I still think a script to copy the file to a new one with a usable extension is easiest |
| [21:21:47] | wagnerrp: | why are our users so damned insane? |
| [21:21:54] | sphery: | does gallery require a scan for new content? |
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| [21:22:04] | sphery: | if so, definitely makes sense to copy/rename |
| [21:22:07] | wagnerrp: | the gallery does not store a content list |
| [21:22:12] | wagnerrp: | it is nothing more than a fancy file browser |
| [21:22:27] | sphery: | if not--and if the user really is looking directly at the files on the card--who knows |
| [21:22:45] | sphery: | oh |
| [21:23:09] | sphery: | Korny: specifically it's the "Browse filesystem" garbage you want disabled |
| [21:23:32] | sphery: | (meaning the menu should offer that option, since you'd have set the option, "Browse Library (recommended)" |
| [21:24:01] | sphery: | Korny: where http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/519768#519768 tries to better explain the UI for the menu |
| [21:24:29] | sphery: | Korny: and I'd be really interested to know--once you're sure whether you're browsing library--whether it's still slow |
| [21:25:00] | sphery: | Korny: also, the Show Directory Structure might be useful, too--to allow it to build up a list/view of just /some/ of the videos |
| [21:25:09] | sphery: | and let you drill down to find things |
| [21:25:25] | sphery: | feedback/results greatly appreciated |
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| [21:25:52] | Korny: | Im using browe by libary I know that |
| [21:26:02] | wagnerrp: | ugh... http://www.mythtvtalk.com/video-scanning-mp4s . . . ideos-16132/ |
| [21:26:21] | Korny: | my keyboard is dying lol |
| [21:26:48] | wagnerrp: | why do people advertise on the internet that they steal copyrighted content? |
| [21:27:33] | Korny: | Well why are people stupid enough ot use torrents? |
| [21:27:47] | ** Korny won't touch a public torrent with a 10 foot pole ** | |
| [21:27:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, why does The Pirate Bay sue a copyright organization for copyright violation for using their CSS |
| [21:28:20] | sphery: | i.e. "that's a big gun you have, but you should really point it at me" |
| [21:28:49] | wagnerrp: | i see that sort of thing like patent MAD |
| [21:29:00] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [21:29:16] | wagnerrp: | you have no desire to sue people for patent infringement, but will out of retaliation |
| [21:29:42] | Korny: | hmmm is there any way to not list tv shows in 1 of the views? |
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| [21:30:14] | Korny: | I knwo you can do movie/tv |
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| [21:30:18] | Korny: | view |
| [21:30:19] | sphery: | it is amazing, though, that people freely (and in this case, it's obvious he's not just accidentally copying something that tips you off--he's directly saying it) admit to stealing stuff |
| [21:30:49] | sphery: | Korny: I just use the file system to organize things and keep movies and TV separate |
| [21:32:09] | Korny: | sphery, they are seperate |
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| [21:34:28] | wagnerrp: | Korny: whatever you're trying to accomplish, it might be easier to build in a new sort type here... http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . ist.cpp#n812 |
| [21:35:28] | Korny: | lol the last programming I've done was on a TI 85 turning a game into Y wing adeventure from the avoiding log game |
| [21:35:57] | wagnerrp: | in Z80 ASM? |
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| [21:38:41] | Korny: | TI basic :) |
| [21:39:04] | wagnerrp: | oh, so you're just talking about going into the code and changing one character |
| [21:39:10] | Korny: | no... |
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| [21:39:24] | Korny: | I also wrote a program that would change from any base to any base |
| [21:39:33] | Korny: | well I went upto base 36 |
| [21:39:39] | Korny: | I think |
| [21:39:52] | justinh: | mmm base. All your base... |
| [21:39:58] | justinh: | buttery biscuit base |
| [21:40:00] | wagnerrp: | i'm pretty sure the calculator had that ability built in |
| [21:40:09] | ** justinh waves ** | |
| [21:40:17] | Korny: | wagnerrp, not the TI 85's |
| [21:40:24] | Korny: | maybe the ti 86+'s |
| [21:40:42] | Korny: | but the ti 85's couldn't even solve for x like the ti 92's and 86's could |
| [21:41:03] | wagnerrp: | ah, no... only certain bases, binary/octal/decimal/hex |
| [21:41:19] | Korny: | Actually they banned ti 92's and 86's from math league when I was in school |
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| [21:41:37] | wagnerrp: | that's because "they" are retarded |
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| [21:42:18] | Korny: | Well yes and no.... |
| [21:42:32] | Korny: | They changed how they wrote questions because of those calculators |
| [21:43:00] | wagnerrp: | they made the questions actually test your knowledge, as opposed to be busy-work that could be performed by the calculators |
| [21:43:11] | Korny: | Exactly |
| [21:43:18] | wagnerrp: | that is the correct solution to evolving technology |
| [21:43:20] | wagnerrp: | not banning it |
| [21:43:30] | Korny: | But when the calculators first came out |
| [21:43:46] | Korny: | in 97 I think they already had the math league tests written out |
| [21:44:24] | wagnerrp: | 97... i think i too my SATs/ACTs around then |
| [21:44:37] | wagnerrp: | i don't recall whether or not i was allowed to take my 89 to them |
| [21:44:47] | Korny: | they didn't have an 89 in 97 |
| [21:45:00] | Korny: | 92 came out in 96/97 I believe |
| [21:45:06] | Korny: | 89 was after 92 |
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| [21:45:20] | wagnerrp: | introduced in 1998... maybe i didn't have it yet |
| [21:45:28] | wagnerrp: | the 89 is just a 92 in a different form factor |
| [21:45:30] | wagnerrp: | internals are all the same |
| [21:45:39] | Korny: | I know, full keyboard vs standard |
| [21:46:22] | Korny: | I didn't find graphicing calculators that useful on my ACT |
| [21:46:35] | Korny: | sigh graphing* |
| [21:47:24] | wagnerrp: | i probably should have retaken them again later |
| [21:47:37] | wagnerrp: | i got what i considered "good enough" as a sophomore |
| [21:49:17] | Korny: | I got a 32 I think? I remeber someone telling me anything between a 31 and a 35 is statistically the same because of the bell curve |
| [21:50:09] | wagnerrp: | i think i got a 30, but then i was only 12 |
| [21:50:31] | Korny: | I went to school for computer science, found out that while I love computers I hate working with them as a job... |
| [21:50:48] | Korny: | So I went back to school to be come a nurse, which is why you see me on at all wierd times of the day |
| [21:51:09] | wagnerrp: | i've got a cousin who is a nurse |
| [21:51:32] | Korny: | Right now I was 4 12's a week, making really good money, but never see my family |
| [21:51:44] | Korny: | so when we move back to Minnesota I'm going to go back to m-f 8–5 |
| [21:51:50] | Korny: | make less money but see family |
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| [21:51:58] | wagnerrp: | although he's has a fairly large build, so he gets called over whenever they have any heavy lifting with patients |
| [21:52:18] | Korny: | I'm 6'2" 240... |
| [21:52:30] | Korny: | But I do homecare |
| [21:52:39] | wagnerrp: | he's probably about the same, maybe a bit shorter |
| [21:53:14] | Korny: | Anytime you see me online after 10pm I'm at work, I really sould setup an irc client on one of my servers so I don't have to run 2 clients from different networks |
| [21:53:59] | tgm4883: | ZNC ftw |
| [21:54:07] | tgm4883: | or bip |
| [21:54:17] | wagnerrp: | i just use xchat |
| [21:54:29] | sheppard: | irssi ftw |
| [21:54:29] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, those aren't the same |
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| [21:54:45] | sheppard: | if you have a stable box with stable internet, don't need a bouncer |
| [21:54:50] | wagnerrp: | i know, they're relays rather than full clients |
| [21:54:55] | tgm4883: | I connect to ZNC from xchat |
| [21:54:56] | tgm4883: | yea |
| [21:55:01] | sheppard: | also far less likely to start a torrent of reconnect/sendQ floods |
| [21:55:18] | wagnerrp: | buy i just stuff an xchat session on on virtual framebuffer |
| [21:55:19] | sheppard: | when znc/whatever poops the bed and can't figure out how to rate limit commands |
| [21:55:22] | Korny: | I was looking at weechat |
| [21:55:30] | wagnerrp: | and then forward the framebuffer to whatever X server i'm currently using |
| [21:55:38] | wagnerrp: | works great on the local network |
| [21:55:44] | wagnerrp: | less so remotely |
| [21:56:04] | jamesd2: | the $2.50 in bitcoins is the most valuable things on the servers the kooks doing encrytion on there linux box have. |
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| [21:56:23] | wagnerrp: | uh huh... |
| [21:56:30] | wagnerrp: | wrong channel? |
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| [21:56:47] | jamesd2: | opps |
| [21:56:51] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [21:57:36] | neufeld: | I use erc for IRC, under emacs. Then I've got a little bit of running elisp in my emacs that looks for a DISPLAY to show up in a file, and if it finds one, opens a frame on that. So, if I'm at the office, I ssh in to home, write my $DISPLAY into that file, and within 60 seconds my home emacs materializes on the screen. |
| [21:58:12] | tgm4883: | I've only had issues with bip when connecting with my tablet |
| [21:58:22] | tgm4883: | i've only been running znc a few days, so IDK |
| [21:58:26] | justinh: | even just the very thought of emacs makes me shudder, and I've never used it |
| [21:58:40] | quinten: | before i apply any patch, does http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10504 apply to mythtv-0.26 (not fixes) ? |
| [21:59:34] | quinten: | the last comment is unclear |
| [21:59:49] | tgm4883: | quinten, to me, it reads as it's fixed in 0.26+fixes |
| [22:00:25] | quinten: | OK, so I'm correct that the patch is necessary for 0.26-release |
| [22:00:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: speaking of stable networks... did you see the thread where the user wants to run MythWeb on multiple hosts with an external load balancer and have MythWeb maintain user state (rather than load balancing by user or whatever) |
| [22:00:59] | wagnerrp: | i'd prefer to have not seen that one |
| [22:01:04] | neufeld: | justinh: Back in grad school, I decided to try this "emacs" on one of the two Sun3 machines that were used by all physics students and professors. I started it up, and about 90 seconds later, the department sysadmin came in to chat. He suggested that "jove" was a nice editor, same key bindings, but with a smaller memory footprint. |
| [22:01:08] | wagnerrp: | better for my sanity |
| [22:01:38] | tgm4883: | quinten, that is what I think, yea |
| [22:02:00] | quinten: | tgm4883, thanks |
| [22:02:04] | neufeld: | justinh: in the end, though, it's a matter of preference. I like emacs, others like vi. I write a lot of lisp code, and it's a natural fit for me. |
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| [22:02:52] | justinh: | vi? good grief I only ever use that under duress these days |
| [22:03:21] | justinh: | used to be my default editor way back in the day.. on Unix... when elm was my email client |
| [22:03:45] | justinh: | and printing meant catting hand-crafted postscript to the laser printer |
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| [22:04:29] | justinh: | a long spell of abstinence from *nix meant I forgot everything I knew how to do in vi.. so now it's nano/pico |
| [22:06:35] | neufeld: | Oh, I'm no fan of nano/pico. I know emacs because it's my preferred editor, and I know vi (without the vim enhancements) because that's always going to be available on a UNIX system, and I might occasionally have to use it. If I'm on a system where nano is the only editor, that's annoying. |
| [22:08:03] | justinh: | when is it ever the only editor? I thought vi/vim was the defacto |
| [22:09:01] | wagnerrp: | at least on gentoo, nano is the only default installed editor |
| [22:09:28] | wagnerrp: | freebsd uses easyedit (ee), although vi is used internally for a couple tools |
| [22:09:41] | neufeld: | justinh: yeah, so I thought, too, but vi and emacs are sometimes both missing on new installs, and I occasionally have to use pico/nano to configure some stuff before you can download vi. |
| [22:11:01] | dekarl: | is it even allowed to ship unox systems without vi available in single user mode? |
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| [22:13:55] | neufeld: | I've been on emacs so long, I remember the full progression of nicknames. "Eight Megs And Constantly Swapping". "Eighteen Megs...". "Eighty Megs...". Now, nobody cares about RAM, and this emacs has a RSS of 36MB. |
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| [22:50:32] | sphery: | There... The list probably wondered why I haven't sent an extremely long email in a while. Now, I'm back. |
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| [23:02:06] | justinh: | There. not a single trace of that idiot's 'development' work is left on the shop site *I* am now the developer for. Including his crappy photoshop generated logo |
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| [23:02:44] | justinh: | I mean, lens flares coming off specular highlights on the text? Pfft |
| [23:03:09] | wagnerrp: | hey bro, lens flare is the awesome! |
| [23:04:10] | justinh: | the shadows in the scene were facing the wrong way.. Well, half of them were |
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| [23:04:35] | justinh: | me, I just used Blender.. bit of a steep learning curve even doing some simple 3d text.. oof |
| [23:04:55] | justinh: | but wow, Blender is teh awesum |
| [23:05:17] | justinh: | I won't be using it for any mythtv theme related activities though.. it's too... intensive |
| [23:05:34] | justinh: | how the hell anybody actually animates cool stuff with it is anybody's guess |
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| [23:08:33] | wagnerrp: | now to try to get a sixxs tunnel set up, since my ISP seems to be blocking my old proto-41 tunnel |
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| [23:32:33] | ertyu-m: | I found those proto-41 easy to block in firewalls by accident |
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