| Tuesday, February 5th, 2013, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:16] | Lando_C: | which app should I use to try out the analog part of the card? |
| [00:00:25] | Lando_C: | xawtv? |
| [00:00:32] | drussell_: | I dinally went to MythTV from VHS a couple years ago and haven't looked back :-) |
| [00:01:02] | drussell_: | Don't know what you'll want to record with but you could just try it in mythtv once you get it on there... |
| [00:01:42] | Lando_C: | hmm yeah |
| [00:02:07] | Lando_C: | tvtime shows me a promising static image |
| [00:02:18] | Lando_C: | hm |
| [00:02:50] | Lando_C: | must find a roll of RF cabel to get the cable jack over to the PC desk |
| [00:02:54] | Lando_C: | BRB |
| [00:02:57] | drussell_: | I suppose you could just record things into Myth on a virtual channel called VCR or something, but you'd still have to split and name your incoming stuff which would probably be easier in a standalone editor.. |
| [00:04:35] | drussell_: | I have TONS of VHSes I'd like to slurp in also (mostly old NASCAR races and such), delete the commercials and archive but haven't got around to even starting so I've never figured out the best way for me yet... |
| [00:05:06] | Lando_C: | yeah, I'll want a different application for "controlled" recordings.. |
| [00:05:20] | Lando_C: | Hey analog IS working now |
| [00:05:24] | Lando_C: | tvtime |
| [00:05:27] | drussell_: | For the races they're usually just 1 per tape so I probably COULD easily just use MythTV to record, commercial flag / edit and transcode them out... |
| [00:05:55] | drussell_: | Then just change the recording from "Unknown" to whatever... |
| [00:06:53] | Lando_C: | there is no sound in analog channels |
| [00:06:56] | Lando_C: | Hmm |
| [00:08:08] | drussell_: | No sound on a tuned channel using the tuner or via the composite/svideo in w/ audio jacks? |
| [00:09:55] | Lando_C: | a tuned channel gives good picture but no sound.. |
| [00:10:32] | Lando_C: | the conexant cx8811 shows up as a separate spund card in alsamixer |
| [00:10:56] | Lando_C: | does that mean I have to get a cable from line out on the tv tuner card to line in on the soundcard? |
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| [00:12:11] | Lando_C: | the card has no 3.5mm jack, just two RCA jacks |
| [00:12:41] | Lando_C: | but they are line in |
| [00:12:44] | Lando_C: | Hm |
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| [00:14:47] | Lando_C: | I have to google the tuner card |
| [00:15:09] | Lando_C: | I am not running any audio server, would that help? |
| [00:19:40] | drussell_: | The card should be bringing the audio into the MPEG encoder and should just work in both instances... Was just curious if you had tried both or if it's the tuner or what... |
| [00:21:41] | drussell_: | If your application correctly configured and was working with sound on the DVB input, you must have the correct output device and such, so it should be working when you switch to the mpeg encoder on the analog side unless the card isn't selecting the correct audio input or something... |
| [00:24:24] | drussell_: | The 2250 has the 2 analog tuners plus 2 composite, 2 s-video and 2 audio line inputs that can be "assigned" to either analog encoder so there's some type of MUX that does all the switching... If your's isn't selecting the right audio input for some reason... hmm that's about all I can think of. |
| [00:25:01] | Lando_C: | well.. |
| [00:25:08] | drussell_: | Totally different chip on these cards but the concept must be the same... |
| [00:25:46] | Lando_C: | I am using "me-tv" for watching DVB channels, and tha has sound. "tvtime" for the analog channels does not give sound |
| [00:26:09] | drussell_: | Ah... perhaps tvtime's audio output isn't configured correctly or somesuch? |
| [00:26:38] | drussell_: | Never used it... |
| [00:27:28] | Lando_C: | if I open alsamixer in a terminal, it shows two soundcards, the built in ATI IXP (C-media), and a conexant CX8811 |
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| [00:27:58] | Lando_C: | The conexant has only two sliders and two switches |
| [00:28:31] | Lando_C: | switch for line in ALC, "analogTV" playback Analog TV capture and aoudio out switch |
| [00:29:59] | drussell_: | I don't know that chip at all, not sure why it would have any standard sound-card-like input or output sound capabilities... Sound needs to go into the MPEG encoder chip on the card to be encoded... Wierd... Again, I know nothing about the specifics that card, sorry.. |
| [00:32:03] | drussell_: | FM radio interface perhaps? |
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| [00:33:01] | drussell_: | Shouldn't need anything for the video inputs to have sound as far as I know... |
| [00:35:52] | Lando_C: | It says it has FM radio in it as well |
| [00:36:13] | Lando_C: | maybe thats the "extra" soundcard tha alsa sees |
| [00:36:15] | drussell_: | Or, is it one of those cards that has a TV out (has a decoder on it also) to decode and play on TV without using thc CPU.? |
| [00:36:55] | Lando_C: | or it might have a internal audio connector for plugging into the soundcard "aux" or "cd" jacks? |
| [00:37:00] | drussell_: | MythTV won't decode on it but the input side should work and you can ignore the audio if that's the case... Still doesn't explain your lack of sound... |
| [00:37:36] | drussell_: | No, it's not like the BrookTree chips... The audio has to get into the MPEG encoder chip on the card to be included in the A/V stream it's making |
| [00:37:41] | Lando_C: | I could run a cable from the VHS to line in on the mainboard soundcard in an emergency |
| [00:38:10] | Lando_C: | but I imagine it would be hard to get that overdubbed with good sync onto the silent vide recording |
| [00:38:18] | drussell_: | Then you'd have to somehow sync up the audio recording and transcode the MPEG to remove the audio and add your second audio stream... |
| [00:38:30] | Lando_C: | I'd need video editing/recoding software ? |
| [00:39:08] | Lando_C: | maybe the tvtime application assumes the BT way of doing it |
| [00:39:14] | drussell_: | I have no idea how you'd do that... :-) Split the MPEG file into two files then re-mux it? You don't have to do all that work, you just need to get the card to select the correct input. |
| [00:39:24] | Lando_C: | yup |
| [00:39:28] | Lando_C: | question is how |
| [00:39:32] | Lando_C: | *googling* |
| [00:39:44] | drussell_: | Try recording something and see if it plays back in VLC or MPLAYER or something |
| [00:40:07] | drussell_: | Or set up MythTV and see if it just works... :-) At least you'll know the card isn't fried and sound works |
| [00:41:53] | drussell_: | It obviously mostly works but there could be something wrong with the audio switching mechanism... |
| [00:44:02] | drussell_: | Oh, I think I see your problem... |
| [00:44:52] | Lando_C: | hmm. will try vlc, google says tvtime is always using the framebuffer mode plus line in.. (and this card will do framebuffer, but not line out |
| [00:45:03] | tonsofpcs: | hi |
| [00:45:14] | drussell_: | how many /dev/video<x> nodes do you have? |
| [00:45:46] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: the antenna I built yesterday. I found a cardboard box to stick it on with screws rather than leaving it on key rings: https://twitter.com/eric_adler/status/298592834511048705/photo/1 |
| [00:46:02] | drussell_: | Yes, that was what I was looking at too... It's using RAW mode... You won't be setting it up in MythTV as a V4L framegrabber, you will be using the IVTV framework and the MPEG encoder on the card... |
| [00:46:19] | tonsofpcs: | I also grabbed a radioshack balun today. |
| [00:47:23] | drussell_: | Lando_C yes, you need to try an app that will use the MPEG encoder not just do some kind of dumb framegrabber mode... (Didn't even know it would do that :-) I told you, I don't know this card...) |
| [00:51:07] | drussell_: | tonsofpcs: I've built several of those bowties, usually a quadruple and usually on a 1x2 or so... Never seen a cardboard version before LOL... Now THAT's low cost... 99c for a balun if you don't have one and some scrap pieces... LOL I love it |
| [00:53:10] | tonsofpcs: | drussell_: well, up until about 10 minutes ago, it didn't even have the cardboard box. $1 balun was held on with keyrings and it was laying flat |
| [00:53:20] | tonsofpcs: | now it's got a $6 radioshack balun |
| [00:53:35] | tonsofpcs: | (I've noticed the $1 baluns tend to suck on the VHF band and we have a relatively low power VHF in town) |
| [00:54:20] | Lando_C: | vlc cant tune, but it does play audio, but chopping |
| [00:54:21] | tonsofpcs: | the one on my myth setup (2x HDHR) is just like this but mounted on a 2x4x2 and floating inside a corrugated cardboard box by the whiskers with a foil reflector on the back of the box |
| [00:54:23] | drussell_: | Wow expensive.. We don't have radio shacks anymore in Canada but the ones I get from the local wholesale electronics distributor have always worked fine for me... |
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| [00:54:51] | Lando_C: | so I can start vlc, watch v4l capture /dev/video0 adn then start tvtime with errors and use that to tune |
| [00:55:00] | Lando_C: | weird |
| [00:55:12] | Lando_C: | still you say I shouldn't use v4l at all? |
| [00:56:46] | drussell_: | Lando_C: Sounds like you have it all working then (just not together).. MythTV will probably "just work" using the IVTV type tuner (not the V4L type) in mythtv-setup... You'll likely actually have less problems with Myth than you're having trying to get the other apps to do what you want :-) |
| [00:57:50] | Lando_C: | this seems very nice. |
| [00:58:15] | drussell_: | Lando_C: When you get to the stage of setting up your tuner cards in mythtv-setup, when you add a card, the top field will select the tuner type... Don't use the first one (V4L framegrabber mode), go a few more to IVTV and you should be good... |
| [00:58:19] | tonsofpcs: | the $6 radioshack baluns are actually worth it. The $1 balun is a. ... philmore package, labelled.... poorly |
| [00:58:30] | Lando_C: | next wuestion: this medaPC has wireless LAn built in (rt2500pci) |
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| [01:00:44] | drussell_: | tonsofpcs: Hey, if it actually works better, then by all means, of course, use it! I just can't imagine how they could screw one up so horribly on the cheap one, but I've seen a lot of seriously crappy stuff lately that I wouldn't have thought it possible to screw up :-) |
| [01:00:45] | Lando_C: | am I better off runnning a wire from the router to the TV shelf (15 meters ) or is 54 Mbps good enough for streaming if I want to watch from some other frontend, such as my desktop PC |
| [01:01:06] | drussell_: | Lando_C: Wired... use wired only... Save yourself the headache |
| [01:01:41] | Lando_C: | hehe, i was suspecting that... its 100M only, no gigabit in sight |
| [01:02:03] | drussell_: | Lando_C: Wireless may be just enough for a remote frontend (say, on a laptop), I use it here, but don't put your main on there too.. |
| [01:02:43] | Lando_C: | so you say put the backend machine on wired ans maybe one client could possibly live on wireless.. |
| [01:03:07] | Lando_C: | streaming to the cellphone from recoded stuff would be nifty though |
| [01:03:50] | drussell_: | Yes... Save your wireless bandwidth for that... It does work if you have good signal... |
| [01:04:42] | Lando_C: | would there be an advantage using the wireless in the mediapc as another accesspoint even, to have 2 available channels/networks in the house |
| [01:04:56] | Lando_C: | i'll get tothet later, though =) |
| [01:05:14] | Lando_C: | to that |
| [01:10:46] | tonsofpcs: | oo! I found a use for a commercial "HDTV Antenna" |
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| [01:11:17] | Lando_C: | which ? |
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| [01:23:44] | tonsofpcs: | drussell_: http://imgur.com/XciXAny << Commercial "HDTV Antenna" has a use :D |
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| [01:32:06] | Lando_C: | Bingo! |
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| [01:32:56] | Lando_C: | drussell_ : it works now. |
| [01:33:12] | Lando_C: | arecord -D hw:1,0 -f dat | aplay |
| [01:33:44] | Lando_C: | pipes the capture of the winTV's built in soundcard to the main soundcard |
| [01:33:46] | Lando_C: | haha |
| [01:34:14] | Lando_C: | so, that command first (with & to put in the background, and then start tvtime =) |
| [01:34:31] | Lando_C: | gives audio to go along with the analog video |
| [01:35:20] | Lando_C: | apparently there is not support in linux for the mpegencoder "yet" so it works exactly like a HVR-1100 instead of a 1300 |
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| [01:37:38] | drussell_: | Lando_C: That only helps you for watching TV with tvtime... If you can't get the MPEG encoder working, it's going to use all your CPU to software encode the raw framegrabber stuff... |
| [01:39:47] | drussell_: | I thought the cx88_blackbird driver worked way back in 2.6.xx kernels... |
| [01:42:20] | drussell_: | Lando_C: The mailing list for MythTV says the MPEG encoder works for the 1300... I'm pretty sure it will work, it's basically the same as the older PVR-150/250/350 chips, I think, and they all work... |
| [01:42:40] | drussell_: | And the 1200/1250/1600/2250 all work... |
| [01:43:06] | drussell_: | Different chip, but your 1300 should work... |
| [01:43:56] | drussell_: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /330414.html and the next two follow up messages seem like he got it working properly... |
| [01:44:41] | Korny2: | Scary to think everything we say will be viewable for al ong time |
| [01:44:57] | drussell_: | Looks like you just need to specify /dev/video1 to get the MPEG encoder instead of the framegrabber on /dev/video0... Check your logs when the cx88_xxx driver loads... |
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| [01:48:52] | Lando_C: | hmm |
| [01:50:31] | drussell_: | Lando_C: I don't think the HVR-2250s support the old framegrabber mode, I only have 4 /dev/video devices for two dual cards, not 8... Do you see a /dev/video1? |
| [01:54:06] | drussell_: | Lando_C: Perhaps you forgot to add the firmware file for the MPEG encoder but the other drivers work, just the blackbird driver isn't loading? |
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| [01:56:01] | Lando_C: | firmware? that might be it |
| [01:56:19] | Lando_C: | is tath packaged in medibuntu? |
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| [01:57:46] | Lando_C: | I do have /dev/video0 and video1 |
| [02:00:18] | drussell_: | If you have dev/video1, it must already have the firmware file or it wouldn't have created /dev/video1... |
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| [02:00:50] | drussell_: | It should work fine in mythtv as IVTV as long as you specify /dev/video1 instead of /dev/video0 |
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| [02:02:48] | drussell_: | That was the problem for the guy I quoted on the mailing list... Using the framegrabber output of the card for mpeg MythTV input or vice versa isn't going to work... |
| [02:03:41] | drussell_: | Once you get to the mythtv-setup stage, I'm quite certain it will just work for you... |
| [02:06:21] | Lando_C: | ok, I'll install the mythtv packages now |
| [02:06:39] | Lando_C: | afer reboot, i just installed loinux-firmware-nonfree |
| [02:07:02] | Lando_C: | (which says it has firmware mostly for tv tuner cards.. and is neede for the usb dvb sticks anyway |
| [02:07:11] | Lando_C: | be back after reboot |
| [02:07:17] | drussell_: | Lando_C: Like I said before, sounds like you're having more difficulty with external apps than you will with MythTV in this case... :-) A nice situation to be in |
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| [02:09:45] | Lando_C: | back |
| [02:09:46] | wagnerrp: | drussell_: as i understand it, no IVTV tuners ever worked with tvtime |
| [02:10:06] | wagnerrp: | even the older ones that had functional framegrabber output were using a frame encoding that tvtime did not support |
| [02:10:47] | Lando_C: | tvtime does work with the v4l framegrabber, just no audio, |
| [02:11:58] | wagnerrp: | i'm saying it never worked with the PVR-150/250/350 cards |
| [02:12:13] | Lando_C: | ah |
| [02:12:29] | Lando_C: | well it seems I'm ready to try out myth.. |
| [02:12:38] | Lando_C: | *launching synaptic* |
| [02:12:50] | drussell_: | Moment of truth :-) |
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| [02:14:12] | drussell_: | wagnerrp: Yes, I have never tried tvtime but a quick google search showed it doesn't do MPEG which is what made me realize he was in framegrabber mode and then the lack of audio made sense... |
| [02:15:19] | drussell_: | Once he has the card configured to do MPEG output into MythTV, the audio should be in the stream without issue, I'd expect... |
| [02:15:29] | wagnerrp: | i really need to get my backend to stop busfaulting |
| [02:15:44] | Lando_C: | downloading packages |
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| [02:17:19] | drussell_: | wagnerrp: I did get the latest 0.26-fixes to compile on FreeBSD, BTW... It was a library issue as you suggested... It works, but my FRONTend is segfaulting all over the place.. Are your BE problems on FreeBSD? |
| [02:17:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah, something that sprouted up about a month ago on the development version |
| [02:18:03] | wagnerrp: | i only get a couple hours of use out of it |
| [02:18:19] | drussell_: | wagnerrp: My backend process seems fine, but trying to start playback of a video dies about 20% of the time and end of recording back to watch screen dies almost every time... |
| [02:18:34] | wagnerrp: | i'm pretty sure it's something to do with the web server |
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| [02:20:55] | drussell_: | I think I built with debug and unstripped the last time... I should fire it up in gdb |
| [02:23:38] | drussell_: | Your frontend is fine, though? Oh, wait... you don't use the frontend on the BSD machine.. |
| [02:24:42] | Lando_C: | how about tvout on a geforce fx 5500 |
| [02:25:07] | wagnerrp: | you have a FX5500 that is even still functional? |
| [02:25:09] | Lando_C: | nvtv requires the binary driver, right? |
| [02:25:20] | Lando_C: | it's what is in the box |
| [02:25:22] | drussell_: | Lando_C: Not sure... I think that 5200 is over at the office... couldn't find it to test |
| [02:25:24] | wagnerrp: | that card hasn't been supported by nvidia for like 5 years |
| [02:25:40] | Lando_C: | building a media PC from scrap-crate parts |
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| [02:25:54] | Lando_C: | driver version 96 ? |
| [02:26:03] | wagnerrp: | well it's not like you can really do better on an AGP board |
| [02:26:21] | drussell_: | The 4150 or whatever it is built into the Nvidia chipset on one of my Athlon machines' TV outs works, though... (SVideo/Composite) |
| [02:26:33] | Lando_C: | there is a 6200A /TD here as well, but the 5500 came in the machine |
| [02:26:53] | Lando_C: | how does one setup tvput nowadays? |
| [02:26:57] | Lando_C: | tvout |
| [02:27:01] | wagnerrp: | usually, they don't |
| [02:27:05] | wagnerrp: | they use HDMI |
| [02:27:09] | drussell_: | lol |
| [02:27:12] | ** Korny2 knew had to upgrade laptops when ubuntu stop supporting his mobile video card in the latest drivers ** | |
| [02:27:21] | wagnerrp: | it's tough to even find a video card with analog television outputs |
| [02:27:39] | Lando_C: | I have at least four options here |
| [02:27:40] | wagnerrp: | some of the GT2xx series had them, but you usually have to go back to an 8000 or 9000 series card |
| [02:27:44] | drussell_: | Some of us don't have all fancy flat screens... I don't have a single monitor or TV here right now with an HDMI in... Old school :-) |
| [02:27:53] | wagnerrp: | DVI? VGA? |
| [02:28:24] | Lando_C: | FX5500, 6200A, matrox MX400 Gforce2mx, FX5200 |
| [02:28:39] | drussell_: | Nope.. One of my TVs is still my 1986 RCA wood console |
| [02:28:46] | Lando_C: | all have dvi+vga+svideo or composite |
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| [02:29:18] | Lando_C: | this machine will play on a 32 inch 4:3 CRT |
| [02:29:52] | Korny2: | You know for the energy that uses you culd upgrade to a 32" lcd and pay it off in a couple of years lol |
| [02:30:04] | drussell_: | It draws less than 100W |
| [02:30:47] | Korny2: | our bill went down 10 bucks a month when I replaced my hitachi 52" with a 55" led |
| [02:31:13] | drussell_: | It's only a 28" but actually not too bad on power use, surprisingly... My 20" Sony trinitron draws more |
| [02:31:22] | wagnerrp: | 52" rear projection crt? |
| [02:31:27] | Korny2: | yes |
| [02:31:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, those things were power hogs |
| [02:35:05] | drussell_: | All the rest of the monitors I have here is analog VGA only... Don't think I even have one with DVI lying around right now... LOL.. 20 or 30 CRTs and a couple small LCDs lying around but can't bring myself to actually buy anything newer yet... If it ain't broke don't fix it, I guess... Or maybe I'm just too cheap... Eventually I'll get myself a nice big flatscreen :-) |
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| [02:39:02] | Korny2: | drussell_, you sound like a monitor hoarder |
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| [02:41:49] | drussell_: | Korny2: Yeah, I should get rid of some of the crappy ones I've ended up with over the years taking back when people upgraded with new PCs or whatever but I've still got a whole bunch of nice CRTs.. Excellent picture, high res... Use them mostly on the test bench while working on machines or on my various servers instead of KVM switches... |
| [02:44:25] | drussell_: | I have 8 PCs powered up right this second in the house... THATS what kills my power bill :-) Only one monitor on right now... This one... |
| [02:44:57] | drussell_: | And, two of them have external SCSI drive arrays that suck back way too much juice... |
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| [02:45:45] | drussell_: | At least it makes my heating bill (natural gas) less in the winter LOL |
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| [02:49:23] | Korny2: | My server sucks dwon the power Hostname: Snoopy – OS: Linux 3.2.0-37-generic/x86_64 – Distro: Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS – CPU: 6 x AMD Phenom II X6 1055T (2800.000 MHz) – Processes: 336 – Uptime: 2d 11h 35m – Users: 4 – Load Average: 12.80 – Memory Usage: 4450.70MB/15544.70MB (28.63%) – Disk Usage: 9286.98GB/16566.60GB (56.06% |
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| [03:16:27] | tomjoad440: | Does anyone know if a frontend will read directly from a Storage group instead of going through a backend? I would like to have some mythtv storage on a nas but do not want the double network traffic of the backend reading from the nas then sending the same data to the frontend. |
| [03:17:27] | Korny2: | tomjoad440, I don' tthink you understand how a storage group works |
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| [03:20:03] | tomjoad440: | Don't they allow backends that both have the same paths as defined in a storage group direct access to the files in a storage group? |
| [03:20:29] | tomjoad440: | I was hoping the same capability was available to the frontends |
| [03:21:06] | Korny2: | With storage groups I believe all bandwidth goes through the server.... Are you not running a gigabit network? |
| [03:21:41] | wagnerrp: | the frontend will read from the filesystem, if it can find the file in the location it expects the file to be |
| [03:21:42] | tomjoad440: | yes. |
| [03:21:56] | wagnerrp: | if not, it will stream from the backend that recorded the file |
| [03:22:03] | Korny2: | But thats not a storage group :P |
| [03:22:10] | ** Korny2 was being literal :( ** | |
| [03:23:56] | tomjoad440: | Without using storage groups will a frontend attempt to read a file directly from the filesystem if it is in the same path as on the backend? |
| [03:24:59] | wagnerrp: | without using storage groups? how would you not use storage groups? |
| [03:25:08] | wagnerrp: | that's how storage is configured in mythtv |
| [03:25:15] | wagnerrp: | there is no other way to do it |
| [03:26:53] | drussell_: | tomjoad440: If you mount them in the same places on the frontend machine that they are configured on the backend it will read them "locally" if it finds them before streaming them from the backend... Correct, wagnerrp? |
| [03:27:03] | wagnerrp: | correct |
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| [03:27:23] | ronny_: | _C |
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| [03:27:29] | tomjoad440: | Ok thanks for the clarification. I don't know what I was thinking, I thought storage groups were a new thing |
| [03:27:36] | Lando_C: | hmmmmm |
| [03:27:41] | drussell_: | Lando_C: No mention of the 5500 (but does list the 6200), and the page is almost assuredly way out of date, but it looks like at least at one point in history the TV out worked according to: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/TV_Out The 6200 may be your best bet after all as it looks like it's supported by the latest series NVidia drivers instead of having to go back to the 173.xx or 96.xx or whatever but the new driver might even st |
| [03:27:41] | drussell_: | ill see the 5500 too, not sure.. |
| [03:27:47] | wagnerrp: | storage groups have been used for recordings storage since... 0.20? 0.21? |
| [03:27:55] | wagnerrp: | they were added to the video library in 0.22 |
| [03:27:59] | wagnerrp: | we're now on 0.26 |
| [03:28:11] | tomjoad440: | I think I'm on 0.25 |
| [03:28:33] | tomjoad440: | I thought with 0.25 there was something new with storage groups, was that maybe just for the MythVideo? |
| [03:28:45] | wagnerrp: | nope, nothing new |
| [03:29:01] | wagnerrp: | MythVideo is no longer MythVideo (it's no longer a plugin) |
| [03:29:06] | wagnerrp: | it's just the Video Library |
| [03:29:14] | wagnerrp: | and as mentioned, it transitioned to storage groups in 0.22 |
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| [03:30:25] | tomjoad440: | I still have my frontend's configured with the Video being configured with paths directly |
| [03:30:55] | wagnerrp: | i'll make sure to fix that before 0.27 |
| [03:31:01] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:32:22] | Korny2: | Fix the 1 time recording not getting released bug first! |
| [03:32:38] | Korny2: | err not getting deleted |
| [03:32:53] | wagnerrp: | meh, cosmetic issue... :P |
| [03:33:29] | Korny2: | Only if you don't have a wife who presses the record button :( |
| [03:33:35] | Lando_C: | ok, now I run mythtv-setup |
| [03:33:50] | Lando_C: | very many confusing options |
| [03:34:38] | wagnerrp: | if you don't understand it, don't touch it |
| [03:35:33] | Lando_C: | very annoying that for starters it doesnt show the mousepointer in the interface |
| [03:35:48] | drussell_: | Lando_C: MythTV doesn't really have mouse support... |
| [03:35:51] | Korny2: | tab tab tab |
| [03:35:53] | wagnerrp: | so use the keyboard |
| [03:35:56] | Lando_C: | haha ok |
| [03:35:58] | Korny2: | lol |
| [03:36:02] | wagnerrp: | or... --mouse-cursor |
| [03:36:03] | Lando_C: | well I can click around blindly |
| [03:36:05] | drussell_: | Lando_C: Navagate with arrows and tabs :-) |
| [03:36:52] | Lando_C: | mythtv-setup --mouse-cursor worked |
| [03:37:05] | Lando_C: | general: |
| [03:37:12] | Lando_C: | PAL, PAL teletext |
| [03:37:31] | drussell_: | Lando_C: That really only works in various menus... Most navigation in Myth it's probably better to just ignore the mouse... |
| [03:37:32] | Lando_C: | trry all frequencies |
| [03:38:27] | ** wagnerrp goes back to trying to figure out the purpose of PrivUdpSocket ** | |
| [03:38:39] | wagnerrp: | jya: you around? |
| [03:38:46] | [R]: | wagnerrp: create a priveledged udp socket! |
| [03:38:48] | Lando_C: | new capture card.. |
| [03:39:00] | Lando_C: | drussell: you suggested using ivtv? |
| [03:39:10] | tomjoad440: | \ [R] that'd be my guess |
| [03:39:27] | wagnerrp: | [R]: more likely 'private', since it's contained within the .cpp and has no reference in the .h |
| [03:39:42] | [R]: | well thats lame... whats the point of a private socket |
| [03:40:00] | wagnerrp: | that's what she said... |
| [03:40:05] | wagnerrp: | damned exhibitionist... |
| [03:40:20] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:40:45] | drussell_: | Lando_C: Yes, it's just called "MPEG-2 encoder card" now I think... The third one... after the Matrox framegrabber cards, I think |
| [03:41:43] | drussell_: | Lando_C: then device /dev/video1 and vbi /dev/vbi1 probably... That should show your card in Probed Info: |
| [03:45:30] | Lando_C: | it does show up as hauppage hvr 1300 blackbird |
| [03:45:43] | Lando_C: | now scanning for channels |
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| [03:46:53] | drussell_: | Lando_C: Channel scanning may not work... It doesn't here for me on the 2250... We were just discussing that earlier this afternoon as someone was having problems with another card, but the 1300 may work |
| [03:47:09] | Lando_C: | well in tvtime it can scan |
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| [03:47:22] | Lando_C: | adn in me-tv it could scan fo dvb |
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| [03:47:41] | Lando_C: | failed to find any channels |
| [03:47:44] | drussell_: | Lando_C: It would be a mythtv problem... The DVB scan works for me on the 2250, just not analog... |
| [03:47:54] | Lando_C: | d'oh. |
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| [03:48:27] | drussell_: | Lando_C: Yes, drats... Try manually adding a channel using the channel editor to test it, perhaps... |
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| [03:50:29] | drussell_: | Lando_C: And be sure you're on the correct frequency table... I'd avoid "try all", personally... Where are you? Probably europe-something would be correct.. |
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| [03:52:23] | drussell_: | Lando_C: If you manually add a channel, be sure to fill in the top field on page 3 "Frequency or Channel" with the channel number you're trying to tune.. Like 3 or E3 or whatever depending on locale |
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| [03:54:24] | drussell_: | Lando_C: In North America we can grab our channel list from the scheduling data at Schedules Direct, so there's an easy workaround... Can't think of an easy way to grab them automatically if it doesn't scan.. I guess this needs to be fixed... :-) |
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| [04:09:57] | Lando_C: | the LAN cable had slipped out, which means the system changed IP nu,mber... |
| [04:10:07] | Lando_C: | (switched to elan automagically) |
| [04:10:11] | Lando_C: | wlan even |
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| [04:26:30] | drussell_: | Lando_C: In North America we can grab our channel list from the scheduling data at Schedules Direct, so there's an easy workaround... Can't think of an easy way to grab them automatically if it doesn't scan.. |
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| [04:56:18] | drussell_: | wagnerrp: Well, that time I got a bus error instead of a segfault... That's new... Not sure what I can do about this except go back to my 0.26 release version for now until we find the cause of these segfaults (if yours and mine are even related, that is...) |
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| [04:59:28] | wagnerrp: | drussell_: running 0.27? |
| [05:00:26] | drussell_: | wagnerrp: no, 0.26-fixes |
| [05:02:53] | wagnerrp: | huh... never saw any issues prior to several weeks back on master |
| [05:03:01] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if the change was backported to fixes as well |
| [05:03:20] | drussell_: | That's what I was thinking... |
| [05:03:35] | wagnerrp: | do you see a bunch of socket errors from ssdp.cpp? |
| [05:04:53] | drussell_: | No, don't think I recall seeing anything from ssdp.cpp |
| [05:05:30] | drussell_: | when would they show up? |
| [05:05:47] | wagnerrp: | always |
| [05:05:54] | wagnerrp: | they're flooding my logs |
| [05:08:51] | drussell_: | grepped my backend logs and not there, been running frontend in a terminal all the time without logging (stupid me) so can't search but certainly not flooding me, that must be 0.27 only |
| [05:09:32] | drussell_: | My backend is fine, though... so it may not be related at all, but it's very strange. |
| [05:12:26] | drussell_: | They both seemed to have started about the same time and nothing else on the system has changed... older versions of the source still make good versions here (from a segfault perspective) but lack some of the features and fixes I want.... hate to have to try to work backwards and see where it breaks |
| [05:13:58] | wagnerrp: | i need to modify my init script to make it dump core files |
| [05:14:50] | jya: | wagnerrp: my recollection for udp socket is because Qt makes a Udp socket works in a similar fashion as Udp, you "bind" them… otherwise you won't receive data on the incoming port... |
| [05:15:05] | jya: | so there's a private udp socket for that purpose |
| [05:15:24] | wagnerrp: | it's still binding to the normal QHostAddress |
| [05:15:54] | wagnerrp: | PrivUdpSocket just adds some code that scans the QNetworkAddressEntry lists, and stores it inside the socket |
| [05:16:08] | jya: | the privudp socket has always been there, before I fixed all the issues related to listening |
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| [05:17:12] | jya: | which file is it again? |
| [05:17:31] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/cgit/mythtv/tree/mytht . . . ool.cpp#n450 |
| [05:17:46] | jya: | ah yes.. I remember... |
| [05:18:17] | jya: | to send data, for it to be received by the remote listener, it must be sent by the Udp socket bound to that address |
| [05:18:31] | jya: | if you use any udp socket to send, it won't be received |
| [05:19:42] | jya: | so when we listen on a port (bind), a udp socket is created for that interface. |
| [05:19:58] | drussell_: | I am getting some strange QT error once in a while about not handling an exception thrown from an event handler but that's probably a different problem |
| [05:21:05] | wagnerrp: | oh... i get it |
| [05:21:22] | wagnerrp: | so when you use ServerPool::writeDatagram, it can make sure you're sending out through the correct one |
| [05:21:27] | wagnerrp: | gotcha |
| [05:22:12] | wagnerrp: | i'm reworking that chunk of code to have a full list of all addresses on the system, to address #11393 |
| [05:22:12] | ** MythLogBot http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/11393 ** | |
| [05:22:25] | wagnerrp: | and didn't understand what that section was doing |
| [05:23:25] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [05:23:38] | jya: | and to send, we must use the udp socket that was created for that address |
| [05:23:46] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [05:27:19] | jya: | that was the issue earlier on… there use to be a generic udp socket for sending, and plenty of sockets for receiving |
| [05:27:56] | jya: | for some reasons, if you send using the generic, you never receive anything on the one "bound" to an address |
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| [05:29:15] | jya: | i think the commit where I introduced that array of UdpSocket and how it was used, the commit log is quite comprehensive |
| [05:29:52] | wagnerrp: | "Also, fix the issue where no messages could be received on UDP bound sockets initiated from ServerPool" |
| [05:30:09] | jya: | that's it? no more? |
| [05:30:20] | wagnerrp: | 34c46f1933e3480b |
| [05:30:40] | jya: | yeah, I'm looking at it |
| [05:30:55] | jya: | The IDE I use (XCode) shows me a blame list on the side |
| [05:31:00] | jya: | it's all a click away |
| [05:32:20] | jya: | oh well, the code is so brilliantly written that it's self explanatory :) |
| [05:33:34] | wagnerrp: | well this commit will also end up removing the single ip restriction, as well as the need for those settings to even exist in the first place |
| [05:33:52] | wagnerrp: | (i.e. backends will autoconfigure) |
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| [06:11:48] | jya: | all that not to simply allow 0.0.0.0 as listening address due to the combined use of listening address and address used by the frontend to connect |
| [06:17:01] | wagnerrp: | even then, we would need to listen on 0.0.0.0 and :: |
| [06:17:32] | wagnerrp: | and then you get into trouble with differently configured systems behaving differently in that manner |
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| [07:13:29] | wagnerrp: | drussell_: seems my problems have something to do with the autoexpirer |
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| [07:21:51] | davey486: | Can someonme help me setup a remote |
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| [07:21:59] | davey486: | please... |
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| [17:32:45] | GreatEmerald: | I'm trying to set up a new MythTV installation, but whenever I try to add my TV tuner into mythtv-setup, I get the "fe_get_info ioctl failed" error |
| [17:33:18] | GreatEmerald: | The device does exist, though: "crw-rw----+ 1 root video 212, 3 Vas 5 13:58 /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0" |
| [17:33:40] | GreatEmerald: | So what can be causing opening it to fail? |
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| [17:35:45] | wagnerrp: | when you run mythtv-setup, what user are you running it as? |
| [17:36:09] | GreatEmerald: | I tried with both my regular user and root, same result |
| [17:36:32] | wagnerrp: | any chance something else is already running and has that tuner locked? |
| [17:37:31] | GreatEmerald: | Hardly, as I have just now installed MythTV, and there is no reason for anything else to have it open |
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| [17:43:07] | GreatEmerald: | Yea, lsof shows that nothing is using it |
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| [18:11:12] | GreatEmerald: | Aha, so running "femon -H" made MythTV recognise the card |
| [18:33:14] | GreatEmerald: | How do I scan for channels, if I don't have any frequencies listed anywhere? Is there a way to simply tell it to scan everything? |
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| [19:38:28] | GreatEmerald: | Hmm, I ended up writing a small D program for creating a dvbscan config file that makes it probe all channels with a step of 8 MHz, and it found all the channels |
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| [19:52:08] | Korny: | Anyone here want a laugh? |
| [19:52:11] | Korny: | root[1]: <McFuzz> wiped /lib <kevin123> do svn up <McFuzz> yo udont understand <McFuzz> i wiped /lib <kevin123> ok the linux lib folder <McFuzz> yeahhhhh |
| [19:52:54] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA |
| [19:53:10] | wagnerrp: | that's a prime example of when to go home and try again |
| [19:53:46] | Korny: | he was logged in as root |
| [19:55:28] | wagnerrp: | logged in as? not su'd as? |
| [19:55:54] | Korny: | logged in as, not su |
| [19:56:04] | Korny: | Thats what makes it even funnier |
| [19:56:15] | wagnerrp: | on the local text terminal? hopefully not into the DE... |
| [19:56:36] | wagnerrp: | i mean like, that was his normal user account? |
| [19:56:56] | Korny: | like he logged in as root on a local machine |
| [19:57:30] | Korny: | I'm tinkering with a usernet indexer and some of the tmux scripts run as root |
| [19:57:44] | Korny: | however he was to lazy to type sudo so instead just logged in as root |
| [19:58:08] | wagnerrp: | if it's his own machine, using sudo is just dumb |
| [19:58:50] | ** Korny still uses sudo on his own box, but mainly because I don't trust myself ** | |
| [19:59:08] | wagnerrp: | it doesn't matter whether or not you trust yourself |
| [19:59:15] | wagnerrp: | you have full access to everything through sudo |
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| [19:59:26] | wagnerrp: | and it's not like you're using it to log your own actions |
| [19:59:48] | wagnerrp: | you use sudo because you want to restrict people, not because you want to give them access to things |
| [20:00:50] | neufeld: | The only time I ever run sudo, in virtual machines with Linux distributions installed, I invoke it as "sudo bash". I consider root a state you become to do maintenance, not a keyhole you throw commands through. |
| [20:01:10] | wagnerrp: | how is that different than just running 'su'? |
| [20:01:33] | wagnerrp: | other than the fact that you use a different password to do so |
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| [20:01:47] | neufeld: | wagnerrp: not different, if it's available. Some distributions are difficult to get at the innards. I use 'su' on my own boxes. |
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| [20:03:31] | bas-t: | the only benefit of sudo imo is that you can do without a root password, thus decreasing the risk of intrusion from the outside |
| [20:03:51] | neufeld: | I find a lot of distributions seem to install with unmatchable root password hashes. Yeah, I could run passwd on it to fix root's password, but I've got enough passwords to remember without also keeping track of root passwords on a dozen virtual machines. |
| [20:04:42] | neufeld: | bas-t: if I guess your root password, I can get root on your box without any other passwords. If I guess your user password, I can get sudo on your box without any other passwords. |
| [20:04:52] | neufeld: | I don't have sudo installed on "real" machines. |
| [20:05:37] | bas-t: | neufeld: but you first have to guess my username, extra step |
| [20:05:58] | neufeld: | bas-t: well, that's true |
| [20:06:29] | wagnerrp: | bas-t: from a security standpoint, it really makes no difference |
| [20:06:33] | neufeld: | anyway, I don't believe in network-facing passwords at all. My sshd is set up to permit only key-based logins. There is no valid password that will log in from the outside. |
| [20:07:04] | wagnerrp: | oh, you're talking about remote SSH attacks |
| [20:07:35] | wagnerrp: | i don't allow root to SSH anywhere anyway |
| [20:07:58] | neufeld: | Yes. If the user has physical presence, passwords are mostly an inconvenience unless you've gone to great lengths. Of, and of course, no root inbound ssh. |
| [20:08:36] | neufeld: | I still get a dozen or so Fail2Ban actions for ssh attacks daily. |
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| [20:26:16] | Korny: | wagnerrp, I have a question |
| [20:26:28] | wagnerrp: | i have an answer |
| [20:27:29] | Korny: | I've wondered this since I migrated from sagetv... With sagetv if multiple front ends were watching the same show, it would only create 1 tuner hit |
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| [20:27:46] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not have the ability to share livetv sessions |
| [20:28:00] | Korny: | Well I know that, my question is why |
| [20:28:09] | Korny: | is it just because of the way its setup |
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| [20:28:21] | wagnerrp: | no one ever programmed it to behave in that manner |
| [20:28:52] | Oleg_: | NickServ is suddenly gone on this irc server? |
| [20:29:00] | Korny: | it was a nice feature to have, if a user joined an already in progress live recording you would get the option to start from the beginning or current |
| [20:29:20] | Korny: | Now I know the same can be accomplished by recording it |
| [20:29:25] | neufeld: | I guess another front end ought to be able to enter the live TV recording group and view the in-progress recording, but they're at the mercy of the other frontend, who could tune away from it, ending the stream |
| [20:29:33] | tgm4883: | Korny, I think the words wagnerrp is looking for is "patches welcome" |
| [20:29:53] | wagnerrp: | neufeld: ideally, the other frontend would switch to the next available tuner |
| [20:29:57] | Korny: | I'm not complaining I'm just letting you know features I missed is all |
| [20:30:11] | wagnerrp: | similar to how when two users are accessing the same multiplex on the same physical tuner, that physical tuner is locked |
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| [20:30:39] | wagnerrp: | it would just be extending that concept to the livetv chain itself |
| [20:30:40] | tgm4883: | Korny, right, i'm complaining. There are far too many people that say "This is how it should work" and not enough people that say "this is how it should work, and here is a patch" |
| [20:30:50] | wagnerrp: | ^^^ |
| [20:30:52] | tgm4883: | sphery has a good rant on that |
| [20:31:17] | wagnerrp: | that's not an idea that hasn't been suggested tons of times |
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| [20:31:29] | wagnerrp: | it's just an idea that no one has spent the time to put into practice |
| [20:31:32] | jams: | Korny, that feature was started on..but never made it out of the devs private branch. Ran out of time, kids, moving life got in the way |
| [20:31:35] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, exactly |
| [20:32:04] | GreatEmerald: | This is odd, I seem to have hit another issue. I imported the channels.conf from dvbscan, MythTV verified it, checked which channels are encrypted and all, found 60 unencrypted out of 171 in total. |
| [20:32:13] | GreatEmerald: | Then it asked if I want to add the TV channels, I said yes to all. |
| [20:32:21] | GreatEmerald: | Then it asked if I want to add the radio channels, I said yes to all. |
| [20:32:22] | wagnerrp: | jams: sounds like a crazy capt'm project |
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| [20:32:30] | GreatEmerald: | Then it asked if I wanted to delete unused transports (171 of them, IIRC). Whatever I select there, the result is the same – no channels are actually registered... |
| [20:32:36] | jams: | it was |
| [20:32:47] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [20:32:49] | Korny: | tgm4883, if I had the knowledge I would gladly help, but sadly I don't. Kids+ jobs = busy But overal I enjoy myth and have no complaints |
| [20:33:18] | GreatEmerald: | I can't select anything in the "default channel", and the channel editor shows that it's all empty... |
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| [20:43:26] | GreatEmerald: | Hmm, looking at the log, it looks like the dtv_multiplex table did not get written correctly, its "sistandard" for some reason is NULL |
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| [20:51:38] | GreatEmerald: | Aha, running a full transport scan made it add the channels correctly |
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| [23:56:57] | TandyUK: | hey guys, help... i have a pvr-500 which im using the composite video/left/right inputs in order to record old vcrs to mpg |
| [23:57:12] | TandyUK: | however i am not getting any sound |
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| [23:57:54] | TandyUK: | ive played around with various old posts (from 0.22 era) but nothing gives any sound andi cant find any more up to date info |
| [23:58:01] | TandyUK: | anyone have any expeisnce with this? |
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