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| [02:32:10] | Korny2: | evening |
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| [06:42:16] | Korny2: | Is it hard to force a mythtv frontend to a specific monitor? |
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| [06:43:10] | Korny2: | I'm thinking about putting a real video card in my backend and using it for a TV our theatre room |
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| [08:59:30] | tank-man: | Korny2, you can use "mythfrontend" with the "--geometry" switch to make it show up on a specific monitor |
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| [11:36:24] | antgel_: | hi people. my parents' mythtv box needs a retune, as they are telling me some channels are missing. i guess that's the DVB-T and DVB-S operators (in .uk) moving things around. is there anything i should be aware of before doing a channel scan? their current setup was meticulously prepared, including which channels (many!) to hide from the list etc |
| [11:36:44] | antgel_: | basically i don't want to overwrite stuff, just to pull in the new / changed channels |
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| [12:22:41] | antgel_: | hi people. my parents' mythtv box needs a retune, as they are telling me some channels are missing. i guess that's the DVB-T and DVB-S operators (in .uk) moving things around. is there anything i should be aware of before doing a channel scan? their current setup was meticulously prepared, including which channels (many!) to hide from the list etc |
| [12:22:46] | antgel_: | basically i don't want to overwrite stuff, just to pull in the new / changed channels |
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| [14:32:26] | Cantoliv67: | hi everybody |
| [14:34:55] | Cantoliv67: | my TNT radio recording includes videos stream (unusefully). Perhaps, a little configuration tips to escape the unusefull video. |
| [14:35:26] | Cantoliv67: | Thx anyway for your answers |
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| [14:45:28] | wagnerrp: | if you TV channels carry a video stream (as most do), there's no way to tell mythtv to ignore that video |
| [14:45:37] | wagnerrp: | mythtv records whatever gets broadcast |
| [14:46:03] | wagnerrp: | if you wish, you can run a user job after the recording to strip the video track, leaving only the audio |
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| [14:49:04] | Cantoliv67: | there's no video stream on radio channels, it pick the video stream of an other channel. this make huge file 1.2 GB / hour instead of 140 MB (nearly 10x). |
| [14:51:21] | Cantoliv67: | I've the problem on 0.24 and try on 0.26, same results. |
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| [15:01:18] | Cantoliv67: | In recording profiles, i've created a "Radio" profile under both (Hardware Encoder, DVB Encoder and Transcoder) with Recording type : Audio only. when defining a new recording, i don't see it in recording profile combo, only in transcodeur combo |
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| [15:40:51] | antgel_: | hi all, i'm having some problems going from 0.24 to 0.26. i know mysql.txt isn't used anymore, and i have a config.xml but it's not working – it is looking for DBHostName but that is already set |
| [15:40:55] | antgel_: | i'll pastebin in a sec |
| [15:41:23] | antgel_: | by the way, if user mythtv starts mythbackend, does it use ~mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml or /etc/mythtv/config.xml? |
| [15:42:07] | wagnerrp: | it uses ${MYTHCONFDIR}/config.xml, falling back to ${HOME}/.mythtv/config.xml if MYTHCONFDIR is not set |
| [15:45:29] | antgel_: | wagnerrp: hi, thanks for responding. i'm getting somewhere – i had the old config.xml format. now with the new field names i get a bit further |
| [15:45:58] | wagnerrp: | mythtv should automatically convert the file from the old format to the new |
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| [15:49:08] | antgel_: | wagnerrp: thanks, also had some permissions issue on mythconverg db. now updating schema :) \o/ |
| [15:49:46] | wagnerrp: | you moved your master backend to a new machine? |
| [15:50:05] | wagnerrp: | or you just recovered your database from a dump and never re-created the permissions? |
| [15:50:54] | antgel_: | wagnerrp: neither, but it's working. the bad news is that the backend is segfaulting at the end of startup :-O |
| [15:59:00] | antgel_: | right, i guess i'll have to abandon christian's debian packages and build my own, see if that is any better |
| [15:59:04] | antgel_: | what a crock |
| [16:00:23] | antgel_: | i have my 0.24-fixes in git, so i should just be able to grab 0.26-fixes |
| [16:02:25] | wagnerrp: | well, you don't "grab" anything |
| [16:02:27] | wagnerrp: | you already have it |
| [16:02:35] | wagnerrp: | just 'git checkout fixes/0.26' |
| [16:03:05] | wagnerrp: | git is not like svn. if you have a copy, you have the whole repository |
| [16:03:24] | antgel_: | wagnerrp: yes, i had to do a git fetch first, that's all :) |
| [16:03:36] | wagnerrp: | git fetch? or git pull? |
| [16:03:37] | antgel_: | bad terminology by me |
| [16:03:53] | antgel_: | i did a git fetch, seemed to do the job |
| [16:04:04] | wagnerrp: | you use fetch to grab from one particular upstream repository |
| [16:04:11] | wagnerrp: | usually, you use 'git pull' |
| [16:04:36] | wagnerrp: | 'fetch' is a low level command that most people should never need |
| [16:05:13] | antgel_: | oops. thanks |
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| [16:05:48] | wagnerrp: | i think the actually difference is that 'pull' updates your local checkout, while 'fetch' just updates the repository |
| [16:05:54] | wagnerrp: | but don't quote me on that |
| [16:07:42] | antgel_: | as i remember, one does a merge afterwards. but i don't have anything to merge |
| [16:07:48] | antgel_: | so yep :) |
| [16:07:54] | antgel_: | anyway trying to build 0.26 now |
| [16:10:39] | antgel_: | --compile-type=debug |
| [16:16:55] | bas-t: | fetch yust updates the remote branch within your local repo without merging or committing anything. so after fetch you can happily cherry-pick and so on |
| [16:17:39] | bas-t: | that should be: remote repo |
| [16:17:47] | bas-t: | not branch |
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| [16:19:20] | antgel_: | eek, this is not good. compile error at http://pastebin.com/Lxyc7NDG. appreciate any assistance |
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| [16:25:27] | antgel_: | think a make distclean fixed it |
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| [16:43:59] | tonsofpcs: | so, last night I had scheduled to record a number of shows... all of the shows from a specific TS show as recorded with durations and metadata but they list a file size of "B" on mythweb... They can't be played back. |
| [16:44:43] | tonsofpcs: | I stand corrected, all from that TS *after* 9pm; until 8pm it was fine. |
| [16:46:45] | tgm4883: | tonsofpcs, what happened during the 8:00 to 9:00 hour that caused all your recordings to fail? |
| [16:46:52] | tonsofpcs: | there was some bad weather in the region last night but not enough that it should have affected this channel. Is there a way to see what tuner/device this 'recording' came from so I can troubleshoot hardware? |
| [16:47:07] | tgm4883: | hmm |
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| [16:48:23] | tonsofpcs: | ah, got it |
| [16:48:30] | tonsofpcs: | it's "cardid #, sourceid #" in the logs |
| [16:49:09] | tonsofpcs: | so 1–1... same as the 7p and 7:30p records... |
| [16:50:05] | tonsofpcs: | see, if it were a weather thing, I would expect some data during those 2 hours unless there's some issue with how the HDHomeRuns tune that you can't tell them to pid/program select until they lock... |
| [16:51:01] | antgel_: | okay, so my own-build doesn't segfault. that's good news. next, to see why it can't find my PCI tuners (4:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0). there has been a big kernel upgrade as well... |
| [16:52:01] | tonsofpcs: | modules needed? |
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| [16:54:20] | uffe_: | hello! Using mythtv 0.26, I'm having trouble getting cd autoplay to work. I think i've got dbus up and running, and enabled all options in mythfrontend to have audio cds autoplay but it doesn't seem to work... Any tips? |
| [16:54:24] | antgel_: | tonsofpcs: could be. gone from debian squeeze to wheezy. much rather debug that than a backend crashing. i've never had much luck with myth packages |
| [16:57:07] | wagnerrp: | if the device nodes are there, your kernel modules are (probably) fine |
| [16:57:15] | wagnerrp: | sounds more like it's just permissions issues |
| [16:59:42] | antgel_: | wagnerrp: bang on. i have /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 – 660 – root:video. i guess i have to add my mythtv user to the video group |
| [16:59:58] | wagnerrp: | that's often done automatically by packages |
| [17:00:14] | wagnerrp: | i guess the debian packages aren't that complex |
| [17:00:58] | antgel_: | wagnerrp: i'm not using packages any more – they segfaulted |
| [17:01:01] | tonsofpcs: | wagnerrp: any idea about recordings that show up as nothing? thoughts on things to check? |
| [17:01:13] | wagnerrp: | i know, but you had them installed at one point |
| [17:01:28] | antgel_: | wagnerrp: yep, then i deleted the users etc |
| [17:01:29] | wagnerrp: | it's unlikely those packages would have removed the mythtv user from the video group when you uninstalled them |
| [17:01:35] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [17:02:23] | antgel_: | so i'm on the home straight. need to get used to this mythlogserver. aiui it is meant to log to syslog, but syslog is quiet on the subject |
| [17:03:15] | antgel_: | ah, it runs with --loglevel info. i'll change that to debug and see if that helps |
| [17:03:50] | wagnerrp: | you _can_ log to syslog, you don't have to |
| [17:04:05] | wagnerrp: | it's actually easier from a debugging standpoint to use --logpath rather than --syslog |
| [17:04:19] | wagnerrp: | with --logpath, each application instance gets its own new file |
| [17:04:29] | wagnerrp: | so there's no difficulty from overlapping logs |
| [17:05:30] | antgel_: | wagnerrp: to be honest i'm having problems finding the docs for the new logging framework. i can't even see how mythlogserver starts. what's the simple way to get all logs in /var/log/mythtv as i used to have? |
| [17:05:39] | antgel_: | (/var/log/mythtv/*.log) |
| [17:06:06] | wagnerrp: | mythtv starts it automatically |
| [17:06:10] | wagnerrp: | you do not need to start it |
| [17:06:29] | wagnerrp: | the easiest way to get everything to log to /var/log/mythtv/ is to use '--logpath /var/log/mythtv/' |
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| [17:16:08] | bill6502: | antgel: There's also: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlogserver and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Posting_Logs |
| [17:16:13] | antgel_: | wagnerrp: and where are the mythlogserver command line options actually set if "mythtv starts it" |
| [17:16:19] | antgel_: | bill6502: thanks wil lcheck out |
| [17:19:52] | wagnerrp: | antgel_: they are defined in the communication packets mythtv sends to it |
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| [17:28:15] | antgel_: | wagnerrp: so, if i tell it to start mythbackend with --logpath /var/log/mythtv/, mythlogserver automagically does the right thing? |
| [17:28:24] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [17:28:43] | wagnerrp: | and if you start mythfrontend with different parameters, mythlogserver still does the right thing |
| [17:28:48] | wagnerrp: | (file permissions allowing) |
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| [18:51:08] | uffe_: | can someone confirm that autoplay audio CD's are no longer working in mythtv 0.26? |
| [18:56:13] | tonsofpcs: | hmm, a show from this morning also has the same issue — recorded and shown as "B" (no number) in mythweb... |
| [18:58:58] | tonsofpcs: | and the files don't exist in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings |
| [19:03:41] | sphery: | tonsofpcs: shown as B means there's no file |
| [19:03:43] | sphery: | B = bytes |
| [19:04:14] | tonsofpcs: | right |
| [19:04:30] | sphery: | as in it's not 1.5GB, it's not 650MB, it's not 999kB, so it must be some number of bytes, so I'll use the abbreviation B |
| [19:04:43] | tonsofpcs: | also, I'm seeing that the recording of BlueBloods lastt night has a "Started recording" line in the log, these that don't exist don't have that line... |
| [19:04:55] | sphery: | if there's no file, mythtv got nothing from your tuner to write for that file |
| [19:04:58] | tonsofpcs: | sphery: I'm trying to figure out why they don't exist... |
| [19:05:02] | sphery: | (assuming mythtv didn't report any errors) |
| [19:05:18] | sphery: | got nothing from your tuner meaning no data--and, more importantly, no errors |
| [19:05:29] | sphery: | so MythTV assumed all worked since the tuner said so |
| [19:05:38] | sphery: | so check your system logs for tuner issues |
| [19:05:42] | sphery: | dmesg and such |
| [19:05:49] | tonsofpcs: | I'm noticing that Letterman doesn't have a similar line .... and it did record. |
| [19:06:09] | tonsofpcs: | (it has a 'Finished' line) |
| [19:06:42] | sphery: | uffe_: I don't know mythmusic, but from what I understand, you have to create a playlist (and there's an easy way to create a playlist for a CD, but I don't know that, either) |
| [19:07:17] | sphery: | uffe_: the change is by design, though, and not a bug (so it's not really a "no longer working" as much as a "works differently from how it used to") |
| [19:07:42] | tonsofpcs: | sphery: tuner is a HDHomeRun Dual |
| [19:10:56] | uffe_: | sphery: Playing a CD is possible (quick playlist->From CD), but it should be possible to have an autostart playback upon insertion of an audio CD. Ie when mythmusic isn't running |
| [19:12:10] | tonsofpcs: | sphery: I don't know why I wouldn't have gotten anything fr the whole duration of two hours last night and one half hour this morning... |
| [19:12:37] | uffe_: | i browsed the code a bit and found some interesting commented out code... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . sic/main.cpp |
| [19:15:19] | tonsofpcs: | trying to tune now "You should have a channel lock by now".... |
| [19:16:11] | tonsofpcs: | hmmm.... seems they're broadcasting data with no content? |
| [19:17:13] | tonsofpcs: | or not... *pokes around further* |
| [19:17:41] | tonsofpcs: | network rate from all channels is showing <1Mbps using hdhr config gui |
| [19:17:53] | tonsofpcs: | oh, filter is set to 0 |
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| [19:20:30] | tonsofpcs: | hmm, mmaybe not... |
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| [19:24:41] | tonsofpcs: | it sees 19.394080... |
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| [19:26:48] | tonsofpcs: | if I manually set program stream and such, I get it viavlc... looks like they may have lost their PSIP generator though |
| [19:29:54] | tonsofpcs: | anyone have ts analysis tools that can check real quick why mythtv might not be able to 'tune' this but the hdhr itself can and I can decode it with vlc? |
| [19:34:44] | tonsofpcs: | definitely seems like a myth problem... |
| [19:35:40] | tonsofpcs: | how does mythtv 'tune' a channel with hdhr? does it remember PIDs from scan and pid filter? does it grab a TS and look at PSIP and then pid filter? does it remember a program number and program filter? |
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| [20:36:50] | justinh: | pfft. people say mythtv is hard. they never had to set up SMTP authentication so the likes of hotmail trust the source |
| [20:39:56] | sheppard: | hahaha hotmail |
| [20:40:00] | sheppard: | there's your first problem |
| [20:40:57] | sheppard: | also, sure you don't have to route it through your ISPs smtp servers? |
| [20:43:05] | justinh: | donig everything myself, for better or worse |
| [20:43:32] | justinh: | didn't see the harm other than a learning curve. Oof, how wrong I was |
| [20:44:19] | justinh: | I think part of the non-delivery issue is sending email with a from of domain X when my actual domain is Y |
| [20:45:56] | justinh: | my aim is to try & get emails delivered first time. My own tests to hotmail always get through now because I found the 1st test mail in the spam folder & said it wasn't spam |
| [20:46:27] | justinh: | mind, we all know how wrong the big email providers get it on a regular basis. I'm not sure SPF, DKIM et al are worth the effort |
| [20:46:50] | justinh: | it's not even as if any of this *stops* any spam at all is it? |
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| [20:53:31] | sheppard: | they are usually used to weigh the chances of it being spam |
| [20:53:45] | sheppard: | but spf/dkim are more authentication methods |
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| [21:56:44] | justinh: | whew. dkim wasn't as hard to setup as I thought |
| [21:57:03] | justinh: | I'm only bothered about signing outgoing emails with it |
| [21:59:10] | AndyCap: | justinh: heh, it's one thing to have a working mailserver, another entirely to not have hotmail, yahoo and gmail throw it away |
| [21:59:49] | AndyCap: | justinh: not to mention when you send mail to retarded monkeys who thinks the report as spam button means I don't want to pay this bill or whatever |
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| [22:02:23] | justinh: | yeah well... |
| [22:03:28] | justinh: | gmail seems to be better about neutral auth stuff. I just wish hotmail, outlook, aol & yahoo would die & go to hell |
| [22:04:14] | justinh: | also, better spam than not delivered at all ;-) |
| [22:06:50] | AndyCap: | justinh: the problem is that they will drag your mailservers name into the mud when they do that |
| [22:20:48] | justinh: | yeah but there's not much can be done when folk do that sort of stunt |
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| [23:19:44] | monkpet69: | I want to go the Frys and pickup a tiny quiet machine to run mythfrontend on, any recommendations? |
| [23:20:08] | wagnerrp: | mini-itx board, intel chip, intel graphics |
| [23:21:45] | monkpet69: | wagnerrp: I see a bunch of shuttles on their website. |
| [23:22:23] | wagnerrp: | mine is basically silent... except for the power supply |
| [23:22:30] | wagnerrp: | i need to figure out how to tone that power supply down |
| [23:23:19] | monkpet69: | I also see zotac. |
| [23:23:26] | jst_: | monkpet69: do they have acer revos? |
| [23:23:56] | wagnerrp: | those are only worth considering if you don't mind restricting yourself to hardware decoding |
| [23:24:29] | jst_: | my acer revo has an atom processor and nvidia ion chipset. i love it. |
| [23:27:42] | monkpet69: | what about digital audio out and all that stuff, is it typical these days? |
| [23:27:52] | monkpet69: | My last computer I bought was 5 years back. |
| [23:28:04] | wagnerrp: | running LPCM over HDMI on mine |
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| [23:29:26] | monkpet69: | Lol #HarBowl! |
| [23:29:31] | monkpet69: | tomorrow.. |
| [23:29:36] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [23:29:46] | monkpet69: | Superbowl |
| [23:29:56] | wagnerrp: | harbowl? |
| [23:29:58] | monkpet69: | 49ers vs Ravens American football. |
| [23:30:08] | wagnerrp: | i don't get it... |
| [23:30:10] | monkpet69: | the couch from each team are brothers! |
| [23:30:14] | monkpet69: | coach. |
| [23:30:18] | wagnerrp: | something to do with their shared last name? |
| [23:30:25] | wagnerrp: | i don't recall what that is |
| [23:30:26] | monkpet69: | Jim & John Harbaugh |
| [23:30:29] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [23:33:39] | monkpet69: | I was pretty sastified with my mac mini frontend running ubuntu probably a few years old now (intel mac mini). However, the macs are overpriced for just running a myth frontend. |
| [23:36:22] | monkpet69: | oh yeah, the raspberrypi is garbage, worthless. |
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| [23:36:44] | monkpet69: | can't go anything on it, xbmc is worthless on it. |
| [23:37:23] | monkpet69: | can't do anything on it, I meant. |
| [23:38:09] | jst_: | wow, didn't realize mac minis were $600 and up |
| [23:38:14] | jst_: | apple is such a ridiculous company |
| [23:38:23] | monkpet69: | yup, apple-tax |
| [23:44:09] | monkpet69: | jst_: your acer revo does HD playback? |
| [23:50:15] | wagnerrp: | jst_: don't compare a mac mini to a PC, because it's not... compare it to a comparable laptop |
| [23:50:44] | wagnerrp: | because that's what it is, a laptop with all low-power mobile parts, lacking a monitor |
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