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Friday, February 8th, 2013, 00:01 UTC

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Deanis:

Been there. Based on what I'm looking at here I would assume that it would wants a folder called The Twilight Zone. A file called 1x1 Where is Everybody.avi inside the folder. Can you agree that is what I should be looking at?

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wagnerrp:

can you access the mythtv website?

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wagnerrp:

i mean, right now... seems to have gone offline

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Deanis:

This is all much appreciated but... DAMN

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Deanis:

Sorry.

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wagnerrp:

anyway... i've got all my content organized like "The Twilight Zone/Season 1/1x01 – Where is Everybody.avi"

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wagnerrp:

any format detailed on that first page will work

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Deanis:

Oh good. You posted a suggestion. Sorry guys, the house just got real busy. I have been renaming for a while. Been to both sites. I think you confirmed for me an outstanding question of if hyphens were a problem.

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Deanis:

My brain is fried too. So thanks for thinking for me wagnerrp!

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, mythtv.org works now

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Guest31434:

looking for some help on initial installation of mythtv on ubuntu server 12.10

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wagnerrp:

do you have a specific question to ask?

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Guest31434:

a couple, sorry

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Guest31434:

sudo apt-get install mythtv-backend-master does its thing

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Guest31434:

then I set a password for the mythtv user and ssh -X to run mythtv-setup

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Guest31434:

I set a handful of settings there, but then when asked if I want to start mythtv-backend, no matter what password I type, I get an error

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wagnerrp:

you might need to try in #ubuntu-mythtv, as mythtv never asked you that

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wagnerrp:

if you were asked that question, it was something mythbuntu doing so

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Guest31434:

oh, sorry, I'm not using mythbuntu

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Guest31434:

mainly because I'm trying to avoid installing the front end stuff if possible

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wagnerrp:

yes you are

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Guest31434:

oh, is that not just the name of the full distro?

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Guest31434:

thanks for the tip, I'll try #ubuntu-mythtv

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wagnerrp:

if you're running the official ubuntu packages for mythtv, you're running mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

including all their wrappers and custom scripts

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Guest31434:

ok, I thought that was just the name of the myth ubuntu distro

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Guest31434:

thanks for pointing me in the right direction

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Deanis:

Maybe it would be easy to uninstall the 'frontend stuff' after it were configured. LOL I'm running mythbuntu and so far for noobish me it's been friendly to me and not an issue. It's pretty light compared to the Ubuntu. I tried both.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh fun... a couple of feet of snow are going to hit me tomorrow... d'oh!!!

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J-e-f-f-A:

18–24" by 7am Saturday morning...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yikes, another 8"-1 foot by noon on Saturday... yowzers. Good thing the snowblower is working good...

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tonsofpcs:

J-e-f-f-A: meh, I would just play in it :-p

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J-e-f-f-A:

tonsofpcs: Hehehe... I'm getting old... and live in a city, so even if I had time/$ for 'snow toys', I'd have to drive 30+ miles to use them. :-(

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tonsofpcs:

no you won't, the streets will be empty

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tonsofpcs:

also, why do you need a snow blower?

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J-e-f-f-A:

tonsofpcs: I'm an old fart – well, not that old (44), but I have a bad back... And we always get snow in New England...

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tonsofpcs:

right, if you have enough that you need a blower, you have enough to play

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DarthFrog:

neufeld: Thanks to your assistance yesterday, I now have Myth working with my Hauppague HD-PVR using TOSlink for audio and component for video. :-) Happy, happy, joy, joy.

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drussell_:

YMMS: I take it you have both LNBs connected via a single coax feed to some kind of DVB card in the PC with a DiSEqC switch connecting the two LNBs?

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J-e-f-f-A:

tonsofpcs: I paid $20 for my snowblower at a yard sale ~5 years ago. ;-) it's a 1968 Ariens. ;-)

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drussell_:

$20 Well spent... :-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

drussell_: agreed. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Is there an option to 'force' the backend to always call the channel-change script, even if the 'new' recording is on the same channel as the previous recording?

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YMMS:

Hi Drussell, I have 2 dishes and I swap the input by physically

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J-e-f-f-A:

Reason for asking – Verizion seems to put my box in a menu system sometimes that causes my channel-change to fail, and the 1st recording is the wrong show, and the 2nd one is on the same channel, the 2nd one is the wrong show because Myth thinks the tuner is still tuned to the 'right' channel... but it isn't due to the tuning failure...

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YMMS:

removing the cable and attaching the appropriate dish

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J-e-f-f-A:

YMMS: Ya know, they make 'switches' for that... ;-)

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YMMS:

Also drussell_ the c-band lnb works file using szap and mplayer

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drussell_:

J-e-f-f-A: Can't you put a bunch of EXIT-pause-EXIT-pause or something in the channel change script?

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drussell_:

J-e-f-f-A: My scripts for my StarChoice boxes have extra EXITS in them just to make sure it always exits all the menus and returns to the main 'live playback' area before a channel change just in case I somehow leave the box in a strange state or it couldn't tune the channel or whatever...

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twiggy2cents:

thanks guys!

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J-e-f-f-A:

drussell_: Perhaps.... I added a 'menu' 'exit' a few months ago, and that seemed to fix the issue at that time, but now I occasionally get stuck in a menu, that eventually times out (about 5 mins), but then I'm on the wrong channel. D'oh!

[04:35:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

drussell_: I'll have to experiment with the remote 'manually' to see how to get out of the menu presented by my FiOS box...

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drussell_:

J-e-f-f-A: Why would you want the 'menu' in there, required to get out of your provider's menu? Wierd... Usually a bunch of exits/cancels will get you out of everything but some providers do really wierd things, I guess...

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drussell_:

J-e-f-f-A: Try adding a little more sleep time between your exits, many STB are a bit slow if you are several menu levels deep and don't buffer the keypresses...

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drussell_:

J-e-f-f-A: But, yes... find out manually with the remote how to reliably get out and you should be able to script something up

[04:38:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

drussell_: Yeah, 'universally' "Menu" usuall gets you to a specific menu, then Exit gets you back to 'live' TV...

[04:39:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

But either my delay is not enough, or they've change the menu system, resulting in me needing to do something else to exit the state they have the box in.

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J-e-f-f-A:

These are generic HD boxes – they probably have a promotional thing on the screen or something, trying to get me to try PPV or upgrade to another movie package or something...

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drussell_:

J-e-f-f-A: Gotcha...

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drussell_:

J-e-f-f-A: I always figure a few extra EXITs can't hurt to make it a bit more robust... LOL

[04:41:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

When I had Dish network, I had a script setup that would exit any on-screen junk, but I switched to FiOS and went HD, and thing were working perfectly until a few weeks ago, and now I get an occasional missed channel-change due to an unknown state they put the box in...

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J-e-f-f-A:

drussell_: I'll try that in a 'normal' test mode with the remote... as long as 'exit' doesn't trigger a menu under certain circumstances... ;-)

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drussell_:

J-e-f-f-A: Yes, all depends on the STB software... Usually you should be able to find some way to reliably get out though

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drussell_:

J-e-f-f-A: http://pastebin.com/yF1RBv8v

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drussell_:

J-e-f-f-A: The extra EXIT pause EXIT EXIT EXIT at the end usually gets rid of the on screen info banner tha otherwise takes several seconds to disappear and ends up in the recording

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J-e-f-f-A:

drussell_: Thanks... but my problem isn't the OSD, it's that the box is sometimes in an unpredictable state...

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J-e-f-f-A:

drussell_: And I can live with an occasional missed channel change due to that, but since mythbackend doesn't send a channel change if the last channel tuned was the same, I get additional failed recordings...

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drussell_:

J-e-f-f-A: Yes, I know what your menu issue is, was just explaining why I had all the extra EXITs at the end also

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J-e-f-f-A:

drussell_: I've got an 'exit' in there after the channel-change – the oSD is long gone before my HD-PVRs lock on to the signal... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

drussell_: I think I need a couple of extra 'exits' after the 'menu' select... seems one isn't enough in every case...

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drussell_:

J-e-f-f-A: I often find that as well, which is why I do several, then a pause, then one more for good measure on that particular box... Then just kept loweing the pause times until it was as fast as it would reliably go...

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J-e-f-f-A:

drussell_: I did 'menu' because I found that VZ was powering my boxes OFF at times, and pressing "Menu" turned them back on. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

(but apparently only when sent via firewire – not from the IR remote... ;-) )

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J-e-f-f-A:

I just experimented and adding additional 'Exit's doesn't do any harm, other than extending the channel change script 1/2 second... shouldn't be an issue... we'll see tomorrow. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think that's going to work ok... Testing with "Tuner test mode" (AKA "Live TV") seems to change perfectly, even if I turn off the box... which was the issue a few months ago, and why I added a "Menu" then "Exit" to the 'front' of the script. ;-)

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drussell_:

Probably just wan't quite enough pause in there for every case... Likely good now

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, and since the HD-PVR takes about 3 seconds to lock on anyways, it should be fine. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

When I was using a Dish "DishPlayer 7200 PVR" as a tuner years ago, I had to jump through a few hoops to get it reliable... But the FiOS boxes have been pretty rock-solid – until they started powering off themselves, and recently when the menu would occasionally interfere with the channel-change...

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wagnerrp:

luckily most of the stuff is recorded off a cablecard tuner?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Heh, I haven't setup the alternate channel listings yet to do that... So most of the stuff is still on the HD-PVRs...

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wagnerrp:

aww

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I found a script somewhere that would tune each channel on the Ceton and determine if it was either "Copy Freely" or not flagged, but haven't whipped that into a tool to create/modify a channell lineup yet. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: are you getting any snow from this storm? I'm supposed to get 2'+ (maybe even 3–4'?) through Sunday...

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wagnerrp:

not that i'm aware of

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wagnerrp:

it's all rain as it crosses by here

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J-e-f-f-A:

D'oh!

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which, it appears it's about to

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J-e-f-f-A:

I should have stayed in FL for a couple more weeks, I would have liked to miss this Blizzard...

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J-e-f-f-A:

They're comparing it to the "Blizzard of 1978", which absolutely crippled New England... but they weren't able to predict the storm in 78 – this one they did, so it may be about the same scale, but hopefully people will be better prepared this time.

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J-e-f-f-A:

I was 10 in 1978, and remember we couldn't even open our front door due to a 9' drift across the front of our house...

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wagnerrp:

the river froze here

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wagnerrp:

people drove their cars across it

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J-e-f-f-A:

We could only open our back door because it was on a 3' porch, and we could push the 4' of snow that was up against the door off the porch.

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J-e-f-f-A:

and IIRC, our street wasn't even plowed for nearly a week... crazy stuff.

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J-e-f-f-A:

The governor of MA has come close to declaring a 'state of emergency', but so far has just said that he wants all cars off the roads by noon tomorrow, as the storm will hit at about 2pm and just keep going for over 24 hours...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ya see, it's not just the storm coming from your direction, it's another one coming from the South, and when they combine in NE, it's called a "Nor-Easter", and often beats the $hit out of us up here...

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k-man:

hows .27 coming along?

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voyo:

hi, I have some questions about "internet videos". Some of them requires to "click to play" ,is it possible to do this with RC only ?

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sphery:

voyo: no, we can only affect playback of videos on sites that provide a javascript control api... those that require click to play require a click from a mouse (due to Flash and all its ugliness)

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sphery:

ttbomk, those sites supported by mythnetvision that provide control apis are using them, so those that require you + mouse are just sites that expect you to watch them from a normal PC with mouse

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DarthFrog:

Hi folks.

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DarthFrog:

About the Hauppauge HD-PVR, does anyone know if you can run two or three of them on a backend?

[16:41:34]

jams:

yes you can, but they work best if not on the same usb chain

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DarthFrog:

jams: thanks. I wanted to check first, before buying another. They're on sale right now, locally, at Best Buy in Canada.

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jams:

makes sense as they are not exactly pocket change

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DarthFrog:

Yeah, dropping $300 for two is something I want to be sure about.

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DarthFrog:

Not to mention the necessity for two HD terminals to feed them.

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jams:

yep

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jams:

DarthFrog, it's probably a good idea to setup udev rules for those devices so the device node doesn't flip around

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jams:

info is on the wiki

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DarthFrog:

The one I'm testing seems to have a lot of drop-outs. :-(

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DarthFrog:

Is there a guide/tutorial somewhere to setting up those udev rules?

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tgm4883:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Device_Filenames_and_udev

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tgm4883:

DarthFrog, there is even example hdpvr rules in that wiki

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DarthFrog:

tgm4883: Thanks!

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neufeld:

DarthFrog: I found this page very helpful: http://linhes.org/projects/linhes/wiki/Predic . . . R_using_udev

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DarthFrog:

neufeld: Once again, thanks.

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** DarthFrog greatly appreciates neufeld as his personal HD-PVR mentor. :-) **

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voyo:

sphery: : yeah, no some work-around ? Its usless when you are using only RC. :/

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sphery:

voyo: no, and short of doing some crazy thing with some script and a program for controlling the mouse cursor programmatically

[20:12:54]

sphery:

I don't think there's anything we /can/ do to work around it

[20:13:18]

sphery:

wagnerrp: seems the definition of "integrate" is looser than I thought--at least when it comes to "integrating" Netflix streaming into MythTV

[20:17:32]

jams:

someone attempting to call it from the menu after installing hte patched wine?

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jams:

haha

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jams:

while i don't have a problem with anybody doing it for themselves, that vmware launched from the menu is certainly an interesting approach

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voyo:

sphere: shame :( but honestly, this is pointless to use this that way.. If I have to use PC to only click then I can just use this same PC to watch this video.

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voyo:

sphere: in meantime I found application for android – nearlyfreemouse , almost a mouse for remote X11 screen. but it is also not that comfortable as just 'play' button on RC...

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jams:

voyo..so your android phone touchscreen acts like a touchpad for the remote Xorg ?

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** Korny has considered getting cheap 7" androids for remotes, the batteries suck tough **

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voyo:

jams : yes, exatcly.

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voyo:

problems with batteries, wifi drains them like crazy. its slow, small. but still it is faster then run standalone PC only to click ''play" :/

[20:55:46]

tonsofpcs:

Korny: I thought of that, but then I'd need to build a bridge to IR or wired control to turn on/off the receiver and projector

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Korny:

I know sagetv used to get neflix in linux by using lots of scripts and playon

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tonsofpcs:

same thing with the little bluetooth keyboards

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tonsofpcs:

I was thinking maybe build an IR receiver for an rpi and use it with lirc to forward ir commands to the HTPC and also use it for other tasks so it isn't a waste sitting there

[20:57:16]

tonsofpcs:

I've already got a harmony...

[20:57:33]

clever:

tonsofpcs: the rpi does have an lirc driver now, so you can connect a receiver directly to the gpio header

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tonsofpcs:

clever: yea, I still need to assemble a cable and all that, then figure out how to forward lirc over ethernet, get a bigger switch for the HT rack [current one is full], and have a reason to power a rpi 24/7

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clever:

ah

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tonsofpcs:

that said, if rpi MPEG2 playback with mythtv using hardware becomes a reality, I may go that route and just drop rpis everywhere

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clever:

so far, ive found that omxplayer is unable to do any seeking on myths files, but it works for most other files

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tonsofpcs:

I want livetv though. for recorded files, I have a sony network attached upnp player

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voyo:

btw, does anyone tought about using kinect as input for mythtv ? mouse cursor, gestures.... briliant idea, huh ? ;)

[21:01:30]

tonsofpcs:

(and a useless roku)

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tonsofpcs:

voyo: I doubt that passes the wife test.

[21:02:09]

voyo:

lol why not..

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tonsofpcs:

voyo: ok, define gestures. Now make it so tehy don't happen when I get up, yell at the tv, wave my arms around, and wander in and out of the room

[21:07:36]

voyo:

tonsofpcs : saw this ? http://www.samsung.com/us/smarttv/

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voyo:

but yeah.. mythtv implementation would be probably not working so well ;)

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tonsofpcs:

voyo: I saw interactive TV in person in 2004. I doubt it's actually gone much further than it was then.

[21:09:20]

voyo:

tonsofpcs : this time you can buy this, not only see on show. so it surely must works better.

[21:14:30]

tonsofpcs:

voyo: when I saw it, it was a shipping product

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: what's your current multi-monitor desktop setup?

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tonsofpcs:

it was just limited to Korea (apparently they were also interactive with certain channels and they didn't want to deploy that tech in markets without the backend]

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: 17" (SXGA), 20" (UXGA), 17" (SXGA)

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skd5aner:

I've got two 21 inches (I think they're 21)...

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skd5aner:

one's starting to go a little funky on the color

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wagnerrp:

CRTs?

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skd5aner:

no, LCDs

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wagnerrp:

not a common size

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skd5aner:

Yea... mkght be 22's then

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wagnerrp:

you think the CCFL is going south?

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skd5aner:

not sitting in front of them at the moment

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skd5aner:

Well, not sure exactly... one is powered by VGA and the other by DVI... would be easy for me to switch them and see if it's the signal or the monitor

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skd5aner:

My company is offering to get me a couple of replacements... which is nice... I'm just trying to debate size, because they have a 19", a 21(or 22"), or a 24"... natural inclination is to go with the 24" ones... but man they're going to take up some real-estate

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wagnerrp:

a 24" (not 23") monitor is usually going to indicate a WUXGA monitor, rather than a "FullHD" one

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wagnerrp:

it's also likely going to be a nicer panel, and a lot more expensive, since it's a bit of a specialty item

[22:02:21]

wagnerrp:

a 22" is probably going to be WSXGA (1680x1050)

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jhall_:

hi there

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jhall_:

I have some channels that are iptv channels

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jams:

i like my dual 24 setup when i ran it

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jhall_:

I am having a number of problems, but the

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jhall_:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

i still prefer having a center screen

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wagnerrp:

don't apologize, just finish the question

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jhall_:

these are all in m3u list with http targets, not udp targets.

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jhall_:

the url is something like http://host/chan.cgi?id=33&play=1

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jhall_:

at that point the server sends Content-Type: video/MP2T

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jhall_:

and starts sending ts packets (184-byte packets)

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wagnerrp:

the developmental IPTV "tuner" supports HLS-style chunked HTTP streams

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jhall_:

vlc plays this fine

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wagnerrp:

i'm not sure if it supports raw HTTP streams

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jhall_:

the channels all load properly into mythtv, but for some reason the channel is never played

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jhall_:

I set it up as a freebox MPEG2TS channel path

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jhall_:

/ if http is not supported, what options do I have?

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jhall_:

are you sure http is not supported?

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wagnerrp:

the IPTV source is really designed to be used with one specific type of IPTV provided by the freebox service from free.fr

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wagnerrp:

which is multicast RTP streams

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jhall_:

well there is a README.UDP in the lib/mythlib/iptv dir

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jhall_:

but I saw docs that indicated you could use an http stream

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jhall_:

and tcpdump shows it does grab some of the stream

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wagnerrp:

where is this file?

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wagnerrp:

'mythlib' is not a directory i recognize

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jhall_:

oh sorry

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jhall_:

let me get the right one

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jhall_:

libs/libmyth/iptv/README.UDP

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jhall_:

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