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Friday, February 1st, 2013, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:01] justinh: all wifi?
[00:00:05] Bray90820: it's a streaming box connected to the router
[00:00:12] Bray90820: with ethernet
[00:00:16] justinh: WIRES
[00:00:42] justinh: in the nicest way possible I'm just gonna say my patience is fried. I'm outta here
[00:01:49] Bray90820: justinh did i do anything wrong
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[00:03:41] Korny: Bray90820, have you had a failed recording since?
[00:03:45] Korny: last night that is
[00:04:02] Bray90820: since the first time i tried to setup a recording
[00:04:07] Bray90820: like 3 weeks ago
[00:04:32] Bray90820: but its onlu some of them
[00:04:36] Bray90820: only
[00:04:38] Korny: Since last night....
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[00:04:56] Korny: when I told you to come back when you had logs to show from your hdhomerun
[00:04:57] Bray90820: no
[00:05:00] voyo: hi guys, I have problem with mythtv not updating EIT data for some channels. useonairguide is set for them , also its set for the input. other channels works ok , EIT is fine. In logs I can only see "TVRecEvent eitscanner.cpp:210 (StartPassiveScan) EITScanner (1): Started passive scan." when switching to this channel. nothing more related to EIT in logs. my baskend is running with "--verbose database,general,eit,dvbcam,media,cha
[00:05:00] voyo: nscan,channel,idle" . Any hints how to debug this further ?
[00:05:06] Bray90820: oh yes
[00:05:15] Korny: That show a failed recording
[00:05:26] Bray90820: i did not get a failed recording since then
[00:05:37] Bray90820: but i did get a completed one
[00:06:52] Bray90820: i cant seem to fore it to give me a bad recording
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[00:08:28] Bray90820: one might fail in an hour but idk
[00:08:47] Korny: Why not wait and come back when you have the logs showing a failed recording, both from mythtv and your hdhr prime, asking over and over again is not going to get you any new answers there's no information go from with the current logs you have
[00:09:25] Bray90820: yea true
[00:09:34] Bray90820: but it might be like 5–7 days
[00:10:24] Bray90820: i will ask one final thing
[00:10:26] Bray90820: 20130131–23:25:18 CableCARD: Tuner0: vchannel 2 (585MHz-5) access = unspecified
[00:10:27] Bray90820: is that ok
[00:10:44] Bray90820: that's from my HDHR logs
[00:10:58] Korny: Mine does that once in a while, I'd have to check but did the channel work?
[00:11:20] Bray90820: the recording was successful
[00:11:42] Korny: Then I wouldn't worry about it
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[00:12:25] Bray90820: ok
[00:12:34] Bray90820: i'll just wait then
[00:20:45] mcmoyer: nevermind my question, I did a bone head thing….I didn't go back and rerun mythtv-setup and change the ip of the master backend.
[00:21:16] Korny: We all have those moments
[00:21:37] mcmoyer: just wish I would have realized it a night or two ago ;)
[00:22:52] Bray90820: korny i think i just figured it out
[00:23:29] Bray90820: am i right that you can only have 1 recording at a time on a singel tuner
[00:23:33] Bray90820: with a cable card
[00:23:56] Korny: yes
[00:23:57] Korny: you should have 3
[00:23:57] Korny: total but they should be 3 seperate tuners
[00:24:10] Bray90820: yea
[00:24:24] Korny: do you have 1 but saying it has 3?
[00:24:30] Bray90820: that now makes sense
[00:24:52] Bray90820: in mythtv the recordings were set to 2 from each tuner
[00:25:20] Korny: ahh yeah that should be 1
[00:25:28] Korny: HDHR's can be set to 2
[00:25:41] Bray90820: and now that i think about it the recordings that failed were at times when i had 2 things to record
[00:25:53] Bray90820: HDHR can be 2?
[00:26:12] Korny: hdhr primes can have 1
[00:26:21] Korny: HDHR is an over the air tuner
[00:26:40] Bray90820: i have an HDHR prime
[00:26:47] Bray90820: so i would have to set it to 1 right
[00:27:35] Korny: yes
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[00:28:13] Bray90820: hum
[00:28:17] Bray90820: that might be my issue
[00:28:24] Bray90820: i am going to do some testing ans get back to you
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[00:44:22] jm|laptop: hello :)
[00:44:56] jm|laptop: I have a schedule that has set a recording as "This episode will be recorded at an earlier time instead." and yet there is no such other recording in upcoming recordings
[00:45:00] jm|laptop: how might that happen?
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[00:46:29] sphery: bill6502: I think either way is fine... you can leave it in as part of changes, but the Theme Changes page would have more direct "themer-specific" information--such as example changes/code/...
[00:46:41] sphery: that way, people can check both
[00:47:39] sphery: I'm imagining the Theme Changes page linking to the commit, the same as Release Notes, but adding actual documentation (either provided by the dev or any themers who want to add comments/notes/examples...)
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[01:51:55] jesse`: Hey, guys.
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[01:53:51] jesse`: I've got a problem with my channel lineup. Directv moved NBCSN from channel 603 to 220. I went to SchedulesDirect and made sure that 220 was in my lineup, I deleted 603 via mythtv-setup and I ran mythfilldatabase with all the relevant flags I saw, but I can't get 220 to show up in the line-up in myth.
[01:54:34] jesse`: I ran mythfilldatabase with various combinations of --do-channel-updates, --do-not-filter-new-channels and --only-update-channels
[01:54:34] jesse`:
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[02:05:35] wagnerrp: sphery: looks like just shoving some bunny ears up on the outer wall of my house was good enough to clean up CBS
[02:05:45] wagnerrp: even though it's about 40' of antenna line before it hits the amp
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[02:09:03] wagnerrp: although i do still want to put a better antenna back in there
[02:09:14] Korny: Get a real antenna
[02:09:17] Korny: db 40 or something
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[02:09:35] Korny: or is it db 4 I forget
[02:09:59] wagnerrp: DB-4... it's no better than cheap bunny ears for VHF content
[02:10:09] wagnerrp: need something with longer pickups
[02:10:26] Korny: I'm not even sure we have VHF here anymore
[02:10:39] wagnerrp: i've only got one station (CBS)
[02:10:57] Korny: I have a db-2 in my closet, but i'm 3 miles away from our towers
[02:11:16] wagnerrp: i'm 4–8 from all of mine, but i'm down in a bit of a hole
[02:11:18] wagnerrp: no LOS
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[02:11:50] Korny: Hmmmm deleteing 4 million smallf iles takes a while it seems
[02:18:14] wagnerrp: Korny: i actually have a home-built DB-4, but being too small (along with generally poor construction) plague it as well
[02:19:35] jesse`: Anyone have an answer to my question about mythfilldatabase?
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[02:21:45] ertyu_: lucky you, I've tried several antennas and I can't anything that will work 100% reliably from my apartment
[02:23:34] wagnerrp: too much multipath
[02:24:30] ertyu_: yep, I have no line of sight to half of them, so I think the strongest reception I get is off a reflection
[02:24:57] ertyu_: half being 2 of 4 :)
[02:25:48] ertyu_: there are 2 more, but they are too far away to receive
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[02:48:40] sphery: wagnerrp: nice--always good to be able to improve the signal
[02:48:55] sphery: hard to do sometimes, so glad yours worked with a quick fix
[02:50:15] sphery: jesse`: generally when a channel is moved, you move it, too, rather than delete it and hope mythfilldatabase can put it back
[02:50:28] sphery: jesse`: did the old channel come back for you?
[02:51:50] sphery: if so, go to mythtv-setup's Channel Editor, then find the channel with the old information, hit enter to edit it, then change the channel number to whatever you want and on the second screen, change the frequency ID to the value you need to send to your STB to tune it
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[02:58:38] jesse`: sphery: Oh. I didn't do that right, then.
[02:58:52] jesse`: sphery: The channel seems to be gone.
[02:58:58] sphery: jesse`: important thing, now, is to figure out what channels you have
[02:59:06] sphery: it's not in the new place and not in the old place?
[02:59:18] sphery: you're looking in the channel editor, right?
[02:59:23] jesse`: sphery: Nope. Well, let me check real quick...
[03:00:12] sphery: jesse`: also, did you delete 603 from schedules direct (assuming it's still there)?
[03:00:32] jesse`: I'm actually using mysql to check.
[03:00:54] jesse`: Well, I'll be darned. It did come back.
[03:01:02] sphery: so it's back in the old spot?
[03:01:07] jesse`: Yep.
[03:01:18] sphery: ok, in the channel editor just edit it
[03:01:31] sphery: change channel number (if desired--that's for you), and on 2nd screen change freq id
[03:01:35] jesse`: Ok, I'll try that a little later. Gotta run now...
[03:01:37] sphery: seems it would be 220, now
[03:01:46] jesse`: Will do. Thanks, Sphery! That's a big help.
[03:02:02] sphery: also, make sure you have 220 on your schedules direct lineup and you don't have 603
[03:02:07] sphery: (on schedules direct)
[03:02:24] jesse`: 603 isn't on their lineup anymore, so no issues there.
[03:02:36] sphery: and, to be extra sure, check the XMLTV ID on schedules direct for channel 220 and make sure it's the same
[03:02:54] jesse`: OK.
[03:03:02] sphery: once you've edited the channel with the new channel number and frequency ID--and verified the XMLTV ID--you'll want to get data for it
[03:03:12] sphery: since you deleted the data when you deleted the channel, you have none for it
[03:03:20] sphery: so you'll need to do: mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all
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[03:03:31] sphery: that will pull all 14 days of data in one simple pull
[03:03:38] sphery: see how long it takes
[03:03:54] sphery: if it's not too long, you should probably always use --dd-grab-all
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[03:04:36] sphery: jesse`: see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/449426#449426 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 49416#449416 for details about --dd-grab-all
[03:04:49] sphery: if it works for you, it's better for you /and/ for Schedules Direct/TMS if you use it
[03:05:04] sphery: (better for you because you'll always have the most-up-to-date listings data)
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[03:44:21] Bray90820: korny are you around
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[03:46:32] Bray90820: so can anyone tell me why all my recordings are broken
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[03:51:03] Bray90820: they skip terribly
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[04:00:56] FusterCluck: quick question – I'm about to tackle a mythbuntu install and I'm wondering if I'm best to start with 12.04.1 and update or start fresh with 12.10
[04:01:17] Korny: I would go LTS but thats just what I did
[04:01:26] Korny: I believe mythbuntu also recommends it
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[04:02:55] Bray90820: Korny i have more logs for you
[04:03:39] Korny: pastebin em and post em in channel
[04:04:43] Bray90820: nevermind
[04:04:50] Bray90820: i don't have them
[04:05:36] Bray90820: from what it looked like is a recording didn't finish but i realized another one started
[04:05:52] Bray90820: but i do have more information for you
[04:06:06] Bray90820: the recordings that did finish skip horribly
[04:06:50] Korny: Have you tried playing them in another player?
[04:07:01] Korny: How slow/fast is your computer
[04:07:49] Bray90820: i have 6gb ddr3 ram 8 core xeon processors i have enough power to play them
[04:07:59] Bray90820: i tried playing them in vlc
[04:10:52] Bray90820: well i tried moving one off of my recording drive and it played fine
[04:14:50] Bray90820: well it looks like they only skip if a recording is active
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[04:19:20] Bray90820: do you want any logs
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[04:19:20] Bray90820: korny would any logs be needed at this time
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[04:21:30] Korny: so it only skips in mythtv?
[04:21:46] Korny: What have you setup for your video?
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[04:23:11] Bray90820: no
[04:23:31] Bray90820: videos only skip when there in my cording directory and when a recording is active
[04:23:37] Bray90820: and i only tried vlc to play them back
[04:23:56] Bray90820: i have a samba share as the directory for my videos
[04:24:28] Korny: thats not what I meant on your front end have you setup your video prefrences
[04:26:09] Bray90820: do you mean the recording rules
[04:27:27] Korny: no
[04:27:32] Korny: the display options
[04:28:14] Bray90820: ok
[04:28:59] FusterCluck: Korny – you'd warned me about nab mythtv messing with other db's. what's the concern ?
[04:29:56] Bray90820: korny you do realize i am not using mythtv frontend to playback my recordings right
[04:30:39] wagnerrp: if you're not using mythfrontend, then how could mythfrontend possibly be responsible for skipping during playback?
[04:31:16] Korny: FusterCluck, it doesn't mess the the DB at all
[04:31:22] Korny: I said mythweb :P
[04:32:15] tgm4883: Bray90820, sounds like your recording drive is slow/bad
[04:37:29] Timrit: i am getting 'This version of mythTV requires an updated database. (schema is 8 versions behind) Please run mythtv-setup or mythbackend to update your database. backend is mythbuntu and frontend is archlinux. any way to make the backend more current?
[04:38:22] Bray90820: hum
[04:38:26] Bray90820: brb
[04:38:30] ** Bray90820 is afk **
[04:39:05] [R]: Timrit: you have the run the same version
[04:39:14] [R]: Timrit: if its not the switch dists or compile it yourself
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[05:07:44] Timrit: [R]: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos contains the info to pull mythbuntu to current 0.26/fixes. i now am updated. now just to fix ringbuf error. :(
[05:09:00] Timrit: ^^ on remote frontend.
[05:10:11] Timrit: what could be causing this: RingBuf(myth://192.168.1.112:6543/1003_20130201050834.mpg): Waited 0.5 seconds for data to become available... 0 < 32768
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[05:10:34] [R]: the data not being avaialble when it needs to be
[05:11:10] Timrit: ok. data is stored on separate drive from os. what can i check to see what is hold it up?
[05:11:36] Korny: hmmm I've never had streaming issues from my backend and I abuse it :(
[05:12:00] Korny: Did your drive spin down?
[05:12:08] Timrit: nope.
[05:12:33] Timrit: i was just watching livetv on backend a minute ago
[05:19:43] Bray90820: tgm4883 you said my drive was slow/bad
[05:20:00] Bray90820: could it also be that mythtv is using tones of resources to record
[05:22:28] Bray90820: like more then it should
[05:27:22] Bray90820: korny about my drive being slow/bad could it be that mythtv is using a lot of resources for recording
[05:27:26] Bray90820: like more then it should
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[05:58:55] wagnerrp: Bray90820: no. if that were the problem, mythtv would be complaining that it flush its recording cache in a reasonable amount of time
[05:59:12] Bray90820: hum
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[05:59:21] wagnerrp: and would continue to periodically warn until the cache grew too large, and mythtv simply discarded any further data, scrapping the recording
[05:59:29] Bray90820: i'm just so tired of all this mythtv crap
[06:00:05] Korny: Then delete it
[06:00:38] Korny: I'd look into windows media center if I were you, then you could get all your cable channels
[06:01:00] Bray90820: well i can get them all right now
[06:01:05] Bray90820: just things wont record
[06:02:36] Bray90820: and it's really P***ing me off
[06:04:58] Bray90820: do you think reinstalling my os would fix the problems
[06:05:32] wagnerrp: unlikely
[06:05:58] Bray90820: ugh
[06:06:20] Bray90820: i just want a solution to this once and for all
[06:07:38] Bray90820: maybe it's that i have multipal backends running
[06:07:49] Bray90820: is there a way to check to see if i do
[06:07:55] wagnerrp: 'ps'
[06:08:19] Bray90820: so what code would i type in
[06:08:46] wagnerrp: ps ax | grep mythbackend
[06:09:00] Korny: how do you get multiple backends running?
[06:09:16] ** Korny hasn't manually started his backend in over a year **
[06:09:26] wagnerrp: skill
[06:09:43] Bray90820: i don't know but i seem to remember they were running a few days ago when someone told me to check
[06:09:52] wagnerrp: normally, the backend will fail to listen on the proscribed address and port, and terminate itself
[06:10:06] wagnerrp: you cannot run multiple instances of the backend
[06:10:22] wagnerrp: unless you configure them to use different profiles with different ports
[06:10:43] wagnerrp: and that's not something you can accidentally accomplish
[06:11:18] Bray90820: i think i did somehow
[06:11:19] Bray90820: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=bJNGD7iQ
[06:11:20] ** Korny wishes there was a way to go through his 1200 movies and set parent ratings on em based on ratings **
[06:11:48] wagnerrp: you can manually do it through a database query, but that's about it
[06:12:07] Korny: I don't trust myself with sql enough ;/
[06:12:11] Bray90820: well what do my logs say
[06:13:00] wagnerrp: your ps output says you've somehow managed to do something very very bad
[06:13:11] Bray90820: yea
[06:13:17] Bray90820: is there any way i can fix it
[06:13:26] Korny: could he have messed up his startup scripts with all the reinstalling he was doing?
[06:13:26] wagnerrp: unknown
[06:13:49] Bray90820: so you don't know how i could fix it
[06:13:49] Korny: Actually Bray90820 I would just nuke the machine and start over
[06:14:01] Bray90820: reinstall the os?
[06:14:05] Korny: and use a walk through for mythbuntu, there are plenty of them
[06:14:07] Korny: yes
[06:14:38] Bray90820: well i now know how to setup mythtv i just don't know how to fix what i have
[06:15:01] Korny: so just reload the machine and install 0.26 on all your machines
[06:15:13] Bray90820: so i am just going to install stock ubuntu 12.04 lts
[06:15:14] Bray90820: LTS
[06:15:15] Korny: if you're using remote frontends
[06:15:24] Korny: Are you just using it for mythtv?
[06:15:34] Korny: if so just use the mythbuntu iso
[06:15:34] Bray90820: korny isn;t there a playback issue with 0.26
[06:15:46] wagnerrp: nope, playback works fine
[06:16:03] Bray90820: i am also using it for samba daapd ssh
[06:16:24] Bray90820: there was some problem with analog tuners i thought
[06:16:34] Korny: you don' thave a haupauge card
[06:16:49] Bray90820: this is true
[06:17:07] Bray90820: i am just making sure it will work ok after i reinstall ubuntu
[06:17:17] Bray90820: because i don't want this to happen again
[06:18:14] Bray90820: so 0.26 would be ok for me?
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[06:20:15] Bray90820: so korny you use an HDHR prime with 0.26?
[06:20:33] Korny: yes
[06:20:50] Bray90820: how does it work
[06:20:57] Korny: But I'm headed off to bed
[06:21:05] Bray90820: does it work ok?
[06:21:19] Korny: I haven't touched it since I set it up in august
[06:21:25] Bray90820: ok
[06:21:29] Bray90820: but anyways
[06:21:31] Bray90820: goodnight
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[06:48:02] Nick: On my frontend I randomly cant watch TV...
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[06:48:09] Guest51013: Keep getting Error opening jump program file.
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[06:48:59] [R]: solution: don't watch livetv
[06:49:06] Ghosty: Hardly a solution.
[06:49:11] [R]: it's a dvR
[06:49:13] [R]: not a dvP
[06:52:33] Ghosty: LiveTV works wonderfuly on my other frontend. This one worked for the longest time then just randomly stopped.
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[12:35:18] knightr: wagnerrp, sphery I'm sure skd5aner would agree, that's essentially what he was suggesting yesterday when I suggested that this info be posted on the -theming mailing list...I would suggest that this be done in addition (and not in replacement) of posting that info on the mailing list (and not necessarily by the person making the announcement...)
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[14:13:29] storrgie: I'm going to set up a mythv system today using a hdhomerun prime
[14:13:41] storrgie: is there any guides tailored to setting up with this device?
[14:13:54] storrgie: I'm curious about how to pull the guide from my service provider
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[15:01:10] wagnerrp: storrgie: you cannot pull guide data from your cable provider, as the manner in which they provide it is only accessible to their own cable boxes
[15:01:16] wagnerrp: you must use schedules direct
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[15:21:28] mcmoyer: are ATI cards still a bad idea in regards to mythTV? I just inherited a bunch of Dell Dimen 755's with ATI 2400 XT's in them and was thinking about swapping out my old machines.
[15:21:48] mcmoyer: My old machines all have Nvidia 6200's in them, but full height cards.
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[15:37:04] wagnerrp: ATI cards are still a bad idea with regards to linux
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[15:59:26] storrgie: I just got my hdhomerun device set up and called in
[15:59:28] storrgie: how can I test to see if it is even working
[15:59:48] wagnerrp: silicondust has a view application
[16:03:10] mcmoyer: the hdhomerun should be dead simple to set up in myth. just set up a new capture card, choose the hdhomerun option. It should auto-detect the cards in the ip address drop down
[16:03:46] mcmoyer: I just added a second hdhomerun this week and that's about all the effort it took
[16:07:13] wagnerrp: most of the effort is getting the cablecard paired and recognized
[16:07:21] skd5aner: knightr: yea, I agree that the -theming mailing list should continue to be used to announce changes – I was not suggesting to replace that, just suppliment it with a wiki page specifically designed to fully document theming/UI based changes so themers know exactly what change, and why, and how to use it
[16:07:33] skd5aner: ... additions, deletions, modifications, deprecations, etc
[16:08:00] skd5aner: ... optional things, mandatory things, etc
[16:09:10] skd5aner: storrgie: you missed earlier, but wagnerrp pointed out that you need to leverage schedules direct to pull guide data
[16:09:39] skd5aner: storrgie: but you can test with the apps that silicondust provides, but you have to do so on a windows machine. Otherise, just test within mythtv
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[16:10:31] storrgie: yeah ive got a windows machine here
[16:10:39] storrgie: it looks like it hasnt activated yet
[16:10:42] storrgie: the installers just left
[16:10:44] storrgie: and they called it in
[16:10:48] storrgie: it takes a little while?
[16:10:57] wagnerrp: you're not planning on running mythtv on that windows machine, are you?
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[16:34:24] storrgie: wagnerrp, no, I have a large central linux server (zfsonlinux and such)
[16:34:43] storrgie: what I'm trying to figure out now is why my card activation is still 'none'
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[16:52:35] storrgie: so this sounds less than ideal
[16:52:47] storrgie: with mythtv, how do I set up the scheduling... if I don't have a guide?
[16:53:24] wagnerrp: why don't you have guide data?
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[16:55:05] Pluribus: stoffel: Go here: http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ It does cost a little money but I find it reasonable ($25/year) for the guide data.
[16:55:32] Pluribus: They have a short demo of it if you want to make sure it meets your needs as well
[17:00:30] storrgie: does this work for all channels or is it only going to work for basic cable?
[17:00:52] sphery: FWIW, it's the best source of listings data in North America--and the only legal source of listings data in North America for MythTV, save EIT (in-broadcast guide data)--which is almost definitely garbage in North America, and almost definitely not going to be available on Cable, especially if you have to use the HDHR Prime
[17:00:59] sphery: all channels
[17:01:03] wagnerrp: chances are schedules direct has access to the same exact data you would be getting from your cable company
[17:01:13] wagnerrp: just about everyone licenses their guide data from Tribune
[17:01:38] sphery: it's the same data TiVo owners pay $15+/mo to get
[17:01:45] Pluribus: INCLUDING Schedules Direct.
[17:01:47] sphery: and it's the same data used by some cable-company DVRs
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[17:02:54] sphery: yeah, Schedules Direct just makes the data available to you--whereas your cable company likely encrypts it in a sideband that their STBs know how to access/are allowed to access
[17:03:39] sphery: Schedules Direct's $25/yr membership is the best money I spend each year
[17:03:52] sphery: and they actually help a lot of F/LOSS projects
[17:04:08] sphery: http://www.schedulesdirect.org/aboutus
[17:04:16] jst_: yeah, i couldn't live without schedulesdirect
[17:04:39] storrgie: do any of you have an hdhomerun?
[17:04:52] Pluribus: Agreed. Been with them since beginning.
[17:04:56] sphery: do you actually have an HDHomeRun, or is it an HDHR PRime
[17:04:58] storrgie: I'm on the phone with my cable provider because its not activating
[17:05:05] sphery: I'm guessing it's the Prime since you mentioned "activating"
[17:05:32] sphery: and though I don't have one/won't be any help, I'm suggesting you specifically say Prime so that people know you're trying to use CableCARD
[17:05:42] Pluribus: stoffel: I have a prime.
[17:05:46] sphery: (the non-Prime is the non-cablecard version)
[17:05:58] Pluribus: grr storrgie not stoffel
[17:06:49] storrgie: Pluribus, I think im having issues with my cablecard
[17:06:54] storrgie: I might go snag another one from the office
[17:06:57] storrgie: Its not activating
[17:07:00] drussell__: storrgie: Schedules Direct is well worth the $25/year, IMHO
[17:07:13] storrgie: drussell__, yeah i see that now
[17:07:18] Pluribus: storrgie: Couple of things possible that I have seen (depending on the cable provider) (and a bad / improperly provisioned CC is #1)
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[17:08:03] jst_: storrgie: which cable company?
[17:08:04] storrgie: this system is for my parents, who are coming from conventional set top boxes. I was hoping I could get the entire guide on their XBMC screen (we use openelec for all of our tvs) and that they could use XBMC for their recording management and scheduling
[17:08:07] storrgie: charter
[17:08:14] storrgie: they seem to be REALLY good about this stuff
[17:08:20] storrgie: I'm betting I need to go snag a new card physically
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[17:08:37] jst_: which company?
[17:08:45] storrgie: I had 5 technicians in my house this morning because the guys were all interested in mythtv/openelec/xbmc
[17:09:02] storrgie: jst, company name is charter http://charter.net/
[17:09:06] jst_: ohh
[17:09:18] jst_: i had issues with comcast
[17:09:22] jst_: they gave me 2 S-cards
[17:09:27] jst_: then 2 defective M-cards
[17:09:30] jst_: 5th time was the charm
[17:09:38] storrgie: what was 5th card?
[17:09:38] jst_: (i have an infinitv though, not a hd homerun)
[17:09:44] jst_: motorola M-card
[17:10:42] storrgie: hrm
[17:10:56] Pluribus: storrgie: Make sure you get an M-Card. M-Cards are multiple tuner capable...
[17:11:15] storrgie: well, I'm going to hop in the shower and go snag myself another card from these folks. I'll be back here momentarily. Thanks for that Pluribus I will make sure to get an M-Card (as the HDHRPrime is 3 tune)
[17:11:22] storrgie: i do have one question
[17:11:34] storrgie: is ANYONE managing their guide/recording through XBMC? (Eden PVR)?
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[17:11:49] tgm4883: justinh, I've been looking into the "restart bug" that you were talking about yesterday. I'm getting conflicting reports, mythbuntu devs think it's a mythtv bug as it can be reproduced without upstart
[17:13:04] Pluribus: storrgie: Sorry, I use MythTV for both front and backend. (Havent tried in years, but XBMC support for myth was glitchy then, cant speak to now)
[17:13:45] tgm4883: XBMC still uses libcmyth, which IMO is bad
[17:14:13] tgm4883: should use services API instead
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[17:18:39] Pluribus: I should start playing with it (the services API) Is there any "fairly" comprehensive docs on it (I will trudge through code if I need to, but docs are prefered. I want to get the current playing item from a front end... and put on my LED message board.
[17:20:23] Pluribus: I picked up 4 4' beta brights for a song many years ago. What to use them for something.
[17:21:10] tgm4883: Pluribus, you probably want http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Service#GetStatus
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[17:21:22] tgm4883: the wiki isn't comprehensive, you have to look at the wsdl for that
[17:21:55] tgm4883: eg http://ares:6544/Capture/wsdl
[17:22:02] tgm4883: where ares is my backend
[17:22:53] Pluribus: tgm4883: Actually, that is EXACTLY what I was looking for :-) Now lets see if I can scare the wife with a "floating holiday project" :-)
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[18:04:38] sphery: tgm4883: restart bug?
[18:05:32] wagnerrp: tgm4883: honestly, i've got no problem with 3rd party software using the internal protocol if they wish
[18:05:43] wagnerrp: that's whole whole reason i spent so much time documenting it
[18:05:47] sphery: as long as they keep up to date :)
[18:05:53] sphery: and don't fake it/do dangerous things
[18:06:07] wagnerrp: what i do have a problem with is libcmyth arbitrarily spoofing their version, without being properly maintained to handle the changed
[18:06:19] sphery: +1
[18:06:19] tgm4883: sphery, there is an issue with the backend not stopping when requested, causing multiple backends to be started by upstart
[18:06:41] wagnerrp: sphery: yeah, i need to -KILL my backend to get it to terminate
[18:06:53] sphery: besides, nothing is inherently better about the Services API, except it's new, so it's missing a long list of versions/version differences
[18:07:07] sphery: and some people think it will be properly versioned/made to be forwards compatible
[18:07:30] sphery: (though I don't wear rainbow-colored glasses, so I'm seeing the likely future differently)
[18:07:51] wagnerrp: or rather, you're seeing the likely future the same as the present
[18:08:05] sphery: tgm4883: ah, ok... that could well be a MythTV thing--just wondered
[18:08:15] sphery: wagnerrp: hehe, yeah, better said
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[18:08:47] sphery: the "standard protocol" argument, though, is annoying
[18:09:04] wagnerrp: the signal hooks are catching the termination and attempting to shut things down cleanly
[18:09:08] wagnerrp: upon which they get deadlocked
[18:09:11] sphery: nothing is standard about MythTV-specific SOAP/REST protocol
[18:09:28] sphery: the only thing standard is the use of XML instead of []:[]
[18:09:44] tgm4883: sphery, perhaps I completely misunderstand the reason for the services API then
[18:09:52] tgm4883: as to why anyone spent time developing it
[18:10:18] sphery: tgm4883: http://xkcd.com/927/ ?
[18:10:20] sphery: :)
[18:10:53] sphery: basically, with every new thing, the possible futures includes potentially brighter ones
[18:10:58] sphery: I may be a bit jaded, though
[18:11:08] sphery: I just know, however, that software changes
[18:11:41] sphery: and I, personally, couldn't care less whether a 0.24-fixes-timeframe 3rd-party client can work with MythTV 0.30
[18:11:56] sphery: and I know there will be some major changes in the future
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[18:13:45] tgm4883: sphery, perhaps I was just hoping they would be additions to the current services API, not changes
[18:14:01] tgm4883: sphery, I mean, why should GetFile ever change?
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[18:14:41] wagnerrp: the only advantage of the services api is that queries are versioned individually, and there is a wsdl to check syntax
[18:14:59] sphery: tgm4883: why should GET_FILE ever change?
[18:15:02] sphery: (but it did)
[18:15:17] wagnerrp: it means an intelligent application can determine on its own whether it knows how to interface with mythtv
[18:15:24] sphery: can
[18:15:26] sphery: if someone codes it
[18:15:33] sphery: part 1 = no problem
[18:15:39] sphery: part 2 is where we always have problems
[18:15:39] wagnerrp: as opposed to refusing to connect at all with a mismatch
[18:16:08] sphery: I just don't see anyone caring enough to get bogged down into /writing code to support forwards compatibility/
[18:16:20] sphery: possible for a small time
[18:16:40] sphery: but things change--and change significantly over time--and the more they change, the harder it is to be forwards compatible
[18:16:50] sphery: after all, look how much money MS spends trying to do it
[18:16:52] tgm4883: backwards compatible?
[18:17:04] sphery: and they /still/ give up after a few versions and say, "gotta buy the new Office 2013, now"
[18:17:10] sphery: no, forwards compatible
[18:17:21] sphery: backwards compatible = writing code for MythTV 0.27 that works with MythTV 0.24
[18:17:41] sphery: forwards compatible = writing code for MythTV 0.24 and it continuing to work with MythTV 0.25, 0.26, 0.27, ...
[18:17:56] sphery: most people ask for backwards compatibility, but are asking for the wrong thing
[18:18:18] tgm4883: sphery, even when you explain it, I still think that it's backwards compatible
[18:18:38] tgm4883: eg. mythtv 0.27 still has the same services as it did in 0.25, plus some more
[18:18:40] sphery: but, yeah, MS spends a fortune trying to keep some semblance of forward compatiblity available--i.e. making Windows 7 have an XP mode and such
[18:18:45] tgm4883: that seems backwards compatible
[18:19:11] wagnerrp: tgm4883: exactly, that's where the "intelligent client" comes in
[18:19:40] tgm4883: wagnerrp, perhaps I need to read up on how to make an intelligent client
[18:19:42] wagnerrp: where it supports limited functionality based off the commands that still exist in the format it expects from the wsdl
[18:19:54] tgm4883: wagnerrp, there doesn't seem to be a python 3 module to read/parse wsdl
[18:19:55] sphery: right, backwards compatible = new client that supports previous versions of mythtv
[18:20:14] sphery: forwards compatible = old client that just expects mythtv to support previous versions of protocols
[18:20:41] sphery: new client that supports previous versions of mythtv through knowing each protocol and speaking the proper protocol for the version of MythTV to which it connects
[18:20:53] sphery: i.e. users want MythTV to be forwards compatible
[18:21:02] tgm4883: sphery, correct, but I guess you could say it's both. Since from a mythtv perspective it would be backwards compatibility, and from a client perspective, it would be forwards compatibility
[18:21:12] sphery: for the sole reason that a) they want their old/legacy/not-supported 3rd-party clients to keep working
[18:21:31] sphery: and those 3rd-party developers want forwards compatibility so /they/ don't have to do the work to manage protocol changes
[18:21:45] tgm4883: you are expecting either clients to be forwards compatibility or for clients to keep up to date with every version, while I was hoping mythtv would be backwards compatibility with older versions of the services API
[18:21:59] sphery: if compatibility is a priority, making MythTV forwards compatible is the most-efficient approach (assuming more than one 3rd party client)
[18:22:17] sphery: I'm just saying that it's not a priority for me--and we'll see whether it's a priority for others
[18:22:21] sphery: i.e. it's about like Live TV
[18:22:35] sphery: everyone says we need it, and that "someone" needs to fix it
[18:22:38] tgm4883: sphery, where did GetFile change in the services API?
[18:22:39] sphery: but no one steps up to do it
[18:22:47] tgm4883: I don't say we need it :)
[18:22:53] sphery: hehe
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[18:23:00] sphery: ok, so you and I agree Live TV isn't needed :)
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[18:25:21] sphery: tgm4883: actually, GET_FILE probably doesn't exist--it's probably QUERY_FILETRANSFER--but if nothing else, I wouldn't be surprised if the block requests have changed from 2x32-bit position references to 1x64-bit, now that we can do proper 64-bit numbers with Qt
[18:25:45] sphery: but the point is, there's nothing different about a Services-API method and an internal protocol method
[18:26:03] sphery: so it's just a matter of someone--client or MythTV--having to write version-compatibility code
[18:26:09] sphery: and I just don't see it happening in MythTV
[18:26:29] sphery: (i.e. nothing different, meaning if it changes in internal protocol, it would change in services api)
[18:27:09] sphery: anyway, I'll admit I'm being very pessimistic and it's possible--if enough people step up to help--we could keep forwards compatibility in the MythTV Services API
[18:27:43] tgm4883: sphery, i'm talking about http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Content_Service#GetFile
[18:28:23] sphery: right
[18:28:42] sphery: and I don't know of any specific changes and don't know where it may be changed in the future
[18:28:46] sphery: but things change
[18:29:09] sphery: and whatever the internal protocol uses as an equivalent, I'm sure it's changed over the years
[18:29:36] sphery: which is why the internal protocol is seen as a problem--because it's been here enough years to change (as opposed to the new services api)
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[18:38:28] sphery: (basically it all comes down to: things change, and every time they do, someone (client or MythTV developer) has to write code to figure out and do the right thing--or just say the old version won't work
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[19:01:39] wagnerrp: sphery: what do you think is a reasonable limit for full file paths? 1024 characters?
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[19:05:48] Korny: my god the mythbuntu repos are SLOOOOWWWW
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[19:08:12] sphery: wagnerrp: seems reasonable to me, though some will likely complain
[19:09:00] sphery: with varchar, it shouldn't take up any more space to use larger--the only problem is you can only index on 1024 bytes of it (which is like 341 chars with our utf-8 schema)
[19:09:11] wagnerrp: right
[19:09:22] wagnerrp: although i don't expect this will need to be indexed
[19:09:39] sphery: cool
[19:09:50] sphery: it's best if we don't need to search on it
[19:10:00] sphery: might want to split the filename from the dirpath part, though
[19:10:10] wagnerrp: what for?
[19:10:14] sphery: (if there's a chance we may need to search on filename, for example)
[19:10:47] sphery: if not, no need
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[19:11:30] wagnerrp: i don't expect to ever need to search through the database
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[19:13:56] SteveGoodey: wagnerrp: Famous last words :-)
[19:15:12] wagnerrp: i mean the only time that might happen would be if a user wants to run a job on a specific filename
[19:15:23] wagnerrp: and running backwards from that filename to the recording/video that uses it
[19:15:55] wagnerrp: ideally, that should never happen
[19:16:14] wagnerrp: and if/when it does, i'm not too concerned if it takes a bit longer than it should
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[20:03:59] Matt: ok, this is driving my nutty
[20:04:33] Korny: up up down down left right left right select start
[20:04:35] Matt: just in the process of rebuilding my mythtv box after various bits of it decided to start acting up
[20:05:24] Matt: so I did a clean install on a new box, backed up the DB from the old box, restored it on the new one, fired everything up, reconfigured the inputs (for the new capture card), setup the irblaster
[20:06:01] Matt: and whenever I go to change a channel, it sends the channel change for the right channel, then it sends another immediately afterwards for channel 2
[20:06:31] Matt: and I can't for the life of me work out where its getting that config from
[20:08:26] tgm4883: Matt, are you changing the channel on an external cable box, or is it the tv tuner that is tuning the channel?
[20:08:33] tgm4883: eg. do you have a channel change script you are using
[20:08:33] Matt: external cable box
[20:08:41] Matt: and yes, there's a channel change script
[20:08:52] tgm4883: Matt, if you use the channel change script from the cmd line, does it work properly?
[20:08:58] Matt: yup
[20:09:14] Matt: I added some logging to it, and it's being invoked with the right channel, then again with channel 2
[20:09:23] tgm4883: weird
[20:09:28] Matt: exactly
[20:09:34] Matt: like I said – driving me nuts
[20:10:08] Matt: it'd be fine if I wanted to record channel 2... :)
[20:10:12] Matt: but most of the time I don't
[20:10:34] jams: by any chance do you have the tuner defined to always start on channel 2?
[20:11:02] jams: in mythtv
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[20:13:55] Matt: nup
[20:14:00] Matt: that's what I thought at first
[20:15:06] Matt: hrm, ok, so it's stopped doing that now
[20:15:21] Matt: now I'm just getting random problems with the irblaster
[20:15:26] ** Matt goes to troubleshoot that **
[20:16:33] Matt: ?!
[20:17:17] Matt: ok, now it's sending 43 after every channel change
[20:17:22] ** Matt is confused **
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[20:18:10] Korny: YOu don't have a neighbor who's mad at you do you?
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[20:21:10] Matt: lol
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[20:53:27] Matt: ok, it's killing the channel change script
[20:54:19] Matt: and then resetting the channel to the value of "startchan" I think
[20:56:02] dijonyummy: is there an easy way to automatically cut out commercials, or is it too risky. its a pain to manually cut out commercials, when i re-encode to h264 med quality to save space
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[20:57:26] Quantum7: mythtv-setup will not allow me to change the ipv4 address to anything but 127.0.0.1
[20:58:52] Quantum7: Master Backend IP address I can set fine.
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[21:00:37] Quantum7: But Local Backend, nope.
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[21:02:52] Quantum7: Maybe it's busted.
[21:06:05] tgm4883: Quantum7, like it won't let you change it, or you change it and then it doesn't work or brings you back to that screen?
[21:06:28] Quantum7: I click it and only get a pulldown. I cannot change the number.
[21:07:05] tgm4883: what version?
[21:07:17] Quantum7: 0.27 git, about a week ago.
[21:07:26] tgm4883: hmm, could be busted I guess
[21:07:52] Quantum7: K. So that is where its listening address is set?
[21:08:10] Quantum7: Not on Master Backend?
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[21:09:22] tgm4883: Quantum7, I'm not using 0.27, so IDK
[21:09:44] Quantum7: I think it is.
[21:10:05] Quantum7: Oh man, everything else seems fine except commercial skip.
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[22:50:22] Tobbe5178: can someone explain why when the backend runs mythfilldatabase it forgets the .mythtv/ part of the path when loading the xmltv config file?
[22:50:53] Tobbe5178: so it ends up trying to load something like /home/user/DVB.xmltv instead of /home/user/.mythtv/DVB.xmltv
[22:51:04] Tobbe5178: and then fails
[22:54:18] Tobbe5178: never mind
[22:54:40] Tobbe5178: systemd script was setting env variable MYTHCONFDIR
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[23:33:24] Quantum7: Still cannot assign any IP to the backend except 127.0.0.1.
[23:34:13] Quantum7: For some reason they removed the ability to enter the IP by hand. But the pulldown is not recognizing the IPs on my system.
[23:35:02] Quantum7: Running mythtv-setup it says, "Skipping address: 192.168.1.3". Thank you. Very helpful.
[23:38:15] tgm4883: Quantum7, out of curiosity, if mysql listening on 192.168.1.3 or only 127.0.0.1?
[23:39:01] Quantum7: 127
[23:39:13] tgm4883: Quantum7, that might be the issue then
[23:39:20] Quantum7: Oh dear.
[23:42:18] Quantum7: OK set mysql to 192.168.1.3 and restarted. Confirmed it's listening there, but mythtv-setup still skips it.
[23:43:08] tgm4883: Quantum7, bummer, it was work a shot :/
[23:43:21] Quantum7: Thanks man.
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[23:44:02] Quantum7: Something about the autosensing of IPs is not working. It was changed from manual entry to pulldown last October.
[23:45:32] Quantum7: I am running mythtv-setup as my user.
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