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| [02:06:06] | wagnerrp: | note to self... secure hard drive bay before turning case upside-down |
| [02:06:32] | ertyu-m: | that's a good note for everyone |
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| [04:42:49] | Vaska: | Quick question about the Netflix Streaming Wiki page – step one says to "download silverlight.patch from this page to /etc/port...", but where is the silverlight.patch though? |
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| [05:17:13] | GaveUp: | just set up an infinitv on a new machine with 0.26 ... added it and all went fine. If I try to scan for channels it fails to open the card, though. If I try to watch tv it says all the tuners are busy. If I cat the ceton dev's to mplayer I get video fine ... drawing a blank what else could be going on |
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| [10:23:23] | jst__: | wagnerrp: you there? |
| [10:24:57] | jst__: | so, that acer revo nettop is kinda of slow... decodes 1080p, no problem... but the thing is a god elsewhere... can you recommed something that (1) can decode 1080p without bogging down the rest of the system and (2) has very, very small power draw? |
| [10:26:07] | jst__: | ohh, this looks: sexah http://www.asrock.com/microsite/Vision3D/index.asp?c=Models |
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| [10:28:36] | Korny2: | jst__ doesn't it have an ion card? |
| [10:28:44] | jst__: | Korny2: it does |
| [10:28:57] | Korny2: | if so if you'r eusing vpadu then it should have very little system load |
| [10:29:00] | jst__: | Korny2: but the different models cost between $600–800 |
| [10:29:23] | Korny2: | Are you in the US? |
| [10:29:34] | jst__: | Korny2: true, but it's an atom processor, so anything outside of mythtv is painfully slow |
| [10:29:46] | Korny2: | You use it for things other then mythtv? |
| [10:29:55] | Korny2: | So its not a dedicated front end? |
| [10:30:09] | Korny2: | I would build with an i3 then |
| [10:30:23] | Korny2: | they can be very lower power when idle, but have power if needed |
| [10:31:59] | jst__: | not really feasible |
| [10:32:07] | Korny2: | why is that? |
| [10:32:13] | jst__: | they're all $600+ |
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| [10:32:18] | Korny2: | i3's? |
| [10:32:21] | Korny2: | Where are you? |
| [10:32:23] | jst__: | yes! |
| [10:32:25] | jst__: | US |
| [10:33:27] | Korny2: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115090 |
| [10:33:33] | Korny2: | 114 dollars |
| [10:33:43] | Korny2: | ad a 100 dollar mobo |
| [10:33:46] | Korny2: | if that |
| [10:33:51] | Korny2: | 50 dollar case |
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| [10:33:56] | Korny2: | 50 dollar power supply |
| [10:34:01] | Korny2: | and 20 bucks of ram |
| [10:34:06] | Korny2: | and a spare HD |
| [10:34:14] | jst__: | and a case... |
| [10:35:04] | jst__: | so it's a custom-build |
| [10:35:16] | jst__: | i could do it |
| [10:35:54] | Korny2: | I'm willing to bet 95% of the boxes of the people in here other then the ion type machines are custom-built |
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| [10:49:23] | jst__: | Korny2: that's good |
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| [10:49:31] | jst__: | i mean, cheap for that kind of system |
| [10:49:48] | jst__: | but maybe i'll just stick with acer revo nettop |
| [10:50:01] | jst__: | it's frstrating at times, but plays myth really well |
| [10:50:02] | Korny2: | how much is the acer? |
| [10:50:07] | Korny2: | oh you already have it |
| [10:50:16] | jst__: | $150–200? |
| [10:50:33] | jst__: | yeah |
| [10:51:05] | jst__: | it's ~3 years, old, hard to find a price-point |
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| [11:19:04] | jst__: | yeah, looks like it's much more cost-effective to build my own |
| [11:19:46] | jst__: | atoms are meh, RPis are garbage |
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| [12:33:20] | wagnerrp: | jst_: very briefly, what did you need? |
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| [13:59:13] | GaveUp: | just set up an infinitv on a new machine with 0.26 ... added it and all went fine. If I try to scan for channels it fails to open the card, though. If I try to watch tv it says all the tuners are busy. If I cat the ceton dev's to mplayer I get video fine ... drawing a blank what else could be going on |
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| [14:38:17] | stuartm: | permissions |
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| [14:49:37] | GaveUp: | stuartm: on what? I can access the /dev/ceton devices fine as the myth user |
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| [14:56:02] | stuartm: | GaveUp: what device type are you selecting in mythtv-setup? |
| [14:56:28] | stuartm: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ceton#Create_the_Recorders |
| [14:57:00] | GaveUp: | yeah, did that ...ceton card type, one for each tuner |
| [14:58:30] | stuartm: | ok, restarted the backend? |
| [14:58:40] | GaveUp: | yep |
| [14:59:20] | stuartm: | sorry, meant to ask whether you shutdown the backend while running mythtv-setup? But it sounds like you probably have |
| [14:59:38] | stuartm: | that's about all I can contribute, I've no experience with configuring Ceton devices, sorry |
| [15:00:49] | GaveUp: | thanks anyway ... |
| [15:22:12] | wagnerrp: | permissions on the recording directories |
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| [17:12:26] | jabain: | Hi All...I am trying to adjust my picture settings in my HDPVR, but the v4l2-ctl command give me a "no such device" error when trying to change the picture settings. Anyone know how to fix this? |
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| [19:16:58] | JohnP789: | I'm using a MythTV backend to serve videos to a DLNA TV. Although I have the videos in a directory tree structure on disk, the TV lists them all under AllVideos. Is there any way to get a tree structure for UPnP-served videos? |
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| [19:21:10] | JohnP789: | Ah, I see: ticket 11164 |
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| [19:24:39] | GaveUp: | wagnerrp: doesn't appear that is the case ... can r/w to the folders as mythtv without a problem |
| [19:25:06] | wagnerrp: | then we need to see your backend logs |
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| [19:35:40] | slickrick: | i'm trying to record from an old vcr connected to the composite input on my also old pvr500. it seems to work for about 25 minutes or so and then it just stops. |
| [19:36:13] | slickrick: | looking in the logs when it happens nothing stands out. http://pastebin.com/z3V3zYzn |
| [19:36:21] | slickrick: | thought it would be fairly easy thing to do. |
| [19:38:29] | slickrick: | actually here is just the end of mythbackend.log http://pastebin.com/jUJV4k8K |
| [19:38:37] | slickrick: | and i see specifically: Feb 9 14:33:01 gabe mythbackend[3967]: E DeviceReadBuffer DeviceReadBuffer.cpp:460 (Poll) DevRdB(/dev/video1): poll eof (POLLHUP) |
| [19:43:12] | slickrick: | i have a few updates to apply to ubuntu 12.04 and also from the myth repos. going to give that a whirl. i didn't find many details when googling. |
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| [20:15:14] | GaveUp: | wagnerrp: not sure what I did but it decided to start working now so yay for that |
| [20:17:13] | stuartm: | slickrick: that was fixed a while ago, you need the latest -fixes version of 0.26 |
| [20:19:02] | stuartm: | there was a change in driver behaviour in more recent kernels and changes had to be made in MythTV to support it |
| [20:19:26] | slickrick: | damn ... i'm on 0.25+fixes. |
| [20:19:51] | slickrick: | i should have just done 0.26 when i rebuilt the backend ... sigh. |
| [20:20:47] | slickrick: | stuartm: thanks for head up. i think i am going to change to 0.26 today. =] |
| [20:23:58] | slickrick: | if i'm using the mythbuntu repos, is it just a simple matter of switching from the 0.25 to 0.26 repos on the backend and frontends? |
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| [20:31:40] | jr3us: | greetings! I'll be dogged if I can remember what to set so the channel number will be remembered after leaving live tv. Currently it is always going to the first channel number. This is analog live tv BTW. |
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| [20:39:34] | slickrick: | after installing updates for my system (ubuntu 12.04) amd from the myth repos i'm not having that issue so far. i've been able to record past the 25 minute mark were it was failing before. |
| [20:45:14] | lukeer: | Hi all, after a hdd crash, I'm setting up a new MythBuntu system (recordings survived on another drive). This box refuses to shut down after I logged out. In mythtv-setup, I set no Startup command, [v] Block shutdown before client connected, 60 s Idle shutdown timeout, 15 min maximum wait for recording, 600 s Startup before recording, time_t as Wakeup time format, a setwakeup.sh script, "sudo /sbin/halt -p" as server halt comman |
| [20:45:14] | lukeer: | d and a checklogin.sh scipt as Pre Shutdown check-command. MythTv starts automatically with the system. I then watch TV or a recording or shut MythTV down and log out. PC does not shut down. I checked mythbackend.log and there is no sign of the checklogin.sh script telling that someone is still logged in. |
| [20:45:53] | lukeer: | How can I make MythBuntu to shut down after I logged out? |
| [20:46:12] | wagnerrp: | tell it to shut down, rather than just log out |
| [20:46:26] | slickrick: | scratch that ... it gets a bit farther but fails at 32 minutes now. upgrading to 0.26 i guess it is. |
| [20:47:20] | lukeer: | But then it won't get the correct time to boot for the next recording, I read forgetting where exactly. |
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| [21:09:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | slickrick: Are you recording with MythTV? IIRC, if you're recording with Myth and no guide data, it's going to stop @ :00 and :30 as it 'defaults' to 1/2 hour program slots... Unless 0.26 does things differently (/me is still on 0.25-fixes) |
| [21:10:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | slickrick: so if you started your recording at 15:55, it would stop at 16:00 – or if you started it at 16:01, it would stop at 16:30... |
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| [21:12:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | slickrick: If archiving VHS tapes or such, perhaps the best way is to do it outside of mythtv – ie "cat /dev/video0 >/path/to/file/myvideo.mpg" – then press ctrl-c when done. |
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| [21:12:52] | wagnerrp: | manners: no, but then neither can anything else. that old epia isn't capable of decoding anything in modern use to make it worthwhile... |
| [21:13:09] | manners: | lol |
| [21:13:45] | manners: | i got it running xp at the moment and it can play avi files but the boot time is slow and i imagine xp is not helping |
| [21:13:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | manners: Build a MAME box with it. ;-) |
| [21:14:04] | wagnerrp: | it won't handle anything but standard definition MPEG2, and even then, it will only do it using XvMC, which has been abandoned by most video players, including mythtv |
| [21:14:23] | wagnerrp: | you might be able to do low bitrate MPEG4 ASP with it |
| [21:14:45] | manners: | i only really want a upnp client |
| [21:15:05] | wagnerrp: | go buy a roku or WDTV or something |
| [21:15:26] | wagnerrp: | or hell, many modern tvs have one built in |
| [21:15:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | or use your PS3? ;-) |
| [21:15:38] | manners: | i aint gonna buy anything lol this is for my daughters bedroom |
| [21:15:49] | ** J-e-f-f-A 's son uses a PS3 to watch Myth content. ;-) ** | |
| [21:16:13] | manners: | iv got a ps3 and xbox 360 in my lounge and my boys have one in their room but my daughter moans she cant watch all teh stored vids |
| [21:16:26] | wagnerrp: | does she have a computer? |
| [21:16:27] | manners: | teh/the |
| [21:16:36] | manners: | lol nope she has a netbook |
| [21:16:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | yeah, sometimes it complains about the video format is 'corrupt'... probably DRM crap. |
| [21:17:12] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: not likely, mythtv won't record anything with "drm crap" |
| [21:17:22] | wagnerrp: | the PS3 is just very finicky about the types of files it will handle |
| [21:17:31] | wagnerrp: | when in doubt, use m2ts |
| [21:17:37] | manners: | i use ps3 media server and ushare on an ubuntu netbook with my external hdd plugged in |
| [21:17:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: – may just be Myth's UPNP implementation – the PS3 doesn't like some of my Myth recording for some reason... |
| [21:18:10] | manners: | never have any issues playing any vids including the 3d mkv's |
| [21:18:38] | wagnerrp: | the PS3 should play any digital recordings (m2ts) just fine |
| [21:18:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | manners: Look at "mythlink' then – and share those links with your media server. |
| [21:18:50] | wagnerrp: | but doesn't like any losslessly transcoded (m2ps) files |
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| [21:19:09] | wagnerrp: | 3d mkvs? you mean stereo? |
| [21:19:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I think it's the old recordings I had from Dish that were ripped from the PVR HDD directly – I think they were MPEG 2 TS, but with a large GOP size, and the PS3 don't like that... |
| [21:19:38] | wagnerrp: | i didn't think anyone had actually made a 3d video codec |
| [21:20:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | Might also be the DVD rips I did to ISOs without menus... that confuses even the 0.25-fixes frontend... |
| [21:20:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, PS3 won't touch ISOs |
| [21:21:11] | wagnerrp: | but most of those applications that "transcode" content for the PS3 just remux to m2ts |
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| [21:21:30] | wagnerrp: | all other formats, the PS3 is unnecessary restrictive |
| [21:21:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | strange thing is that they don't play on a remote 0.25-fixes frontend, but play on the 0.25-fixes backend... so must either be a storage groups thing, or ??? I dunno... haven't spent much time on it. |
| [21:21:51] | wagnerrp: | perhaps they're encrypted? |
| [21:21:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | nah, ripped with K9copy. |
| [21:22:08] | wagnerrp: | that's the only thing that would make an iso work in one place but not another |
| [21:22:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | But if they have menus, they play fine on a remote frontend. |
| [21:22:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Only if I try to play a movie that I've stripped the menus from, but kept it in ISO format. |
| [21:22:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | They *used* to work in 0.24, so maybe 0.25 is more 'strict' about the DVD format structure? |
| [21:23:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | It would *seem* that playing an ISO that has no menus on a remote frontend doesn't work on 0.25-fixes, but does *locally* on the backend. |
| [21:27:35] | slickrick: | J-e-f-f-A: I am recording using mythtv itself. Is there anyway to override the half hour default? I am not sure how much is on the tapes, so this allows me to watch it while it records and stop when needed. |
| [21:27:37] | wagnerrp: | shouldn't matter |
| [21:27:48] | Korny: | Why not just rip to mkv and keep titles |
| [21:27:55] | wagnerrp: | slickrick: half hour default? |
| [21:28:00] | Korny: | instead of ISO without menu |
| [21:28:09] | slickrick: | J-e-f-f-A: I was actually just about the upgrade to 0.26 when I saw your response .... |
| [21:28:20] | wagnerrp: | you mean the half hour chopping when recording livetv with no guide data? |
| [21:28:23] | Korny: | err keep chapters |
| [21:28:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Actually, checking a few dvds I ripped recently without menus – they don't work on the backend either... Log shows "decoding error / eno: Broken pipe (32), then many Waited xxxms for video buffers..." then it falls back to the menu after 4.5 secs. |
| [21:28:56] | slickrick: | wagnerrp: <J-e-f-f-A> slickrick: Are you recording with MythTV? IIRC, if you're recording with Myth and no guide data, it's going to stop @ :00 and :30 as it 'defaults' to 1/2 hour program slots... |
| [21:29:08] | wagnerrp: | Korny: why not keep the menus, bonus features, the whole lot? |
| [21:29:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | slickrick: yeah, I'd say record outside of mythtv using "cat /dev/video# >/my/file/name.mpg", then press ctrl-c to stop, and put it in your MythTV Videos path. (or record directly to there) |
| [21:29:36] | wagnerrp: | if you're ripping to a 4–5GB mkv, whats another GB or so for the full ISO? |
| [21:30:21] | slickrick: | J-e-f-f-A: damn, I really liked being able to check in on the recording from mythfrontend to see what it was looking like. |
| [21:30:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | re: DVD rips – I could care less about the extra features, so I have always ripped them without menus. But it seems [somewhat] recent changes to the DVD playback code doesn't like an ISO without a menu... |
| [21:31:01] | Korny: | wagnerrp, this is true |
| [21:31:13] | Korny: | but a dvd quality mkv wouldn't be 4–5gb |
| [21:31:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | slickrick: I *think* you could always fire up another terminal and play back the in-progres recording – something like "mplayer /path/to/my/recording.mpg" ... |
| [21:31:25] | wagnerrp: | of course it would |
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| [21:31:47] | wagnerrp: | mkv is more efficient than m2ps that DVDs pack their video in |
| [21:31:57] | wagnerrp: | but you're only talking about a couple hundred MB difference |
| [21:32:09] | Korny: | If you're encoding using x264 |
| [21:32:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Heh, All of my DVD rips are non-compressed, so they take anywhere from 4GB to 8GB... ;-) |
| [21:32:17] | Korny: | let me clarify |
| [21:32:18] | wagnerrp: | that's not ripping, that's transcoding |
| [21:32:23] | Korny: | Yeah I know I misspoke |
| [21:32:40] | Korny: | Just woke up |
| [21:32:45] | slickrick: | J-e-f-f-A: So probably going to 0.26 will make no difference then? |
| [21:32:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | But with ~7TB of storage on my backend, I'm not interested in compression. ;-) |
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| [21:33:19] | ** Korny has 6 TB just for his dvr pool :/ ** | |
| [21:33:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | slickrick: I would think not – unless they changed the 'defaults' of having no guide data. The defaults makes 'hard' cuts at :00 and :30 |
| [21:33:30] | Korny: | 15 tb for video storage :/ |
| [21:34:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Korny: Just woke up? It's 4:33pm! Oh- you're probably overseas. ;-) |
| [21:34:07] | wagnerrp: | that's like 2500 DVDs, with no recompession |
| [21:34:37] | slickrick: | J-e-f-f-A: Okay, so last question before I take your advice and just cat to a file .... can the defaults be changed? I looked around but I'm not seeing an obvious setting which pertains to this. |
| [21:35:09] | Korny: | J-e-f-f-A, nah I work over nights |
| [21:35:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | slickrick: Which recorder ? PVR-500? – if so, IIRC, it's v4l2-ctl |
| [21:36:17] | slickrick: | Yes, PVR 500. Seems sort of odd it wouldn't just work like this when listings grabber is set to no grabber. |
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| [21:36:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | slickrick: Yes, but Myth's behavior if it has no guide data is to split everyting at :00 and :30 |
| [21:37:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | So, since you have no grabber, you have no guide data, so it's behaving exactly like it's designed to. |
| [21:37:29] | slickrick: | Works as designed I guess. |
| [21:37:42] | wagnerrp: | it has to cut at some point |
| [21:37:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | slickrick: MythTV is not designed to be an 'archiving of old videos' solution, it's designed to be PVR with fixed schedules. ^ exactly. |
| [21:37:56] | wagnerrp: | 30min is as good a default as anything else |
| [21:38:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Now you *may* be able to trick it by 'extending' the in-progress recording's time – but to be honest, you'll have more 'control' doing the cat . ;-) |
| [21:38:40] | slickrick: | Oh I understand that, was just thinking I could use it as a way to suck in some home movies on VHS. Before the 30 minute cut off, it was working really well. |
| [21:38:52] | wagnerrp: | easier to just use 'cat' |
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| [21:39:45] | Korny: | slickrick, you can use the jobs features to archive recordings if thats your goal |
| [21:39:51] | Korny: | oh wait |
| [21:39:58] | Korny: | I'm miss understanding what he wants |
| [21:40:10] | wagnerrp: | the 30-minute cycle is only for livetv |
| [21:40:21] | wagnerrp: | you can force a manual recording, if you must record through mythtv |
| [21:42:03] | ** Korny wishes the xmbc plugin for mythtv was more mature, I really like the movie management of xmbc ** | |
| [21:42:41] | wagnerrp: | everyone says that, but i've not seen one person explain what they like better about it |
| [21:43:02] | slickrick: | wagnerrp: like a manual schedule.... ahhhh! |
| [21:43:08] | Korny: | wagnerrp, for me its the fact that it shows new additions |
| [21:43:33] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, there is a view to sort by addition date |
| [21:43:48] | Korny: | yes but you have to go into menu adjust |
| [21:43:49] | slickrick: | it even says in my frontend theme "Manual Schedule – VCR-like recording scheduler." =] |
| [21:44:00] | Korny: | this is one the front page when you goto movies tab |
| [21:44:07] | Korny: | wife friendly... |
| [21:44:58] | slickrick: | Korny: I tried the xbmc pvr stuff for connecting to Mythbackend. died in a big way trying to access my 1500 recordings. |
| [21:45:30] | slickrick: | besides, i still find mythfrontend is actually better when it comes to locating recordings and watching them. xbmc was all in one place sure, but cumbersome in comparison. |
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| [21:57:26] | slickrick: | i put in a manual recording but when i check it in upcoming recordings it says this showing will not be recorded despite the fact i have to set to 'record only this showing'. hmmm. |
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| [22:28:49] | ujee: | Hello! Am I allowed to have two storage backends – one always running, primary and other one powered on on demand, archive/secondary ? The question – what happens if a storage group isn't available? Can that power on the slave backend? |
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| [22:35:46] | wagnerrp: | yes, you can have multiple backends |
| [22:36:01] | wagnerrp: | i'm not actually sure if a slave backend will be powered up for file access, or just for recordings |
| [22:36:25] | Korny: | You could just spin down your drives if you're not accessing em |
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| [22:55:55] | ujee: | I know. But can I actually power down a backend that has some of the drives? |
| [22:57:06] | ujee: | hmm.. I guess that booting a machine for file access probably isn't user friendly anyway.. |
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| [23:14:58] | slickrick: | i think i found an easy workaround for this vcr recording. hit record, exit live tv go to the recording and change the schedule so that the end late is set to enough minutes to keep it recording. |
| [23:15:09] | slickrick: | just trying it and hoping it works as i think it will. |
| [23:15:19] | slickrick: | fingers crossed. |
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